Bills going through the state and the county I live in would make the state a 2nd Amendment sanctuary state .

Now as a concept I oppose states and locals that openly defy Federal laws that are constitutional by declaring themselves sanctuary states/localities .

However in cases of the 2nd amendment ,laws that the Feds make are most likely unconstitutional .



In order to protect that right in South Carolina, the lawmakers want the state attorney general to review any federal law, treaty, executive order, rule, or regulation related to the Second Amendment that might come down. Then, they want the attorney general to "issue a written opinion of its constitutionality."If the attorney general finds that the federal law, treaty, executive order, rule, or regulation related to the Second Amendment is unconstitutional, the state senators have a plan to stop the enforcement of it in South Carolina.
Those plans include:


not giving any public funds, personnel or property from the state to the implementation, regulation, or enforcement of that federal law, treaty, executive order, rule, or regulation;
not letting any official, agent or employee of the state, or any political subdivision of it, enforce or attempt to enforce that federal law, treaty, executive order, rule, or regulation.

If anyone were to take legal action against South Carolina for not following the federal law, the lawmakers write in the bill that the attorney general shall will defend the case.


6 SC senators want to make the state a Second Amendment Sanctuary | WPDE (https://wpde.com/news/local/6-sc-senators-want-to-make-the-state-a-second-amendment-sanctuary)

Beginning to really like my new adopted state .

WSJ has a nice write up of my new adopted city .
The Breakout Cities on the Forefront of America’s Economic Recovery - WSJ (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-breakout-cities-on-the-forefront-of-americas-economic-recovery-11620584178?fbclid=IwAR1fkU4CZclMk_BUYZ_vXClNRF_R7 q6n7MIfrW54RNOliGE1a0xtuzZKuF8)

So SC is proving to be a rebel state once again

and our Governor just ordered an end to the mask mandates .

more signs of rebellion

and our Governor just ordered an end to the mask mandates .

And this is a good thing why?

Are you another one who balances his freedom re wearing a mask against the chance of people dying?

I'm actually glad you found a place you really like, but hope you get use to seeing a bunch of lawyers running around.

against the chance of people dying?Don't really see how a person can support and vote for those who favor nearly a million abortions a year but then claim to be concerned about "people dying".

SC is basically saying it will abide by the second amendment even when the feds don't.

There is actually still a mask mandate for students on busses. I find that the people here have a different idea of what freedom means than NYers . I visited the state a few times in the last year before deciding to move here . I had to sneak in and out of NY to do so . People were wearing masks indoors as required . Beyond that I saw few who would wear them outdoors The local YMCA is full of people who work out ,and participate in athletic activities .People were wearing masks as required when walking in ;but quickly shed them once inside . No one tells them to do so ;but the people using the equipment routinely and almost obsessively wipe down the equipment with alcohol wipes after using them .

Yes Tal I like the state a lot . The 2 Senators are outstanding . The Governor seems good .As far as I can tell the local leaders get it . I posted the link to the WSJ article about Greenville . It is quaint by NY standards ;and I will probably have to go an hour north to Charlotte NC for the bulk of my cultural pursuits . I also have to go farther to do some real mountain hiking (I used to live in the gateway to a NY State park and could walk from my home to a number of trails ) .

My only fear is that there are many other NYers and people from blue states converging on the State and I hope they are not like carpetbagger locusts out to destroy the state by bringing their blue state attitudes with them .

Just relax and enjoy getting to know your new home and trying not to live in the old fears of your past. You can't tell a liberal from a conservative when you're picking out tomatoes so don't assume just enjoy.

It is quaint by NY standards ;and I will probably have to go an hour north to Charlotte NC for the bulk of my cultural pursuits . I also have to go farther to do some real mountain hiking (I used to live in the gateway to a NY State park and could walk from my home to a number of trails ) .

My only fear is that there are many other NYers and people from blue states converging on the State and I hope they are not like carpetbagger locusts out to destroy the state by bringing their blue state attitudes with them .
Maybe you'll bump into my sis and her husband (Kodak retirees from Rochester) who live near Myrtle Beach! Sis and I were born in NC and spent many happy hours on Grandfather Mt. (the swinging bridge!). Just stay away from Myrtle Beach area right now because of the hoards of motorcyclists who can't buy gas (because of the pipeline problem). The residents of the Carolinas are wonderful and giving. Enjoy your retirement!

