AOC posted recently that her grandmother was living in poverty because, she claimed, Trump had blocked hurricane relief. She included some pics of her "abuela's" house which, she said, was in terrible condition. That raised the question of why AOC, who just recently purchased a Tesla for 70K, could not get off her sorry backside and help her own grandmother, thus relieving the American taxpayers of the burden of doing so. In that regard she would certainly seem to be the stereotypical liberal dem, but others, happily, did respond. A GoFundMe account was started with the intention of raising money to help, and they raised 100 grand in about half a day, but both AOC and the grandmother REFUSED THE HELP!! Evidently the supposed political profit from having a destitute grandmother is more important than the grandmother.

SUPPORT: https://www.newsmax.com/politics/aoc-puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-alexandria-ocasio-cortez/2021/06/05/id/1024032/

Evidently the supposed political profit from having a destitute grandmother is more important than the grandmother.
You and Matt Walsh missed AOC's point entirely! Your cherrypicking and insistence on the literal always trips you up.

Nah. You just fall for anything a lib dem says. I have no respect at all for anyone so sorry they won’t help their own grandmother. How sorry can you get? And then too dumb to accept help from a third party? Yeah. The literal is pretty bad there. If Trump had done it, your head would be exploding. Situational ethics at play.

Nah. You just fall for anything a lib dem says. I have no respect at all for anyone so sorry they won’t help their own grandmother.
And you know she hasn't? And how do you know?

And then too dumb to accept help from a third party?
And that third party's motives were what?

NEVER would I start a GoFundMe campaign without first talking with the potential recipient(s) as to their needs.

And yep, you totally missed it (cherrypicking again?). AOC said (her point in mentioning her abuela): "Hurricane María relief hasn’t arrived. Trump blocked relief $ for PR. People are being forced to flee ancestral homes, & developers are taking them," she said. "We immediately got to work reaching out to community advocates and leaders and following the money. What’s happening to Puerto Ricans is systemic. Much of it can be traced to La Junta, aka the Wall Street-connected fiscal control board that the US gave power to over the island."

Because according to AOC, her grandmother is still living in poverty, so either she is a sorry person who would not help her own grandmother, or she is a liar. Take your pick.

I don't know the third party's motives, but I do know they collected 100K for her. How much did you collect?


NEVER would I start a GoFundMe campaign without first talking with the potential recipient(s) as to their needs.How noble of you. So while you were doing nothing, they were doing something. I like them a lot better. Your words are worthless.


Hurricane María relief hasn’t arrived.
It certainly hasn't arrived from her. You are such a lib dem. The only charity that counts is the charity that arrives from the feds in the form of other people's money. It's so common.


What’s happening to Puerto Ricans is systemic. Much of it can be traced to La Junta, aka the Wall Street-connected fiscal control board that the US gave power to over the island."Remember the Athos principle of documentation.

Because according to AOC, her grandmother is still living in poverty, so either she is a sorry person who would not help her own grandmother, or she is a liar. Take your pick.

I don't know the third party's motives, but I do know they collected 100K for her. How much did you collect?

How noble of you. So while you were doing nothing, they were doing something. I like them a lot better. Your words are worthless.

It certainly hasn't arrived from her. You are such a lib dem. The only charity that counts is the charity that arrives from the feds in the form of other people's money. It's so common.

Remember the Athos principle of documentation.

Wow, you sure get nasty when you're on the wrong side of a discussion. With you, nasty always trumps truth.

Read your own link to answer your question. It's right there.

Then re-read WG's post where the truth is laid out. Your nastiness is on a par with your "intelligence".

Pray tell - what is the Athos principle of documentation? Is it anything like your suffering from ADS?

Because according to AOC, her grandmother is still living in poverty
Documentation?

I don't know the third party's motives
Oh, golly gee whiz. Take a guess.

So while you were doing nothing, they were doing something.
Again, their motive?

It certainly hasn't arrived from her.
Documentation?

The documentation is in the link in post one that you obviously didn’t bother to read.

I don’t know the motive and neither do you. I do know that they helped and you didn’t, so your holier than thou attitude is foolishness.

I wonder what AOC’s motive was for sitting on her axx while her gm was in poverty??? I hope that Tesla drives well.

The documentation is in the link in post one that you obviously didn’t bother to read.
YOU didn't bother to read the entire article but simply picked the sweetest cherries.

