The powers that be in Aussie have decreed 'we must lock down'.

Greater Sydney restrictions | NSW Government (https://www.nsw.gov.au/covid-19/rules/greater-sydney)

Stay at home orders are now in place in South Australia, Victoria and parts of New South Wales.
Covid: Anger as half of Australians in lockdown again - BBC News (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57911032)
"You must stay home,"....."Only leave your home if you have a reasonable excuse."

Aussies took to the streets to protest . Dozens were arrested with the threat to mass arrest .
Warning issued to anti-lockdown protesters ahead of another planned march in Sydney | 7NEWS (https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/health-wellbeing/warning-to-protesters-ahead-of-another-planned-march-in-sydney-c-3508614?fbclid=IwAR37mqP-dOAeWNo0_1Gvm7dN00LJspZJLyZpC8z1D_P02twUEX5xG_WY_X A)


Well not enough of them . They are becoming a nation of sheeple.

Coronavirus Australia: Amid border closures and lockdowns, what happened to the civil liberties movement? (smh.com.au) (https://www.smh.com.au/national/missing-in-action-what-happened-to-the-civil-liberties-movement-20210513-p57rln.html)

“Their response is civil liberties have to be sacrificed for the sake of the greater good which is keeping everybody healthy through COVID,” says Wright. “That’s the politicians’ response.”......
“We don’t have much of a human rights culture, unlike, for example, Canada and America and Europe,” she says. “In one respect that might mean we are much more amenable to restrictions on rights which are genuinely altruistic and good for the community such as major lockdowns and border closures, which have in the past served us well.
The problem is they don't have constitutional guarantees of liberty . They did not think they needed them . They are wrong . Gillian Triggs, president of the Australian Human Rights Commission said in 2014 ; "The truth is that, without constitutional guarantees, the measure of our freedom of expression has become that which remains after all the laws that restrict the right have been taken into account,"
Free speech and human rights in Australia | Australian Human Rights Commission (https://humanrights.gov.au/about/news/speeches/free-speech-and-human-rights-australia)

In other words ,when it is governments that grant rights instead of rights being granted by nature's God ,the rights are subject to the whim of the rulers .

Even in the US there must be constant vigilance by the people because the instinct of the government bends towards authoritarian if not properly restrained .

Pretty good example of how to provide good documentation.

I hear the bleating of sheep

https://www.news.com.au/entertainment/tv/morning-shows/theres-no-playbook-john-barilaros-bombshell-admission-on-air/news-story/62e3e47282ae8157f7bb06a1343171af

Everyone is tired of the lockdowns but living in a covid free, for the moment, area as I do, I say something must be done to stop the spreaders migrating, and it has been. The virus has spread among ethnic groups who congregate in large numbers. Almost all those at a funeral became infected, many of those infected were unvaccinated. The idiots in the community must be stopped from spreading it otherwise it is tantamount to murder

If you don't want to get Covid, then get vaccinated. Then you don't need to be concerned about what other people do or don't do.

https://www.news.com.au/national/breaking-news/live-breaking-news-nsw-lockdown-updates-and-sydney-covid19-case-numbers/live-coverage/4fb69bd1f238eb9a764dfd406ef30457

and how do we stop this happening?

Get vaccinated?

We should probably do, in the United States, whatever South Dakota is doing. The rate of new cases has been pretty steady for several months, but the current death rate is zero. Since April 1, in fact, there have been only eight deaths total. I guess it pays to have a repub gov.

I guess it pays to have a repub gov.
Or be the state with one of the smallest populations.

The governments are creating a great fraud . They want a permanent pandemic world so they can further restrict your basic liberties . Here is the absurdity . il Duce Cuomo said that NY would go door to door to make people comply with getting vaxed on the same week that the CDC director said that we are 1 or 2 variants before the vaccines are obsolete.

Today Queensland reported 6 new cases woooohooo !

Your nation in particular is a disgrace . You have a low vaccine rate and are relying on the least trusted vaccine on the market .

When Will Covid End? We Must Start Planning For a Permanent Pandemic - Bloomberg (https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-03-24/when-will-covid-end-we-must-start-planning-for-a-permanent-pandemic)

Andrews government secretly negotiating permanent pandemic laws to replace state of emergency | Liberty Victoria (https://libertyvictoria.org.au/content/andrews-government-secretly-negotiating-permanent-pandemic-laws-replace-state-emergency)

How the Coronavirus Pandemic Will Permanently Expand Government Powers (foreignpolicy.com) (https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/16/future-government-powers-coronavirus-pandemic/)

I can hardly wait to see the video of New York forcing a BLM member to take a shot. It will be interesting.

