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jlisenbe
Feb 3, 2023, 02:47 PM
The Chicoms float a spy balloon across Montana. Rather than simply getting rid of it, the admin puts this out.
The White House said Friday it is "keeping all options on the table" regarding the Chinese spy balloon after President Biden followed "strong" recommendations from defense officials not to shoot down the aircraft due to safety to people on the ground.So they were really afraid that a part of the balloon might fall on someone in heavily populated Montana? We can't figure out how to take down a balloon in a wooded area? Biden and the dems should be wearing MAMA caps. "Make Amerian Mediocre Again."
tomder55
Feb 3, 2023, 04:55 PM
f troop it is balloon - Google Search (https://www.google.com/search?q=f+troop+it+is+balloon&source=hp&ei=ZJ7dY8SMCML5wbkPlYm_2Ao&iflsig=AK50M_UAAAAAY92sdOjQwMMBNNKiZ-RjkoYdprXqpCb2&oq=f+troop+it+is+&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAEYADIFCAAQgAQyBggAEBYQHjIGCAA QFhAeMgYIABAWEB4yBQgAEIYDMgUIABCGAzIFCAAQhgM6CAgAE I8BEOoCOg4ILhCPARDHARDRAxDqAjoICC4QjwEQ6gI6EQguEIA EELEDEIMBEMcBENEDOgsIABCABBCxAxCDAToLCC4QgAQQxwEQ0 QM6EQguEIMBEMcBELEDENEDEIAEOggILhCABBCxAzoLCC4QgAQ QsQMQgwE6BQguEIAEOggIABCABBCxAzoLCC4QgwEQsQMQgAQ6C AgAELEDEIMBOgsILhCvARDHARCABFDhBViOYWCMd2gBcAB4AIA BbYgBmgqSAQQxMS4zmAEAoAEBsAEK&sclient=gws-wiz#fpstate=ive&vld=cid:0298ca25,vid:KlyERnu7zUw)
shoot it down
When I get the time I will post my thoughts on the coming war with China.
tomder55
Feb 3, 2023, 06:47 PM
Flashback July last year
Chinese buying farm land in Montana near nuke missile site ,
Report: Communist Chinese Buying Land Near Nukes in Montana (montanatalks.com) (https://montanatalks.com/report-communist-chinese-buying-land-near-nukes-in-montana/)
Quid Pro Joe's sell out to China continues . (askmehelpdesk.com) (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/quid-pro-joes-sell-out-china-continues-849563.html)
Montana is the home of 3 ICBM silo fields and a key Air Force base
Malmstrom Air Force Base | Base Overview & Info | MilitaryINSTALLATIONS (militaryonesource.mil) (https://installations.militaryonesource.mil/in-depth-overview/malmstrom-air-force-base)
jlisenbe
Feb 4, 2023, 06:49 AM
The balloon glides merrily along. It is projected that it will cross over the upper southeastern portion of the country before ending up over the Atlantic. This current admin continues to do what it's best at which is...nothing. Thankfully, the debate over pronoun usage has continued to proceed at a rapid pace, an area where we doubtless have an enormous advantage of the Chicoms.
The Chinese must be watching all of this in amazement at how weak and ineffective the Biden admin has become.
tomder55
Feb 4, 2023, 04:14 PM
I need to know if we did any jamming of it's transmissions . It was shot down off the beaches of South Carolina . Shooting it down was the right call
Athos
Feb 4, 2023, 05:27 PM
It was shot down off the beaches of South Carolina . Shooting it down was the right call
Handled perfectly by Biden.
jlisenbe
Feb 4, 2023, 06:18 PM
If not for the public outcry, it would be floating along in the Atlantic right now.
tomder55
Feb 5, 2023, 03:54 AM
I need to know if we did any jamming of it's transmissions .
Long before the shoot down, U.S. officials took steps to protect against the balloon's collection of sensitive information, mitigating its intelligence value to the Chinese.
