TDS was on full display during the pandemic Trump floated the hypothesis early on that the Chinese were lying and that the virus' origin was not from some meat market ,but originated from the Wuhan Institute of Virology .

So of course since Trump said it there was widespread rejection and he was accused of racisim ;xenophobia yada yada yada the typical leftist smears .

But now that he is out of office ,it is ok to speculate that the lab is the source . I go further and say that not only was the lab studying the virus ; a strain that they knew of since 2012 when workers in a copper mine a thousand miles from Wuhan came down with mysterious pneumonia like symptoms .Some even died . Researchers went to the caves , collected bat guano,and began to extract genetic material from fecal samples of bats They have been studying the virus in Wuhan since... perhaps even weaponizing it("gain of function" ....taking a virus that could infect humans and making it either more transmissible and/or pathogenic for humans.) Researchers at the lab discovered that it was easy to " exchange genetic material with similar ones to create a new coronavirus" .They also experimented to see if the bat coronaviruses could bind to an enzyme in human cells.

According to WSJ ,U.S. intelligence found that three researchers from the Wuhan Institute of Virology were hospitalized in November 2019 with symptoms consistent with Covid-19. That is well before the Chinese government’s claim that the first confirmed case occurred on December 8, 2019. That is based on a US fact sheet published January this year .
Fact Sheet: Activity at the Wuhan Institute of Virology - United States Department of State (https://2017-2021.state.gov/fact-sheet-activity-at-the-wuhan-institute-of-virology/index.html)

So now it is cool . Quid has given an investigation into the virus origins his blessing .

When Trump and Tom Cotton mentioned it ;it was called a debunked fringe conspiracy theory . Chinese and American scientists who published anything outside of conventional accepted science were disregarded .Dr Fauchi a year ago said that the virus“evolved in nature and then jumped species” ;and did not originated in the lab he is a patron of through the National institute of Health (NIH) .
How did he know ? The Chinese told him so .....and WHO backed him up. Can researches go to the caves to investigate ? NO the Chinese have sealed access. None of the scientists who continue to claim it was transmitted naturally can identify the source .So their claims are unscientific . They are at best speculative and the scientists are more likely complicit in a cover up of.. the facts.
Journalists who went with the apparent fiction instead of doing true investigative reporting are also complicit .They were more content on leading with the fiction that since Trump and other conservatives floated the idea that the virus was not natural ,that it should be summarily dismissed as a theory born in racist roots. Over the past year this game was played continuously be it masking ,lockdowns ;even the possibility of a speedy vaccine development .
There was no science behind the conventional wisdom ......just group think speculation by scientists ......and uncurious journalists giving them cover

Look Tom when other attacks have been made the answer was to use cruise missiles to wipe out the site, it worked in Syria, so here is the solution wipe out the institute of virology in Wuhan, problem solved

I can except the possibility that it was an accidental release . Just like I accept the possibility that Lyme was released accidently from a US research lab on Plum Island . It can happen . I don't like the lack of transparency from either government There is way too much of it when people's health are affected . The CDC dismissed Lyme as a serious issue for years .

accidental maybe, then why not admit it and end discord and speculation?, No something more sinister here, they were researching the weaponising of the virus, and it backfired, but nevertheless it has been successful even if released prematurely

then why not admit it and end discord and speculation?,That would involve acceptance of liability.

Yes I know the maxim, never admit liability, but the millions who have been affected by this deserve compensation, the economies that have been devastated deserve compensation, war reparations were made, why is this any different? The Chinese need to be brought to account, and their evil empire destroyed

Great story, bro, but completely lacking any actual evidence.

No there are no hard facts yet. Thus the call for an investigation . A call that was summarily dismissed months ago because of who was asking for it . But that is ok . The cover up served it's electoral purpose . But the 5th column ...oops I mean the 4th estate can no longer keep the cover story real . Since the "racist " is no longer in office ,Quid can safely call for the very belated investigation . [the question of why the US doesn't have sufficient intel assets in China is for another discussion Suffice it to say that if the CIA was not concentrating on domestic intrigues then perhaps they could've corrected this deficiency ]

Why the sudden shift from the Quid Administration and the compliant press ? Up until now they have gone along with the bogus narrative put out by the WHO that a lab leak had not happened and that the source of the virus was from a meat market . Hey why not trust the WHO ? They thoroughly investigated the lab for a whole 2 hours .
While Quid is in the mood to investigate ,he should also investigate the unique relationship between US agencies like the Dr Fauci led NIH and the Wuhan Institute of Virology.(other agencies include USAID,DOD ,Homeland Security ,National Science Foundation, Department of Agriculture .They all had dealings with this lab and/or the EcoHealth Alliance ;a non-profit organization also working with the lab ) .

Quid wants all this investigation done in 90 days .90 days to make up for 18 months of wasted time . So this smells like a white wash to me . An attempt to call off the dogs in Congress (Republicans ) who are demanding answers .Marco Rubio for instance is calling for a transparent forensic investigation. Will that happen ? My guess is no .

