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jlisenbe
Oct 14, 2021, 04:34 AM
You want to know why? Here's your answer.


Loudoun County father who was dragged out of woke school board meeting reveals his daughter was 'raped' in the girls' bathroom by a 'skirt-wearing' male student who was arrested for assaulting a SECOND girl months later - but staff did nothing.



In the grand hierarchy of liberal, woke dems, sexual assault is a bad thing UNLESS it is done by a bisexual boy dressed in a skirt on a straight girl. Then the rights of the boy must be earnestly protected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10083783/Loudoun-County-father-arrested-school-meeting-says-daughter-raped-boy-girls-bathroom.html

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/oct/13/alleged-rape-teen-girl-school-bathroom-tests-mcaul/

tomder55
Oct 14, 2021, 05:04 AM
According to AG Garland Scott Smith is a domestic terrorist .

tomder55
Oct 15, 2021, 05:33 PM
Teen Vogue now calls women "non-prostate owners" I won't link to the perverted article .

Wondergirl
Oct 15, 2021, 05:52 PM
Have you ever been in a girls' bathroom?

A "bisexual boy dressed in a skirt" would be nursing a split lip and bloody noggin from a beating his male schoolmates would have given him. (P.S. Bisexual boys don't dress in skirts.)

jlisenbe
Oct 15, 2021, 08:02 PM
A "bisexual boy dressed in a skirt" would be nursing a split lip and bloody noggin from a beating his male schoolmates would have given him. (P.S. Bisexual boys don't dress in skirts.)You were not there so you have no idea what the boy was wearing or what might have happened to him. How strange that you have not one ounce of concern about two young girls getting raped, but by goodness we can't suggest a bisexual boy was wearing a skirt. Strange where your liberal persuasions take you.

Wondergirl
Oct 15, 2021, 08:31 PM
You were not there so you have no idea what the boy was wearing or what might have happened to him. How strange that you have not one ounce of concern about two young girls getting raped, but by goodness we can't suggest a bisexual boy was wearing a skirt. Strange where your liberal persuasions take you.
A bisexual boy doesn't wear a dress. You are definitely out of touch with gender issues.

Is the story even true about the rape?

And you weren't there either. Any boy who goes into a girls' bathroom (to look for a victim is heterosexual) and is wearing a dress (did he put it on in the hallway or was he wearing it all day?) is mentally messed up.

And again, you haven't ever been in a girls' washroom, have you.

jlisenbe
Oct 16, 2021, 05:57 AM
A bisexual boy doesn't wear a dress. You are definitely out of touch with gender issues.They do if they want to. Pretty sure they don't need your permission.


Is the story even true about the rape?Sad how breezily you put aside an accusation of two girls being raped. And why? Because it involved a boy wearing a skirt, so you must adhere to your liberal ideas at all costs. Do you also believe they had it coming anyway??


And you weren't there either. Any boy who goes into a girls' bathroom (to look for a victim is heterosexual) and is wearing a dress (did he put it on in the hallway or was he wearing it all day?) is mentally messed up.How judgmental of you.


And again, you haven't ever been in a girls' washroom, have you.As a school principal, if there is a plumbing issue in the girl's restroom, you go and see what the issue is and get it fixed, so yes I've been in. Otherwise, I don't go into women's restrooms. (Surprise! That's the practice of the great majority of men.) I suppose your point is about stalls. Perhaps you can go and explain that to the two girls who were raped. "Yes, you were raped, but it was in a private stall, so you should feel much better about it now." What a crazy idea. "Hey ladies, I'm coming in to pick a rape victim, but it's not a problem since it will all be done in the privacy of a stall. Have a nice day."

Here's the truth. If D Trump was accused of raping two women, you'd be all over that, but since it was "merely" a bisexual boy wearing a skirt as his excuse to go into the girl's rr, then that's basically OK. Every time we discuss things, I'm so glad I'm not a liberal dem.

Note: I took all of your comments above as literal. If you meant them to be figurative, then please point that out.

Wondergirl
Oct 16, 2021, 09:13 AM
They do if they want to. Pretty sure they don't need your permission.
Nope. Transgender, yes. Bisexual, no.
https://www.qwearfashion.com/home/qweary-how-to-dress-bisexual-and-proud

Sad how breezily you put aside an accusation of two girls being raped. And why?
Was it a public bathroom or a school bathroom?