F-22 Safely Shoots Down Chinese Spy Balloon Off South Carolina Coast > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News (https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/3288543/f-22-safely-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-south-carolina-coast/)
tomder55
Feb 5, 2023, 03:59 AM
Officials in the Pentagon now claim that China floated balloons into US airspace 3 times during Trump's term. That statement surprised Mark Esper, the former Secretary of Defense.He said he was never made aware of this .
jlisenbe
Feb 5, 2023, 07:26 PM
Now they are backing off of that. "Chinese spy balloons over US during Trump admin 'discovered after' he left office: senior Biden official."
Chinese spy balloons over US during Trump admin 'discovered after' he left office: senior Biden official | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/chinese-spy-balloons-over-us-during-trump-admin-discovered-after-he-left-office-senior-biden-official)
tomder55
Feb 6, 2023, 03:51 AM
Hardly handled perfectly .We have no indication that the balloon was ever detected or tracked until a bunch of people in Montana noticed it
The balloon flew from China ,over South Korea ,into Japanese air space ,over the Aleutian Island chain; into Alaska ,down through Canada, into continental US . Yet Clueless claims that it was not safe to shoot it down until it crossed the entire continent .
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b8/2023_Chinese_Balloon_route.svg/220px-2023_Chinese_Balloon_route.svg.png
What if it wasn't a "weather balloon" ? What if it wasn't just a spy balloon gathering intelligence ? What if it carrying a nuclear bomb . At 60,000 feet it would've made a heck of an EMP .
If this balloon or multiple balloons crossed that path then we have wasted a fortune on early warning systems .Forget about hypersonic or ICBMs . We can't prevent balloons from attacking .
"U.S. intelligence, not the Biden administration" assesses that "PRC (People's Republic of China) government surveillance balloons transited the continental U.S. briefly at least three times during the prior administration and once that we know of at the beginning of this administration, but never for this duration of time."
These would be the same "US Intelligence " who told us that Iraq had huge stockpiles of WMD...... the same "intelligence agencies that told us Trump and Russia was colluding to steal the 2016 election .....the same agencies that told us Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation.
Or were the balloons detected and our Intel agencies decided to not tell the Commander in Chief about them ? How about the Congressional oversight committees . They decided that the information was too important to reveal to them too ?
Was this kept secret because Hunter's Chinese handlers JiaQi Bao, and Patrick Ho ;told the" Big guy " to keep it under wraps ?
Hunter's connections with Bao ... a former Chinese government researcher who effectively ran Hunter's business dealings in China and encouraged Quid to run for President ;and Ho .... a former Secretary for Home Affairs in Hong Kong ,who Hunter called the F-ing spy chief of China ;were through his $5 million deal with China controlled CEFC .
tomder55
Feb 6, 2023, 05:05 AM
Allegedly Clueless knew the balloon was in US skies on Jan 28 . But the public was not aware until Feb 2 when people saw the UFO .Why the lag ;the cover up ? Was it because he was trying to make the Blinken trip to China happen?
There was no talk about shooting the balloon down until after Trump and later emperor operative and former CIA chief Leon Panetta called for it to be shot down. Would Quid have shot it down without their's and public pressure to do so?
Has the $54 million+ Chinese "donations " to the Biden center affected his decisions regarding China ? Before he was Sec State Blinken served as managing director of the Penn Biden Center . How about the $31 million the Biden Crime family scored in 5 business deals with companies directly linked to the CCP ? Did that have an impact on his thinking ?
tomder55
Feb 6, 2023, 06:38 AM
The Malmstrom Airforce Base in Montana that the balloon flew over houses silos for 150 Minuteman III ICBMs .....what the commander calls "the guardians of doomsday. "
To the Nuclear Airmen of Malmstrom > Malmstrom Air Force Base > Display (af.mil) (https://www.malmstrom.af.mil/News/Commentaries/Display/Article/349426/to-the-nuclear-airmen-of-malmstrom/)
jlisenbe
Feb 6, 2023, 06:57 AM
Handled perfectly by Biden.The incredible quote of the week. I suspect the handling was considered to have been done "perfectly" because "Biden" is not spelled T-r-u-m-p.