All I know is that when the SARS pandemic broke out ,the origin question was answered in very short order . We need REAL answers to the origins of this one . If the Chinese will not permit a real investigation then at a minimum US funding and participation in this lab must end and the Chinese should pay a cost . (what is fair compensation for millions of people sick and killed worldwide ;a half a million dead in the US ?)The chances of the investigation mentioning U.S funding for “gain of function” are zero.

More extensive investigations happen when planes crash . It is stunning that the world has accepted the Chinese explanations out of hand .

Hate to break it to Quid . This issue will not go away . Maybe Hunter will have to give the Chinese a refund on their investment in his presidency .

Great story, bro, but completely lacking any actual evidence. that was never a concern for 4 years about the story of Trump being in collusion with Russia

The Chinese need to be brought to account, and their evil empire destroyedGood luck with that.

BTW, if an investigation is needed, then what would be wrong with Australia doing it?

No there are no hard facts yet. Thus the call for an investigation .

True.

Does the same hold for the Repubs denying a Jan6 investigation by Congress? There are more than enough hard facts to dig deep into that insurrection. The Republicans were all for an investigation the days after, but now they have done a 180 reversal. Why is that? Especially after the Dems AGREED TO EVERY DEMAND THE REPUBS ASKED FOR.

It is because they know the facts will destroy any chance they have of taking back the House and White House. Their leader in this refusal is the ex-president who was twice impeached and responsible by his inaction for hundreds of thousands of deaths due to Covid. They kiss his arse to keep their plush jobs.

The Republican Party is disgraceful and a blot on American democracy.

Not everything is about american politics, sometimes there are bigger issues


Good luck with that.

BTW, if an investigation is needed, then what would be wrong with Australia doing it?

Australia was the first to call for an investigation, while Trump just hollered and where did that get us? in a cold war with China?

Calling for is not the same as doing. If you want an investigation then stop expecting us to do it. Do it yourself. Enough complaining.

Does the same hold for the Repubs denying a Jan6 investigation by Congress?

absolutely despite your incorrectly calling what happened an "insurrection " ,and assuming it is a real bipartisan investigation and not a show trial like Schiff-head and the toad like to stage . I have plenty of questions including ones about new video showing Capitol police allowing the protesters into the Capitol . Also a question about the only death that occurred by homicide at the Capitol that day ...... by the still unnamed officer who shot point blank at Ashi Babbitt ;a patriotic veteran of the US Air Force . Normally the left riots when there is a cop shooting someone . Why did Madam Mim and the mayor of DC not adequately protect the Capitol when it was clear that there would be a major protest there (it had been on social media for weeks ) .

JL you have to understand ; when dealing with China ,the Aussies are punching above their weight class .

absolutely despite your incorrectly calling what happened an "insurrection

What would you call it when the US Capitol is attacked and broken into while Congress is in session with the stated claim of overturning the election of the US President thereby overthrowing the elected government of the United State of America?

A tea and crumpets party?

Threatening to KILL the vice-president was another stated objective. Was that OK also?


I have plenty of questions including ones about new video showing Capitol police allowing the protesters into the Capitol

Fine. You and your Republican pals can ask all the questions you want, but you gotta show up to ask questions.

Why did your team decide NOT to show up after they agreed they WOULD SHOW UP?

my team ? I have been registered without party affiliation my whole adult life and even if I were I walk in lock step with no one .

***"Vietnam has uncovered a new Covid-19 variant combining characteristics of the two existing variants first found in India and the UK," Mr Nguyen told a government meeting, according to Reuters news agency.

Mr Nguyen said the new hybrid variant was more transmissible than previously known versions, especially in the air. He said it was discovered after running tests on newly-detected patients (https://e.vnexpress.net/news/news/vietnam-discovers-new-coronavirus-variant-with-uk-indian-mutations-4285878.html), online newspaper VnExpress reported.***
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/new-hybrid-covid-variant-detected-in-vietnam/ar-AAKwoCz?ocid=uxbndlbing

my team ? I have been registered without party affiliation my whole adult life and even if I were I walk in lock step with no one .

That's it? That's your entire response to my post?

Calling for is not the same as doing. If you want an investigation then stop expecting us to do it. Do it yourself. Enough complaining.

There was an Australian in the WHO investigation team, so yes we have done our own investigation and found the evidence was inconclusive. No doubt Joe has formed the same conclusion thus the american investigation and I say good luck penetrating the bamboo curtain

There was an Australian in the WHO investigation team, so yes we have done our own investigation and found the evidence was inconclusive.That's not the same, or even close to being the same, as you doing your own investigation. That's the WHO doing an investigation that found, unsurprisingly, inconclusive evidence.

That's not the same, or even close to being the same, as you doing your own investigation. That's the WHO doing an investigation that found, unsurprisingly, inconclusive evidence.

We are no more successful in penetrating the bamboo curtain than you are, you don't just rock up to the borders of a nation who is not speaking to you and do an investigation

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my team ? I have been registered without party affiliation my whole adult life and even if I were I walk in lock step with no one .



