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tomder55
Dec 17, 2021, 03:49 AM
Holly came from Miami, F.L.A.
Hitch-hiked her way across the U.S.A.
Plucked her eyebrows on the way
Shaved her legs and then he was a she
She says, "Hey babe, take a walk on the wild side"
Said, "Hey honey, take a walk on the wild side" (Lou Reed 'Walk on the Wild Side')

A transformer at the University of Pennsylvania who competed as a man until his senior year decided that he was a she. He then proceeded to dominate at the Zippy Invitational woman's swimming Event in Akron, Ohio ;smashing 2 woman's swimming records ;and one event record in the process. His wins qualifies him to compete in the women's national championships in March.

Over the course of the season he has smashed U Penn records .

Parents of women he competed against are understandably outraged . Thier daughters worked their a$$ off for years to be able to compete at that level .How is this possibly fair ?

jlisenbe
Dec 17, 2021, 05:12 AM
His kind of case is going to prove to be an interesting point of conflict between two beloved liberal causes. On the one hand you have the TG crowd, and on the other hand will be the feminists.

It's just a sign of the general dullness of our times that a person can walk around with male sex organs and XY sex chromosomes and yet compete in women's athletics for no more legitimate reason than he claims to be a woman. Romans chapter one explains it all.

tomder55
Dec 17, 2021, 05:51 AM
Maybe in the woke intersectionality world where more and more oppressions are identified, there is such a thing as too inclusive? It becomes an insane self-cannibalizing circular firing squad that a casual observer could find fun to watch if it did not impact American society so much. For the woke progressive the dilemma is which oppressed group to support and /or identify with.

jlisenbe
Dec 17, 2021, 05:55 AM
I have some sympathy for the woke crowd. It can be a good thing to stand up for justice and fairness. Their problem is that they are far too often standing against free speech and statues. Their non-thinking brand of social awareness is what makes them objectionable.

tomder55
Dec 17, 2021, 12:21 PM
South Dakota governor Kristi Noem has announced a bill that would restrict participation in female sports to biological women at the collegiate and grade school levels.

tomder55
Dec 20, 2021, 04:36 AM
This article about the cancelling of JK Rowling speaks for itself .

She who shall not be named - spiked (spiked-online.com) (https://www.spiked-online.com/2021/12/18/she-who-shall-not-be-named/)

tomder55
Dec 20, 2021, 02:46 PM
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tomder55
Jan 9, 2022, 10:26 AM
Why does the feminist movement put up with the misogyny of the LGBTXYZ woke movement ?

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 12:42 PM
Why does the feminist movement put up with the misogyny of the LGBTXYZ woke movement ?
There is no such thing.

tomder55
Jan 9, 2022, 02:16 PM
Feminist movement ? Yes evidently since the new movement debases womanhood and extended it's benefits to anyone biologically male or female who claims to be a woman. Being female isn’t a biological fact but an identity that anyone can be. It gives men permission to say to women: We can be women, too. It is a form of female erasure.

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 02:30 PM
Feminist movement ? Yes evidently since the new movement debases womanhood and extended it's benefits to anyone biologically male or female who claims to be a woman. Being female isn’t a biological fact but an identity that anyone can be. It gives men permission to say to women: We can be women, too. It is a form of female erasure.
You have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. There's no "claiming to be a woman". It isn't "an identity anyone can be." Study the science!

tomder55
Jan 9, 2022, 02:58 PM
Biological differences between the sexes are real. Those differences make it possible for us to exist. That is the science ,

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 03:16 PM
Biological differences between the sexes are real. Those differences make it possible for us to exist. That is the science ,
There are MANY biological differences! What you see on the outside isn't necessarily the real gender.

tomder55
Jan 9, 2022, 03:29 PM
so I'll put you down as a Judith Butler feminist who argues that biological differences are a binary construct of oppression . Gender is to be chosen . That by not recognizing biological realities, “the culturally constructed body will then be liberated, neither to its ‘natural’ past, nor to its original pleasures, but to an open future of cultural possibilities.”

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 03:32 PM
lol so I'll put you down as a Judith Butler feminist who argues that biological differences are a binary construct of oppression . Gender is to be chosen .
One does NOT choose gender!!! Haven't you ever taken biology in school? Good grief!

tomder55
Jan 9, 2022, 03:40 PM
That is what you support in buying into these transformers saying like Simone de Beauvoir that “one is not born, but rather becomes, a woman.” ('The Second Sex').

Butler says that anyone who argued for sex-based rights ,and exclusive spaces such as women’s prisons, rape crisis centers,is a fascist. In other words all the advances that women have made are wiped out by the notion that anyone who choses to identify as a woman is one .

