The Blond Hair Blue eyed 1/64% native American Boston Brahmin Senator refused to endorse Kam the Sham for a second veep term.

Warren stops short of backing Harris for VP in 2024 (wgbh.org) (https://www.wgbh.org/news/politics/2023/01/27/warren-stops-short-of-backing-harris-for-vp-in-2024)

She wants to “defer” to what makes Clueless Joe “comfortable” .but will not come out and support her

And she is not alone. The Compost shared the thoughts of a dozen or so Dems who raised concerns of Kam continuing as veep in a possible 2nd term

Some Democrats are worried about Kamala Harris’s political prospects - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/30/harris-democrats-worry/)b

I'd do better than Kamelhairus.

Kamelhairus.Creative!!


endorse Kam the Sham for a second veep term.Alarmingly, she is certainly the smarter of the two.

I notice that VP Harris plans to attend the funeral of Mr. Nichols. I wonder if she has attended any other funerals of the hundreds of murdered black people in Memphis, even considering that they were merely killed by non-policemen and thus presented no political advantage to be gained? Some of them were children and some under the age of ten, but VP Harris neglected to so much as send the families a card.

how many funerals of Cops of all color and ethnicity killed in the line of duty has she attended ? In the last month there were 3 killed by gunfire .

Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 2023 (odmp.org) (https://www.odmp.org/search/year/2023)



Here is her well thought out remarks speaking at the Congressional Space medal of honor ceremony yesterday . Sounded like she was addressing kindergarten students .


Which brings me to May 30th, 2020. Bob and Doug returned to the Kennedy Space Center. They suited up, they waved to their families, and they rode an elevator up nearly 20 stories. They strapped into their seats and waited as the tanks beneath them filled with tens of thousands of gallons of fuel. And then, they launched.

Yeah, they did. (Laughter.)

Millions of Americans watched that day. On the hills and sand dunes of Cape Canaveral; in living rooms, dorm rooms, classrooms across our nation, we watched Bob and Doug’s rocket rise from the launch pad. We watched it climb into the sky and then disappear from our view.



Maybe it was her speech writer's fault
Meet Kamala Harris's 6-Year-Old Speechwriter | Babylon Bee (https://babylonbee.com/video/meet-kamala-harriss-6-year-old-speechwriter)

Millions of Americans watched that day. On the hills and sand dunes of Cape Canaveral; in living rooms, dorm rooms, classrooms across our nation, we watched Bob and Doug’s rocket rise from the launch pad. We watched it climb into the sky and then disappear from our view.Not exactly the Gettysburg Address.

how many funerals of Cops of all color and ethnicity killed in the line of duty has she attended

As you well know, that's not the issue. The issue is how many innocent Black people were murdered by cops for no reason after a traffic stop.

So if it's merely a black cop killed by a criminal, then that does not warrant the attention of liberal dems. How strange. It all comes down to gaining a political advantage. It has nothing to do with human lives.

As you well know, that's not the issue. The issue is how many innocent Black people were murdered by cops for no reason after a traffic stop.
It is an important part of the issue. You should be asking how many people who are stopped by police after a traffic stop are killed by the police if they don't resist arrest ?

What happened to Nichols was wrong and the police involved were rightly arrested .

There are some bizarre things in this case like the claim that all the officers involved were Blacks ,but it is still being called white supremacy. This is one Kam the Sham should've sat out .

This is one Kam the Sham should've sat out .That would be true if ethics were the primary consideration, but since the real goal is gaining political power, then her actions make sense.

It is an important part of the issue. You should be asking how many people who are stopped by police after a traffic stop are killed by the police if they don't resist arrest ?

You are saying that some cops do their duty and that excuses the bad cops who don't act correctly.

No what I said was don't resist arrest if you want to reduce your chances of getting killed by a cop .

No what I said was don't resist arrest if you want to reduce your chances of getting killed by a cop .
Tyre Nichols didn't resist arrest -- is now a prime example to cops in training.

An interview with a cop included the comment that cops aren't Black or white. They are trained to ignore their race -- they are blue.

This detailed report based on many pole and body camera videos details the extent of Nichols resisting arrest .It included fleeing ;the officers trying to control him ;him lunging at one of the cops holsters trying to get the officer's gun.

Bodycam Shows Memphis Cops Beat Tyre Nichols As He Resisted Arrest, Went For Cop's Gun - The Police Tribune (https://policetribune.com/bodycam-shows-memphis-cops-beat-tyre-nichols-as-he-resisted-arrest-went-for-cops-gun/)

Tyre Nichols didn't resist arrest He initially refused to lay on the ground, and then he took off and ran from the officers. He then fought the officers who tried to handcuff him after he had been chased down and caught. Now does that amount to resisting arrest? I'll let you decide. It does not justify at all the behavior of the police, but it does show that resisting arrest is a foolish decision that greatly elevates the possibility of a violent outcome.

