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tomder55
Jan 20, 2025, 06:15 AM
The final pardons he gave beg the question. What does Joe know about the crimes these people committed ? They are all of the blanket pardon variety he gave to Hunter for crimes they may have committed .
He issued pardons for retired Gen. Mark Milley, Herr Doctor Fauci and members and staff of the Jan 6.Kangaroo Court ,as well as police officers who testified before the committee.
It’s customary for a president to grant clemency at the end of his term, but those acts of mercy are usually offered to everyday Americans who have been convicted of crimes. But Biden has used the power in the broadest and most untested way possible: to pardon those who have not even been investigated yet. And with the acceptance comes a tacit admission of guilt or wrongdoing, even though those who have been pardoned have not been formally accused of any crimes.
Biden pardons Fauci, Milley and Jan. 6 committee members (https://www.wbaltv.com/article/biden-pardons-fauci-milley-jan6-committee/63480746)
tomder55
Jan 20, 2025, 12:23 PM
On his way out the door ;he also pardoned brother James and the rest of the Biden Crime family for crimes they may have committed . Took him his whole career ;but he finally reached the bottom rung of the government ethics ladder .
tomder55
Jan 20, 2025, 12:32 PM
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tomder55
Jan 21, 2025, 03:49 AM
Mark Penn is a long time Democrat pollster and key advisor to Bubba during his reign . He was Evita's political strategist in her failed 2008 campaign for the Dem nomination.
Over time he has become disillusioned with the Dem's radical lefty shift. But he is still a Dem.
Here is his comments about Traitor Joe's pardons of his crime family .
The last straw
Last minute pardons for Biden’s political accomplices were the plan all along. The pardons for drug dealers and commutations for murderers were just cover for the main act of these pardons and his son — all done after elections have passed.
The only administration to try to jail political opponents was not Trump’s but Biden’s, and it was the voters who rejected it with their votes.
There were legitimate questions on whether Fauci lied about his funding of gain of function research, whether Miley broke the chain of command and had unauthorized communications with the Chinese and whether the Jan 6th committee coached witnesses. They may have all been right and truthful but there were questions, and they will all go unresolved now.
But Biden was elected lying to the public about his son’s business (which was eventually uncovered), sought to win reelection hiding his infirmities, (which was also eventually uncovered), and genuinely abused his office in the closing days of his presidency as his low ratings sink even lower.
(1) Mark Penn on X: "The last straw Last minute pardons for Biden’s political accomplices were the plan all along. The pardons for drug dealers and commutations for murderers were just cover for the main act of these pardons and his son — all done after elections have passed. The only" / X (https://x.com/Mark_Penn/status/1881327074465452296)
There are no legitimate questions . Fauci lied and sold out to the Chinese who are responsible for the death of more than a million people when they unleashed covid .
I don't think Miley betrayed the country when he privately communicated with the Chinese military command assuring them that the US would not attack them . This pardon probably does not end the controversy .But Miley is retired . This may prevent a post retirement court marshal that Miley would have been cleared of charges anyway. .
There is no doubt that Liz Cheney coached key witness Cassidy Hutchinson and maybe went so far as to suborn perjury . Other members of the Kangaroo Court may have also done criminal acts . Regardless of pardons the investigations of the conduct of the Impeachment committee should proceed. The same with the Biden crime family . We need the whole truth of this most corrupt regime in US history .
tomder55
Jan 21, 2025, 06:09 AM
The good news is that Congress can still do their investigations and the people pardoned cannot use the 5th amendment as a dodge ........ and if they lie under oath the immunity doesn't cover new crimes .
Fauci is very vulnerable. Senators Rand Paul and Ron Johnson have knives out.
Question 1 . Have you lied in any previous testimony to Congress ? He can deny it ,but it is clear that after the US banned gain of function research in 2014 ;Herr Doctor Fauci outsource the research to the Chinese using US funds.
I would also question him about bio-labs in Ukraine. Under the guise of reducing the threat of bioweapons ;the US funded 46 labs in the country .
The United States has also worked collaboratively to improve Ukraine’s biological safety, security, and disease surveillance for both human and animal health, providing support to 46 peaceful Ukrainian laboratories, health facilities, and disease diagnostic sites over the last two decades. The collaborative programs have focused on improving public health and agricultural safety measures at the nexus of nonproliferation.
This work, often conducted in partnership with outside organizations, such as the WHO and the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE), has resulted in safer and more effective disease surveillance and detection. Ukrainian scientists have acted consistent with international best practices and norms in publishing research results, partnering with international colleagues and multilateral organizations, and widely distributing their research and public health findings.
Ukraine owns and operates its public health laboratories and associated infrastructure, and the United States is proud to collaborate, cooperate, and provide assistance in support of this infrastructure. These facilities operate just like other state or local public health and research laboratories around the world. Furthermore, all equipment and training provided by the United States is subject to U.S. export control processes, audits, and acquisition laws and regulations, which ensures transparency and compliance with domestic and international laws.
