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tomder55
Feb 16, 2025, 03:04 AM
Remember when streamlining the Federal Government and using the assistance of private individuals and companies to make it more efficient was the Democrats policy ?

This was way before we reached the urgency of tackling a staggeringly $36 trillion debt ;a $ 2 trillion annual deficit ;and interest payments on the debt approaching $1 trillion a year.

Flashback 1993 Bubba addresses the nation

Today I am taking what I hope and believe will be a historic step in reforming the Federal Government by announcing the formation of a national performance review.

Our goal is to make the entire Federal Government both less expensive and more efficient, and to change the culture of our national bureaucracy away from complacency and entitlement toward initiative and empowerment. We intend to redesign, to reinvent, to reinvigorate the entire National Government.


Working under the direction of the Vice President for the next 6 months, we'll conduct an intensive national review of every single Government agency and service. We'll enlist citizens and Government workers and leaders from the private sector in a search not only for ways to cut wasteful spending but also for ways to improve services to our citizens and to make our Government work better.


I'll ask every member of our Cabinet to assign their best people to this project, managers, auditors, and front-line workers as well. And to put the "M" back in the OMB, I've asked Phil Lader, who is to my far left, the new Deputy Director for Management at OMB and a person who has spent his life solving difficult and challenging management and people problems, to take the lead in making our Government work better, not only during this 6-month period but permanently for as long as I am President.


We will turn first to Federal employees for help. They know better than anyone else how to do their jobs if someone will simply ask them and reward them for wanting to do it better. We'll ask the public to help us improve services and cut waste by calling an 800 number or by writing to the Vice President, because no one deserves a bigger say in the services Government provides than Government's customers, the American people. We'll look for ways to streamline our own organizations to reduce unnecessary layers and to improve services to the better uses of technology by giving managers more flexibility and by giving front-line workers more decision making power. Just as we're trying to do that in the White House, we will try to do that throughout the National Government......................

Cutting spending will be a priority. But so is making the system work better for the people who work in Government and the people who pay the bills and are served by it. The truth is we can't achieve the savings we want simply by cutting funds. We must also use the remaining funds in a much wiser way. We'll challenge the basic assumptions of every program, asking does it work; does it provide quality service; does it encourage innovation and reward hard work? If the answer is no or if there's a better way to do it or if there's something that the Federal Government is doing it should simply stop doing, we'll try to make the changes needed.


Many good programs began for a good reason: to serve a national purpose or to give the states time to develop an institutional capacity to administer them. But times change and in many cases State and local governments are now better suited to handle these programs. The Federal Government simply can't do everything and there are many things the states or the private sector could do better....................

For too long the basic functioning of the Government has gone unexamined. We want to make improving the way Government does business a permanent part of how Government works, regardless of which party is in power.........

In short, it's time our Government adjusted to the real world, tightened its belt, managed its affairs in the context of an economy that is information based, rapidly changing, and puts a premium on speed and function and service, not rules and regulations.


Americans voted for a change last November. They want better schools and health care and better roads and more jobs, but they want us to do it all with a Government that works better on less money and is more responsive. The American people may not know specifically how to do it, although many of them have good particular ideas, but I'm confident our people are willing to try new ways and they want us to experiment. They want us to do things that have worked in other contexts now in the National Government, and that's what we are here to do today.

Remarks by President Clinton Announcing the Initiative to Streamline Government (https://govinfo.library.unt.edu/npr/library/speeches/030393.html)

tomder55
Feb 16, 2025, 05:50 AM
This is a 2024 GAO report on waste and fraud April of last year BEFORE Clueless Joe dropped out.


No area of the federal government is immune to fraud. We estimated that the federal government could lose between $233 billion and $521 billion annually to fraud.
Given the scope of this problem, a government-wide approach is required to address it.