Because it involved a boy wearing a skirt, so you must adhere to your liberal ideas at all costs. Do you also believe they had it coming anyway??
Oh, how the Christian love pours out of you! This is a discussion, not an opportunity to throw rocks at others who disagree with you.

How judgmental of you.
Stand in front of a mirror when you say that.

As a school principal, if there is a plumbing issue in the girl's restroom, you go and see what the issue is and get it fixed, so yes I've been in. Otherwise, I don't go into women's restrooms. I suppose your point is about stalls.
Nope, not at all. I have several other important points in mind.

jlisenbe
Oct 16, 2021, 09:21 AM
Nope. Transgender, yes. Bisexual, no.Sorry, but there are no rules for this. Your protests are just silly.


Oh, how the Christian love pours out of you! This is a discussion, not an opportunity to throw rocks at others who disagree with you.Which is what you just did with that statement. If you want to protest, then become a good example.


Nope, not at all. I have several other important points in mind.
If you have something to say, say it.

Wondergirl
Oct 16, 2021, 11:36 AM
Sorry, but there are no rules for this. Your protests are just silly.
Huh? Yes, there ARE "rules" for this! Time for you to have some informative chats with your LGBTQ+ friends.

Which is what you just did with that statement. If you want to protest, then become a good example.
I'm told (by you) I'm not a Christian and you are, Mr. Christian Example.

If you have something to say, say it.
Think about it. Women's restrooms...what other issues/situations are there in addition to stalls? Hmm....

jlisenbe
Oct 16, 2021, 11:59 AM
Huh? Yes, there ARE "rules" for this! Time for you to have some informative chats with your LGBTQ+ friends.Only in your little world.


I'm told (by you) I'm not a Christian and you are, Mr. Christian Example.
Throwing rocks again. Hmm.

jlisenbe
Oct 17, 2021, 06:32 AM
WG, I have no idea if you are a Christian or not. I do know that you, by your own admission, have never repented of your sins. I know that you have never had a time when you turned from sin and self to place your faith in Christ. Again, that is by your own admission. I know that you are very, very selective in accepting the statements of Jesus as being true. I know that you value your own views above the views of Christ. I know that you do not consider faith in Christ to be essential. So all of that gives me genuine concern for you, but the final answer lies in your own heart and mind. I certainly do wish you well.

I hate our discussions. We never arrive anywhere because, in my view, you are so evasive in answering difficult questions that we just dance around the proverbial maypole. You always end up with the meaningless comments about literalism, proof texts, meanness, and on and on it goes. You'd think I would learn better one of these days. Hopefully, today I have.

Wondergirl
Oct 17, 2021, 09:10 AM
WG, I have no idea if you are a Christian or not. I do know that you, by your own admission, have never repented of your sins. I know that you have never had a time when you turned from sin and self to place your faith in Christ. Again, that is by your own admission.
My own admission??? Surely you jest! My dear Savior and I have wonderful conversations throughout the day and even during the night. He is truly my Good Shepherd, taking on my worries and fears, tenderly consoling me, and rejoicing with me whenever happiness comes my way.

I hate our discussions. We never arrive anywhere because, in my view, you are so evasive in answering difficult questions that we just dance around the proverbial maypole.
This is a discussion board, not an altar call board. Give me one more chance to placate you.

jlisenbe
Oct 17, 2021, 02:13 PM
by your own admission, have never repented of your sins. I know that you have never had a time when you turned from sin and self to place your faith in Christ. You have said both of those in the past. You said that there were adults who "repented" for you at your infant baptism, and you claimed that you became a Christian at that point and thus never needed to turn from sin to Jesus. Post 165 as well as several others.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847531&page=9&p=3858354&highlight=baptism#post3858354

Wondergirl
Oct 17, 2021, 02:26 PM
and you claimed that you became a Christian at that point and thus never needed to turn from sin to Jesus. Post 165 as well as several others.
I have never said the above! (If I'm a Christian, doesn't that mean I frequently turn to Jesus?) I attended a Lutheran day school, was confirmed at age 13 (confirm means professing one's faith as it was first stated by sponsors at baptism), attended weekly and special church services for years, was very involved in church activities, raised two sons the same way I was raised, was a Lutheran day school teacher...and now you've forced me into an altar call.

Yes, I am a Christian, am still involved in spreading to others the message of God's love.

jlisenbe
Oct 17, 2021, 02:44 PM
I gave you the link. It’s in print.