That's it? That's your entire response to my post?

yeah that's about it . I do not speak for what the Republicans do . They pretty much expelled the fiscal conservative tea partiers and that was the closest I ever came to being a "Republican" . As to your comment about insurrection ...no it was not . It was at best a riot. Now the Antifa movement that continuously assaults Federal and state institutions with incendiary weapons is an insurrection .

Dan Henniger in WSJ points to the lack of trust in the swamp's and the compliant press' ability to be unbiased investigators of the truth .

The Pelosi January 6 Commission Fiasco - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-pelosi-january-6-commission-fiasco-11622065772)

So no matter what ANY investigation reveals ,already half the country will think the investigation rigged . Such is the lack of integrity of the government and the 5th column ......oops 4th estate

As to your comment about insurrection ...no it was not . It was at best a riot. Now the Antifa movement that continuously assaults Federal and state institutions with incendiary weapons is an insurrection .That is true. The Antifa crowd will occupy entire city blocks and block access by the police. They will do it for months at a time. The 1/6 event had no intent of taking over the Capitol Building and occupying it. It was more of a spontaneous, very dumb idea.

It seems to be the core of our country now. Get all excited about a flash in the pan event like 1/6, and pay no attention at all to an ever ballooning federal debt and the reckless inflation of the money supply.

As to your comment about insurrection ...no it was not . It was at best a riot

The Jan6 event was as clear an insurrection as anything that has ever occurred in this country since the Civil War. Simply denying it like the Republicans are doing does not make it less of an insurrection. It is the classic definition of an insurrection.


Now the Antifa movement that continuously assaults Federal and state institutions with incendiary weapons is an insurrection

This would be laughable if the situation were not so serious. Antifa is a loosely organized group which is against the groups who espouse racism, anti-semitism, white supremacy, and neo-Nazi philosophy - in other words, the ones that stormed the Capitol in the Jan 6 insurrection. Any violence has been denounced by Pelosi and other Dem members and center-leaning figures. Comparing antifa with Jan 6 is a desperate move by you and the far-right wackos.


The Pelosi January 6 Commission Fiasco - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-pelosi-january-6-commission-fiasco-11622065772)
Your so-called fiasco was originally exactly what the Republicans wanted. When the Dems agreed to what they wanted, they bailed out like the cowards they are.

(https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-pelosi-january-6-commission-fiasco-11622065772)
So no matter what ANY investigation reveals ,already half the country will think the investigation rigged

You have no idea what "half the country" will do after the facts are presented to them. In fact, most Americans want the investigation to be done. That number will increase as the facts are presented.


Such is the lack of integrity of the government

The government you are referring to has been voted out of office. Its leader is wondering where he will next live since nobody seems to want him around.

Actually the government you refer to was advancing the lab leak theory for months. The government you defend aka swamp critters was carrying water for the Chinese .

Actually the government you refer to was advancing the lab leak theory for months. The government you defend aka swamp critters was carrying water for the Chinese .


The lab leak theory was around in January 2020 - long before Trump seized on it as a talking point against China. I hope you're not suggesting Trump gets some sort of credit if the theory turns out to be true.

Far more serious was Trump's lack of action in dealing with the actual virus leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

Far more serious was Trump's lack of action in dealing with the actual virus leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths.and again proving Henniger's point .

The lab leak theory was around in January 2020 - long before Trump seized on it as a talking point against China. .
You sometimes give your Presidents too much credit for what they are able to accomplish particularly when they have a House bent on impeaching them. If you cannot pass legislation in a hostile environment you are dead in the water, so the real blame for inaction lies with fancy Nancy and the demonrats who are now able to use the situation to their advantage

Fauci and company was denying that it was a pandemic and a major problem 9 days before Trump put the travel ban on China.

You sometimes give your Presidents too much credit for what they are able to accomplish particularly when they have a House bent on impeaching them. If you cannot pass legislation in a hostile environment you are dead in the water, so the real blame for inaction lies with fancy Nancy and the demonrats who are now able to use the situation to their advantage

The House had nothing to do with the inaction. You don't understand how things work.

Trump had the bully pulpit - the attention of millions of his followers. He neglected to emphasize the seriousness of the pandemic by dissing mask wearing and promoting ridiculous "cures" which killed at least one older couple when they drank the "bleach" cure Trump touted. At every rally he made fun of the "false" virus, until he finally got wise as the death toll mounted. 80% of the death toll is indirectly attributed to Trump's failure to act.

Fighting the virus was the job of science, not legislation.


Fauci and company was denying that it was a pandemic and a major problem 9 days before Trump put the travel ban on China.

Faucci and company followed the science and quickly adjusted their stance whenever it was demanded by the new information coming in on a daily basis. Trump didn't change his tune until it was far too late. He even continued to diss the problem even after he caught the virus himself and rode around in the car jeopardizing everyone near him. The jerk was and is a complete total amoral moron!

dissing mask wearing and promoting ridiculous "cures" which killed at least one older couple when they drank the "bleach" cure Trump touted. A completely false story. It was not bleach but fish tank cleaner which Trump never suggested anyone use. The man and his wife both ingested chloroquine phosphate, reportedly believing it to be a miracle cure for coronavirus. Trump had suggested, accurately as it turned out, that hydroxychloroquine showed promise as a treatment for CV. The older couple confused one for the other.