I wonder what AOC’s motive was for sitting on her axx while her gm was in poverty??? I hope that Tesla drives well.
Your information is soooooo incorrect. I won't even bother to sit you down and explain. You wouldn't listen and would refuse to understand anyway.

Another empty response. Believe lies if you want to but spout them to someone else. AOCs post was very clear. My info was exactly correct.

Another empty response. Believe lies if you want to but spout them to someone else. AOCs post was very clear. My info was exactly correct.
There was a LOT more to AOC's quote than what you posted.

I portrayed the story about her gm exactly as it was. If you want to talk about Trump, then start another thread, but I'm not going to believe anything a sorry scumbag says who will not even support her own gm. No way. And especially not when she is scooting around in her new Tesla.

This sort of vacuous response from you gets old. "Your information is soooooo incorrect. I won't even bother to sit you down and explain. You wouldn't listen and would refuse to understand anyway." It is entirely devoid of any information. No one would take it seriously. If you want to be taken seriously, then post something meaningful.

I portrayed the story about her gm exactly as it was. If you want to talk about Trump, then start another thread, but I'm not going to believe anything a sorry scumbag says who will not even support her own gm. No way. And especially not when she is scooting around in her new Tesla.
AOC has reported on her abuela whose house is being repaired while she lives in a safe place.

No one would take it seriously. If you want to be taken seriously, then post something meaningful.
Meaningful, like your posts?

Document your AOC info.

Document your AOC info.
It's in the link you posted.

Here's the entire tweet:
"And for the record - my abuela is doing okay. It’s not about us, but about what’s happening to Puerto Rican’s across the island. She had a place to go to and be cared for - what about the thousands of people who don’t?"

A followup tweet by Jake Squibbs:
"All those responding with negatively towards AOC have totally missed the point she is making! People all over PR are suffering because of the incompetence of the previous administration."

Where does it say her house is being repaired?

Where does it say her house is being repaired?
Google that.

Her gm has been in distress. What has she done to help her other than run her mouth?

A followup tweet by Jake Squibbs:
"All those responding with negatively towards AOC have totally missed the point she is making! People all over PR are suffering because of the incompetence of the previous administration."

so her grandmother has to suffer so she can make a point, so much for caring liberal politics

Her gm has been in distress. What has she done to help her other than run her mouth?
Why are you so concerned about her abuela now? The hurricane was in September 2017. Why weren't you concerned then?

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/923274881197895680/AbHcStkl_x96.jpg (https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC)

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez

@AOC
(https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC)
Jun 2 (https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC/status/1400161274051371008)
And for the record - my abuela is doing okay. It’s not about us, but about what’s happening to Puerto Rican’s across the island.She had a place to go to and be cared for - what about the thousands of people who don’t?
(https://mobile.twitter.com/AOC)

And again. Where does it say her house is being repaired? Or was that a lie?

And that is the main point. Aoc has done nothing that we know of to help her own gm. Pretty scummy. Like I’ve said; hope that Tesla drives well.

And that is the main point.

You have gone off on a toot which is extreme even for you.

AOC's obvious point was the Trump WH denying aid to Puerto Rico. Her grandmother, as stated by AOC and two members here, was taken care of. But you leapt on this point like a fly on s**t.

The GoFundMe business was intended to make trouble for AOC by purposely and maliciously focusing on the grandmother, EXACTLY LIKE YOU HAVE DONE. Her refusal to accept it clearly showed that she knew the game.

Jl, a blind man could see what you're doing. If you truly do not see what WG and others have tried to make you see, then you badly need to open up and smell the coffee.

Your anger even made you use bad language which was totally uncalled for. You're coming close to blowing a mental gasket.

Your out-of-control rage against AOC reinforces my belief that you do not like brown or black people.

Blah blah blah. Aoc will not even help her own gm. And that’s your hero. Wow.

TDS knows no bounds.

Did not use bad language. Out of control rage? Wayyyyy too much drama.

And that is the main point. Aoc has done nothing that we know of to help her own gm. Pretty scummy. Like I’ve said; hope that Tesla drives well.

you say "nothing you know of" as if you are all knowing, she may have done something, just not what you think she should have done. Ok she is fair game, she is a politician and held to a higher standard but I think this is because she dared to stick her head up

you say "nothing you know of" as if you are all knowing, she may have done something, just not what you think she should have done. Ok she is fair game, she is a politician and held to a higher standard but I think this is because she dared to stick her head up

Or because she is an outspoken liberal female of color which the right wing fringers hate.