WG. So a person is less likely to die in a small state? Interesting.

WG. So a person is less likely to die in a small state? Interesting.
It's not a "small state". The virus is spread via human contact. You've never been to SD, have you.

Total area in square miles:
South Dakota 77,117
Mississippi 48,430

It is great to be an armchair hero, or is that critic, Tom. Decisions were made in a different environment and Astra Zeneca was selected for local manufacture. The other options were not available until late in 2021. In the meanwhile problems have been found with all vaccines so we are making the best of a bad lot with the tools at our disposal. I don't agree with wholesale lockdowns but it is an effective tool when used to isolate clusters. The governments here are frustrated with the stupidity of certain elements in the population. Most of us have accepted lockdown while we wait for vaccination to be available but the antivaxxers and freedom even if it kills both you and me mob have gotten out of hand and it is they who must be suppressed. We have infected people roaming the land just because they think it is a good thing, idiot truck drivers who are continuing their interstate journeys even when they know they are infected, one of these even resulted in his own mother's death. I say have a complete quick sharp lockdown and everyone stay put for two weeks, you won't starve

It's not a "small state". The virus is spread via human contact. You've never been to SD, have you.But you are completely missing the point. The virus HAS been spreading, and they have had a spike in infections, but the death rate is zero, so population density has nothing to do with it. They are doing something right.

But you are completely missing the point. The virus HAS been spreading, and they have had a spike in infections, but the death rate is zero, so population density has nothing to do with it. They are doing something right.
How is it spread in your state? Why aren't infected people dying?

That’s a great question. Perhaps we should find out.

That’s a great question. Perhaps we should find out.
By WLOX Staff
Published: Jul. 27, 2021 at 9:14 AM CDT

JACKSON, Miss. (WLOX) - The Mississippi State Department of Health reported 1,291 new cases of COVID-19 and 15 new deaths in the state on Tuesday. The number of new cases were reported between 3pm Sunday and 3pm Monday.https://www.wlox.com/2021/07/27/1291-new-covid-19-cases-15-new-deaths-reported-tuesday-mississippi/

Population density is obviously a factor

Population density is obviously a factor
Exactly! Here's South Dakota:
https://www.travelsouthdakota.com

Pop density does not explain why the death rate in SD is zero. The infection rate is significant, but the death rate is zero. So if we think a little, we should ask, "Why is that? What are they doing right?" Same very low death rate is also going on in Alabama, California, and Florida. Cases are up, but deaths are either very low or zero. Why?

Pop density does not explain why the death rate in SD is zero.
Great! Then Mayor Lightfoot will be happy when I tell her that.

Like I said, "If we think a little." That's the key. Pop density cannot be the answer.

Clete it is clear that the virus mutation rate makes it an endemic situation that will not be completely solved or eradicated for many years .That truck driver you speak of does not have the luxury that you clearly have to lock down and wait it out . He has to feed his family AND your cities that are being locked down need the goods he brings to your markets . Have you heard about the current supply chain inflation ? Keeping your transportation system locked down contributes to that problem .Weakening your economy and your liberties is exactly the wrong way of fighting this battle .

There has to be a long term approach to this . The virus is doing textbook Darwin mutating . The CDC director is correct about vaccines . The vaccine does not prevent someone vaxed from getting the virus and spreading it . A few variants or so may make the current vaccines completely ineffective .

The death rate ? It is not in the virus best interest to kill off it's host . So your see a more virulent but less deadly variety in the Delta variant ;and that will probably be the case in the other Greek letters that you will hear about shortly .

Yes the vax is part of the solution. But unless that makes it to the developing world where new strains are evolving and multiplying then all your lock downs will be nothing more than spinning your wheels in sand.

Long term the development of treatments may be more important than development of vaccines .

give it a rest Tom you can't vaccinate the whole world against a strain that hasn't happened yet

Clete is perfectly happen to sit at home and force the rest of his country to do likewise.

Correct Clete . Humans have to adapt and live normal lives with the risk

I admit a general lockdown is an over reaction, however the community has to be protected from idiots

Humans have to adapt and live normal lives with the risk




I think that's about right. Get vaxed if you want to, but otherwise it's somewhat like getting in your car and driving to work. You simply accept the risk. If I was under thirty, I don't think I'd take the vaccine. Of course for me, thirty was a LOONNNGGG time ago.