80% of the death toll is indirectly attributed to Trump's failure to act.Nothing more than a "swag" which is wildly inaccurate.

A completely false story. It was not bleach but fish tank cleaner

Same result. Bleach/chloroquine - they trusted Trump who totally screwed up his presidential responsibility on the issue leading to hundreds of thousands of deaths.

That is simply not true. The older couple made a mistake for which Trump had no involvement. He never told anyone to take fish tank cleaner. For that matter, he never suggested anyone take HC. He did cite research showing hydroxychloroquine having potential as a treatment. The older couple did not take HC. "As Reason's Elizabeth Nolan Brown wrote this morning, 'It hardly seems Trump's fault that this couple took his statements to mean that drinking any old thing with chloroquine in it could help them.' "

except Trump never said 'bleach' or suggested using it .]He was asking officials on the White House coronavirus task force whether disinfectants could be used in potential cures. As an example ; The science tells me that thimerosal is a disinfectant commonly used in vaccines. Food grade hydrogen peroxide is another . Silver has been used and an antimicrobial ingestible disinfectant for hundreds of years .So has iodine .

except Trump never said 'bleach' or suggested using it .]He was asking officials on the White House coronavirus task force whether disinfectants could be used in potential cures. As an example ; The science tells me that thimerosal is a disinfectant commonly used in vaccines. Food grade hydrogen peroxide is another . Silver has been used and an antimicrobial ingestible disinfectant for hundreds of years .So has iodine .

You guys are making a mountain out of a molehill. The whole world knows what Trump did or did not do re Covid. Yeah, it wasn't specifically bleach, but Trump touted injecting "disinfectant" into the body. Bleach is a powerful disinfectant that would kill anyone who injected it. Bit of a nitpick, isn't that?

The hydroxychoroquinine was another piece of idiocy from Trump. Without any medical evidence that it was a valid treatment for Covid, Trunp promoted it leading to the death of an elderly couple who saw it on a label for a fish tank cleaner and thought it would be a good treatment BASED ON WHAT TRUMP SAID.

Why do I have to spend time on this crap when the both of you know exactly what happened? Do you love Trump that much to defend the indefensible?

an elderly couple who saw it on a label for a fish tank cleanerFirst you said bleach, but now it's HC. Either way, they did not see HC on a label. They saw simply chloroquine phosphate. If they had taken what Trump referred to, they would have had no problems. It was not, "BASED ON WHAT TRUMP SAID," no matter how many times you say it.


Without any medical evidence that it was a valid treatment for Covid,Also not true. Trump was referring to preliminary results from research on HC as a treatment for CV. The med evidence was not conclusive by any means, but there was med evidence there.

In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality.
Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 - International Journal of Infectious Diseases (ijidonline.com) (https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext)

First you said bleach, but now it's HC.

Why do you insist on picking nits? HQ or bleach - big deal!


Either way, they did not see HC on a label. They saw simply chloroquine phosphate. If they had taken what Trump referred to, they would have had no problems.

For Christ sake, they were not chemists!


It was not, "BASED ON WHAT TRUMP SAID," no matter how many times you say it.

Of course it was. Their wrong reading in no way removes Trump from the equation.


Trump was referring to preliminary results from research on HC as a treatment for CV. The med evidence was not conclusive by any means, but there was med evidence there.

That was not Trump's job to be touting medical research. Obviously, some listeners took it the wrong way. Faucci warned against jumping the gun based on limited anecdotal evidence. That didn't stop Trump in his desperation to play down the danger of the virus, which ultimately bit him in the arse (literally).


In this multi-hospital assessment, when controlling for COVID-19 risk factors, treatment with hydroxychloroquine alone and in combination with azithromycin was associated with reduction in COVID-19 associated mortality.
Treatment with hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and combination in patients hospitalized with COVID-19 - International Journal of Infectious Diseases (ijidonline.com) (https://www.ijidonline.com/article/S1201-9712(20)30534-8/fulltext)

Soon, and after a large trial, the FDA announced the drug had no benefit in the treatment of Covid-19. Trump should have kept his mouth shut.

Their wrong reading in no way removes Trump from the equation.Actually, it completely does so. Trump says "A" and they read "D". That places the responsibility squarely on the reader.


That was not Trump's job to be touting medical research.Of course it was. What pres doesn't do that? Even your hero, Obama, did it.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-ends-stem-cell-research-ban/


Obviously, some listeners took it the wrong way.I would agree with that. In fact they rather sadly completely botched it.

The key Chinese researcher at Wuhan, Shi Zhengli, known as the “Bat Lady,” specialized further, engineering coronaviruses to attack human cells. Her research was funded by the Obama administration’s National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, a part of the National Institutes of Health. The NIH initially assigned those grants to EcoHealth, who subcontracted the work to Wuhan. The work which likely created COVID-19 was paid for by the United States.