I went to Myrtle Beach and Murrell's Inlet recently so our dogs could compete in an Agility Trial . I was not terribly impressed to be honest Greenville is what they call upstate ;a little over an hour from Asheville NC . A couple of weeks ago we were in the Wake Forest area . That was nice .

I remember touring the Kodak plant years ago. Rochester and the whole upstate NY needs a revival like what is happening in Greenville . They should do to the High Falls area what Greenville has done to the Falls Park on the Reedy River. It almost identical . A former industrial area that had a water fall as a prominent feature . Today the Falls Park is the center of Greenville ; a very pleasant place to be . The old brick industrial buildings were preserved and converted to local shops .

Don't really see how a person can support and vote for those who favor nearly a million abortions a year but then claim to be concerned about "people dying".

Stop abortion at the source.

Vasectomies are reversible.

Make every young man have one.

When he's deemed emotionally and financially fit to be a father, it will be reversed.

What's that? Did the idea of regulating a man's body make you uncomfortable?

Then mind your own effing business!

(with thanks to AMHD member)

Mind your own effing business! Don't be concerned about the deaths of 900,000 human beings a year, killed for the crime of being inconvenient, not to mention millions of women condemned to lives of continual guilt. How dare you care! I will go on pretending to be concerned about human life and spouting silliness about government forced vasectomies while I hide behind phony arguments.

(paraphrase of the statements of an AMHD member who apparently could not come up with his own thoughts)

btw CDC reversed it mask mandate recommendations yesterday. Maybe Governor McMaster was just ahead of his time .Or perhaps Quid , Harris and Fauci finally found Florida and Texas on a map.
https://imagez.tmz.com/image/08/4by3/2021/05/13/08ee96391ba54adaa490a1ce1b8d3b47_md.jpg

I wonder what made yesterday somehow different from the day before???

Well, Harris/Biden have evidently now joined the the ones who balance their, "freedom re wearing a mask against the chance of people dying." What a cold world we live in!

The data came in, the CDC has said if you're fully vaccinated you can take off your mask, if not you better keep the doggone thing on. Simple.

I wonder what made yesterday somehow different from the day before???

Science from the data gathered. You'll never get it, will you?


Well, Harris/Biden have evidently now joined the the ones who balance their, "freedom re wearing a mask against the chance of people dying."

Keep up with the news and stop making a fool of yourself.

It was your quote they violated.

How much science is needed to figure out that a vaccinated person is safe outside not wearing a mask?

Stop abortion at the source.

Vasectomies are reversible.

Make every young man have one.

When he's deemed emotionally and financially fit to be a father, it will be reversed.
OR, each girl, when she turns ten, is fitted with a chastity belt. When she is emotionally and financially fit to become a mother (after training courses and thorough testing and a marriage ceremony), the chastity belt will be unlocked at the door to the honeymoon suite.

Or we could all become liberal dems and just not give a rip.

Or we could all become liberal dems and just not give a rip.

You'd be far better off with 'liberal dems" than with Trump followers who believe the wacked-out conspiracy theories listed below:

There is a world-wide cabal of pedophiles and child sex-traffickers who are plotting against Trump and only Trump can save the world. Trump encouraged this thinking.

Bill Gates wants to put chips into people via the Covid vaccine.

Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, and Joe Biden are secretly planning to hold down the black population. Barack Obama??

Obama is a Muslim.

A majority (76%) believe news about Trump on major media is made up. Even when supported by video, audio and/or published statements.

55% of Republicans believe the 2020 election was rigged.

35% believe the Insurrection on Jan 6 was led by left-wing agitators with the purpose of making Trump look bad.

I'll skip the absurdities - both verbal and physical - coming from the very strange Marjorie Taylor Greene, a true nutcase if ever there was one.

Polls show that on average about 40-45% of Republicans believe the above except where noted.

