I have mixed loyalties . My family is mostly Navy . But I lived near West Point for years and the cadets were my local college team.

Navy won

Clueless Joe did not attend the game . Presidents don't attend every game . But every President since Truman has attended the game except Ike . He played in the game as a cadet but never attended it as President .

What is peculiar about Clueless Joe not attending is the purported reason for him skipping the game . Word is out that he did not go because he did not want to hear the chants of 'Let's Go Brandon' . and FJB

And his attendance plus his laughing, cheering response each time would have been a perfect ploy!

Well we already know his minions will do what they can to prevent him from such exposure . The compliant press let him get away with a campaign from his basement. Peppermint Patty Psaki continuously lies on his behalf. Now we know that Clueless Joe's propagandists have contacted the compliant press demanding that they give a positive spin to all the bad news . Don Lemon of Commie News Network ;who did not report his involvement in the Jusse Smollett case , gushed over pennies reduction in the gas prices .
Don Lemon praises gas prices after WH asks for 'favorable' coverage (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/12/09/don-lemon-praises-biden-admins-work-on-gas-prices/)

The compliant press let him get away with a campaign from his basement.
It was early-on during the pandemic. We all were supposed to lay low. His basement was finished and very livable. He was lying low. A good example!

It was not early in the pandemic. After he was nominated, he had 2 months in the campaign season that was 7 months after the pandemic started. EVERY other candidate for all offices on the ticket managed to meet and greet constituents; and engage with the press. His convention speech was delivered to a near empty room in Delaware. His remarks after being declared President were given to a parking lot full of honking cars.

He would never have gotten away with that without the compliant press giving him cover Slime Magazine bragged about the cabal that rigged the election.

He still gets away with it. He just had a virtual summit with Putin (who ate Clueless Joe's lunch) .

It was not early in the pandemic. After he was nominated, he had 2 months in the campaign season that was 7 months after the pandemic started. EVERY other candidate for all offices on the ticket managed to meet and greet constituents; and engage with the press.
And who got covid and nearly died?

Please don't tell me you are going to say that Trump nearly died from Covid.

Please don't tell me you are going to say that Trump nearly died from Covid.
Reports say he was very, very sick. And yes, he could have died.

All of that, as I understand it, came from one wildly speculative book. There is nothing official to support it. He spent 3 nights in Walter Reed and came home. Doesn't sound like coming close to dying to me, but he did become fairly sick.

irrelevant Trump campaigned..... Clueless Joe did not because he did not have to because he had the compliant press covering his a$$ ,

All of that, as I understand it, came from one wildly speculative book. There is nothing official to support it. He spent 3 nights in Walter Reed and came home. Doesn't sound like coming close to dying to me, but he did become fairly sick.
There were reports at the time plus occasionally since then. He hates to appear weak so refused to allow the truth to be told.

Reports from who?

Reports from who?
I didn't save them. I remember medical people scurrying around, then finally got him into the hospital after making him take in oxygen. His oxygen level was only in the 80s, I remember. (Oxygen saturation is one if my hematologist's concerns. Thankfully, my level is always above 96%.)

A person kind of remembering she heard some things does not equate to a man almost dying. He was ill for certain, and that much is certainly true, but I see no reason to believe he nearly died.

I see no reason to believe he nearly died.
He's obese and out of shape and has a horrible diet. Covid loves people like that.

How do you explain Clueless Joe making a virtual appearance on the Late Show ? It is well past the early-on pandemic . He is double vaxed and had a booster ; and wears masks everywhere . Even when he is in a live setting he sits 10 feet or more away from direct contact . The reality is that he is carefully controlled and does not make his own calls . He is told what to say and when to say it

Fallon of course did his job,which was to offer the president a friendly national platform without challenging him in any capacity.Clueless repeated his oft told lie that Build Brandon Better will not cost anything. Fallon did his cheerleader act telling Clueless that he's "bringing class back to the presidency." On the same day that we were told that inflation had reached a 40 year high ;Clueless did not speak to a serious journalist .He sought the shelter of a late night comic .

He's obese and out of shape and has a horrible diet. Covid loves people like that.You have no idea what his diet is. As for the rest, that is still no indication he nearly died. You just went way overboard with that one.

You have no idea what his diet is.
As president, McDonald's was on his daily meal order. And if his oxygen reading was really in the 80s (thus the oxygen tank he used before being hospitalized), he was sinking quickly -- thus the rush to the hospital.

And if his oxygen reading was really in the 80s"If". Biggest word in the world.