Wondergirl
Oct 17, 2021, 02:48 PM
I gave you the link. It’s in print.
There is nothing in that link that says I "never needed to turn from sin to Jesus." I don't even talk or write that way!

Jesus is my constant companion.

As for the thread topic:

At a June 22 school board meeting, Loudoun County Public Schools Superintendent Scott Ziegler brushed-off parents’ concerns, claiming, “the predator transgender student or person simply does not exist,” and, to his knowledge, "we don’t have any record of assaults occurring in our restrooms.”

The complaint was made during efforts to eliminate trans from using their preferred restroom. No girl had been raped by anyone trans or bi.

jlisenbe
Oct 17, 2021, 04:16 PM
See also post 174 in that link. You were three weeks old. You plainly did not turn from sin to follow God.

Your link was from June. If you really cared, you would have dug just a minute or two longer to find this.
"We can confirm a May 28, 2021 case that involved a thorough 2-month-long investigation that was conducted to determine the facts of the case prior to arrest," the sheriff’s office told Fox News. "This case is still pending court proceedings. The Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office is not able to provide any documents that pertain to a pending case." The sheriff's office confirmed that the case involved sexual assault.

All juvenile records are sealed, but Smith’s attorney Elizabeth Lancaster told The Daily Wire that the boy was subsequently charged with two counts of forcible sodomy, one count of anal sodomy, and one count of forcible fellatio.

In response to a public records request by The Daily Wire, the Loudoun County Sheriff’s Office confirmed that a May 28 report with "Offense: Forcible Sodomy [and] Sexual Battery" at Stone Bridge High School does exist.

The suspect was arrested two months later following an investigation by the sheriff's office.

What does that say about the honesty of Superintendent Scott Ziegler?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-county-father-school-cover-up-bathroom-assault-daughter

Wondergirl
Oct 17, 2021, 04:31 PM
See also post 174 in that link. You were three weeks old. You plainly did not turn from sin to follow God.
That's the point of baptism! And one of the first things my parents taught me when I was learning to talk was how to pray.

Where is me saying that. I "never needed to turn from sin to Jesus."

jlisenbe
Oct 17, 2021, 04:45 PM
Did you? You claim you were born again as an infant. So you turned from sin as an infant?

note: please no evasiveness. Post 174.

Wondergirl
Oct 17, 2021, 04:51 PM
Did you? You claim you were born again as an infant. So you turned from sin as an infant?

note: please no evasiveness.
Sigh.

2 Cor. 5:17 -- Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again. born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.

And the verse I mentioned in #174:
John 3:5 -- Jesus answered, "Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit.

Luther’s Small Catechism teaches us that our baptism into Christ, which “works forgiveness of sins, rescues from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this,” also indicates that the Christian life involves an ongoing struggle between the “old creature” and the “new man.” “It indicates that the Old Adam in us should by daily contrition and repentance be drowned and die with all sins and evil desires, and that a new man should daily emerge and arise to live before God in righteousness and purity forever.” This is the day-to-day life of the redeemed.

jlisenbe
Oct 17, 2021, 05:09 PM
Evasive yet again. You provided answers for a question not asked. It was a simple question which, as if oftentimes the case, you are afraid to answer.

Did you turn from sin as an infant?

Wondergirl
Oct 17, 2021, 05:16 PM
Evasive yet again. You provided answers for a question not asked. It was a simple question which, as if oftentimes the case, you are afraid to answer.

Did you turn from sin as an infant?
That's the entire point of baptism! Yet thereafter, once that infant has reasoning abilities, it's a constant battle, fighting sin, then daily repenting of sin, but thanks to Jesus' death and resurrection, our sins are forgiven.

To repeat from my previous post:
Luther’s Small Catechism teaches us that our baptism into Christ, which “works forgiveness of sins, rescues from death and the devil, and gives eternal salvation to all who believe this,” also indicates that the Christian life involves an ongoing struggle between the “old creature” and the “new man.” “It indicates that the Old Adam in us should by daily contrition and repentance be drowned and die with all sins and evil desires, and that a new man should daily emerge and arise to live before God in righteousness and purity forever.” This is the day-to-day life of the redeemed.

jlisenbe
Oct 17, 2021, 05:18 PM
Never mind. No answer from you twice so I'm out. It's what I meant by being willing to give honest, concise answers. You just aren't willing.