tomder55
Feb 6, 2023, 07:34 AM
The Chinese gathered their intel ;and sent it to Beijing . The balloon itself was expendable . The one floating around Central America is scouting the US soft underbelly defenses .
jlisenbe
Feb 6, 2023, 07:37 AM
What's rather interesting is how well the Chicoms were able to predict weather patterns so as to get these balloons, presumably, to go where they wanted them.
tomder55
Feb 6, 2023, 08:25 AM
navigation systems help when one is aimlessly drifting with the wind . somehow on it's drift through continental US it managed stop overs at Malmstrom AF Base AND Whiteman AF Base in Missouri ;home of B2 stealth bombers .
jlisenbe
Feb 6, 2023, 09:43 AM
How can a nav system work for a balloon which has no guidance mechanisms?
tomder55
Feb 6, 2023, 12:12 PM
You are assuming it doesn't have guidance. I expect this moved around much like the US version 'Cold Star' .
Raven Aerostar, a division of Raven Industries, produces the balloons. Raven said they consist of a flight control unit, powered by batteries that are charged using renewable solar panels. They also have a payload electronics package that controls flight safety, navigation and communications, Russell Van Der Werff, engineering director at Raven Aerostar, said in an interview.
Wind currents allow the balloon to float along a desired flight path, and the company takes advantage of different wind speeds and directions to move the balloon to the target area.
But that’s not all. Raven Aerostar uses a proprietary machine-learning algorithm that predicts wind directions and fuses incoming sensor data in real time, Van Der Werff said. The company also employs a software program to pilot and monitor its balloon fleet and has a mission operations center manned with trained flight engineers 24 hours a day, seven days a week, he added.
U.S. military’s newest weapon against China and Russia: Hot air - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/05/u-s-militarys-newest-weapon-against-china-and-russia-hot-air-00043860)
jlisenbe
Feb 6, 2023, 12:17 PM
Interesting. I never would have guessed it.
tomder55
Feb 8, 2023, 05:32 AM
with apologies to Nena The lyrics updated
'99 Luftballons '
You and I in a little toy shop
Buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got
Set them free at the break of dawn
'Til one by one, they were gone
Back at base, sparks in the software
Flash the message "Something's out there"
Floating in the summer sky
a white balloon go by
Floating in the summer sky
Panic bells, it's red alert
There's something here from somewhere else
The war machine springs to life
Opens up one eager eye
Focusing it on the sky
99 Decision Street
99 ministers meet
To worry, worry, super scurry
Call the troops out in a hurry
This is what we've waited for
This is it boys, this is war
The President is on the line
As a white balloon goes by
99 knights of the air
Ride super high-tech jet fighters
Everyone's a superhero
Everyone's a Captain Kirk
With orders to identify
To clarify and classify
Scrambling the winter sky
As a white balloon goes by
99 dreams I have had
In every one, a white balloon
It's all over, and I'm standing pretty
In this dust that was a city
If I could find a souvenir
Just to prove the world was here
And here is a white balloon
I think of you, and shoot it down .
NENA | 99 Luftballons (Live 2018) (HD) - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIO5lfJ9dhs)
Wondergirl
Feb 8, 2023, 09:42 AM
with apologies to Nene
The group's name was Nena.
tomder55
Feb 10, 2023, 07:46 AM
Do you believe in coincidences ?
North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) conducted 'Operation NOBLE DEFENDER' across multiple locations in the Arctic, Canada and the United States between January 15-31 .
The Chinese balloon meandered across multiple points of our early warning system within that time frame before being detected by citizens in Montana on February 2.