As president, McDonald's was on his daily meal orderYou know this how?

The problem you and I frequently have is simple. You make these huge statements on the extreme order of, "The president was about to die!!!" But when you need to support those statements, we get "ifs" and conjecture about McDonalds. That's not to say you might not be right. It's possible, but not much more than just guesswork.

Where did the reports of his condition come from ? What doctor violated HIPPA ?
He left Walter Reed 3 days after admission. How sick could he have been? Either that or the therapeutic cocktail is very effective as advertised. His doctor confirmed that he oxygen level dropped 2 points . Whether that is significant I can't say.

Where did the reports of his condition come from ? What doctor violated HIPPA ?
He left Walter Reed 3 days after admission. How sick could he have been? Either that or the therapeutic cocktail is very effective as advertised. His doctor confirmed that he oxygen level dropped 2 points . Whether that is significant I can't say.
It's HIPAA, not HIPPA. There were all sorts of reports coming out of the WH when he got sick. And if he was admitted to Walter Reed HOSPITAL, that alone says a lot about how bad it was. His oxygen level had dropped far more than two points. Two is nothing. He was hooked up to an oxygen tank already in the WH. He was one sick puppy!

It's HIPAA, not HIPPA. There were all sorts of reports coming out of the WH when he got sick. And if he was admitted to Walter Reed HOSPITAL, that alone says a lot about how bad it was. His oxygen level had dropped far more than two points. Two is nothing. He was hooked up to an oxygen tank already in the WH. He was one sick puppy!Uhm...you need some documentation or you have nothing more than opinion. His doc said his O2 level dropped two points. You claim to know more than his doc. There are "all sorts of reports" coming out now that JB is mentally diminished. Do you accept those?

There are "all sorts of reports" coming out now that JB is mentally diminished. Do you accept those?
Yes. I watch him. I listen to him. Some of it is because of his longtime stuttering problem, but some of it is because of his advanced age. Although...my 92 y/o uncle in-law could mop up the floor with him. One positive: Biden IS still quite handsome!

Thanks for the acronym correction But the question remains. What doctor or provider in Walter Reed violated the disclosure provisions of the HIPAA law ? "all sorts of reports " doesn't cut it . Not when his own doctor disputes it , What do we know ? He was admitted to Walter Reed and spent a few days there. He was given therapeutics and then was released. Everything else is speculation .

What we also know is that TRump had a full campaign schedule before and after while Clueless lounged in his basement while the compliant press ran cover for him ;and a cabal rigged the election for him according to Slime Magazine

The Secret Bipartisan Campaign That Saved the 2020 Election | Time (https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/)

One positive: Biden IS still quite handsome!Can you document that?

Kidding.

Thanks for the acronym correction But the question remains. What doctor or provider in Walter Reed violated the disclosure provisions of the HIPAA law ?
WH aides et al. were quite forthcoming back then, partly because of fear. It was common knowledge that Trump was getting oxygen while still at the WH. If he was so hunky-dory healthy, why bother hauling him over to Walter Reed? I guess I should put on my librarian hat and dig out reports from back then.

Is it ok if I don’t hold my breath???

Kidding…again.

Is it ok if I don’t hold my breath???
Sure. Breathe deeply. Covid germs are everywhere, though.

I'll save you the trouble . It was in Mark Meadows book. Trump has denied it and no one else has corraborated Meadows account .

I'll save you the trouble . It was in Mark Meadows book. Trump has denied it and no one else has corraborated Meadows account .
Nope. That's the thing very visible in your rearview mirror right now. There were reports from WH aides et al. back when Trump got sick with covid. Which news source will you accept as a link?

I don't accept any news that quotes an "anonymous source" like a WH Aide or "unnamed people familiar with his condition." or an unnamed person “close to the president” as the Slimes reported at the time . I quoted Meadows because he put his name to the story. Trump's doctor, Sean Conley told reporters at a news conference that Trump's blood oxygen levels had dropped, but he never said they went into the 80s.

Trump's doctor, Sean Conley told reporters at a news conference that Trump's blood oxygen levels had dropped, but he never said they went into the 80s.
If Trump was hauled off to a hospital, his oxygen level was of great concern. Below 90. Trust me -- been there.

I guess I should put on my librarian hat and dig out reports from back then.We eagerly await your results. You'll need to do a lot better than, "Below 90. Trust me -- been there." Also bear in mind that an article from "Redbook" is not going to do much for your cause.