Get vaxed if you want to, but otherwise it's somewhat like getting in your car and driving to work.
Do not put on your seatbelt or stop for red lights and stop signs or obey the speed limit (go as fast as you want to). Heck, drive in whichever lane you want to!

vaccination should be mandated

For the sheeple, yes.

they still do not even have FDA approval . They are a long way away from being proven. Now Quid is trying to use a study about AstraZeneca's
vax that is has been rejected by peer review to justify more mask mandates . I'll say it again . The Dems do not want the "crisis " to go away . They do not want normal because if things were normal they could never pass the massive spending bills going through Congress.

Still don’t understand why it is anyone else’s business if I get vaccinated.

Still don’t understand why it is anyone else’s business if I get vaccinated.
If you haven't, stay home.

Still don’t understand why it is anyone else’s business if I get vaccinated.

because you carry the idea of liberty to excess, true liberty is exercising your responsibility to your fellows and being held accountable

Total antibody levels start to wane six weeks after complete ..

Total antibody levels start to wane six weeks after complete ..
You musta missed the polio scare back in the '40s and '50s.

Yes vaccination might mean booster shots as it does with flu vaccination or other vaccinations. This isn't a silver bullet but a protection for both you and your neighbours, your friends, your family so stop the B/S and get on with the job

a study published in The Lancet journal has found that the total antibody levels start to become weaker six weeks after completing immunisation with Pfizer and AstraZeneca vaccines. The antibody levels may also be reduced by more than 50 per cent over 10 weeks or 2-3 months.



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because you carry the idea of liberty to excess, true liberty is exercising your responsibility to your fellows and being held accountable
Good conclusion! And his need for liberty must mean he's a liberal.

You must missed the polio scare back in the '40s and '50s.

I didn't miss it, my freaked out mother created life long health problems for me because of her reaction, and the stupid ideas prevalent at the time

a study published in The Lancet journal has found that the total antibody levels start to become weaker six weeks after completing immunisation
Did you get vaccines (maybe smallpox and polio) when you were a baby? And the required booster shots as followup?


I didn't miss it, my freaked out mother created life long health problems for me because of her reaction, and the stupid ideas prevalent at the time
No swimming in public pools! We believed even the neighborhood stray dog carried polio, so we named him that.

Still haven’t seen an explanation as to why it’s anyone’s business but mine as to whether I get Vaxed.

Still haven’t seen an explanation as to why it’s anyone’s business but mine as to whether I get Vaxed.
It isn't. Just don't leave your house if you aren't. We don't want you prolonging the pandemic -- and making people sick and killing them.

Why shouldn’t I leave my house? How can I make people sick who are vaccinated?

lol J don't you see ? someone else has to decide how much liberty you are allowed.

They think we forget that during the campaign Quid and Kam the Sham was the ones peddling distrust of the vaccines .

Why shouldn’t I leave my house? How can I make people sick who are vaccinated?
What if the people you interact with haven't had and refuse to get the vaccination? You don't know who has gotten it and who hasn't.

Then that’s the risk they choose to take. Why is that anyone’s business but theirs?

I suspected you were a dill, but I didn't expect you to provide the evidence, Thank you

Dumb comments aren’t answers. Try thinking a little and see if you can answer the question. Unlikely, but you might get lucky.

Then that’s the risk they choose to take. Why is that anyone’s business but theirs?
So you refuse to get vaccinated, and go out and about being a super spreader. I understand now.

I am always lucky, I live in the lucky country, one that is far away from people like yourself. You think that argument for argument's sake is the way out of covid 19

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by tomder55 https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/custom/vgo/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?p=3872333#post3872333)
a study published in The Lancet journal has found that the total antibody levels start to become weaker six weeks after completing immunisation



Did you get vaccines (maybe smallpox and polio) when you were a baby? And the required booster shots as followup?






When vaccines eradicate the flu or the common cold then get back to me .

So you refuse to get vaccinated, and go out and about being a super spreader. I understand now.You understand nothing. I was vaccinated months ago. Still, you did answer the question back in post 42. "It isn't."


I am always lucky, I live in the lucky country, one that is far away from people like yourself. You think that argument for argument's sake is the way out of covid 19More dumb comments but still no answer. Try thinking a little. If I choose to assume the risk of being non-vaxed, how would that be the business of the government of the U.S.? Or even in a semi-totalitarian country like Australia where people are growing accustomed to having ever fewer liberties, why should a non-vaxed person be subject to compulsory vaccination?


lol J don't you see ? someone else has to decide how much liberty you are allowed.That does seem to be the order of the day. Interesting how liberal dems are so enthusiastic about the Trump vaccine.