This assistance has directly and measurably improved Ukraine’s preparedness and response efforts to detect and report outbreaks, including COVID-19 response, and has helped protect its food supply in addition to many other benefits that accrued from this partnership.
Fact Sheet on WMD Threat Reduction Efforts with Ukraine, Russia and Other Former Soviet Union Countries > U.S. Department of Defense > Release (https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/article/3057517/fact-sheet-on-wmd-threat-reduction-efforts-with-ukraine-russia-and-other-former/)
FACT SHEET: The Department of Defense’s Cooperative Threat Reduction Program - Biological Threat Reduction Program Activities in Ukraine (https://media.defense.gov/2022/Mar/11/2002954612/-1/-1/0/FACT-SHEET-THE-DEPARTMENT-OF-DEFENSE'S-COOPERATIVE-THREAT-REDUCTION-PROGRAM-BIOLOGICAL-THREAT-REDUCTION-PROGRAM-ACTIVITIES-IN-UKRAINE.PDF)
Was gain of function used in the Ukraine program ? The US was quick to dismiss such a suggestion as misinformation and Russian propaganda.
Maybe new hearings will clear that up.
tomder55
Jan 21, 2025, 06:54 AM
The good news if there is any in Joe's clearly obvious abuse of the pardon power is that it gives Trump less targets to play the lawfare game on his enemies. Let lawfare die off and be a forever stain on the emperor-Clueless Joe regime.
tomder55
Jan 23, 2025, 09:52 AM
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jlisenbe
Jan 24, 2025, 07:33 AM
Did Pelosi get a pardon?
Tom, how can Biden just hand out these blanket pardons to people who are not even formally accused of a crime? What if one of them turns out to be a murderer? Are they off the hook for that now?
tomder55
Jan 24, 2025, 02:43 PM
Article II, Section 2, Clause 1:
The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offences against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.
The power to pardon is unlimited for Federal Crimes
Pelosi was not pardoned .
Pardons for crimes not committed has not been tested in court but Ford giving Nixon a blanket pardon set the precedent.
The pardon is only from the specified time to the day of the pardon. If a pardoned person then murders the pardon does not apply for that act.
I believe that the J6s are not off the hook yet. Some state prosecutor are going to go over the cases with a fine tooth comb looking for state violations.
If they can find charges that don't fall into double jeopardy status I believe they will proceed .
jlisenbe
Jan 24, 2025, 03:58 PM
The pardon is only from the specified time to the day of the pardon. If a pardoned person then murders the pardon does not apply for that act.But Biden's pardons, as I understand them, are just open-ended. They do not specify a crime, do they? And if that is the case, wouldn't it be the ultimate "get out of jail free" card?
tomder55
Jan 24, 2025, 05:13 PM
There aren't many links to reference but No ;pardons cannot apply to future crimes that someone has not yet committed.
How do Donald Trump’s pardons compare with other US presidents? | Donald Trump News | Al Jazeera (https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/1/23/how-do-donald-trumps-pardons-compare-with-other-us-presidents#:~:text=Pardons%20are%20permanent%20onc e%20issued,someone%20has%20not%20yet%20committed.)
Good Question: Do pardons apply to crimes committed after the pardon was issued? (https://www.wkyt.com/2025/01/20/good-question-do-pardons-apply-crimes-committed-after-pardon-was-issued/)
I think the broad power to issue blanket pardons should be challenged in court . The pardon should reference the crime.
jlisenbe
Jan 24, 2025, 08:41 PM
The pardon should reference the crime.Absolutely. Suppose it is established in a year or so that Hunter Biden murdered someone. I guess he would be free and clear. What a dumb system.
tomder55
Jan 25, 2025, 03:28 AM
The good news I guess is that, in theory anyway, if someone is pardoned ,it is not the same thing as immunity from perjury .Essentially by accepting a pardon they are waiving 5th amendment self incrimination rights .
We do not know the full extent of the Biden crime family corruption . I would haul all of them before a Congressional inquiry . If they lie during testimony and it can be proven that is a new crime that can be prosecuted. Let him publicly deny the charges of IRS whistleblowers Supervisory Special Agent Gary Shapley and Special Agent Joe Ziegler in hearings . I dare him.
Also Joe and Jill are not on the pardon list. Jill was paid off in gifts .
Foreign gifts to Biden family in 2023 include $20K diamond from India (https://thehill.com/homenews/5065098-jill-biden-gifts-foreign-leaders/?tbref=hp) . The agents above said they knew Joe was "the big guy" .
Whistleblowers Testify: Clear Links Between Joe Biden and Hunter Biden’s Business Dealings – Ways and Means (https://waysandmeans.house.gov/2023/12/07/whistleblowers-testify-clear-links-between-joe-biden-and-hunter-bidens-business-dealings/)