Wondergirl
Oct 17, 2021, 05:29 PM
Never mind. No answer from you twice so I'm out. It's what I meant by being willing to give honest, concise answers. You just aren't willing.
I just realized. You do not believe in infant baptism. Correct?

I wish you would have said that and stopped beating around the bush. E.g., "I don't believe in infant baptism because infants cannot turn from sin. Why do you believe in it?"

jlisenbe
Oct 23, 2021, 04:55 PM
Turns out the super lied.


After the first incident on May 28, Ziegler sent an email (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-superintendent-email-sexual-assault-same-day) to the school board, saying, "This afternoon a female student alleged that a male student sexually assaulted her in the restroom." At a school board meeting on June 22, Ziegler declared that "the predator transgender student or person simply does not exist," and that to his knowledge, "We don’t have any record of assaults occurring in our restrooms."

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/youngkin-demands-resignations-on-loudoun-county-school-board-over-alleged-sexual-assault-cover-up

Wondergirl
Oct 23, 2021, 06:15 PM
Does that student wear a dress or skirt every day, or was it only on the day he raped? (P.S. He isn't trans; he's hetero or bi.)

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 07:35 AM
Loudoun County school board member demands investigation into how boy, 15, in skirt was allowed to 'rape girl, 15' in school bathroom before being moved to second school where 'he struck again.'

Loudoun County school board's only conservative member has called for a full investigation into allegations that a 15-year-old girl was sexually assaulted in a school bathroom by a boy who was wearing a skirt. On Tuesday night John Beatty, a member of the Loudoun County school board, said he 'absolutely' supports an investigation into the circumstances of the alleged attack May and subsequent cover-up.

'What happened is so awful and I feel so bad for the parents of both families that are victims to this, and it's incredibly important that we have a full investigation into everything that happened,' said Beatty, speaking on Laura Ingraham's Fox News show.

'We need to get to the bottom of who didn't communicate what, and find out where the communication breakdowns were so that this never happens again. 'Because parents need to worry about their kid getting an education, and not the safety of them in their schools.' Jess and Scott Smith have claimed that their daughter was raped by a 'skirt-wearing male student' in a 'gender fluid' school bathroom on May 28 at Stonebridge High School in Leesburg, Virginia (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/virginia/index.html).

John Beatty appeared on Laura Ingraham's Fox News show on Tuesday night to lift the lid on the events at the most controversial school board in the US.

Beatty told Ingraham that he 'absolutely' backs calls for an investigation into events at Stonebridge High School in May. They claim that the school district attempted to cover up the alleged assault, and are suing the county.

The boy allegedly went on to allegedly sexually assault another girl, at a different school, Broad Run High School, on October 6. Broad Run is also part of Loudoun County.

The boy is now in juvenile detention awaiting a court appearance on all charges, which include sexual battery and forcible sodomy.

Loudoun County Superintendent Scott Ziegler played down the threat posed by students in June, weeks after the first alleged attack, and has since issued a groveling apology, amid calls for him to resign.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10114809/Loudoun-County-board-member-seeks-inquiry-claim-girl-raped-bathroom-skirt-wearing-male.html

The source of this problem? The school board voted in August to allow transgender students to use school bathrooms matching their gender identity. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 08:39 AM
JL: The source of this problem? The school board voted in August to allow transgender students to use school bathrooms matching their gender identity. Dumb, dumb, dumb.

As I posted earlier:

Does that student wear a dress or skirt every day, or was it only on the day he raped? (P.S. He isn't trans; he's hetero or bi.)

It's a long process if a preteen or teen wants to begin transitioning. Early steps are individual/family counseling and puberty blockers. School officials and teachers will be fully informed about these and future steps in the transitioning process.

A male who's transitioning to female has absolutely no interest in raping a girl.

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 11:10 AM
Does that student wear a dress or skirt every day, or was it only on the day he raped?If he comes to school wearing a skirt and self-identifying as a girl, he has to be let in the girls restroom.


(P.S. He isn't trans; he's hetero or bi.)

It's a long process if a preteen or teen wants to begin transitioning. Early steps are individual/family counseling and puberty blockers. School officials and teachers will be fully informed about these and future steps in the transitioning process.

A male who's transitioning to female has absolutely no interest in raping a girl.Sez you. Sorry, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 11:17 AM
If he comes to school wearing a skirt and self-identifying as a girl, he has to be let in the girls restroom.
Not true! Girls who wear slacks and self identify as boys are allowed in the boys' bathroom???

