From WG. "What guns would you remove?"

From JL. I think where we are now is the right place.

Our problem is not a gun problem. Our problem is a moral problem.

From WG.
No one needs a weapon of war. Yes, a moral problem (ban shooting-people video games!) and a mental illness problem.







From JL. That's why I said so called "assault weapons". They are not weapons of war; they just look like them.

I don't like the video games either, but there is a lot more to it than that. We cannot continue to violently kill the most innocent and defenseless among us and expect our children to develop any respect for life.

Sometimes I think the mental illness aspect is overblown. What we really have is a family problem. The explosion of out of wedlock births has been devastating. The tendency of more and more men to produce children they have no intention of supporting has been similarly devastating.

The mental illness problem isn't always inherited. For years, I've heard from friends, and especially clients, horror stories about being bullied by family members and classmates, being emotionally and even physically/sexually abused by family members/relatives. All that abuse sets the stage for broken romantic relationships and marriages. And dysfunctional "families" with unwanted children that result.

Healthy families are the answer to much of that.


Who in the US needs a semiautomatic gun?

The person who wants to feel safe in their house. But for that matter, who in the U.S. "needs" a revolver, or a BB gun, or a single shot gun, or a muzzle loader, or a fishing rod, or a skinning knife, or an 8,000 square foot house?

Healthy families are the answer to much of that.
Read Genesis 3. Healthy families are rare, even non-existent.

The person who wants to feel safe in their house.
No need for such a gun.

Read Genesis 3. Healthy families are rare, even non-existent.Only in your world. There are no perfect families, but I have known MANY, MANY healthy families...hundreds of them. I saw their kids in school and church and interacted with the parents.


No need for such a gun.
How do you know that?

Only in your world. There are no perfect families, but I have known MANY, MANY healthy families...hundreds of them. I saw their kids in school and church and interacted with the parents.
Nope, there's always a burr under the saddle.

How do you know that?
A gun, yes. But not an assault type.

Nope, there's.always.a burr under the saddle.That's just silly. Using that standard, there are no physically healthy people. After all, a person might have a cavity, or a scratch, or some hidden, unknown malady. It's just ridiculous to use some standard of perfection. But healthy families??? Yeah, they are out there by the millions.


But not an assault type.It is not legal to own an assault rifle. If you want to discuss this, then you need to educate yourself on the terminology. It's yet another clear indicator that you are, indeed, a liberal dem. Most of them don't know squat about guns.

That's just silly. Using that standard, there are no physically healthy people.
"Physically healthy"???

Yeah. You know, kind of like a physically healthy body? Applying your silly standard of perfection eliminates any possibility of being healthy in any way. It's just nonsense. I'm sorry you are in such a sorry place of the country that there are no healthy families, but they are in abundance here. Not perfect, to be sure, but healthy.

Not perfect, to be sure, but healthy.
The "not perfect" is what I was aiming for.

In post 5 I wrote, "Only in your world. There are no perfect families, but I have known MANY, MANY healthy families...hundreds of them."

There is a vast difference, in my view at least, between unhealthy and imperfect. NFL football players are not physically perfect, but they are certainly not unhealthy.

Morally, emotionally, psychogically imperfect.

And yet still to be regarded, in millions of cases, as healthy. Evidently you blew right past this, but it's as good of an illustration as I can think of.

"NFL football players are not physically perfect, but they are certainly not unhealthy."

The Mona Lisa is not a perfect work of art, so by your standard, it would have to be regarded as sub-standard. Wow. "Look at that artistically imperfect pile of junk! Who painted that???"

This isn't about physical health or perfection.

Children are spanked and otherwise physically punished, loudly berated, humiliated, put down, ignored or at least pushed aside, emotionally scarred by parents, caregivers, teachers -- the adults in their lives.

The comparison between physical health and family health is made to show how inaccurate your standard of perfection is.

Children go through difficulties for sure. Some families are good and some are disasters. Some beat their kids while others refuse to discipline them when a reasonable spanking would be a good thing. Many schools now encourage young boys to consider themselves to be girls and vice versa. Still, most children are raised in reasonably healthy environments.

This comment of yours is the core of this discussion. I consider it to be unspeakably foolish and wrong. In fact, I know it is since I had 36 years of experience of working with thousands of families. You seem to think our population is composed of entirely sorry, stinking families. That just seems far off the chart to me.

"Healthy families are rare, even non-existent."

Even worse, you have no way in the world of knowing that. You can only speak of the relatively tiny group you have experience with.

I haven't said anything about physical health.

Do family counseling for 32 years. Then we'll talk again.

Did you spank/physically punish your own children and your students? (There is no such thing as a "reasonable spanking".)

Many schools now encourage young boys to consider themselves to be girls and vice versa.
That's not true and you know it.

I haven't said anything about physical health. That's been explained to you quite adequately. I just don't know how else to help you.


Do family counseling for 32 years. Then we'll talk Be a school principal for 24 years, and then we'll talk some more.


Did you spank/physically punish your own children and your Yes and yes. As I said, to not spank a child as an error in the same way as beating them.