Trying to change the subject will not work.

well we know that since you get fixated on a subject

well we know that since you get fixated on a subject

True.


Trying to change the subject will not work.

No change. It was clearly a reply to your dopey comment. It worked because it silenced you. Better luck next time.

No change. It was clearly a reply to your dopey comment. It worked because it silenced you. Better luck next time.You were getting your backside kicked and so you punted. I understand. Your pretense of concern for human life was shown to be completely fake. You're a liberal dem, you vote for liberal dems, and you couldn't care less about hundreds of thousands of human lives destroyed every year. Too bad.

I am surprised and disappointed to see that Clete is apparently on that same side. Very disappointing that he cannot get at least momentarily "fixated" on that subject.

I understand.

I don't think you do. You didn't reply to any of the points I made. That happens a lot with you. You have plenty of insulting language, but not much in the factual common sense department.

I don't think you do. You didn't reply to any of the points I made. Because you were trying to change the subject.


That happens a lot with you.Show me where.


You have plenty of insulting language,Show me where.


but not much in the factual common sense department.I point out 900,000 human deaths a year from abortion. That's factual. You responded with a fantasy laundry list about forced vasectomies. Who was lacking in the "factual common sense" area there?

Insulting language ... Show me where.

You want me to whip up another list of your insults, this time insults to Athos?

forced vasectomies. Who was lacking in the "factual common sense" area there?
And many of those abortions were gotten by married as well as unmarried Christian women.

You want me to whip up another list of your insults, this time insults to Athos?You had to give up your position as the civility police when you allowed some of your own posts to be crude and insulting, and when you directed your attention ONLY at conservatives on this board and not at your lib buddies. Remember the pics of animal xxx you posted??? And why would you need to do his work for him anyway?


And many of those abortions were gotten by married as well as unmarried Christian women.You have statistics for this? (Answer..."no") Even at that, I have no idea what difference that makes to the dead baby. Do you know?

You had to give up your position
I was simply showing you how disgusting your own nastiness is when turnabout becomes fair play.


You have statistics for this? (Answer..."no") Even at that, I have no idea what difference that makes to the dead baby. Do you know?
I'm sure I could come up with stats.* Maybe I'll even ask CyberNinja to help me whip up some authentic stats! And you're always preaching that there have to be loving, two-parent Christian homes before abortion will disappear. We know THAT isn't the solution! All the more reason to welcome the LGBTQ community into our lives. Binary hasn't worked out very well.

*"...researchers from the Christian research group LifeWay found that about 70 percent of women who had an abortion self-identified as Christians...Additionally, 76 percent of them say that the church had no influence on their decision to go through with the abortion."
https://www.christianpost.com/news/70-of-women-who-get-abortions-identify-as-christians-survey-finds.html

I was simply showing you how disgusting your own nastiness is when turnabout becomes fair play.I've never posted pics of animal xxx. You're on your own for that one. And that you did not object to Tal's absolutely disgusting posts, by far the worst I've seen here, just blows your objectivity out of the water. Your bias is plain and obvious.


I'm sure I could come up with stats.I'm sure you can't.


And you're always preaching that there have to be loving, two-parent Christian homes before abortion will disappearI've never posted that.


We know THAT isn't the solution! All the more reason to welcome the LGBTQ community into our lives. Binary hasn't worked out very well.A completely absurd statement. Two parent families (male/female) have worked for millennia. What we are doing now has no parallel in history. It is going badly.

I've never posted pics of animal xxx.
The continuous nastiness that issues from your keyboard outdoes anything anyone else here has posted.

For stats, reread my post above. I added stats as you were replying.


I've never posted that.
Of course you have -- more than once!

A completely absurd statement. Two parent families (male/female) have worked for millennia. What we are doing now has no parallel in history. It is going badly.
And how many abortions took place over those millennia?

The continuous nastiness that issues from your keyboard outdoes anything anyone else here has posted.No pics of animal xxx from me. That's all on you. Your refusal to own it illustrates why you have no cred in that area at all.

If you want to point out some supposed nastiness from me, then we can discuss it. Until then, it's just hot air.