The administration and teachers are supposed to know if students are bi, ace, trans, so e.g., the appropriate pronouns are used when addressing them.

Sez you. Sorry, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.
I weep in dismay if you were truly an educator.

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 11:22 AM
Not true! Girls who wear slacks and self identify as boys are allowed in the boys' bathroom???

The administration and teachers are supposed to know if students are bi, ace, trans, gay, lesbian so e.g., the appropriate pronouns are used when addressing them.And you know this is true how?


Sez you. Sorry, but I don't think you know what you're talking about.



I weep in dismay if you were truly an educator.Because I have learned that you frequently are wrong in your statements? Sorry, but most of your comments are backed up by not much more than, "Take my word for it." And being an educator, I can tell you that you should have written, "I would weep in dismay if you were truly an educator."

tomder55
Oct 25, 2021, 11:40 AM
here is the emperor at a Virginia rally this weekend .


"We don't have time to be wasted on these phony trumped-up culture wars, this fake outrage, the right-wing media's pedals to juice their ratings."

Schools covering up sexual assault is not trumped up fake or ,phony culture war.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 11:42 AM
And you know this is true how?
1. Common sense. (A boy wearing a skirt can waltz into school on Tuesday, say he's trans, and be ailowed to use the girls' bathroom??? Even you would say no.)
2. Discussion with area educators and with transgender adults.
3. Reading many articles on trustworthy medical sites about these topics.

And being an educator, I can tell you that you should have written, "I would weep in dismay if you were truly an educator."
Nope. I've been a freelance editor for years (consulted even by you). I "would weep"? Sorry. I weep/am weeping (present tense) now. My sentence is correct.

ADDED: Here's a sentence for you to chew on, from a novella by Stephen King:

"Teddy saw every movie Audie Murphy made at least three times."

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 01:24 PM
1. Common sense. (A boy wearing a skirt can waltz into school on Tuesday, say he's trans, and be ailowed to use the girls' bathroom??? Even you would say no.)
2. Discussion with area educators and with transgender adults.
3. Reading many articles on trustworthy medical sites about these topics.I would say no to all of the nonsense. That's the common sense position. That they allow it at all shows they threw common sense out the window.

I don't think you have read anything that says what you stated. If you had, you would have linked it. Besides, you have no idea how that school is handling the situation.


ADDED: Here's a sentence for you to chew on, from a novella by Stephen King:

"Teddy saw every movie Audie Murphy made at least three times."What's your point?

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 01:39 PM
I would say no to all of the nonsense. That's the common sense position. That they allow it at all shows they threw common sense out the window.
As I said earlier, the child and the family MUST be involved in counseling and the child, when old enough, be given puberty blockers.

don't think you have read anything that says what you stated. If you had, you would have linked it. Besides, you have no idea how that school is handling the situation.
I don't link because you refuse to read links. And if that school allows just any kind of behavior by any student, that school should be reported to a higher authority.

What's your point?
Do you see what is incorrect? (I was reading one of King's novellas while waiting for your reply and was horrified when I ran across this sentence.)

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 02:32 PM
As I said earlier, the child and the family MUST be involved in counseling and the child, when old enough, be given puberty blockers.And again, you have no idea what the policy of that district is. In thinking that you do, you are showing you don't understand how school districts operate.


I don't link because you refuse to read links. And if that school allows just any kind of behavior by any student, that school should be reported to a higher authority. The last link you sent was laughably inaccurate. The author making reference to hormone secreting chromosomes should have told you he had no idea what he was talking about. It certainly tells me you don't understand at all the science that's in play. So if you want me to read your links, then make sure they are accurate and that the author does not use the tell-tale phrase "dear reader" which will be found in NO serious science article. Otherwise, stop complaining. The fault lies totally with you.

Any kind of behavior?? You mean like a boy putting on a skirt, claiming he's a girl, and going into the girls restroom, a behavior that you have supported?

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 02:44 PM
You've successfully avoided the grammar problem and acknowledging what it is.

Page 11 of the current (10/29/2021) Week magazine has an informative article about kids and transitioning.

Oh, and any school that allows a male student willynilly to wear a dress to (or put it on at) school and use the girls' bathroom should be closed until corrections are made.

tomder55
Oct 25, 2021, 03:34 PM
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tomder55
Oct 25, 2021, 03:54 PM
if parents are as mobilized as they appear to be then the solution is to vote out all the school boards that allow this outrage . Parents must get themselves elected to school boards and make their voices heard in protest against progressive indoctrination.