An interview with a cop included the comment that cops aren't Black or white. They are trained to ignore their race -- they are blue.

True blue.

True story:
Last week I contacted a kid I grew up with who went on to become a cop (NYPD). John (not his real name) was a straight shooter (no pun intended) who swore he would never "go on the pad". New cops would often be initiated in a very small way - $5 for overlooking a small business guy from illegal parking in front of his store. John knew how that worked, but he swore not even to take small amounts which led to big amounts and corruption.

I wrote him a long letter after not being in touch for 30-40 years asking him all about the recent news about cops and police culture - blue wall of silence, etc. I heard back from John and, after some niceties about getting in touch again, his note read as though it were written by the PR department of NYPD. The style and language didn't sound anything like the John I knew - the ex-altar boy who swore to always be on the straight and narrow even if it meant, as he once said, he was permanently assigned to the tow-away squad in Manhattan.

He never answered my specific questions but gave me generalities about "New York's Finest" (he actually used that phrase self-referentially) and how the NYPD was free from corruption after the Knapp Commission, and how they were disciplined and run like the military and put their lives in danger every day.

Either John had been totally won over or someone else wrote that part of the note for him. It was definitely not the guy I grew up with. He finished the email with friendly chatter about the old neighborhood.

I haven't decided yet how or whether to reply to him.


This detailed report based on many pole and body camera videos details the extent of Nichols resisting arrest .It included fleeing ;the officers trying to control him ;him lunging at one of the cops holsters trying to get the officer's gun.

That is absolute BULLSH*T and you know damn well it is!

That is absolute BULLSH*T and you know damn well it is!

wow now you convinced me with that logic

Tomder, you must have watched a different video from what I did. After a cop wrenched open the driver's door, Tyre was immediately pulled out of the driver's seat onto the ground and was repeatedly punched and kicked. He yelled that he hadn't done anything (after asking, "What did I do?!!!") and also called out for his mother who lived a few houses away. He was tased and pepper-sprayed, continually beaten.

What was his offense? He was never told. The police report has not been released.

Yep. You watched a different video for sure.

I was also overwhelmed with the high level argument presented by Athos.

you saw the one video of multiple videos that was released . If you actually read the link provided you would understand that . The link provided explains what was released from both police body cams and over head street cams . It is a balanced presentation without drawing conclusions . What it does detail is the multiple times Nichols resisted arrest . Had he just submitted to the arrest ; then I would be on board with the charges against the officers .


The situation in this country today reminds me of the 1970s and how the returning soldiers from Vietnam were vilified and treated . Bad cops should be dealt with . But what is happening today is a blanket charge of systemic racism . It is nonsense pure and simple

you saw the one video of multiple videos that was released . If you actually read the link provided you would understand that . The link provided explains what was released from both police body cams and over head street cams . It is a balanced presentation without drawing conclusions . What it does detail is the multiple times Nichols resisted arrest . Had he just submitted to the arrest ; then I would be on board with the charges against the officers .

Your link goes into brutal detail how the cops beat Nichols so badly he died. There was NO valid reason for what they did. The claim that he resisted arrest is totally false. You say you are "not on board with the charges against the officers". How do you explain the police chief immediately firing the cops and charging each one with murder? Is your right-wing pro police link more informed than the Police Chief? Get a grip.

Nichols wasn't resisting arrest. He was trying to avoid blows during the vicious beating the cops gave him.

He resisted arrest. It’s very clear.

Nope. He was twisting around, trying to avoid the blows raining down on him.

Would you just lie there quietly as they pummeled you?

None of that was true initially when he refused to do what they told him to do and then took off running.

He had never been told "what to do". He ran because he wanted to find safety and hopefully get to his mom's house nearby.

Why was he stopped in the first place?

Wreckless driving

Wreckless driving
I'm trying not to laugh! That's the funniest joke you've ever made here.

Had he just submitted to the arrest ; then I would be on board with the charges against the officers .

Ergo, resisting arrest calls for the death penalty in the street by 5 cops brutally beating the resistor. That's the logic of your argument.

The logic of my argument is don't resist arrest . Let the court system decide guilt or innocence. Resisting arrest invites the police to take more aggressive methods to detain .


https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by jlisenbe https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3888909#post3888909)
Wreckless driving



I'm trying not to laugh! That's the funniest joke you've ever made here. And very subtle.

That was indeed why he was pulled over . Had he not resisted then that is where the police involvement would've ended .


You say you are "not on board with the charges against the officers
I never said that .

What I did say was What happened to Nichols was wrong and the police involved were rightly arrested . (number 9)

Resisting arrest invites the police to take more aggressive methods to detain .