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 03:40 PM
How strange it is for a person to say, "There are MANY biological differences! What you see on the outside isn't necessarily the real gender," and then suggest to someone else to, "Study the science." That after making a statement for which there is no support in science.

The difference between men and women, which is true from the moment of conception, is whether the person has XX or XY sex chromosomes. The men are born with male sex organs, and the women with female sex organs. All of that is unarguably true. And yet somehow we are to, "Study the science." It is just such a strange suggestion. It's similar to a person saying 4 plus 4 equals 8, and then being told he needs to, "Study the math."

Strange.

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 04:49 PM
"The men are born with male sex organs, and the women with female sex organs" -- that's the part you can see. And XX and XY are not the only combinations.

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 05:12 PM
They essentially are. The few exception are rightly seen as genetic abnormalities, and they certainly have nothing to do with TG.

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 05:30 PM
They essentially are. The few exception are rightly seen as genetic abnormalities, and they certainly have nothing to do with TG.
Of course they do. Even indigenous peoples have recognized those they call Two-Spirit.

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 05:34 PM
No, they don’t.

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 05:37 PM
One's sexual orientation and gender identity lie on a wide spectrum.

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 05:46 PM
Even if that is true, it has nothing to do with abnormalities involving sex chromosomes.

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 05:54 PM
A transgender woman can have XY chromosomes. Klinefelter syndrome is a condition that occurs in males when they have an extra X chromosome. It's not inherited, but usually occurs as a random event during the formation of reproductive cells (eggs and sperm) that results in the presence of one extra copy of the X chromosome in each cell (47 XXY).

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 06:25 PM
Your first statement is obvious and yet proves nothing. The second statement is true but not related to TG.

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 06:39 PM
Your first statement is obvious and yet proves nothing. The second statement is true but not related to TG.
Go to your local public library and do research. Make a few transgender friends who will tell you their stories and the science behind it all.

(One of my transgender woman friends spent much of her adult life as a very unhappy man, was married, had two children. Was severely dysphoric, and doctors discovered Klinefelter syndrome. After HRT, gender counseling, and GCS, she now is very happy. Another friend is just starting down this road.)

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 08:02 PM
Go to your local public library and do research. Make a few transgender friends who will tell you their stories and the science behind it all.I thought perhaps you could explain the science. I guess not. I've already done my reading on it. You must remember that I'm a certified biology teacher.

As to your second paragraph, mental illness is a sad situation. I have no doubt you mean well, but I would never tell a man that his idea he is a woman is valid idea. Perhaps you could tell them that Jesus Christ is still changing lives.

Sometimes we need a laugh.
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Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 08:12 PM
I thought perhaps you could explain the science. I guess not. I've already done my reading on it. You must remember that I'm a certified biology teacher.
From the '50s?

As to your second paragraph, mental illness is a sad situation. I have no doubt you mean well, but I would never tell a man that his idea he is a woman is valid idea. Perhaps you could tell them that Jesus Christ is still changing lives.
Mental illness is not a problem. She was an EMT and ER nurse, among other medical jobs. And she is very beautiful inside and outside. If you make it to heaven, we'll introduce you to the others.

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 08:22 PM
If you don't know the science, and you don't, then it would be best to just admit it. And as anyone familiar with science knows, anecdotal accounts don't count for much.

Seems sad to me that a woman who confesses to be a believer would not tell someone that Jesus still changes lives. I've seen it many times.

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 08:26 PM
I do know the science. You don't. I did give you Klinefelter syndrome. Want to chat with a few transgender women (and men) or their doctors? I'll find some for you in your area.

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 08:27 PM
You didn't comment on the dinosaurs comic!!

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 08:29 PM
According to you, dinosaurs never existed.

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 08:32 PM
I do know the science. You don't. I did give you Klinefelter syndrome.Thank you for verifying you DON'T know the science. KS has no real connection with TG. It's just a shot in the dark for you. It's a swag.


According to you, dinosaurs never existed.What?

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 09:06 PM
Thank you for verifying you DON'T know the science. KS has no real connection with TG. It's just a shot in the dark for you. It's a swag.
Nope. No shot in the dark. Ask a few doctors who have transgender patients. There are very probably LGBTQ+ people in your extended and even immediate family. There are in mine and in many friends' families.

jlisenbe
Jan 9, 2022, 09:19 PM
Dear, dear WG. Anecdotal stories amount to nothing. I know dozens and dozens of men who struggle with addiction, but that doesn't make addiction normal or desirable. Many people struggle with porn, but porn is not good or desirable. Your constant theme of, "Oh! I know some TG people! They say they're normal," proves nothing at all.