Education is mostly speech, and parents have a constitutional right to choose the speech with which their children will be educated. They therefore cannot constitutionally be compelled, or even pressured, to make their children a captive audience for government indoctrination.

Is the Public School System Constitutional? - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/public-school-system-constitutional-private-mcauliffe-free-speech-11634928722?mod=opinion_lead_pos5)

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 06:04 PM
The very simple solution is to transition to a voucher system. Public schools only engage in these outrages because they know they have a largely captive audience.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 06:07 PM
You don't believe there is a LGBTQ+ community. The Bible has many examples. Christian schools would do well to pull in students who may belong to that community.

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 06:13 PM
No one mentioned Christian schools but you.

There are no messages of approval in the Bible for lgbtqxxxx lifestyles. Not one. Nada.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 06:20 PM
Christian schools are the obvious choice. Love God and each other.

No "messages of approval" were needed. People are people. No matter what, we all need God's love and care. The Bible tells us that many times.

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 06:40 PM
No "messages of approval" were needed. People are people. No matter what, we all need God's love and care. The Bible tells us that many times.Yes. Bank robbers, child molesters, murderers, rapists, adulterers, liars, and many other "types" of sinners, including homosexuals, need God's love and care, but that doesn't mean you can just breezily comment about no "messages of approval" are needed. It's an incredibly foolish comment and is only made by those who have no real knowledge of the Bible.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 06:51 PM
That guy who was crucified with Jesus must have been falsely accused of theft.

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 07:03 PM
That guy who was crucified with Jesus must have been falsely accused of theft.Huh??

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 07:25 PM
Huh??
What's your definition of sinner?

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 07:27 PM
Humans.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 08:02 PM
Humans.
Yeah, like you and me along with those, in your words, bank robbers, child molesters, murderers, rapists, adulterers, liars, and many other "types" of sinners. Btw, LGBTQ+ aren't lifestyles.

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 08:07 PM
15 It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost. 16 Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost sinner Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those [h (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy+1&version=NASB#fen-NASB-29700h)]who would believe in Him for eternal life. 17 Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, [I]be honor and glory [j (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy+1&version=NASB#fen-NASB-29701j)]forever and ever. Amen.

"Btw, LGBTQ+ aren't lifestyles." I didn't say they were lifestyles (though they are). I said they were types (areas, descriptions) of sin.

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 08:14 PM
There are no messages of approval in the Bible for lgbtqxxxx lifestyles. Not one. Nada.
Yes, you mentioned "lifestyles".

jlisenbe
Oct 25, 2021, 08:24 PM
Whoops. You are correct. I was looking at the wrong post. "Bank robbers, child molesters, murderers, rapists, adulterers, liars, and many other "types" of sinners, including homosexuals..."

Note. That's how you go about acknowledging a mistake. You should try it sometime.

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=848527&page=3&p=3875156#post3875156

Wondergirl
Oct 25, 2021, 08:57 PM
Note. That's how you go about acknowledging a mistake. You should try it sometime.
No, that's not how you do it.

And as the famous Dr. Albert Ellis used to say, "Don't should on yourself." (Or on anyone else....)

jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2021, 01:13 AM
No, that's not how you do it.It's certainly not how you do it. What is it about WG that seems to make admitting error so difficult? You really "should" think that through carefully.


And as the famous Dr. Albert Ellis used to say, "Don't should on yourself." (Or on anyone else....)You "should" learn to acknowledge your errors. "Just to make your life a little easier, I underlined the sections I quoted... Hopefully, you will admit your error." Remember? Now what would the famous Dr. Ellis say about someone who cannot bring herself to admit when she is wrong? I have no doubt it was just an oversight on your part. We all do it. What is strange is your reluctance to admit it. It's probably related to your reluctance to answer questions.

jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2021, 06:30 AM
BTW, what is wrong with your sample sentence? "Teddy saw every movie Audie Murphy made at least three times." I am guessing your point is that "at least three times" is imprecise as to meaning how many movies AM made, or how many times Teddy watched them. It is fine grammatically, is it not?

Wondergirl
Oct 26, 2021, 08:33 AM
"Teddy saw every movie Audie Murphy made at least three times." The propositional phrase, "at least three times," is in the wrong place, modifying the wrong verb.

jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2021, 09:45 AM
Well done. Now just learn to spot quoted material in articles and you've got it made.