America Might Have Funded the Chinese Coronavirus | The American Conservative (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/america-might-have-funded-the-chinese-coronavirus/)

The work which likely created COVID-19 was paid for by the United States.Yet another reason to have a fed gov limited in size and budget.

America Might Have Funded the Chinese Coronavirus | The American Conservative (https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/america-might-have-funded-the-chinese-coronavirus/)

and you guys get upset when I am critical of the US government

Vanity Fair expose on the lab theory illustrates how TDS ,and a possible US connection to the origin delayed investigation of the prime suspect reason for the virus for over a year.


With President Trump out of office, it should be possible to reject his xenophobic agenda and still ask why, in all places in the world, did the outbreak begin in the city with a laboratory housing one of the world’s most extensive collection of bat viruses, doing some of the most aggressive research?

or the theory should've been explored at the outset instead of being rejected out of hand because of who was in office.


On December 9, 2020, roughly a dozen State Department employees from four different bureaus gathered in a conference room in Foggy Bottom to discuss an upcoming fact-finding mission to Wuhan organized in part by the World Health Organization. The group agreed on the need to press China to allow a thorough, credible, and transparent investigation, with unfettered access to markets, hospitals, and government laboratories. The conversation then turned to the more sensitive question: What should the U.S. government say publicly about the Wuhan Institute of Virology?

A small group within the State Department’s Arms Control, Verification, and Compliance bureau had been studying the Institute for months. The group had recently acquired classified intelligence suggesting that three WIV researchers conducting gain-of-function experiments on coronavirus samples had fallen ill in the autumn of 2019, before the COVID-19 outbreak was known to have started.
As officials at the meeting discussed what they could share with the public, they were advised by Christopher Park, the director of the State Department’s Biological Policy Staff in the Bureau of International Security and Nonproliferation, not to say anything that would point to the U.S. government’s own role in gain-of-function research, according to documentation of the meeting obtained by Vanity Fair. Some of the attendees were “absolutely floored,” said an official familiar with the proceedings. That someone in the U.S. government could “make an argument that is so nakedly against transparency, in light of the unfolding catastrophe, was…shocking and disturbing.”

Park, who in 2017 had been involved in lifting a U.S. government moratorium on funding for gain-of-function research, was not the only official to warn the State Department investigators against digging in sensitive places. As the group probed the lab-leak scenario, among other possibilities, its members were repeatedly advised not to open a “Pandora’s box,” said four former State Department officials interviewed by Vanity Fair. The admonitions “smelled like a cover-up,” said Thomas DiNanno, “and I wasn’t going to be part of it.”


The Lab-Leak Theory: Inside the Fight to Uncover COVID-19’s Origins | Vanity Fair (https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins?fbclid=IwAR3xW62wAoD8OVj0a5X6b65HZOrU962EW 79heHSgYtzHd4o3vAJEyIbSBYo)

Dr Fauci was a trusted key advisor to Trump in the early days of the pandemic . He convinced him to do the early shut down mandates . He also publicly downplayed the idea that the origin of the virus was in a gain of function research lab in Wuhan .

But Fauci emails from that period show that he knew the scenario was more than kook conspiracy theory ;and that the NIH he heads was partially responsible for the gain of function research going on in the lab .They also show that he conspired with the likes of Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook to suppress any news feed that forwarded the possibility .

Of course the Compost is still carrying his water .....
"Hundreds of pages of emails obtained by The Post and BuzzFeed News through Freedom of Information Act requests confirm the way Fauci is already viewed by many — as diplomatic, tactful and responsive to inquiries from the public, a quality which often kept him up late at night answering emails.

“The correspondence from March and April 2020 opens a window to Fauci’s world during some of the most frantic days of the crisis, when the longtime director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases was struggling to bring coherence to the Trump administration’s chaotic response to the virus and President Donald Trump was seeking to minimize its severity,” The Post’s Damian Paletta and Yasmeen Abutaleb write.

“Fauci’s actions during that period and beyond remain an intense focus for many Americans and political leaders,” they add. “During daily televised briefings at the White House, Fauci emerged as an at times reluctant — and polarizing — media star: To Trump supporters, he was a contrarian who seemed to undermine the president at every turn, while others viewed him as a reassuring voice of reason.”

...Fauci didn’t like the public adoration."

Thankfully there are some journalists who are more inquisitive and have a degree of integrity not usually found in the Compost (Josh Rogan being the exception )
This from the Australian :


America’s top medical adviser Anthony Fauci was informed as early as February 2020 that Covid-19 exhibited unusual viral characteristics which could have potentially been engineered in a lab, according to emails published.

A trove of private correspondence, obtained by The Washington Post and Buzzfeed, reveal some of the crucial moments leading up to the pandemic in early 2020 when Dr Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, sought urgent information regarding the nature and origins of Covid-19... In one email from Kristian Andersen, a virologist at the Scripps Research Institute in California, Dr Fauci was told that Dr Andersen and his fellow scientists had to “look really closely at all the sequences to see that some of the features (potentially) look engineered”.