It was first detected in Alaskan air space north of the Aleutian Islands on January 28. North American Aerospace Defense Command determined it posed no threat or intelligence risk .
Did they inform the President ? NO . Why Not ?
January 30 ,it is determined by NORAD that it is a spy balloon. It is being tracked through Canada . Was Clueless informed ? No .
January 31 , It enters continental US in Idaho . Finally Clueless is briefed by the DOD.
He asks for options to shoot it down. At this point there are many opportunities to down the balloon where the only living things that would be in danger are prairie dogs and elk. The Pentagon has an exact path plotted but decides that instead of downing it they would cease any activity that could give the Chinese signal intel (SIGNIT)
February 1 . The balloon veers off of the path the Pentagon plotted and just happens to park over Malmstrom Air Force Base, one of three sites that operate and maintain the nation’s intercontinental ballistic missiles. F-22 jets are scrambled but still no action is taken . Clueless
directs the Pentagon to come up with options to shoot down the balloon as soon as it is safe to do so over U.S. territorial waters.
Sec State Blinken meet with Chinese embassy officials.(5 days after the balloon 1st entered US territory) .
February 2 , the government can't stay quiet anymore . The Pentagon makes a public statement Key members of Congress had not been briefed 6 days after the balloon entered US territory . Once they become aware they start to make noise legitimately asking why they have not been briefed .
Blinken decides to postpone his planned trip to China.
February 3 China claims it is a weather balloon that 'accidently' drifted into US airspace.
February 4 after travelling the length of continental US making stop overs at Malmstrom and Whiteman Airforce Base Missouri (where strategic stealth B2 bomber are housed ) it is finally shot down in the waters off of Myrtle Beach SC. The Pentagon claims it is a good thing that it took a week to down it because they were able to study it's capability .The Chinese say we violated international practices and said there will be repercussions .
The US is still recovering the remains of the balloon ;now submerged in sea water for a week further degrading the value of the remains .
Senior officials said that it’s very early in the process and so far have only recovered pieces of evidence that were on the surface. Those pieces include the balloon, some wiring and a very small amount of electronics.
“We have not seen the payload which is where we expect to see the lion share of the electronics,” the senior official stated.
The FBI added that it’s still too early to determine the intent of the balloon.
Senior officials also said that this weekend’s weather may also impact the search.
FBI on Chinese surveillance balloon recovery off S.C. coast: ‘Much of the evidence remains underwater’ (wmbfnews.com) (https://www.wmbfnews.com/2023/02/09/fbi-chinese-surveillance-balloon-recovery-off-sc-coast-much-evidence-remains-underwater/)
Yesterday Clueless said it was 'NOT a major breach ' of US security .
'Handled perfectly by Biden'.
jlisenbe
Feb 10, 2023, 07:53 AM
'Handled perfectly by Biden'.First words I thought of as well!
All of this casts doubt on the Hersh article. It is hard to imagine Biden being able to make bold decisions.
tomder55
Feb 10, 2023, 09:26 AM
more likely he listens to his puppet masters .
tomder55
Feb 10, 2023, 01:27 PM
We shot down a UFO over Alaska today . ABC is calling it a balloon but so far official word is it is a 'high-altitude object'
I bet it looked like this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/bb/Trump_Baby_Balloon_at_protest_in_Parliament_Square .jpg/270px-Trump_Baby_Balloon_at_protest_in_Parliament_Square .jpg
or this
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/329332825_1892453894424433_5501879659044657122_n.j pg?stp=dst-jpg_s640x640&_nc_cat=107&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=_ra9lOpOPLMAX9RqxCH&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfCJxcgyu-CxobChjUGqS5PKfMimMxVP6tfvFI-4tXdOEg&oe=63EC7674
tomder55
Feb 14, 2023, 09:45 AM
It took 2 sidewinders to take down the UFO over Lake Huron A sidewinder costs $450,000 each .