That's been explained to you quite adequately. I just don't know how else to help you.
Again, your reading comprehension sucks. Physical health is NOT what I've been talking about.


As I said, to not spank a child as an error in the same way as beating them.
Spanking is an absolutely horrible thing to do to a child.

Again, your reading comprehension sucks. Physical health is NOT what I've been talking about.It is sad and funny at the same time. Like I said, I just can't help you with that piece of understanding.


Spanking is an absolutely horrible thing to do to a child.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even the lady who is convinced that healthy families no longer exist.

It is sad and funny at the same time. Like I said, I just can't help you with that piece of understanding.
Do tell me, wise sir. What are you talking about?

Everyone is entitled to an opinion, even the lady who is convinced that healthy families no longer exist.
Talk honestly and caringly to children. Amazing what you'll find out about "healthy" families.

Do tell me, wise sir. What are you talking about? Already explained it two or three times. It's just not registering on you. Read the first sentence of post 15 again VERY CAREFULLY. Hopefully it'll dawn on you.


Talk honestly and caringly to children. Amazing what you'll find out about "healthy" I made a career of doing that.

Already explained it two or three times. It's just not registering on you. Read the first sentence of post 15 again VERY CAREFULLY. Hopefully it'll dawn on you.
What are you thinking is my standard of perfection? (We apparently are having two different conversations here. I have never mentioned physical health.)

I made a career of doing that.
No spankings given?

I have never mentioned physical health.I give up. I can only say to read post 15 a dozen or so times until it sinks in.


No spankings given?Already answered that in post 18. Are you tired today???

Spankings are NEVER a good or appropriate punishment. There are much better ways to deal with a naughty child.

And that's your opinion, but you also believe that there are no healthy families and that a man can become a woman. Still, you are welcome to your ideas. For me, I have seen the great results from the proper use of spankings in many thousands of children and the poor results from lack of discipline or, for that matter, over discipline. So when you say it is NEVER good or appropriate, I know you are simply wrong. Yes, there are other methods and a spanking should be reserved for a genuinely serious situation such as an outright refusal to do as the child is told or repeated disrespect. We spanked our children perhaps six or eight times total for the two of them, but we didn't wait until they were ten years old to start working with them.

And those spanked children carry anger and resentment to their graves.

There are much better ways to train and discipline a child.

No, they don't. I was spanked and I'm not mad about it. My children are not mad about it. My former students are not mad about it. Most children understand that misbehavior has consequences. I've seen far too many of hundreds of cases to believe your statement.

a man can become a woman
You're four years old. Your body is male, the result of testosterone at work on your embryo/fetal body during pregnancy. You think like a female, the result of too much estrogen and progesterone being active in the embryonic brain. You believe you ARE female and experience severe dysphoria when forced to live as a male.

My children are not mad about it. My former students are not mad about it. Most children understand that misbehavior has consequences.
And those spanked children, as grownups, have told me very sad stories. They certainly won't tell YOU how angry they were and often still are.

Misbehavior does not merit physical punishment. That doesn't teach anything except the adult has the power and the ability to inflict pain.

You're four years old. Your body is male, the result of testosterone at work on your embryo body during pregnancy. You think like a female, the result of too much estrogen and progesterone being active in the embryonic brain. You believe you ARE female and experience severe dysphoria when forced to live as a male.There is no science to support this. It's just the result of your vivid imagination.

You are simply wrong about spankings. I certainly would know if I was angry, wouldn't I? I have actually spoken with many students years later who told me about getting spanked by me. They laugh about it in remembrance. But then I didn't go overboard with it. That makes a big difference.

Now bullying is an entirely different matter. So is assault by other students or other actions carried out just from meanness with an intent to embarrass. My students and children understood the difference. It's unfortunate that you cannot.

I'll add one more thing. In my school experience, the vast majority of students did not get paddled. A word of correction was generally sufficient. There were a few students that spankings did not work on. If I paddled a student two or three times over the course of a couple of months, then I knew that was not going to work and we tried something else. Thankfully, that was very much the exception.

There is no science to support this. It's just the result of your vivid imagination.
Study the science during pregnancy, O teacher.

You are simply wrong about spankings. I certainly would know if I was angry, wouldn't I? I have actually spoken with many students years later who told me about getting spanked by me. They laugh about it in remembrance. But then I didn't go overboard with it. That makes a big difference.
They laugh because they don't want to anger you. Spanking is totally useless, doesn't teach anybody anything except to be more subtle and clever next time.

Study the science during pregnancy, O teacher.That's what you always say when you know you have nothing. You have become so predictable. "Hey, will you please do some research to find support for the false statement I just made?" I thought you were a wizard on the web? Why can't you find support yourself? Huh?

BTW, I have studied the science during pregnancy. It's you that hasn't.


They laugh because they don't want to anger you.

What a high opinion you have of yourself. You know why people do things that you haven't even met and are hundreds of miles away when the conversation takes place. Spankings work very well when used properly. I have seen that hundreds and hundreds of times. Sorry, but you are wrong and too proud to admit it.

You refuse to believe anything I post about the trans situation. Please do your own honest research.