The email dated February 1, 2020 said Mr Andersen and three other respected colleagues had discovered a genome “inconsistent with expectations from evolutionary theory”.

February 1, 2020 the date bears repeating .

Here is the real science from a year ago. Research by Angus Dalgleish and Birger Sørensen (Quarterly Reviews of Biophysics) uncovered that SARS-CoV-2 contains an amino acid chain that does not naturally occur. The spike protein was engineered and spliced into a virus backbone to form SARS-CoV-2. SARS-CoV-2 has many characteristics desirable in a bioweapon.

Norwegian scientist Birger Sorensen claims coronavirus was lab-made and 'not natural in origin' | Tech News | Startups News (techstartups.com) (https://techstartups.com/2020/06/07/norwegian-scientist-birger-sorensen-claims-coronavirus-lab-made-not-natural-origin/)QRD_2000008 1..11 (cambridge.org) (https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/DBBC0FA6E3763B0067CAAD8F3363E527/S2633289220000083a.pdf/biovacc19_a_candidate_vaccine_for_covid19_sarscov2 _developed_from_analysis_of_its_general_method_of_ action_for_infectivity.pdf)

So Tom you have found some "evidence" covid is engineered, weaponised and now we need to focus on who the intended victims are?

A simple Google search would have revealed that this Theory from the scientist was quickly debunked as alluded to at the end of the provided link.

Dr Fauci was a trusted key advisor to Trump

Tomder, one of these days you are going to discover that some members here actually read your posts and your links. As is usual, they come up with nothing that supports whatever is your contention du jour. Maybe you just like to see your name here.

Dr. Fauci has been a target of yours since very early on - why is that? Trump was quick to discard him because Fauci refused to toe the line. Good for Fauci.

A simple Google search would have revealed that this Theory from the scientist was quickly debunked as alluded to at the end of the provided link.

you could've gotten away with that line a year ago. But now FINALLY some real investigative journalism is going on..... and James Rosen of the Compost is no hack conspiracy theorist .

EXCLUSIVE: Classified study found COVID-19 could have originated in Chinese lab | WJLA (https://wjla.com/news/nation-world/exclusive-classified-study-found-covid-19-could-have-originated-in-chinese-lab)

Even Quid realizes it is not debunked and has ordered a 90 day review of the cover up .

USA today passes it off as the US not having enough intel assets in China. I guess they have dropped the "debunked " mantra too.

Wuhan lab leak theory murky due to US lack of human intel in China (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/world/2021/06/04/wuhan-lab-leak-theory-murky-due-us-lack-human-intel-china/7492291002/)

Even Fauci has a new appreciation in finding the truth after he carried water for the Chinese for over a year .

Fauci calls on China to release medical records of Wuhan lab workers - FT | Reuters (https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/fauci-calls-china-release-medical-records-wuhan-lab-workers-ft-2021-06-04/)

And the Director of NIH is calling for an investigation .

NIH Director: We Need an Investigation Into the Wuhan Lab-Leak Theory - Government Executive (govexec.com) (https://www.govexec.com/management/2021/06/nih-director-we-need-investigation-wuhan-lab-leak-theory/174444/)

And here is a letter from experts published in Science Magazine calling for investigation into BOTH Zoological and lab leak theories .

Investigate the origins of COVID-19 | Science (sciencemag.org) (https://science.sciencemag.org/content/372/6543/694.1)

So I guess y'all claim that the lab leak theory was debunked is debunked .

So where's the vaccine that was supposedly developing from their theory? I get the need to investigate and China's actions are highly suspicious but hey we got nothing so far just theories.

Yes theories but theories have done soo much for us, they have given us AGW, they have given us the war on drugs, they have given us the WMD in Iraq, they have given us the war on terror where we bombed Afghanistan when we should have bombed Saudi Arabia and now they have given us weaponised covid virus

This is what the SCIENCE says ... The virus has a genetic footprint that has never been seen in a natural coronavirus .

REAL scientists (as opposed to the politically driven cover up by Dr Fauci ) explain it here :

The origin of COVID: Did people or nature open Pandora’s box at Wuhan? - Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists (thebulletin.org) (https://thebulletin.org/2021/05/the-origin-of-covid-did-people-or-nature-open-pandoras-box-at-wuhan/)


The Science Suggests a Wuhan Lab Leak - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-science-suggests-a-wuhan-lab-leak-11622995184?fbclid=IwAR2omUfpJ2W3V3ua4UiL0R6SMAWnx x_aPR6VLNpg-u2hj-srkBBJ3Rkm3Vg)

Fauci's emails of Feb 1 show he knew all this . Why the cover up ?

Dr. Fauci's leaked 2020 emails reveal knowledge of lab-leak theory (yahoo.com) (https://in.news.yahoo.com/dr-faucis-leaked-2020-emails-185919111.html)

Back in October 2019, the Military World Games were being held in Wuhan.9,000 athletes from 100 different nations participated . Ten thousand "volunteers" served time at the games .Many of the athletes said they later fell ill with COVID-like symptoms. Participants from France, Germany, Italy and Luxembourg claimed they had contracted the deadly disease at the Wuhan games, because of their symptoms and how easily their sickness spread to their loved ones.
Again this was October 2019 . 2 months before the first case of covid is reported to have occurred .