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2023, 01:47 PM
The "spy balloon" pic is hilarious.
I'm surprised the Sidewinder would work at all. They are heat-seekers. What heat is there on the balloon?
tomder55
Feb 14, 2023, 04:38 PM
I'm not sure the other 3 targets were balloons. The administration has been hush hush about that .
jlisenbe
Feb 14, 2023, 04:57 PM
Very good point.
jlisenbe
Feb 15, 2023, 10:51 AM
https://scontent.fmem1-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/329444461_573111774738612_7451876316762675453_n.jp g?_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=8bfeb9&_nc_ohc=1fc5szWsOOwAX-g4loS&_nc_ht=scontent.fmem1-2.fna&oh=00_AfDnUWj8IMzBKuayrkS--XjK7pbVQhEVneoTn5MOhbCJHA&oe=63F2B300
tomder55
Feb 15, 2023, 12:24 PM
aint that the truth
White House spokesperson John Kirby said Tuesday the intelligence community is "considering as a leading explanation" that the three objects shot down over the weekend "could just be balloons tied to some commercial or benign purpose."
A 'leading explanation' is 3 downed objects were commercial, benign balloons, White House says - ABC News (go.com) (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/leading-explanation-3-downed-objects-commercial-benign-balloons/story?id=97189258)
5 sidewinders used so far attacking balloons .
Maybe this would've been better
https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/330030194_1438364280307307_4217236070313049994_n.p ng?stp=dst-png_p526x296&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=730e14&_nc_ohc=qXErlNWZ71YAX92hQ_Q&tn=D3-YMvk4ckA6zEtC&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&oh=00_AfAjrMZGX2vk0_InuZw_URKMnyIsYyrkHHXxZEx4GS7L UQ&oe=63F29BE0
tomder55
Feb 16, 2023, 05:24 PM
A hobby group may have the answer to what the U.S. shot down over Canada last week - POLITICO (https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/16/mystery-object-balloon-illinois-biden-00083355)
UFO shot down by $400k US missile may have been a $12 hobby balloon (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2023/02/16/ufo-shot-down-by-400k-us-missile-may-have-been-a-12-hobby-balloon/)
tomder55
Jun 23, 2024, 03:34 AM
NY Post has a map of Chinese owned farm land in the US . Most of it is near military bases.
https://media.notthebee.com/articles/article-6675794580812.jpg
Chinese-owned farmland next to 19 US military bases (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2024/06/20/us-news/chinese-owned-farmland-next-to-19-us-military-bases/?utm_campaign=nypost&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)
“It is alarming we do not have laws on the books that would prevent the Chinese from buying property in the US.”
jlisenbe
Jun 23, 2024, 04:11 AM
As is the case in a number of areas, we are so focused on the really important things like proper usage of pronouns that there is just no time to worry about trivialities such as the Chinese buying up the country.
tomder55
Dec 13, 2024, 03:54 AM
Now large drones that sound like Harley Davidson motorcycles are flying over New Jersey ;including military bases . Scores of people have reported sightings of them and taken photos of them . Just like the Chinese balloons ;the government tried to ignore them and keep people in the dark about them. When the compliant press began to notice the administration had to respond. National security spokesperson John Kirby says "nothing to see here " .
White House security adviser dismisses NJ drone sightings — here's what he claims they really are (https://nypost.com/2024/12/12/us-news/white-house-security-advisor-dismisses-nj-drone-sightings-heres-what-he-claims-they-really-are/)
These are not drone toys you can pick up at electronics stores . They are the type of drones that are being used in the Ukraine conflict ;ones that hover over targets for surveillance or attack .
Nothing to see here
A Chinese national who lives in Northern California has been arrested on suspicion of flying a drone over Vandenberg Space Force Base and taking photos of the facility, the U.S. Department of Justice said Wednesday. Yinpiao Zhou, 39, a Chinese citizen living legally in the U.S., in Brentwood, Contra Costa County, has been charged with failure to register an aircraft not providing transportation and violation of national defense airspace, the Justice Department said in a statement.