Now the Aussies are bringing in the military to enforce lockdowns . I rest my case .


Sydney readies for the army as lockdown fails to squash Australia Delta outbreak (msn.com) (https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/sydney-readies-for-the-army-as-lockdown-fails-to-squash-australia-delta-outbreak/ar-AAMJv3H?ocid=uxbndlbing)

The Australians are using the military to augment the local police and covid testing, this is nothing new, the military are often used in emergency situations. They are unarmed and part of the door to door checking. What the government has identified is there are too many idiots not heeding directions and prolonging the lockdown. What this means is you do not have the freedom to infect others

you should be more concerned about the consequences of catching covid

https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/australiafirst-study-to-investigate-health-effects-on-people-suffering-from-long-covid/news-story/a98757378a10b6f2ef245cca48298c7d

The Australians are using the military to augment the local police and covid testing, this is nothing new.

you should be more concerned about the consequences of catching covid

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. The military is now being used to enforce the will of the government, but that is of no real concern to sheeple. Be more concerned about becoming ill! Liberty means nothing.

Yup the virus kicked my a$$ when I had it and long term effects are tbd . My 2 cents worth is that everyone should do what they can ;whether they have had it or not ,to strengthen your immune system .

That does seem to be the order of the day. Interesting how liberal dems are so enthusiastic about the Trump vaccine.

if enough people who have had the vaccine get infected then you may see the Dems call it the Trump vaccine again

if enough people who have had the vaccine get infected then you may see the Dems call it the Trump vaccine again

No one ever called it the Trump vaccine except the far-right wackos.

Remember operation Warp-Speed, for which the Trump administration was responsible? Does anyone wonder why it would be called the Trump vaccine? One thing we can be sure of. If the vaccine had proven to be harmful or ineffective, it would be blamed on the Trump admin in a heartbeat.

How quickly you get off track and divert the thread to you pet hate, Trump

Sydney cops pepper spray 12 year old for not wearing a mask ..
Covid: Western Sydney girl, 12, pepper sprayed as police arrest family for failing to wear a mask | Daily Mail Online (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9755781/Covid-Western-Sydney-girl-12-pepper-sprayed-police-arrest-family-failing-wear-mask.html)


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E9BNvjkX0AYrA5R?format=jpg&name=900x900

Those liberty loving Aussie are at it again!

Wearing masks are specified, the type is not so we have the liberty to wear any mask we want to

The brand of pepper spray is also not specified, so police have liberty to choose a brand of their own choice.

Sometimes our police become a little frustrated, I'm sure you have encountered the syndrome where you live, liberty is not an excuse for civil disobedience whatever you might think. Trouble makers are always looking for an excuse and this pack got what they were asking for. Not the first time they have had caused trouble. Attitude is everything, and bad attitude will get you nowhere.

there are some in this community who think they own the place and can do whatever they want

this pack got what they were asking for.What "pack" was the 12 year old girl part of? You had unmasked police arresting people because...they weren't wearing masks. Now I know that, for you, since this happened in Australia where everything is bright and shiny, it is a textbook example of how laws and the police ought to operate. For the rest of us, it smells. And it's not like I have any problem with the cops enforcing laws or have any support for loud-mouthed families, but the law itself is ridiculous and puts the police in a tough spot.

The law is a public health law duly enacted and accented and enforceable. What did these miscreates do, they assaulted police. Not acceptable anywhere. The question isn't whether the police wore masks the question is were they enforcing the law?

let us be clear what you do there is up to you, what we do here is up to us

The question isn't whether the police wore masks the question is were they enforcing the law?So you're saying it's OK for the police to break the law, but not the average citizen?


let us be clear what you do there is up to you, what we do here is up to us
Why don't you follow your own advice? A day doesn't go by but that you feel obliged to comment negatively on our country. Why doesn't that apply to you as well, that "what we do here is up to us"?

So you're saying it's OK for the police to break the law, but not the average citizen?

Why don't you follow your own advice? A day doesn't go by but that you feel obliged to comment negatively on our country. Why doesn't that apply to you as well, that "what we do here is up to us"?

I don't know the police broke the law, there was an accusation they weren't wearing masks but they were outdoors so mask wearing might not have been mandatory in the situation. You comment negatively on my country obviously going out of your way to find negative articles however i don't have to look far to find negatives regarding yours

It was not my article.

You are clearly not inclined to follow your own advice. Why did you even bother to offer it to others?

I'll offer some to you, have you been told today, consider yourself told