Of course you have -- more than once!Show me. Until then, just more hot air.


And how many abortions took place over those millennia?Read "How Christianity Changed the World" to get a good discussion of the impact of the Christian faith on abortions in the ancient world.

*"...researchers from the Christian research group LifeWay found that about 70 percent of women who had an abortion self-identified as Christians...Additionally, 76 percent of them say that the church had no influence on their decision to go through with the abortion."So you are seriously trying to suggest that these women who say the church "had no influence on their decision" can then seriously claim to be Christians? Wow. I'm not buying into that one.

No pics of animal xxx from me. That's all on you. Your refusal to own it illustrates why you have no cred in that area at all.
Actually, I wasn't the one who posted that. I don't know how to post pictures and photos and emojis on this site.

If you want to point out some supposed nastiness from me, then we can discuss it. Until then, it's just hot air.
Okay. Will do.

So you are seriously trying to suggest that these women who say the church "had no influence on their decision" can then seriously claim to be Christians? Wow. I'm not buying into that one.
Yup, and a Christian magazine published that. I have personally known good Christian women who have gotten abortions for all sorts of reasons that made sense to them and their family situation.

The last paragraph of that article was very interesting:
"The survey also found that 64 percent of respondents feel that members of the church are more likely to gossip about their pregnancy or abortion consideration rather than actually help them understand their pregnancy options."

If you want to point out some supposed nastiness from me, then we can discuss it. Until then, it's just hot air.
Here are three I found easily:
1. You can't be honest and it gets old.
2. Why not knock off the dopey answers and try to be a little serious?
3. Sure looks like lying to me.

You once said that harsh (honest) remarks were OK as long as they were true. I'd stand beside all three of those and remember them pretty well. They were absolutely true. The last one involved you saying that Gen. 3 opened the door to all sorts of aberrant sexual behavior. You said, "Read Genesis 3 (and the rest of the Bible that follows). The universe (and humanity) drastically changed once Adam and Eve bit into that forbidden fruit. No more binary only." I pointed out that your contention was flatly untrue and basically amounted to lying. You could have corrected your statement but chose not to. So I stand by all three of them since they were all true.

But like I've said, if you really had any concern about civil behavior, you would first of all set a good example, and then apply your "standards" to everyone regardless of political beliefs. You have completely failed in both areas.

You once said that harsh (honest) remarks were OK as long as they were true.
I never said that. Please tell me in which thread and on which post I said that. Btw, there's a HUGE difference between "harsh" and "honest". Harsh is "you're an idiot" and honest is "I disagree because...."

I'd stand beside all three of those and remember them pretty well. They were absolutely true.
They are not how one addresses another person on a message board or Q&A site.

The last one involved you saying that Gen. 3 opened the door to all sorts of aberrant sexual behavior. You said, "Read Genesis 3 (and the rest of the Bible that follows). The universe (and humanity) drastically changed once Adam and Eve bit into that forbidden fruit. No more binary only." I pointed out that your contention was flatly untrue and basically amounted to lying. You could have corrected your statement but chose not to.
So how do you explain how everything changed once man was given free will?

You remember this one, sent from Tal to you? "WG haven't you heard? If your head isn't shoulder deep up the dufus a$$ you're considered a liberal. I suspect JL has found a way to get his shoulders pushed in deeper. Or is he wearing sneakers on his hands?" You seemed to find nothing offensive about that. Why? I've never said anything even approaching that, and yet you said nothing. Why?

Look one post above this one. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847858&page=11&p=3862017#post3862017


They are not how one addresses another person on a message board or Q&A site.
And again. If you want me to listen to you, then apply your standard to everyone.

You posted the picture I referred to twice. Sadly, I can't search for pics, but you know and I know you did.


So how do you explain how everything changed once man was given free will?That's not the issue. Yes, many things changed, but they changed for the worse. Murder came along, for instance, but that doesn't make any of it acceptable. It is sinful. Your contention is that these things are ACCEPTABLE. That is simply not true.

Murder came along, for instance, but that doesn't make any of it acceptable. It is sinful. Your contention is that these things are ACCEPTABLE. That is simply not true.
Are you a vegetarian or vegan?