He was arrested Tuesday at San Francisco International Airport as he prepared to board a flight to China and had been due to appear in court Wednesday.
Chinese man arrested, accused of flying drone over and taking photos of Vandenberg Space Force Base - CBS Los Angeles (https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/los-angeles-man-arrested-for-flying-drone-over-taking-photos-of-vandenberg-space-force-base/)
jlisenbe
Dec 13, 2024, 06:07 AM
Biden cannot leave too soon.
tomder55
Dec 13, 2024, 02:08 PM
It would scare me . Video shows these are swarms of drones as big as SUVs
'Clearly something going on': NJ residents demanding answers over mysterious drones (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GnRS_yuPPw)
Even Senator Spartacus notices .
Others who have spoken out are Senator Schmucky ;Gillibrand ; Richard Blumenthal (who wants them shot down) . NY Guv Hochel is going to investigate .
One rumor was they were coming from an Iranian mothership .
Pentagon says mystery New Jersey drones not from Iranian 'mothership' (https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crrwz91wqd9o)
The administration denied it ... I'm not so sure .
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GejSvD0W0AEmLpE?format=jpg&name=small
(thanks to Babylon Bee )
If they need my assistance ;I trained to take them out
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/_ftVrgJTl4w/sddefault.jpg?sqp=-oaymwEmCIAFEOAD8quKqQMa8AEB-AH-BIACsAOKAgwIABABGFsgZSgPMA8=&rs=AOn4CLBFpuLoz7DA6cCZVa5SEjoNRWVgEA
tomder55
Dec 13, 2024, 05:12 PM
More lies from DHS
"We have not been able to, and neither have state or local law enforcement authorities, corroborate any of the reported visual sightings. To the contrary, upon review of available imagery, it appears that many of the reported sightings are actually manned aircraft that are being operated lawfully."
New Jersey Drones 'Not a National Security Threat' Say FBI, DHS - AVSN (https://aviationsourcenews.com/new-jersey-drones-not-a-national-security-threat-say-fbi-dhs/)
No problem..... if they are manned flights then tbe flight log has to be filed . Release the flight logs to the public.
tomder55
Dec 14, 2024, 02:35 AM
btw that wall that Trump still wants to build ...... ??? Now that Trump will be President again he can take those stacked pieces of wall already constructed and assemble them.........right ?
Wrong.
Clueless Joe is auctioning them off in a garage sale.
“They are taking it from three stations: Nogales, Tucson, and Three Points,” the border patrol agent, who was granted anonymity to speak freely, told The Daily Wire. “The goal is to move all of it off the border before Christmas.”
EXCLUSIVE: Biden Races To Sell Off Border Wall Parts Before Trump Takes Office (https://www.dailywire.com/news/exclusive-biden-races-to-sell-off-border-wall-parts-before-trump-takes-office?topStoryPosition=1)
tomder55
Dec 14, 2024, 04:39 AM
This guy is a disaster but he best represents the government under Clueless Joe.
Alejandro Mayorkas says DHS lacks the “authority” to do anything about the NJ drone issue.
Unidentified drones cause concern, confusion for New Jersey residents | Live Updates from Fox News Digital (https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/new-jersey-mysterious-drone-sightings-live-updates)
jlisenbe
Dec 14, 2024, 09:08 PM
49647
tomder55
Dec 15, 2024, 05:49 AM
yup . I expect that to happen. In NY ;even though the Westchester Airport had to close due to drone overflights ;they are taking i phone photos and waiting for the government to act. You see how that is working .
jlisenbe
Dec 15, 2024, 06:26 AM
The amazing part of all of this is that the drones have to land at some point. You would think it would be easy enough to put a light plane up there to just follow one of them and see where it's going.
tomder55
Dec 15, 2024, 12:23 PM
Yeah the government has to want to track them . Much easier to do figure 8 spying over military installations and Trump's Bedminster NJ golf course with a drone than with a balloon . These drones are also big enough to carry payload .
tomder55
Dec 16, 2024, 04:43 AM
Flashback 2013
The Federal Aviation Administration today announced that the Garden State will be one of several test sites from around the nation conducting research on drone aircraft with the aim of ultimately integrating them into the domestic airspace.