To beat the resistor to death?


That was indeed why he was pulled over

There is no evidence of that. Only the police report submitted by 5 murderous cops covering their arse.


Had he not resisted then that is where the police involvement would've ended

Obviously, that is very wrong. He did NOT resist, yet he was beaten to death.

That was indeed why he was pulled over


There is no evidence of that. Only the police report submitted by 5 murderous cops covering their arse.


So they just decided today they would pull over a motorist and beat him .





Had he not resisted then that is where the police involvement would've ended


Obviously, that is very wrong. He did NOT resist, yet he was beaten to death.







The videos released say otherwise He resisted arrest even after tasers and pepper spray were used in an attempt to subdue him .


How do you explain the police chief immediately firing the cops and charging each one with murder?
Clearly they went too far. Yeah a Black Female police chief .Her predecessor was also Black . All the cops involved were Black .Yet we are told the cause is that it is White supremacy .
Goes with the standard narrative that any Black in the system is an Uncle Tom sell out . Black cops are seen as 21st century slave drivers/overseers.

So they just decided today they would pull over a motorist and beat him .

Their reason has not been determined. They were brutal inhuman thugs who may not have had a reason other than to strike fear in the neighborhood.


The videos released say otherwise He resisted arrest even after tasers and pepper spray were used in an attempt to subdue him .

What you are saying is Nichols resisting is actually his attempts to get away from the beating they were giving him. That has been established by those in authority who have reviewed the video.


Clearly they went too far.

Gee, ya think?


Yeah a Black Female police chief .Her predecessor was also Black . All the cops involved were Black .Yet we are told the cause is that it is White supremacy .

I have not heard that anywhere but here.


Goes with the standard narrative that any Black in the system is an Uncle Tom sell out

What is this supposed to mean? WHAT "goes with the standard narrative...".


Black cops are seen as 21st century slave drivers/overseers.

Ridiculous.

Wreckess driving...That was indeed why he was pulled over . Had he not resisted then that is where the police involvement would've ended .

NOT wreckless driving, tomder. That means driving without wrecking. JL meant "reckless driving." They are total opposites.

He was "resisting" -- thrashing around -- in an attempt to avoid being beaten to a pulp by five cops. Watching the tape shows you that this wasn't their first rodeo. They looked as if they were enjoying themselves.

Memphis Police Chief Cerelyn Davis canceled the SCORPION police squad to which the accused officers belonged, saying, "This is not just a professional failing. This is a failing of basic humanity toward another individual."

That means driving without wrecking. JL meant "reckless driving."You are correct. My bad.


He was "resisting" -- thrashing around -- in an attempt to avoid being beaten to a pulp by five cops.Sorry, but that's not true. He absolutely refused to do what they were telling him to do. There was no hitting until after he ran and then still refused to do what they were telling him to do. At least that's how it plainly appeared to me.

To be clear, I'm in no way defending the police. They way, way overreacted. But it's still true that if he had complied to begin with, we would never have heard of the incident. The fact that they had to drag him out of the car makes me wonder if he had been told to exit the car and had refused to do so. It sure looks that way.

"Get out of the car!"
"What have I done???"
Cops open the driver's door and pull him to the pavement, begin beating him.
He thrashes, trying to avoid their blows. He eventually is able to get to his feet and heads toward his mother's house nearby.

Cops open the driver's door and pull him to the pavement, begin beating him.1. They did not begin hitting him at that point. They began trying to get him facedown so he could be cuffed. The video does not show them hitting him until after he ran. It does show him being tazed. 2. Why was his car surrounded by several police cars when they approached his car and dragged him out?

First section of Memphis bodycam release shows Tyre Nichols pulled out of car, tasered - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeI8vdF_-tQ)

Why pull him out of the car and cuff him?

Police frequently cuff suspects until they can get the situation under control.

There was, as yet, no "situation" that needed to be under control.

How do you know that? Were you there? How do you explain the fact that the police had to block his car before he would stop? Why were there so many police there? How on earth does that not qualify as a "situation" that needed to be assessed?

"Get out of the car!"
"What have I done???"
Cops open the driver's door and pull him to the pavement, begin beating him.
He thrashes, trying to avoid their blows. He eventually is able to get to his feet and heads toward his mother's house nearby.

Your description of the actual happening is perfectly accurate. No matter how often you tell it, if someone doesn't want to believe it, they won't believe it.

You can't fix stupid.

You can't fix stupid.Mr. Fake Morality strikes again. You know, the guy that says, "You were warned about replying directly without the snarky comments," and then proceeds to show that his supposed aversion to snarky comments is intended for others, but is a standard he has no ability to meet? Well, it will be another opportunity for WG to ignore the crass behavior of a fellow liberal dem. Perhaps CB can do another whitewash of this quote from Athos while leaving the original post unchanged.