US military leaders either dismissed the possibility or were unaware of it, and no antibody testing was ever conducted on the athletes who attended the games.

We now know that lab workers at Wuhan became sick with covid in November ;a month before the Chinese have admitted about the 1st case . It is clear that the disease began to spread even sooner ;by mid October . The Chinese were fully aware of this . Luxembourg triathlete Oliver Gorges ,who got covid during the games said that "It was a ghost town," "There were rumors that the government warned the inhabitants not to go out." Gorges said he had his temperature recorded on arrival at the airport while athletes were made to wash their hands every time they entered the canteen and were ordered not to take food out of the premises.

Revelations from World Military Games' Athletes Hint at Covid-19 Spread in China in October (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/revelations-world-military-games-participants-083500325.html)

A number of French athletes who were at the World Military Games have since described coming down with severe flu-like symptoms while at the event.

Rep. Mike Gallagher (R-Wis.) wrote​​ to Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin and Gen. Mark A. Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff​ asking for more details . “Given unanswered questions surrounding the origins of the pandemic, information involving the health of service members who participated in the 2019 games could provide key evidence in understanding when COVID-19 first emerged,”

Letter_World Military Games_6.21.pdf (house.gov) (https://gallagher.house.gov/sites/gallagher.house.gov/files/Letter_World%20Military%20Games_6.21.pdf)


Last year the Chinese made the absurd claim that covid originated in an American lab . They then claimed that US athletes brought the disease with them to make the Wuhan games a super spreader event . This while at the same time claiming that covid originated in a meat market ,


To me it is simple . Have every athlete who participated get tested for covid antibodies then do contact tracing from there .

The only true reporter left at the Compost; Josh Rogin , is also reporting in this
Opinion | Congress is investigating whether the 2019 Military World Games in Wuhan was a covid-19 superspreader event - The Washington Post (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/06/23/congress-wuhan-military-games-2019-covid/)

How do I say this ~ very interesting but also stupid. That there appears to have been a major out break in Wuhan, the source of of covid 19 that predates the official version of events and we are just hearing about this now. perhaps this explains the very quick spread to Europe and even the Chinese assertion that the disease came from outside. How is it the WHO investigation didn't uncover this. the Chinese have a lot to answer for, they have been as opaque as the red brick many of their buildings are made of

How is it the WHO investigation didn't uncover this.Are you seriously asking that?

Are you seriously asking that?

Yes, one would have thought the events would have been reported to The WHO in the light of subsequent events. Ok they put it down to the Flu, but weeks later????????????????????

I guess I'm just questioning the objectivity of the WHO. Investigations by biased groups don't accomplish much.

Yes, the Trump line again

Yes. The unaware Aussie line again.

If there was ever proof that WHO carries water for China this is it .

Yes. The unaware Aussie line again.

No I have followed the story fairly well so far. The Aussie line, by the way, has been all along, we want a detailed investigation so we can all learn as there have been too many of these SARS events originating in China. This disease has caused serious world wide disruption and death

Transmitting disease is quite common among humans.

covering up the source of a pandemic delaying a global response is criminal

I think the minute China shutdown provinces and built extra hospitals I would have paid attention, and screw the rhetoric. We're a long way away from proving anything or having the international structure of the WHO no matter what story they blow smoke at.

Yes much smoke there and dog whistles here, but the reaction tells us a lot. The Chinese lost much face in Wuhan thus their reaction to not being believed

They lost much face everywhere, if they had any to begin with.

Quid's request for an Intel assessment about the Wuhan lab leak theory has been completed and the verdict is .....INCONCLUSIVE

The intel community punted .

"All agencies assess that two hypotheses are plausible: natural exposure to an infected animal and a laboratory-associated incident,"


"The IC judges they will be unable to provide a more definitive explanation for the origin of COVID-19 unless new information allows them to determine the specific pathway for initial natural contact with an animal or to determine that a laboratory in Wuhan was handling SARSCoV-2 or a close progenitor virus before COVID-19 emerged,"
Unclassified-Summary-of-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf (justthenews.com) (https://justthenews.com/sites/default/files/2021-08/Unclassified-Summary-of-Assessment-on-COVID-19-Origins.pdf)

Given even that limited evaluation it is now clear that the compliant press and the big tech thought police were being completely irresponsible in their censorship of any thought that did not go along with their imposed narrative . Because Trump floated the idea of the lab leak ,it was summarily dismissed as debunked ,and a falsehood .

Honest debate was decapped only because of TDS .

Honest debate was decapped only because of TDS .Exactly correct. It is amazing how far the liberal dems will go in trying to shift blame off of Mr. Biden.