Saying KS has a link to TG is flat wrong. You just don't know what you're talking about. Sorry. This link will help you. Note that there is no mention of a link to TG.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/condition/klinefelter+syndrome?ocid=entnewsntp

Wondergirl
Jan 9, 2022, 09:25 PM
Wow! How you misinterpret what I write, just like you misinterpret the Bible!

jlisenbe
Jan 10, 2022, 05:17 AM
Wow! Don't feel too bad, WG. You did try.

tomder55
Jan 10, 2022, 05:52 AM
Barbara Kay: Diluting the meaning of 'woman,' to appease transgender activists, is misogyny | National Post (https://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-transwomen-deserve-respect-but-they-arent-women)

waltero
Jan 10, 2022, 12:58 PM
One does NOT choose gender!!! This must go right along with - "One does not choose one’s gender; it chooses them."
Poppycock!

There was a time when it was (Jr/High school) - "In to be gay."
Oh, I say, I say, I was born that way...So you'd better believe it!
We are all "Born that way". The only difference being...Sin is in!!!

tomder55
Jan 27, 2022, 08:22 AM
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tomder55
Oct 21, 2022, 04:33 AM
The State Dept is footing $20,000 grant monopoly bucks to El Salvador . The purpose of this grant is to fund ;given to Centro Ecuatoriano Norteamericano (CEN) for the purpose of “promote diversity and inclusion” ;will fund Drag Theater performances .The grant according to USAspending.gov began September 30 and will run through to August 31, 2023 It will allow CEN, to "host 3 workshops, 12 drag theater performances, and produce a 2 minute documentary."

GRANT to CENTRO ECUATORIANO NORTEAMERICANO DE CUENCA | USAspending (https://www.usaspending.gov/award/ASST_NON_SEC30022GR0006_1900)

CEN has been awarded a total of $57,200 from the federal government .

That meanie Lauren is demanding that the State Dept stop funding Drag performances .

Lauren Boebert demands cutting State Department funds over tiny grant for drag show - LGBTQ Nation (https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/10/lauren-boebert-demands-cutting-state-department-funds-tiny-grant-drag-show/)

Gotta give the progressives credit . They are exporting their deviancy around the world .

tomder55
Jun 16, 2023, 02:01 AM
A win for J.K. Rowling


Harry Potter author J.K. Rowling had a scathing comment about John Hopkins University’s definition of the term “lesbian” in their online LGBTQ glossary.
The elite institute’s liberal Diversity & Inclusion Gender & Sexuality Resources webpage defined a Lesbian as “a non-man attracted to non-men.”
The woke woman erasing meaning also noted that “While past definitions refer to ‘lesbian’ as a woman who is emotionally, romantically, and/or sexually attracted to other women, this updated definition includes non-binary people who may also identify with the label.”.....

Rowling called out the private Baltimore college for essentially erasing women.


She was not alone . John Hopkins got the message

The backlash against the updated definition was so harsh, that the university took the entire glossary off of their website on Tuesday.
University Removes ‘Non-Men’ Definition For Woman After Backlash From J.K. Rowling – American Entertainment News (https://americanentertainmentnews.com/celebrities/2023/06/15/university-removes-non-men-definition-for-woman-after-backlash-from-j-k-rowling/jack-crane/)

jlisenbe
Jun 16, 2023, 05:10 AM
So a person can be a lesbian and yet not be a woman?

We have moved into a new world.

Wondergirl
Jun 16, 2023, 06:51 AM
So a person can be a lesbian and yet not be a woman?

We have moved into a new world.
Nope. You're confused about identities.

jlisenbe
Jun 16, 2023, 07:11 AM
It's the incredible stupidity of this age that it cannot even arrive at what it is to be a woman.

tomder55
Jun 25, 2023, 04:41 AM
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tomder55
Jul 9, 2023, 01:09 PM
clearly in the Netherlands they can't tell the difference

Miss Netherlands 2023: Rikkie Valerie Kolle Becomes FIRST Transgender Model To Win Prestigious Title | Entertainment News, Times Now (timesnownews.com) (https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/miss-netherlands-2023-rikkie-valerie-kolle-becomes-first-transgender-model-to-win-prestigious-title-article-101616888)

This truly is a post -Truth world .

tomder55
Jul 11, 2023, 04:19 AM
So where are the feminists objecting to another case of a man appropriating women's achievement ? Allowing a man to compete in a women’s contest denies a woman that place in the competition.

tomder55
Jul 11, 2023, 05:25 AM
Left is the male pretender who won
Right is the runner up
The fraudster who won now goes on to the Miss Universe competition.
Organizers should ban him from competing

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he sorta looks like Mick Jagger in drag

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jlisenbe
Jul 11, 2023, 05:30 AM
Please tell me this is a joke.