In fact, the state will be playing at least two roles in these studies that could lead to a multi-billion dollar industry in commercial drone aircraft.
First, Rutgers University will be teaming up with Virginia Tech, which the FAA named one of its six test-site operators. The two universities, which joined forces as the Mid-Atlantic Aviation Partnership, have already run drone tests in Virginia and New Jersey, according to Jon Greene, a Virginia Tech official who is the interim head of the partnership.
"It’s not going to be a relationship where Rutgers is going to be working for us. We’re going to be working as a team," he said.
Unmanned drones coming to N.J. skies as FAA names test sites - nj.com (https://www.nj.com/business/2013/12/unmanned_drones_to_take_to_nj_skies_as_faa_names_t est_sites_for_drone_research.html)
While specific test sites have yet to be determined, LoBiondo noted that part of what made New Jersey attractive include the restricted airspace above the Warren Grove section of the Pine Barrens, a bombing range for the New Jersey Air National Guard.
The FAA Authorization Act of 2012 mandated that the drone testing program safely integrate UAS into the national airspace.
Text - H.R.658 - 112th Congress (2011-2012): FAA Modernization and Reform Act of 2012 | Congress.gov | Library of Congress (https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/658/text)
But it is unlikely that this is government testing .
"There's a reason why we test stuff in Area 51 or all these remote locations, so that you don't have to cause public hysteria. And then when we would test stuff in cities, we would always, whenever we do secret exercises in cities, we would always inform the local police."
Drone experts rule out US government experiment, unsure of other New Jersey drone phenomenon theories | Fox News (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/drones-new-jersey-military-experiment)
Meanwhile in New Jersey
Drone sightings reported above NJ nuclear power plants (https://nj1015.com/drone-sightings-reported-above-nj-nuclear-power-plants/)
tomder55
Dec 16, 2024, 05:00 AM
So that leaves foreign sources as Gordon Chang warns
Chang is a frequent commentator on China . He is a China national who is a critic of CCP.
Expert issues horrifying warning about origin of mysterious drones surveying America: 'Too large, too well organized' | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14193939/Expert-issues-horrifying-warning-origin-mysterious-drones-surveying-America-large-organized.html)
tomder55
Dec 16, 2024, 05:49 AM
Mystery Drones Shut Down Ohio Air Force Base: 'Extreme Caution' - Newsweek (https://www.newsweek.com/mystery-drones-shut-down-ohio-air-force-base-2001176#:~:text=Unknown%20drone%20activity%20force d%20one,Air%20Force%20Base%20in%20Ohio.)
Drone sighting temporarily shuts down runways at New York airport - ABC News (https://abcnews.go.com/US/drone-sighting-temporarily-shuts-runways-new-york-airport/story?id=116792168)
Stewart is also home to an Air National Guard base .
Joint Staff Addresses Drones Over New Jersey Military Installations > U.S. Department of Defense > Defense Department News (https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/4002374/joint-staff-addresses-drones-over-new-jersey-military-installations/)
More than a dozen drones followed a 47-foot Coast Guard boat Sunday night, while law enforcement tracked another 50 drones coming onto land from the ocean at Island Beach State Park, Rep. Chris Smith said.
NJ drones: Congressman says 50 drones spotted offshore (https://www.app.com/story/news/local/2024/12/10/50-nj-drones-came-in-from-ocean-12-trailed-coast-guard-ship-congressman-fbi-admits-dont-know-origin/76893631007/)
tomder55
Dec 17, 2024, 04:31 AM
The government should come clean. The speculation because of the lack of transparency is becoming hilarious to dangerous.