Yes the great divide. But why, why don't you put the country first?

you say "nothing you know of" as if you are all knowing, she may have done something, just not what you think she should have done.If you know of something, then post it. That's why I said, "nothing that WE know of". I do know they refused 100K worth of help because the source was a conservative journalist. She's driving her new Tesla (70K car) around while her gm is, according to her, living in poverty. Doing nothing to help your own gm while running your mouth about Trump is pretty bad.

Puerto Rico suffers because the US still treats it as a colony . As an example ,if a ship with a foreign flag is loaded with supplies for the island it must first dock at Jacksonville Fl. ;have the cargo removed and reloaded onto another ship with a US flag before the freight can end up at it's destination (Jones Act ) . That means that the people pay 15-20% more for goods and things like emergency supply get needlessly delayed .

Puerto Ricans are treated as second class citizens. They have only one Representative in the U.S. Congress who cannot cast a vote on the House floor. This is your classic taxation without representation.

Periodically the island has referendum votes about their status . Typically they are given 3 options ;independence ,becoming a state ,or status quo. I suggest that last option be eliminated . The island should either be an independent nation or a state. The last plebiscite had 97% of the people voting for statehood. BUT opposition parties boycotted the vote. My question is why would AOC support a choice where status quo is acceptable ? Remove that option .

AOC has introduced legislation where status quo is still an option . If she is satisfied with the people of the island having 2nd class status she should say so . Then she should shut up about how the people of the island are treated . They are exploited regardless of the party in power.

f a ship with a foreign flag is loaded with supplies for the island it must first dock at Jacksonville Fl. ;have the cargo removed a................................(etc.)........... ........nd reloaded onto another ship with a US flag before the freight can end up at it's destination (........................................(etc).... ..........e on the House floor. This is your classic taxation without representation. AOC has introduced legislation where status quo is still an option . If she is satisfied with the people of the island having ..........................etc..................... .........ould shut up about how the people of the island are treated . They are exploited regardless of the party in power.

You're deflecting. The issue here is how the Trump WH denied help to Puerto Rico after the hurricane.

No it's not. This thread is about AOC's blatant disregard for her, according to her, destitute gm and her refusal to allow others to help. The deflector here is you.

A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.

No it's not. This thread is about AOC's blatant disregard for her, according to her, destitute gm and her refusal to allow others to help. The deflector here is you.

A simple agreement would be helpful. "
Again, you have totally missed AOC's point. This has nothing to do with her family's handling of abuela's care (mucho) and has everything to do with Trump's handling of Puerto Rico's citizens' care (nada). "You can't see the forest (Trump's refusal) for the trees" (abuela details) -- an idiom in the English language that fits perfectly here because you are so focused on the details that you cannot (you refuse to?) see or understand the whole issue.

It has everything to do with her neglect of her gm. That's what this thread is about. Pretty sure I'm right since I'm the one who started it. Your attempt to deflect is simply not going to work.


A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.

It has everything to do with her neglect of her gm. That's what this thread is about.
That has never been an issue -- has become one only because of hatred.

It's an issue now. If you are saying she hates her gm, then you might be on to something. What else would you call it when a person refuses, for four years, to help her suffering gm, and refuses to allow others to help?

It's an issue now. If you are saying she hates her gm, then you might be on to something. What else would you call it when a person refuses, for four years, to help her suffering gm, and refuses to allow others to help?

I call it right wing BS based on lies falsehoods and ignorance.

...when a person refuses, for four years, to help her suffering gm, and refuses to allow others to help?
You know this how?

Another tweet to Walsh from AOC on June 2, 2021:
"My abuela is okay. But instead of only caring for mine & letting others suffer, I’m calling attention to the systemic injustices you seem totally fine w/ in having a US colony."

I know that how? The link in post 1.

If she is truly "caring for mine", then how is it that four years later, the gm's house is still not repaired? And since the house is still not repaired, why would she turn down 100 grand she could use to repair her gm's house and possibly someone else's as well? And bear in mind that they raised the 100K in only ten hours. What if AOC had gotten behind the fundraising and even plopped in 10K herself? How much do you think they could have raised? It would have been a truly bipartisan effort that could have been an example for others to follow.