At any rate, I can do no better than suggest a person actually watch the video which differs significantly from WG's biased description.

First section of Memphis bodycam release shows Tyre Nichols pulled out of car, tasered - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JeI8vdF_-tQ)

Just like I described earlier in this thread. The video's caption says: "First section of Memphis bodycam release shows Tyre Nichols pulled out of car, tasered"

Come on, WG. You know better than that. Athos specified what he was referring to which was not accurate. Even worse, the video's caption does not agree with your description. It says nothing about a "beating" and "blows". A little honesty would be nice.


"Get out of the car!"
"What have I done???"
Cops open the driver's door and pull him to the pavement, begin beating him.
He thrashes, trying to avoid their blows. He eventually is able to get to his feet and heads toward his mother's house nearby.

The video shows, during and after pulling Nichols out of his car, the tasing and then, mixed in, the beatings.

Come on, WG. You know better than that. Athos specified what he was referring to which was not accurate. Even worse, the video's caption does not agree with your description. It says nothing about a "beating" and "blows". A little honesty would be nice.

Jilsenbe, are you really trying to justify the polices' action in this case ?

I've only stated several times that I am not at all defending the actions of the police. How many times does it need to be said?


The video shows, during and after pulling Nichols out of his car, the tasing and then, mixed in, the beatings.I watched the video pretty carefully. I don't see any hitting until after the man runs and is chased down. The issue at first is his refusal to allow them to cuff him.

The issue at first is his refusal to allow them to cuff him.
Because they wouldn't tell him why.

Maybe so, but you cooperate with the cops. Afterwards you can file your lawsuit. I still wonder why so many cop cars had converged on that scene, including being blocked in front and back. Makes it look like something above the ordinary was going on.

Maybe so, but you cooperate with the cops.
Even if their actions are unlawful and corrupt ?!

Seem to remember some other countries that expected unwavering obedience to authority.....
Didn't end well for them either.
So much for The Constitution and the freedoms that it secures.

Even if their actions are unlawful and corrupt ?!1. You predictably did not bother to post my entire comment, perhaps because it did not suit your political agenda. You cooperate, and then if needed, "Afterwards you can file your lawsuit." If Nichols had done so, we would never have heard of him. His case would have been handled like thousands of others in the courts.

2. If the police are corrupt, then it is handled legally through court cases and elections. If you understood, "The Constitution and the freedom it secures," then you would know that.

1. You predictably did not bother to post my entire comment
Rather annoying when parts of comments are highlighted and commented on.
What was that saying about pots and kettles....

Show me where I have misrepresented a person's views in the manner you attempted to do and I'll agree with you. I don't think you can. And perhaps that was not your intent, but the answer to your question was already contained in the post you were quoting from. I had said, "you cooperate with the cops. Afterwards you can file your lawsuit." You seized upon, "you cooperate with the cops," and asked, "Even if their actions are unlawful and corrupt ?!" But it seems to me that the answer to your question was right in front of you. "Afterwards you can file your lawsuit." So I don't see the purpose of the question.

In my news feed this afternoon --

"For 14 months, officers from the high-profile Scorpion unit of the Memphis Police Department in Tennessee patrolled city streets with an air of menace, zooming up on targets, jumping out of their Dodge Chargers at a dead run, shouting at people to get out of their vehicles, lie down on the ground.

They did it to Damecio Wilbourn, 28, and his brother as they pulled up to an apartment building last February. They surrounded Davitus Collier, 32, as he went to buy beer for his father in May. And last month, they beat Monterrious Harris, 22, outside an apartment complex, where he said he was waiting to spend time with his cousin.

These and other Scorpion encounters typically began over something minor — a tinted-window violation, a seat-belt infraction, a broken taillight or a cracked windshield — and often resulted in officers finding illegal drugs, unregistered weapons, stolen cars and outstanding warrants. Their tactics could be aggressive, according to interviews and records, with arrestees being subdued by baton, pepper spray, Taser and the brute force of the officers’ fists.

Wilbourn said the Scorpion officers threw him against the car. They chased and eventually pepper sprayed a frightened Collier in the face. And when officers, in balaclavas and hoodies, pulled Harris out of his car, he said, they beat him so severely that he was left with cuts and a black eye."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/muscle-cars-balaclavas-fists-scorpions-175810374.html

And toward the end of the article --

Mike Scholl, a defense lawyer who has had several clients arrested by the unit, said the problem was the officers’ often heavy-handed tactics — some of his clients said they were beaten — and the perception that the Scorpions often seemed to be looking for trouble.

“If they pull you over and nothing is happening, they’ll create something,” Scholl said.