Yesterday social media was on fire because some clown in Kansas; John Ferguson, who runs a drone company made the assertion that the reason the drones are crisscrossing the Northeast in search of loose nukes that went missing during the post-Soviet period that were shipped from Ukraine to the US. He claims 80 are not accounted for. He then went on to say that this was a ploy to get us into a war with Russia.
This was originally on TikTok, but it quickly got linked on places like Joe Rogan's X page.
Joe Rogan on X: "This is the first video about these drones that has got me genuinely concerned." / X (https://x.com/joerogan/status/1868328609687171282)
Ukraine gave up their nukes over 30 years ago. I doubt they ever had 80. But Ferguson claims he spoke to an unnamed "gentleman" who touched one of them. He claims they made it to Colorado from Ukraine and they again went missing a few years ago and that they travelled on the highways. He says the drone are equip with radiation detection sensors. Then he says the "gentleman" claims a nuke went missing from Europe and that is the one they are looking for.
The idea that this got as much social media play as it did is incredible. Joe Rogan did a lot this election cycle to gain credibility. Posting this garbage puts him back in the tin foil hat conspiracy theorist fold.
jlisenbe
Dec 17, 2024, 06:11 AM
The story was talked up a lot because any kind of noise is preferrable to silence. The longer the feds take to clear up this mystery, the more we'll see wild stories like the one above.
tomder55
Dec 18, 2024, 04:11 AM
And this is dangerous . Like it or not ;drones are with us from now on. The longer the government isn't on top of this story ,the longer the fear and paranoia festers. I suspect already that most of the more recent sitings are copycat.
What is going to happen when delivery drones from Amazon;Walmart ;and other distribution businesses services fill the skies ?
Personal drones are now readily affordable and accessible Some of the more inexpensive versions can be had at less than $100 .One of my neighbors flies a personal drone over the neighborhood from time to time and posts the video on our Fakebook page. Ours is a new development and much of it is still in construction . This gives us a birds eye view of the progress. So far there are no paranoia neighbors taking pot shots of the drone although technically it violates privacy.
I already gave example where the government gave contracts for drones tests in NJ . Here is one in NY that covers a 50 mile area
New York UAS Test Site Selected for FAA UTM Field Test.. - LiDAR News (https://lidarnews.com/press-releases/new-york-uas-test-site-selected-for-faa-utm-field-test/)
Why the government just doesn't say that is mind boggling. It leads to belief that they are hiding something .
“Usually when they don’t say anything it’s because the information will embarrass them in some way,” said Mark Cancian, a retired Marine Colonel who is an expert on defense and security for the Center for Strategic and International Studies, a bipartisan think tank in Washington DC.
“It’s entirely possible that they tested UAVs [Unmanned Aerial Vehicles] out and created public hysteria, and are now embarrassed to say, ‘it was us’.”
Security expert says Pentagon too 'embarrassed' to admit drone activity (https://nypost.com/2024/12/17/us-news/retired-marine-says-pentagon-could-be-embarrassed-by-drones/)
How many are from the government approved ? But are they all government ? They allowed balloons to do figure 8's around military sites last year. The CCP purchased land around many of our bases . Are they launching them from there ?
tomder55
Dec 19, 2024, 03:19 PM
FAA new drone restriction area .... nothing to see here .
https://img-s-msn-com.akamaized.net/tenant/amp/entityid/AA1waARO.img?w=590&h=415&m=6
F.A.A. Bans Drone Flights Near ‘Critical Infrastructure’ in New Jersey - The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/19/nyregion/faa-bans-drone-flights-new-jersey.html)
Wish I had thought of that
jlisenbe
Dec 19, 2024, 03:28 PM
Another innovative idea might be for the feds to try and figure out who sent those drones in and for what reason?