Several thousand Afghanis who aided the US Military in that long war as translators and interpreters, some even in combat, are waiting to be transported to safety in the US before they are killed by the Taliban. One young man has been waiting 4 years (!!) for a visa.

So what's the holdup? Biden has repeatedly confirmed that these allies should be admitted to the US, but it's not happening. A person involved has complained that the delay lies with the Department of Homeland Security. These bureaucratic morons say that once the Afghan allies arrive on US soil, they will have more rights than if they had not been on US soil, and therefore would have access to due process if necessary to appeal a ruling.

I'm not making this up.

They have already been vetted by the US Army before fighting alongside our soldiers, so how much more vetting is necessary? Even so, why would the many thousands be delayed because of the possibility of one being questionable?

Instead of routing them through Guam, a US territory whose governor has written to Biden offering Guam as a transit point as they have done in the past, the DHS has suggested they be routed through a third country which is not US soil and where they will have no rights to appeal a ruling. Biden hasn't answered the letter according to the governor.

The ones who worked alongside British and French forces have already been safely transported to those countries without delay.

Someone needs to give the boys at DHS a kick in the arse to get our allies to safety before the Taliban gets to them.

What about their families?

What about their families?

The majority have families with small children. The families are included. Guam was the transit point for hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese families, as were Kurdish families.

I completely agree with the sentiment of the op. I fear we are witnessing a repeat of the end of Vietnam . When you see the images of copters on the roof of the US Embassy in Saigon evacuating Marines and embassy personnel, realize that they were not escaping NV regulars or Vietcong. The embassy was overrun by people who had assisted the US and were looking for sanctuary and escape from retribution


'No one Left Behind' is an organization addressing this concern that deserves our support .

No One Left Behind - Non-Profit Charity (https://nooneleft.org/)

According to the organization, on average, two former Afghan translators have been killed a month since the beginning of the year.

I hope this is the final nail in the Colin Powell 'Pottery Barn' rule . You can go to war for good reasons ......destroy a country that is an enemy or harbors enemies ,and not be responsible for fixing it . We went to Afghanistan because the Taliban refused to stop giving Bin Laden shelter and a base of operations . We worked with the Northern Alliance to take them out . At that point we should've handed it over to the Alliance instead of attempting to build a democratic nation as we imagine it .

You don't get it you never defeated the Taliban, you can't defeat an idea with guns, they just faded into the population and carried on a twenty year insurgency and now you have given up

I agree with Athos on this one. They should be gotten over here ASAP. We could just fly them into Juarez and tell them to walk across like practically everyone else.

you can't defeat an idea with guns,That's a pretty fair comment. Don't think the German Nazis would agree with you, but it's still a good comment. It's certainly difficult.

Is the Taliban merely an idea, or is it an organized group of terrorists?

The Taliban was DEFEATED ;driven from power for 20 years .The idea is Islamic jihadistan .That has not been defeated .

We tried to manufacture a western style democratic government . That was a bridge too far . Had we handed off to the Afghanis and walked away telling them that we would take them out again f they became a terrorist base again we would've saved American lives and a whole lot of money .

Now what will happen is that the Taliban will assume control with their Paki allies and China will enter the Great Game as the Paki allies . China's turn in the cauldron .

When you're wounded and left on Afghanistan's plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains and go to your gawd like a soldier.

why is this an afterthought? you knew when you were leaving, we knew when we were leaving, extra aircraft should have been laid on. It isn't as though you didn't control the airfields and air space

why is this an afterthought? you knew when you were leaving, we knew when we were leaving, extra aircraft should have been laid on. It isn't as though you didn't control the airfields and air space

The reason for the delay is given in post #1.

The delay is political, f##kups always are

Speaking of "You can't make this stuff up," the annual Demographic Report put out by the DNI used this pic on its cover. The problem? The whole thing was cooked up, being assembled by using stock photos available on the web. So the people in the picture DON'T work for the intelligence community. It is especially true of the woman in the wheelchair and the blind man who had to be added to the original stock photo. And good money (that we don't have) is used to cook this stuff up. https://www.bizpacreview.com/2021/07/10/tucker-viciously-mocks-odni-for-using-obviously-photoshopped-stock-photo-to-brag-about-diversity-1101750/https://www.bing.com/images/blob?bcid=SH44wmxn1fkCDQ

of note ;the Taliban started the new offensive May 1 . The very day Trump announced to the world that the US would ending it's involvement and leaving the country . I said it then that it was a mistake to announce a date certain withdrawal . But I never thought there would be an irresponsible bug out in the dead of night leaving behind human assets deserved better from us .

It was irresponsible. Can't see how anyone else will trust us after this debacle.

another news flash only the stupid trust you. When needed I fear you won't be there

The Aussies, on the other hand, don't have anything to be there with.

We have a long record of doing much with little, you forget we fought in two world wars with honour and distinction

You have a long history of doing little with little.

at least we don't have along history of B/S and F##kups

Hard to mess up when you attempt but little.

Yes our boys held back the Japanese at Kokoda while you retreated from the Philippines and yet you had far more than we did, Please don't talk about how much you did, because it was your B/S that brought you into WWII. With our little we raided Singapore while you took a few islands with a mighty fleet. It was our strike force that led your invasion into Iraq. We fought the Germans for years in both wars while you sat on your duff and partied

We took a few islands? You are delusional if you believe that. The famous battle of Kokoda? Doubtful.

