Biden Administration Could Pay Illegal Immigrant Families Separated at Border $450,000 Per Person in Settlements.The Biden administration is considering issuing payments to immigrant families that were separated (https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/05/illegal-immigration-enforcement-separating-kids-at-border/) at the southern border under the Trump administration around $450,000 a person in compensation, for a total payout that could cost the government more than $1 billion, according to a new report.


People familiar with the matter told the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/biden-administration-in-talks-to-pay-hundreds-of-millions-to-immigrant-families-separated-at-border-11635447591?mod=latest_headlines) that the U.S. Departments of Justice, Homeland Security and Health and Human Services are weighing the payments as they work to resolve lawsuits claiming that the government subjected parents and children to lasting psychological trauma.
Only in a government environment where money is in endless supply could such insanity be considered for even two seconds.

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/biden-administration-could-pay-illegal-immigrant-families-separated-at-border-450000-per-person-in-settlements/

I know a way illegals could really diminish the risk of putting their children in danger . Stop crossing the border illegally and come into the country legally through ports of entry Maybe not break the law as the first act they perform in the country they claim to want to start a new life in. Every immigrant who came here legally must be feeling like a chump

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I know a way illegals could really diminish the risk of putting their children in danger . Stop crossing the border illegally and come into the country legally through ports of entry
Are the ports of entry well publicized as to location? How many are there and where are they? Are they sufficiently staffed? Is there nearby temporary housing for immigrants before they begin their journey into the US (to where?)?

None of those questions should be of concern because to cross legally they need to have applied for visas in their own countries . That makes for an orderly process.

Yes Tom, but that could not be used as an excuse, nor can it be used to place blame on America.

The amazing thing is that Biden, just days ago, denied that any such plan was being considered. He referred to it as "garbage" and said, "That's not gonna happen."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btj62uL42XQ

None of those questions should be of concern because to cross legally they need to have applied for visas in their own countries . That makes for an orderly process.
Do they know that's a requirement?

well probably not because Quid put out the welcome mat. Really if they were being denied entry ,they would know soon enough and the word would spread .

Really if they were being denied entry ,they would know soon enough and the word would spread .Exactly right. It's like seeing a cop with a speeder pulled over. Everyone checks their speedometers and slows down accordingly.

They need to know about visas before they leave home.

Everyone knows that if they want to immigrate to ANY other nation or work in that nation that they need visa or similar approval BEFORE they leave for that nation Unless there are specific agreements between nations (ie you can travel inside the EU if you are a European. 28 nations share that interstate agreement (the Schengen Agreement). The US has no such agreements .When I lived in NY I had occasion to travel into Canada .I had to follow the rules to cross the border . Why is that such a hard concept to follow ?

I've traveled many times into Canada. No visa was ever needed.

I'm betting most of the poor immigrants and refugees from southern climes have no idea what a visa is.

I did not say I needed a visa .I said I had to follow the rules . Americans can visit Canada up to 6 months on a passport . Do you think the rules are so lax for moving to Canada or working there ?

I decided to answer that myself

If I want to go to Canada to work I need a work permit . To get a work permit I must have an offer by a Canadian company BEFORE I apply
My future employer must. have a Labor Market Impact Assessment (LMIA)
I MUST HAVE SUFFICIENT FUNDS TO PROVIDE FOR MYSELF AND ANY FAMILY MEMBERS MOVING WITH ME
I must not have a criminal record
AND
I MUST BE OF GOOD HEALTH .

There are no permanent work permits To stay after a period of time I need to apply for permanent residency .

Tomder, if you were born and raised in Guatemala with minimal (or any) education, you'd have no clue about visas, much less how to get one.

If there was a wall, then in a matter of months the word would spread that you cannot enter the U.S. without a visa.

That's an awful lot of spreading over a huge area populated by far-flung populations. And we now know a wall is useless.

Tomder, if you were born and raised in Guatemala with minimal (or any) education, you'd have no clue about visas, much less how to get one.

That is quite a condescending attitude but typical of progressives . In my time as a production manager I hired hundreds of immigrants who all had green cards to legally work in the US Most of them were from central America; Guatemalans included . I gladly hired them because they were hard workers who showed up ,were willing to learn ,and were happy to be here . I always made sure their paperwork was legit verified through E-Verify .I can assure you that not only did they understand the concept of having proper visas ,they frequently asked me to give them job letters so they could support family members visa applications .