Fraud Risk Management: 2018-2022 Data Show Federal Government Loses an Estimated $233 Billion to $521 Billion Annually to Fraud, Based on Various Risk Environments | U.S. GAO (https://www.gao.gov/products/gao-24-105833)

Given that it is mind numbing that the Dems are hysterical over attempts to address it.
They say Trump and Musk's efforts threaten democracy. What does national bankruptcy do to it ?

jlisenbe
Feb 19, 2025, 12:30 PM
The accomplishments of Musk and DOGE have been quite a mark on our federal government. To think that in several decades of deficit spending in which we have run up 36 trillion dollars of debt, our elected reps were so careless and exhibited so little interest in overseeing how money was spent is just disgusting. I think they should all agree to step down in two years and allow a new Congressional crop to take over. And certainly, most of the IG's should be replaced.

tomder55
Feb 20, 2025, 07:45 AM
The emperor once suggested a consolidation of agencies .



We live in a 21st century economy, but we’ve still got a government organized for the 20th century. Our economy has fundamentally changed -- as has the world -- but our government, our agencies, have not. The needs of our citizens have fundamentally changed but their government has not. Instead, it's often grown more complicated and sometimes more confusing.
Give you a few examples. There are five different entities dealing with housing. There are more than a dozen agencies dealing with food safety. My favorite example -- which I mentioned in last year’s State of the Union address -- as it turns out, the Interior Department is in charge of salmon in fresh water, but the Commerce Department handles them in saltwater. (Laughter.) .................

No business or nonprofit leader would allow this kind of duplication or unnecessary complexity in their operations. You wouldn’t do it when you’re thinking about your businesses. So why is it okay for our government? It’s not. It has to change........................

So today, I’m calling on Congress to reinstate the authority that past presidents have had to streamline and reform the Executive Branch. This is the same sort of authority that every business owner has to make sure that his or her company keeps pace with the times. And let me be clear: I will only use this authority for reforms that result in more efficiency, better service and a leaner government.


Remarks by the President on Government Reform | whitehouse.gov (https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/the-press-office/2012/01/13/remarks-president-government-reform)

So why didn't it happen ?

Well the emperor who threatened to use a phone and a pen to make laws (a legislative function) decided this time to defer to Congress.

They declined

The text of the bill below is as of Feb 17, 2012 (Introduced). The bill was not enacted into law.
Text of S. 2129 (112th): Reforming and Consolidating Government Act of 2012 (Introduced version) - GovTrack.us (https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/112/s2129/text/is)

jlisenbe
Feb 22, 2025, 07:10 AM
Tom, is my math right on this? The federal government now spends nearly 20 thousand dollars for every man, woman, and child in the country. If you have a family of four, the feds spend an equivalent of about 78,000 dollars a year for that family. That's just jaw-dropping. I know I was raised in Kemper County, but that is incredible to me. And bear in mind that much of it is borrowed money. The federal deficit last year amounted to about six thousand dollars for every one of us, and that was just for one year. Elon Musk can't do his work fast enough in my view.

tomder55
Feb 22, 2025, 08:03 AM
USAFACTS is telling me that the US spent in 2023 $18,400 per person in the US. But collected only $ 14,600 per person in 2024. About a 20% difference .

How much does the US federal government spend? | USAFacts (https://usafacts.org/answers/how-much-does-the-us-federal-government-spend/country/united-states/)

AI confirms the figure and said in 2024 the20% deficit was $1.8 trillion

Balancing the budget would still not address the debt .

jlisenbe
Feb 22, 2025, 08:12 AM
Balancing the budget would still not address the debt .Exactly correct. This is such a deep hole that the only hope, I would think, is to develop at least a modest surplus and then hope to watch twenty years of inflation make the debt at least a relatively less serious problem. But for all of that to happen, we will all need to grow up and start acting like adults.