You used atomic weapons on what was really a defeated nation out of fear, There is no glory in that and yes, your pacific campaign was island hoping and on every one you got a bloody nose as you overwhelmed an entrenched enemy with many fewer soldiers. I have no doubt if you had atomic weapons earlier those islands would have been reduced to rubble with hardly a shot fired

Read some history. Learn a little and overcome your ignorance.

You used atomic weapons on what was really a defeated nation out of fear Defeated ? They did not even surrender after Hiroshima ! They did not surrender until after a second bomb was dropped . They did not surrender as Tokyo was raised in a firebomb attack that killed over 100,000 civilians .

Invading this "defeated " enemy would've cost the US over a million casualties and around 800,000 American deaths . There would've been 5-10 million Japanese killed in a US invasion of the so called "defeated " nation.

Read some history. Learn a little and overcome your ignorance.

Take your own advice and stop taking your history from the propaganda machine in Hollywood


Defeated ? They did not even surrender after Hiroshima ! They did not surrender until after a second bomb was dropped . They did not surrender as Tokyo was raised in a firebomb attack that killed over 100,000 civilians .

Invading this "defeated " enemy would've cost the US over a million casualties and around 800,000 American deaths . There would've been 5-10 million Japanese killed in a US invasion of the so called "defeated " nation.

and you saw no other way than wage a war on civilians? why didn't you bomb the Japanese emperor. It was emperor worship that prolonged the war. A swift end to Hirohito would have destroyed their god and they would have lain down their arms in shame. You don't understand the oriental mind, never did, and still don't

I certainly don't take my history from a prejudiced, bitter man in Australia. As to your second paragraph, you need to read some history. You don't know what you're talking about.

No I is you who don't know what you are talking about. America took revenge on Japan. I understand this and the reason for it

You think me prejudiced and bitter, but I present you with facts which contradict your world view. You think america should rule the world but that would be one empire too many

You think me prejudiced and bitter, but I present you with facts which contradict your world view. You think america should rule the world but that would be one empire too many.It is a fact that you are prejudiced and bitter. Your history "facts" are absurd. No one but you is suggesting that the U.S. should be an empire.

It's these kinds of comments that make you look delusional. "while you took a few islands with a mighty fleet. It was our strike force that led your invasion into Iraq." WW2 could have been won with no participation at all from your country's military. The Iraq war would have been won without your little "strike force" which certainly did not lead anything. American armor was the tip of the spear in that assault.

We certainly have our problems, and it wouldn't surprise me at all to see the wheels fall off the cart, but it gets old having to listen to a bitter little man from a little country that's never done much of anything constantly harping and crowing about it.

very simple clearly you do not understand the Imperial Cult that ran Japan ;the reverence the military had for him ;and the fact that he was also the high priest of the Shinto religion . For the same reason Hirohito was not charged with war crimes and executed was the same reason why he was not targeted during the war. It was better to convince the emperor to surrender and then have him cooperate in a post war administration .Because of that the people of Japan went along with the occupation and became one of our strongest allies today .

Any attempt to depose the Emperor, would embitter the Japanese, thereby making governing Japan far more difficult to enforce, and plant the seeds for future conflict. If America could exercise its occupation via Japanese authorities acting under the aegis of the Emperor, both the need for massive American forces or the potential complications and frustrations of a shared occupation with other Allies (the Soviet Union) could be avoided.

The dropping of the A bombs saved the lives of hundreds of thousands of Allies servicemen and perhaps a million Japanese by making the invasion of the Japanese homeland unnecessary.

it is a no brainer .ANY of the nations in the war would've used the A Bomb once it was developed .

Don’t mean to be too hard on Clete. Love and respect his country. His anti-American diatribes, frequently based on half-truths, get old.

He does make one valid point. Part of the responsibility for the creation of an Imperial Japanese state lies in policies by Teddy Roosevelt and Howard Taft . Best source of that info is ' The Imperial Cruise ' by James Brady author of ' Flags of Our Fathers '. Brady goes too far in assigning sole responsibility to Roosevelt . But he examines a part of our involvement that is generally ignored in the teaching of the history of the Pacific War.

No doubt we shoulder our share of the blame, but we also get our share of credit.

You are incorrigible

Thank you for confirming my point about you.

I confirm nothing and since you don't know me you are not qualified to comment

And since you don't know us, then you are likewise not qualified to comment.

Oh I know you

You think you do. That's the dangerous part.

There is nothing more dangerous than you

Feb 20 last year ; Trump reached a deal with the Taliban that would lead to US withdrawal. The US military under Chair Joint Chiefs of Staff Mark Milley decided to overturn the authority of the elected Commander in Chief . The word went out that the deal was contingent on the "conditions on the ground" . The military then went out of it's way to undermine the deal according to direct testimony to Congress by CentCom commander Kenneth MacKenzie. The Pentagon launched more than 30 drone attacks and eight night raids led by Special Operations forces against the Taliban effectively killing a peaceful withdrawal . Milley then told Trump that it would only be possible to remove half the US troops to maintain the deal that he had just effectively undermined .

There is another mad dog out there on the battle field