And we now know a wall is useless.How do you know that?

What a low, dim view you have of Central Americans, that they are so dumb and backwards that they can't understand the process of applying for a visa. Wow. I'd suggest you give them more credit than that.

How do you know that?
It's a proven fact.

What a low, dim view you have of Central Americans, that they are so dumb and backwards that they can't understand the process of applying for a visa. Wow. I'd suggest you give them more credit than that.
Please travel to Guatemala, then report back to us. I'm betting over half the population doesn't even know what a visa is.

How do you know that?



It's a proven fact.I've learned that when a liberal on this board says, "Oh, it's a proven fact," it means they have no evidence at all to back up the issue under discussion.


Please travel to Guatemala, then report back to us. I'm betting over half the population doesn't even know what a visa is.You've traveled to Guatemala and you know this?

The poverty rate in Guatemala is very high. According to the World Bank, 59.3% of the population lives below the poverty line. In addition, 23% live in extreme poverty. The indigenous people in Guatemala are most affected by poverty.

I have been to Guatemala. The people I met, which were the rural poor, were poor but far from stupid. I have no doubt they can understand what a "visa" is.

I completely disagree about their inability to comprehend the concept of needing visas to emigrate. If they could not get into the US without proper visas, they would come to understand it rapidly.

"Nearly half of voters say Biden worse president than expected, most don't want to see him run again: poll

Biden's approval rating in a new poll is in line with where Trump was 4 years ago, but his disapproval numbers are far worse."


"Among the topline numbers, according to USA Today/Suffolk University, are a 37.8% approval rating for Biden with a 59% disapproval – more than 21 points underwater. Forty-six percent of those included in the survey said Biden has done a worse job than expected, and 64% said they don't want Biden to run for reelection."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-approval-harris-poll-suffolk-infrastructure

I take polls with a grain of salt. Harry Truman at times has polling in the low 20s.


Here is the difference. While Trump's numbers dropped during the non-stop compliant press blitz of the Russia hoax and their misrepresentation of his remarks about Charlottesville; the compliant press runs cover for Quid.

Biden's latest gaffe. "President Biden (https://www.foxnews.com/category/person/joe-biden) referred to the late baseball player Satchel Paige as "the great negro" before correcting himself during his Veterans Day address at Arlington National Cemetery on Thursday."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-satchel-paige-great-negro-gaffe

So, the EU has a terrible migration issue. Thousands of migrants are camped out in the forests of Belarus. Belarus (a state essentially controlled by Putin through his stooge Alexander Lukashenko) has been forcing the migrants to bum rush the border with Poland. The EU position to date has been of the bleeding-heart variety. They accepted over a million migrants during the height of the Syrian civil war. Now there is a popular back lash right at the time when illegal migration is surging due to Russian interference.
Russia Sends Warplanes to Belarus Amid Fight With EU Over Migrants - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/russia-sends-warplanes-to-belarus-amid-fight-with-eu-over-migrants-11636560216?mod=article_inline)

So, what is the solution?

Build a wall. That is the EU plan.

The European Council is asking its executive branch, the European Commission, to create legal arrangements to allow the EU to finance border walls and other immediate measures in response to what they said is a hybrid attack. Poland, Lithuania and Latvia have begun fencing off their borders and declared states of emergency, not waiting for EU action.
Twelve EU governments said in an open letter last month that a physical barrier appeared to be effective border protection that served the EU, and advocated EU funding.
Dozen ministers want EU to finance border walls (euobserver.com) (https://euobserver.com/migration/153169)

Why a wall? Because walls work.

Yep. If walls didn't work, they wouldn't be in widespread use all over the world.

Yep. If walls didn't work, they wouldn't be in widespread use all over the world.
Naw, just mow down those people with automatic weapons. That'll teach 'em!

How many do you have living in your house?

How many do you have living in your house?
My house is very small, I'm housebound/wheelchairbound, and my husband and son have Asperger's. Years ago, when the Vietnamese refugees arrived in this country, our church sponsored three families. I was very active helping them get settled in, learn English and American ways of doing things, and tutored their children.