Sorry, Charlie. I've listened to friends and relatives all my life. They were spanked as childen and teens. Of course, they will smile in the face of the spanker and hop-to when orders are given. What else dare they do?

You refuse to believe anything I post about the trans situationIt's because all you post is your own unsupported opinion. For someone who has bragged repeatedly about how proficient you are on the web, you sure aren't getting the job done.

Well, they don't "hop to" when they are thirty years old and talking to me about how much they enjoyed school. You just don't know what you are talking about. I'm sure you have dealt with those who were improperly disciplined, but that can happen with everything. The solution is to discipline correctly. When that is done, the results are terrific. As I've said, I've seen it hundreds of times, and far too many to believe your opinions.

I have posted science but you spit on my posts. I am good friends with at least four Tgirls, as they call themselves, and with another friend at the beginning of transition. I know their histories and what happened during transitioning.

Spanking may produce results but also hidden resentment.

How does one, according to you, "discipline correctly"?

Wow! You are really getting conned by former students!

Oh? You are good friends? Well then that settles it…not! That tells you nothing about fetal brain development. Do the research or just drop this fairy tale.

Wow do you have an inflated opinion of yourself to be able to know such things about conversations you are not a part of!! Sorry, but I am not constrained by your preconceived notions.

Oh? You are good friends? Well then that settles it…not! That tells you nothing about fetal brain development. Do the research or just drop this fairy tale.
They have been thru gender therapy, counseling, HRT, living as a woman, phalloplasty and metoidioplasty, dressing and grooming, perhaps legally changing one's name, etc. -- about 5-7 years or more of transitioning.

Wow do you have an inflated opinion of yourself to be able to know such things about conversations you are not a part of!! Sorry, but I am not constrained by your preconceived notions.
Yes, I've been told by the grown children that the parent or teacher has no clue how much those spankings destroyed them.

You have shown nothing about fetal brain development. The rest is just window dressing. Based on your past remarks it might not even be true.

you have talked to people. I have talked to people. Here we are. I guess the difference is that I don’t imagine I know all about your conversations.

You have shown nothing about fetal brain development. The rest is just window dressing. Based on your past remarks it might not even be true.
Yes, I did. Am not interested in finding that thread that is probably lost in history. I remember you screamed loudly at what Athos and I had posted. This topic is very easy to google. Try it.

you have talked to people. I have talked to people. Here we are. I guess the difference is that I don’t imagine I know all about your conversations.
You know nothing. And the victim will rarely tell the truth to the perp (you) -- but will tell an empathic third party (me).

At any rate, when my students grow up by the hundreds to be fine people who do not need the services of a lib dem counselor, and they talk positively about their school time, then I’m happy with that.

And again, you know nothing and expect someone else to do your work. Pitiful.

No threads here are lost in history. I find your comments regularly as you have found to your sorrow. For a self-proclaimed whiz, it should be easy. Yes?

You just want to rant and even scream. I have better things to do.

Oh please. No one here is ranting and screaming. At any rate, good night. If you ever come up with any support for your fetal brain development idea, be sure to post it.

It's late and I'm not tired, so I decided to look up the material. This is what a pro-trans site says. Note the many uncertain modifiers I highlighted. It's obvious that no one really knows.


There are medical theories about why people are transgender. Some speculate that fluctuations or imbalances in hormones or the use of certain medications during pregnancy may cause intersex or transgender conditions. Other research indicates that there are links between transgender identity and brain structure.

NCTE_UnderstandingTrans.pdf (transequality.org) (https://transequality.org/sites/default/files/docs/resources/NCTE_UnderstandingTrans.pdf#:~:text=There%20are%20 medical%20theories%20about%20why%20people%20are,ar e%20links%20between%20transgender%20identity%20and %20brain%20structure.)

It certainly lends no meaningful support to the hormones and the fetal brain idea.

Excerpt:

"The precise cause of gender transition is unknown. However current research into gender identity and sexual orientation point towards processes before birth as being responsible.

A person's biological sex is determined during the conception process when an ovum is fertilized by one very lucky spermatozoon, and a zygote is produced normally with either an XY sex chromosome pair for a male, or XX pair for a female.

The bodies of all embryos start off as female."

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/religioustolerance/2018/01/des-transgender/

"The precise cause of gender transition is unknown. However current research into gender identity and sexual orientation point towards processes before birth as being responsible.I assume you did read the first sentence here. If you are familiar with reading scientific literature, you know that expressions such as "point towards", or even the "However" at the front of the sentence, indicate that which is theory and far from proven fact.

From another site. Especially note the final sentence. The point in all of this, of course, is that your idea about hormones affecting the fetal brain is just that...an idea. You are welcome to it, but you cannot definitively state that it is the cause. That is my disagreement with you. It MIGHT be a factor. That's as far as you can go.


It was traditionally thought to be a psychiatric condition meaning a mental ailment. Now there is evidence that the disease may not have origins in the brain alone.
Studies suggest that gender dysphoria may have biological causes associated with the development of gender identity before birth.
More research is needed before the causes of gender dysphoria can be fully understood.

Causes of Gender Dysphoria (news-medical.net) (https://www.news-medical.net/health/Causes-of-Gender-Dysphoria.aspx)