This could all be easily resolved. No one disagrees with you that Trump was sick, and sick enough to be in the hospital for three nights. It's your claim that he nearly died that is in dispute. You could simply admit you overstated the case and the argument would be done. I would encourage you to do so.

As I asked hours ago, "Which news source will you accept as a link?" Y'all are so picky.

Already been answered by Tom. "I don't accept any news that quotes an "anonymous source" like a WH Aide or "unnamed people familiar with his condition." or an unnamed person “close to the president” as the Slimes reported at the time . I quoted Meadows because he put his name to the story. Trump's doctor, Sean Conley told reporters at a news conference that Trump's blood oxygen levels had dropped, but he never said they went into the 80s."

Seems pretty clear to me.

We eagerly await your results.
But my results have to fit within your narrow borders. I get it.

"...but he never said they went into the 80s." And he can't say, because of HIPAA, that it was in the 80s or low 90s. If Trump was being fed oxygen while still at the WH, AND taken to the hospital, his oxy sat was dangerously low.

narrow borders.Yeah. Truth is funny that way. Anyone accustomed to wearing a "librarian hat" should already know that. Yes?

According to Meadows ,Trump was
"sitting up in bed in his T-shirt, and it didn't look like he was going anywhere.""It was the first time I had seen him in anything other than a golf shirt or a suit jacket," Meadows wrote, adding that Trump acted like it was any other day and tried to work."The red streaks in the president's eyes hadn't gone away, and his hair was a mess from the hours he'd spent getting Regeneron in bed," he wrote. Meadows said he had arranged for four doses of the monoclonal antibody drug to be sent to the White House in secret and got approval from the FDA for the President to receive the treatment Trump initially resisted being taken to the hospital but relented when Meadows told him that "it's better that you walk out of here today under your own strength, your own power, than for me to have to carry you out on a gurney in two days."
When he went to walk to the helicopter that would transport him to Walter Reed, Trump could not hold a briefcase, the weight of which was" too much for him," according to Meadows.
"He looked at me, almost surprised he had to put it down. 'I'm sorry,' he said. 'I-I just can't carry that out there,'" Meadows wrote.


Trump's blood oxygen levels were at a 'dangerously low level' during 2020 Covid-19 diagnosis, ex-chief of staff says - CNNPolitics (https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/07/politics/trump-covid-diagnosis-mark-meadows-book/index.html)

Meadows is the only eyewitness report I trust so far because no one else has come forth by name to dispute it except Trump himself who disputes Meadows' contention that he tested positive before the debate . No where does he suggest that Trump was hooked up to oxygen before going to Walter Reed . He walked out of the WH in a weakened state and had a 3 days stay in the hospital. The 25th amendment was not invoked as it would've been had he been in the state you suggest .

Trump tried to work through his illness. Clueless was afforded the luxury of having days off ;and sometimes up to a week off before , between ,and after public events during the campaign because he had the cover of the compliant press and the cabal of election riggers .

That article does confirm a low blood ox reading. Wonder why WG was unable to find that link? This was especially telling.


...now dipped down to about 86 percent and could be trending lower, a dangerously low level for someone his age," Meadows wrote in his book "The Chief's Chief" which was published Tuesday.



The New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/06/us/politics/trump-covid-blood-oxygen.html) was the first to report on the new details from Meadows' book. They also reported (https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/11/us/politics/trump-coronavirus.html) in February that Trump was sicker with Covid-19 than originally reported with "extremely depressed blood oxygen levels at one point."

Interesting that Meadows characterized Trump's ox levels as "dangerously low", while the ever shrill Times called it "extremely depressed". But one way or the other, there is no indication there that Trump came anywhere near death.

Did you also put on a "librarian hat" to find that material?

I never disputed low oxygen level . I have seen nothing to suggest that he was near death or hooked up to oxygen in the WH . His doctor said in a news conference that it was 94% and that Trump received oxygen in Walter Reed .

11:50 p.m. ET, October 3, 2020

White House chief of staff says Trump's
blood oxygen level "dropped rapidly" Friday morning

From CNN’s Jason Hoffman
In an interview with Fox News, White House chief of staff Mark Meadows offered an upbeat assessment of Donald Trump's current status but revealed the President's oxygen level had “dropped rapidly” Friday morning.

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On Sunday, Conley admitted having misled reporters in a press briefing the previous day when he insisted that the president had not been given supplemental oxygen. He revealed that Trump was put on oxygen on Friday morning after worrying signs emerged, and that Conley had not reported the development because he did not want to spoil the “upbeat attitude” of the president and his medical team.