It certainly seems that you'll believe anything from a lib dem.

Might add that not even AOC placed the blame squarely on Trump. "Ocasio-Cortez said the holdup in relief funds was "systemic," and said the Trump administration had a "major role, but it wasn’t just them." "Much of it can be traced to La Junta, aka the Wall Street-connected fiscal control board that the US gave power to over the island," she said.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/aoc-photo-grandmothers-home-puerto-rico-trump-blocked-relief


A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.

why would she turn down 100 grand she could use to repair her gm's house and possibly someone else's as well?
Her point was NOT the repair of her abuela's house or all the neighbors' homes or the ... nm, you just don't get it. And you were an educator?

She is welcome to any point she wants. The fact remains that her gm's house has been in disrepair for four years and AOC seemingly couldn't care less. Perhaps the political ammo it provides is just too good?

I do wish you would respond to these. Still afraid to respond?

1.If she is truly "caring for mine", then how is it that four years later, the gm's house is still not repaired?

2. What if AOC had gotten behind the fundraising and even plopped in 10K herself? How much do you think they could have raised?

3. A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.

I do wish you would respond to these. Still afraid to respond?
Moi? Afraid? *laughing hysterically*

1.If she is truly "caring for mine", then how is it that four years later, the gm's house is still not repaired?
You know that it's not?

2. What if AOC had gotten behind the fundraising and even plopped in 10K herself? How much do you think they could have raised?
I don't give a rip. The entire island needs financial help.

3. A simple agreement would be helpful. "Yes, a person who refuses to help her gm and refuses to accept help from others is pretty sorry." It would certainly allow us to move on.
Absolutely do not agree. You're dragging me down into pettiness. Guess I'll put on my librarian hat and contact AOC.

I don't give a rip.Pretty much sums it up. It's a lot easier to be critical of Trump than it is to get off your rear end and do something productive.


You know that it's not?Yes. And again, it's that link on post 1, with the accompanying pics on the twitter link, that shows it. So now that we have that established, I'll ask you again. If she is truly "caring for mine", then how is it that four years later, the gm's house is still not repaired?

So in your mind it's OK for a person to refuse to help their needy gm and also refuse to allow others to help her. Well, all I can say to that is "Wow!!" That's incredible. It's where your liberal political position has taken you.

One more question. Considering that her granddaughter has a good income, why should the American taxpayer be responsible for fixing granny's house? Why can't a well to do congresswoman take care of her own grandmother?

Here are the pics. Does it look repaired to you???




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E25VQJIXMAQb8gh?format=jpg&name=largehttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/E25VQJUXEAEgDEG?format=jpg&name=large

it is in fact AOC's hatred of Trump that makes her deflect from the true causes of most of the hardship of the people of Puerto Rico . She is just using her Grandmother as a prop .

She is just using her Grandmother as a prop .That would seem to be a logical conclusion.

I still like this question. Considering that her granddaughter has a good income, why should the American taxpayer be responsible for fixing granny's house? Why can't a well to do congresswoman take care of her own grandmother?

No, She is just using her Grandmother as a prop .
No, as an example.

So that explains why she is actively opposing the repair of her gm's house. It's all too valuable as an "example". Wow. What a sickening thought.

why should the American taxpayer be responsible for fixing granny's house? Why can't a well to do congresswoman take care of her own grandmother?
Your grandmother lives in Canada that has universal healthcare. She ends up in the hospital and has to have her left leg amputated because of cellulitus. Will you pay all her hospital/medical expenses?

If that was what was needed, then of course I would. But you are making a false comparison. All Canadians are entitled to med care by law. Americans are not entitled, by law, to have their houses fixed.

Would you let your gm's house be a shambles for four years and then prevent a group from repairing it because you don't agree with them politically? I would think it would be an absolute embarrassment. Why didn't she make sure her gm had insurance on her house?

"He (she) who does not take care of his own is worse than an infidel."

Considering that her granddaughter has a good income, why should the American taxpayer be responsible for fixing granny's house? Why can't a well to do congresswoman take care of her own grandmother?
Puerto Rico funds the US government
Puerto Ricans who live on the island aren’t just American citizens — they’re American taxpayers. They pay payroll taxes, business taxes, and estate taxes. They helped pay for disaster relief in Texas after Hurricane Harvey and in Florida after Hurricane Irma.