Former VP of EcoHealth ;a company that did gain of function research at the Wuhan lab has confirmed what should be common knowledge by now ;that covid leaked from the Wuhan lab

https://www.lokmattimes.com/international/american-scientist-confirms-covid-virus-was-leaked-from-wuhan-lab-in-a-shocking-revelation-a475/

original source published Saturday
I worked with the Wuhan lab - I tried to warn them & I KNOW Covid was a lab leak | The Sun (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/20543847/wuhan-lab-warning-covid-lab-leak/)

His book is scheduled for release tomorrow and he has promised to post related documentary proof on line .

Leading national security professionals sent a letter to the editors of prominent scientific journals and news organizations about their failure to investigate and their stifling debate on the origins of covid .


“Our security and prosperity depend on rigorous scientific debate, research, and scholarship, as well as an intrepid and independent news media. The responsibility of scientists and journalists alike is to ask hard questions and seek truth. By prematurely dismissing or stigmatizing certain questions—from the very outset of the pandemic— many prominent scientists and journalists failed in their duty.”

(https://foreignaffairs.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/VandenbergCovidLetter%5B21%5D.pdf)VandenbergCovidL etter.pdf (vandenbergcoalition.org) (https://vandenbergcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/VandenbergCovidLetter.pdf)

The authors called on the compliant press “to carry out deeper investigations into the pandemic’s origins, particularly by examining all credible origins hypotheses.”

I wouldn't suggest you hold your breath on either one of those.

Covid did not come from bats in caves in China. That is now an established fact. SARS-CoV-2 never existed in the natural world .

'US Right to Know' obtained the smoking gun documents . You can read all 1417 pages of the exchanges they had and the docs themselves here

USGS-DEFUSE-2021-006245-Combined-Records_Redacted.pdf (usrtk.org) (https://usrtk.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/USGS-DEFUSE-2021-006245-Combined-Records_Redacted.pdf)

or read their summary conclusions here

US scientists proposed making viruses with features of SARS-CoV-2 in Wuhan (usrtk.org) (https://usrtk.org/covid-19-origins/scientists-proposed-making-viruses-with-unique-features-of-sars-cov-2-in-wuhan/)






Project DEFUSE was proposed to protect American service personnel overseas from bat viruses .

DEFUSE proposal - DocumentCloud (https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21066966-defuse-proposal)

The documents obtained provide a recipe for assembling SARS-type viruses from six synthetic pieces of DNA .

Dr. rer. nat. Valentin Bruttel on X: "the DEFUSE draft documents show that, exactly as we had postulated, they planned to use 6 SEGMENTS to assemble synthetic viruses, to use unique endonuclease sites that do not disturb the coding sequence, and TO BUY BsmBI!!! (= NE Bio labs order # R0580S or R0580L) 25/x https://t.co/xZlnzeQBF2" / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/VBruttel/status/1748192507026968820)

Matt Ridley on X: "Game over. The latest revelations provide precise confirmation that all the many suspicious features of sars-cov-2 which imply it was man made were set out in exhaustive detail in the DEFUSE proposal to which Wuhan institute of virology was a partner." / X (twitter.com) (https://twitter.com/mattwridley/status/1747885852905050593)


Here's the rub. DARPA turned down the DEFUSE proposal and yet the experiments went on.

Leaked Grant Proposal Details High-Risk Coronavirus Research (theintercept.com) (https://theintercept.com/2021/09/23/coronavirus-research-grant-darpa/)

EcoHealth had a secondary source of funding.

Guessing that Herr Doctor had something to do with the funding needed . He has recently said that the lab leak theory was no longer a "conspiracy theory "

After millions killed worldwide, I guess we owe him a thank you for the admission .

Lab Leak Is Not a Conspiracy Theory, Anthony Fauci Concedes (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/lab-leak-not-conspiracy-theory-005533115.html)



https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/01/19/19/80236587-12983593-image-a-16_1705693828311.jpg

Who knew there were science deniers at Science Mag ?

They used a hit piece against NIH 's decision to bring some lab work back home instead of funding foreign science to make this denial .


NIH’s sweeping foreign funding reform comes in the wake of intense congressional scrutiny of a grant to the U.S.-based nonprofit EcoHealth Alliance, which had a subaward to China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV). Some suspect the COVID-19 pandemic was touched off when SARS-CoV-2 leaked from WIV, and President Donald Trump and congressional Republicans have gone further and suggested NIH funding to WIV might have helped create the virus. NIH’s parent, the Department of Health and Human Services, last year barred EcoHealth from federal funding for 5 years, and it went out of business in April.No compelling evidence supports the allegation that the virus leaked from WIV, says Keusch, who strongly supported EcoHealth, and he stresses that collaborations with foreign research is not simply a charitable contribution. “We are investing in knowledge generation that has relevance to our own society,” says Keusch, an infectious disease specialist. “You can’t simply do it within borders. That’s not the way knowledge generation works.”

‘This is insane:’ New NIH policy on funding foreign scientists stirs outrage | Science | AAAS (https://archive.ph/pudd8)

As noted above ;Dr Andrew Huff was a VP at EcoHealth Alliance . He confirmed the lab US role in the lab leak and gain of function research that was being funded .