“Late Friday morning when I returned to the bedside, President had a high fever and his oxygen saturation was transiently dipping below 94%."

Asked why he earlier denied the president had been put on oxygen, Conley responded: “I was trying to reflect the upbeat attitude that the team, the president, the course of illness, has had.”
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/oct/04/trump-coronavirus-oxygen-condition-doctors-white-house

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Trump Has Been Given Oxygen

October 3, 2020 at 1:43 pm EDT By Taegan Goddard (https://politicalwire.com/author/tdg/) 231 Comments (https://politicalwire.com/2020/10/03/trump-has-been-given-oxygen/#disqus_thread)

President Trump “was administered oxygen at the White House on Friday before he was transported to the military hospital,” the AP (https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-virus-outbreak-donald-trump-elections-campaigns-08fcfd3778ca3bbabd011307cf23dc8d?utm_source=Twitte r&utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_medium=AP) reports.
His doctor refused to answer questions (https://politicalwire.com/2020/10/03/trumps-doctor-wont-say-if-hes-been-on-oxygen/) on the topic from reporters earlier.

Two people close to the White House told the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/us/politics/trump-covid-updates.html) “that the president had trouble breathing on Friday and that his oxygen level dropped, prompting his doctors to give him supplemental oxygen while at the White House and decide to transfer him to Walter Reed where he could be monitored with better equipment and treated more rapidly in case of trouble.”
https://politicalwire.com/2020/10/03/trump-has-been-given-oxygen/

His blood ox levels are not in dispute. The issue is whether or not he was near death as you alleged. You have provided no evidence of that. In fact, your post included this. "White House chief of staff Mark Meadows offered an upbeat assessment of Donald Trump's current status."


Two people close to the White HouseNope. Anonymous sources who were not even close to the situation (close to, but not in, the White House) are not worth considering.

His blood ox levels are not in dispute. The issue is whether or not he was near death as you alleged. You have provided no evidence of that. In fact, your post included this. "White House chief of staff Mark Meadows offered an upbeat assessment of Donald Trump's current status."
The rest of the sentence says, "...but revealed the President's oxygen level had “dropped rapidly” Friday morning. Btw, an oxy sat reading under 95% is getting scary.

Nope. Anonymous sources who were not even close to the situation (close to, but not in, the White House) are not worth considering.
You want the Angel Gabriel's comments?

You want the Angel Gabriel's comments?Only if he was there and is willing to make a statement on record.

And again, his blood ox is not in issue. It's your wild statement that he was about to die that is in dispute. You have offered NO evidence of that, so I'm done with it.

Only if he was there and is willing to make a statement on record.
He was there but is reluctant to say anything to such a contentious twosome.

And again, his blood ox is not in issue. It's your wild statement that he was about to die that is in dispute. You have offered NO evidence of that, so I'm done with it.
Tomder put the oxy sat figure at issue. As for your misquoting me, I had actually said, "Reports say he was very, very sick. And yes, he could have died." (Post #8)

You keep forgetting that all of your posts are still up.

Post 5. "And who got covid and nearly died?"

Well, at least you are trying to dial it back now. That's your best available move, for sure.

You keep forgetting that all of your posts are still up.

Post 5. "And who got covid and nearly died?"

Yes, had they agreed to his wishes, he would have died.

1. You have no evidence for that.
2. That's not AT ALL what you said. You said, "and nearly died". Now you want to make it conditional, but like I said, you are dialing back your original statement, so good for you.

1. You have no evidence for that.
2. That's not what you said. You said, "and nearly died". But like I said, you are dialing back your original statement, so good for you.
He would have died had the doctor not armwrestled him into going to Walter Reed.

And again, you have no evidence at all for that. Not a shred. It's just your Trump hatred at work.

And again, you have no evidence at all for that. Not a shred. It's just your Trump hatred at work.
You apparently have no knowledge of what covid can do and how quickly. I don't hate him; I pity him.

Yeah. At any rate, at least you have backed away from your initial statement that Trump "nearly died". You clearly have no evidence for it.

Yeah. At any rate, at least you have backed away from your initial statement that Trump "nearly died". You clearly have no evidence for it.
He refused further care, had to be talked into it. Without that forceful talk by his doctors, yes, being obese and having progressive breathing problems, he would have died.

Says Dr. Wondergirl. Sorry, but no takers on that one. You really need to learn the difference between sheer speculation (post 55) and genuine truth. But if it makes you feel better to believe that, then so be it.