Saw this post on facebook. The stupidity of it all is really alarming. He was commenting on a report that several thousand civilian employees at the Pentagon would be let go. He said, "This is just not right. It's not right. I don't care how much conservatives preach and comment about downsizing the federal government. These people have invested their lives into this system of government. The Trump administration is setting a very dangerous precedence. This is the nature of business in this country. There's no concept of job security within the federal government. There's partly no such of a thing as job security in the private sector. If this is the result of cutting spending and bringing down the debt, it shows that this is not a fair system. They'll fire you without a cause. Not from you being a bad employee, breaking policy, or doing something unethical. They'll fire you just because they can."

It's just a level of dumb that is breath-taking.

tomder55
Feb 22, 2025, 08:54 AM
I've seen such pushback . In SC there were 246,000 layoffs last year . Layoffs are a fact of life in the private sector . The feeling of invulnerability that the bureaucracy had has been shattered . Welcome to the real world

6,700 IRS layoffs is earth shattering when they expected to hire 87,000 additional under Clueless Joe .

In my time I was directed by the bosses to trim my staff . Not one of those laid off thought it was fair . Fair has nothing to do with it .

I would prefer a more surgical approach to avoid what happened at the DOE .

Fired Nuclear Bomb Specialists Recalled by Energy Department (https://www.yahoo.com/news/dismissed-nuclear-bomb-specialists-recalled-230818657.html)

But I am all on board with the goals.

jlisenbe
Feb 22, 2025, 04:36 PM
I think that's a good observation. There is a little too much of the "fly by night" appearance with these layoffs in the sense that I don't know how they have been able to think this through well enough. Still, at least they are doing something as opposed to the do-nothing admin of the past four years.

tomder55
Feb 22, 2025, 05:15 PM
Still, at least they are doing something as opposed to the do-nothing

and that is why I support it despite the sloppy execution . I had conversations with critics . They lament the hurt of the Fed employees . Some go so far as to CLAIM they favor eliminating waste and fraud and corruption . I don't buy it and ask them how they think it is possible to eliminate waste fraud and abuse and still not have personnel cuts ? It make no sense .

I tell them that we are now taking a 20% hair cut in our spending power . What do they think will happen when we are close to default ?

They call Trump Hitler . Don't they realize that Hitler's rise to power came when Germany could not pay it's debts ?

https://media.istockphoto.com/id/488614535/photo/head-banging.jpg?s=612x612&w=0&k=20&c=RDu49iQ-NxD4En6yH7LVj_rlV8gHb8NZapI__HjqTAI=

tomder55
Feb 23, 2025, 04:31 AM
Former Obots admitted on a pod cast that all this efficiency stuff was things they should've been doing . Why didn't they do it ? Because it is hard to do.

Jon Lovett ;a former speech writer said
“Honestly, some of this is pretty annoying because it’s some of the stuff we should have done. We didn’t know you could do some of this.”

Wow !!!! you can make cuts ???? I didn't know .

Jon Favreau another speech writer said

“We all know that government is slow. We all know government can be inefficient. We all know that the bureaucracy can be bloated. We all worked in the f—ing White House. We tried to reorganize the government. We tried to find efficiency. It’s hard to do,”

Evidently it is not as hard as he claims. All it takes is the will to face the blowback.

Much easier to grow it .
'Obama Bros' admit they should've done 'some of the stuff' Trump is doing with DOGE (https://nypost.com/2025/02/12/us-news/obama-bros-admit-they-shouldve-done-some-of-the-stuff-trump-is-doing-with-doge/)

Musk sent an email to Federal employees to report back what they accomplished in the last week. He gave them 48 hrs to respond.

Elon Musk on X: "Consistent with President @realDonaldTrump’s instructions, all federal employees will shortly receive an email requesting to understand what they got done last week. Failure to respond will be taken as a resignation." / X (https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1893386883444437415)

I can hear the panic . Trump is actually expecting them to get something done for their pay. Performance standards ? unheard of .

Ghostbusters - They Expect Results - Dan Ackroyd (Dan Stantz) / Bill Murray (Peter Venkman) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C2UK0l6TwVs)