If I were younger and mobile, I'd be the first in line to help the current batch of refugees and immigrants.

So the answer is none. That's my observation of the typical liberal solution to this. "Let them come in and be a burden on someone else. Ship em to Florida." I don't mean that to sound harsh, but rather to point out that your position would be a great deal more meaningful if you had a family in a spare bedroom, or even in a rented travel trailer in the backyard.

So the answer is none.
How many live at your house?

None. That's one reason why I feel very comfortable in advocating for a wall, and in not compelling my fellow Americans to tolerate this pathetic policy playing out on the southern border. I don't feel like a hypocrite. If I WAS advocating for such policies, I would feel very uncomfortable about it.

I have never had a legal or illegal immigrant live in my home. I have hired hindreds of legal immigrants and was happy to do so.

The question of whether walls work or don't is a silly one. Clearly they do or prisons would not have them. Yeah, there may be the occasional escape. But that is the exception.

It is much easier to deal with the breaches then to have a lawless border; which appears to be the Quid policy.

The question of whether walls work or don't is a silly one. Clearly they do or prisons would not have them.
How long is a prison wall? (1254 miles?) In an unpopulated desert area? Are there tens of thousands of prisoners inside those walls?

The point was that walls unquestionably work.

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The point was that walls unquestionably work.
No, they don't. Not on the southern border. They have been successfully scaled, burrowed under, and gotten around (even by kids).

They slow down illegal immigration by 99%. Your objection is just flat wrong. It's like saying that locks don't work because, after all, my neighbor's house was broken into yesterday. Umbrellas don't work because my friend's leaks. Banks don't work because one was robbed last year. You are appealing to the exceptions that prove the rule.

Why then didn't Trump build a wall?

He built about 400 miles of wall. It has been very effective. How much has Biden built?

At least we now have WG on record as admitting that walls are effective.

He built about 400 miles of wall. It has been very effective. How much has Biden built?
Lemme see. 1254 total miles. 400 supposed Trump miles. What about the rest of the 854 miles?

At least we now have WG on record as admitting that walls are effective.
Where?

What about the rest of the 854 miles?We need them. Can you write your hero, Mr. Biden, and get him to do it?

You are asking for more wall to be built, but you don't believe they work?

We need them. Can you write your hero, Mr. Biden, and get him to do it?
Why is he my hero?

Trump said he would do it.

You are asking for more wall to be built, but you don't believe they work?
Where am I asking for that?

JL said, At least we now have WG on record as admitting that walls are effective.

Where?

Trump said he would and he built 400 miles. Your hero came in and has built...nothing. In fact he has overseen an enormous increase in illegal crossings.

I'm trying to be nice to you. It is so blatantly foolish to contend that walls don't work that I am assuming you have seen that by now.

Trump said he would and he built 400 miles. Your hero came in and has built...nothing. In fact he has overseen an enormous increase in illegal crossings.
Again, why is he my hero? You have me confused with someone else. I'm a Republican.

It is so blatantly foolish to contend that walls don't work that I am assuming you have seen that by now.
Then why didn't Trump finish building the rest of the 854 miles?

The final two years he had the "We love illegal immigration," liberal dem congress to contend with.' But I am happy for you that you have finally dropped the "Walls don't work," mantra. You certainly look more grown up now. (gentle humor)

He had resistance from Congress and the courts . Much of what was built was by executive order emergency declaration and the diverting of funds .

Also if you look where it was built ,it was on lands the Federal Government controls . 70 percent of the existing border wall /fences are located in California, Arizona, and New Mexico on Federal land .States ,private individuals ,Indian tribes own the majority of the border land. That land would have to be acquired or right of ways established . Going back to GW Bush years some attempts using eminent domain have been tied up in court .

Environmental issues also tied up progress. Trump should be applauded for accomplishing so much. As a young community activist I was part of a group that effectively blocked a project by pointing out the existence of spotted newts and timber rattlers on the site . You must be aware that it is very easy to delay projects you object to .

In other news on the loonie bin front, China is developing a hypersonic missile and is about to launch its first fleet aircraft carrier, but they clearly don't realize that the Biden administration has outsmarted them by appointing our first transgender general. Take that, Chicoms!!