[Puerto Rico is] entitled to the same response and financial help that the federal government extended to those states. This is not a matter of charity or goodwill. It’s how the federal government is supposed to work.
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/10/4/16385658/puerto-rico-taxes-hurricane

Puerto Rico funds the US government
Puerto Ricans who live on the island aren’t just American citizens — they’re American taxpayers. Which is why they should become a state . As a territory they are not given fair treatment . AOC proposes more of the same by leaving status quo as an option.

Puerto Rico funds the US government
Puerto Ricans who live on the island aren’t just American citizens — they’re American taxpayers. They pay payroll taxes, business taxes, and estate taxes. They helped pay for disaster relief in Texas after Hurricane Harvey and in Florida after Hurricane Irma.We all pay taxes, but no government, fed, state, or otherwise has an obligation to repair our houses. Your argument is simply a losing one. Even federal disaster assistance does not pay for house repairs. That's what insurance is for.


Q: Will FEMA pay for all home repairs or contract work?
A: No. FEMA does not pay to return your home to its pre-disaster condition. FEMA provides grants to qualified homeowners to repair damage not covered by insurance, but these grants may not pay for all the damage. However, an SBA disaster loan may return a home to its pre-disaster condition.

https://www.news4jax.com/weather/2017/09/15/fema-assistance-what-it-covers-how-to-apply/

We all pay taxes, but no government, fed, state, or otherwise has an obligation to repair our houses. Your argument is simply a losing one. Even federal disaster assistance does not pay for house repairs. That's what insurance is for.
The federal government helped pay for disaster relief in Texas after Hurricane Harvey and in Florida after Hurricane Irma.

But tRump refused to help Puerto Rico.

But tRump refused to help Puerto Rico.Don't know about that, but I do know that AOC has refused to help rebuild her gm's house and has refused to allow others to help rebuild it. The cost of being an "example" has been high for her gm.

Don't know about that, but I do know that AOC has refused to help rebuild her gm's house and has refused to allow others to help rebuild it. The cost of being an "example" has been high for her gm.
Your grandmother lives in Canada that has universal healthcare. She ends up in the hospital and has to have her left leg amputated because of cellulitus. Will you pay all her hospital/medical expenses?

I would give you the same answer I gave you when you asked that question the first time above in posts 47 and 48. Are you feeling OK?

Are you feeling OK?
No, you didn't answer because of your "but", and your attitude is making me ill.

I did answer. Anyway, you are happy with a woman who refuses to help her gm or let others help her. I think it stinks. I guess we can just leave it there.

I did answer. Anyway, you are happy with a woman who refuses to help her gm or let others help her. I think it stinks. I guess we can just leave it there.
And you are happy believing lies.

Oh stop being stupid. What lie have I believed?

My apologies for being rude.

I'm done with this silly conversation. There has been no suggestion of me believing a lie. That AOC is guilty has been proven beyond doubt BY HER OWN WORDS. If you can't accept the most simple truths, then talk with someone else. I'm done with it.

My apologies for being rude.

I'm done with this silly conversation. There has been no suggestion of me believing a lie. That AOC is guilty has been proven beyond doubt BY HER OWN WORDS. If you can't believe the most simple truths, then talk with someone else. I'm done with it.
You totally misunderstood HER OWN WORDS!!! But then, that's why you are an unabashed rightwinger. That's what they do so well -- misunderstand. (Another example, January 6)

These were her words. "This is her home. Hurricane María relief hasn’t arrived. Trump blocked relief $ for PR.". I showed you the pics. She has done nothing to fix her gm's house and won't allow others to do so. It is beyond true to anyone with half a brain. I'm done with these beyond ridiculous responses of yours. Talk to someone else.

These were her words. "This is her home. Hurricane María relief hasn’t arrived. Trump blocked relief $ for PR.". I showed you the pics. She has done nothing to fix her gm's house and won't allow others to do so. It is beyond true to anyone with half a brain. I'm done with these beyond ridiculous responses of yours. Talk to someone else.
At least you're narrowing down your objections. You're done with this? Then I guess you won't be interested in hearing what I find out after I contact her.

But Trump refused to help Puerto Rico.

If I remember correctly, PR was lambasting our fearless leader.
Got's to play nice.

If I remember correctly, PR was lambasting our fearless leader.
If you don't play nice you ain't gonna get squat!
What was PR doing?

Welcome back Waltero.