Apparently, your God was the first killer of animals:

Gen. 3:21: And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.

You remember this one, sent from Tal to you? "WG haven't you heard? If your head isn't shoulder deep up the dufus a$$ you're considered a liberal. I suspect JL has found a way to get his shoulders pushed in deeper. Or is he wearing sneakers on his hands?" You seemed to find nothing offensive about that. Why? I've never said anything even approaching that, and yet you said nothing. Why?

Look one post above this one. https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showth...17#post3862017 (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showthread.php?t=847858&page=11&p=3862017#post3862017)And still no comment. That's why you have no cred with me. Comments similar to that were made probably fifty times. You never objected, and it's plain that your "standards" do not apply to your liberal dem friends. It's called "bias", and you seem to have a full supply of it. But even now you have your chance to stand for civility. Will you take it?


Apparently, your God was the first killer of animals:So?

"Your God"???? He's not yours as well?

Are you a vegetarian or vegan?

Apparently, your God was the first killer of animals:

Gen. 3:21: And the Lord God made for Adam and for his wife garments of skins and clothed them.

AND WHO IS YOUR GOD? God didn't have to kill animals to cloth them in skins, he is afterall the creator. Your litteral reading of the Bible becomes a little tiring, read between the lines and exercise your faith

Your litteral reading of the Bible becomes a little tiring, read between the lines and exercise your faithYou're saying this to WG? She hardly reads the Bible in a "litteral" fashion.

I'm not sure where her knowledge comes from but her interpretation is sometimes off

her interpretation is sometimes offSadly true.

AND WHO IS YOUR GOD? God didn't have to kill animals to cloth them in skins, he is afterall the creator. Your litteral reading of the Bible becomes a little tiring, read between the lines and exercise your faith
I am NOT a literal reader of the Bible! I was being facetious, teasing JL about HIS being literal in his reading and understanding.


I'm not sure where her knowledge comes from but her interpretation is sometimes off
My picking up knowledge began when my parents brought me home from the hospital. And my mind is still open.


Sadly true.
Because my reading is not literal and my understanding deepens as I read.

WG, expecting crazy right wingers to be openminded reasonable and logical is INSANITY! You have to give them credit though for folks with their heads stuck up dufus arse they sure run around in some big circles.

Hard to grab them by the ankles and drag them to the sunlight that way for sure, but disgusting when they wallow in their own crap and call others stinky! Liberals are gonna need a bigger water hose for sure.

Thought you knew that WG.

Thought you knew that WG.
I was using my Christian optimism....

Your reading is not non-literal so much as it’s fantasy.

It’s now apparent that you have no intention of speaking to your buddies on this site about their lack of civility. No cred at all. At least everyone can see it now.

Your reading is not non-literal so much as it’s fantasy.
Check with me in heaven.

It’s now apparent that you have no intention of speaking to your buddies on this site about their lack of civility. No cred at all. At least everyone can see it now.
And??? So???

If it doesn’t bother you, then that’s the real problem.

If it doesn’t bother you, then that’s the real problem.
No, the fact that it bothers YOU is the real problem! You can dish it out but can't take it.

No, the fact that it bothers YOU is the real problem! You can dish it out but can't take it.

Bingo!!

No, the fact that it bothers YOU is the real problem! You can dish it out but can't take it.

Right between the eyes WG!! You can rock with the best of 'em!

Job announcement: AMHD in need of qualified civility overseer. Must have sufficient courage to apply rules to all rather than avoiding the favored few. Must also be prepared to follow those selfsame rules him/her self and thus avoid utter hypocrisy. Being willing to confess to personal bias when clearly faced with it and being completely unwilling to lie would be helpful.

Please respond quickly. The need is urgent.

Compassionate liberals to pull confused misguided conservatives from the dufus arse. Civility a plus but not required.

Job announcement: AMHD in need of qualified civility overseer. Must have sufficient courage to apply rules to all rather than avoiding the favored few. Must also be prepared to follow those selfsame rules him/her self and thus avoid utter hypocrisy. Being willing to confess to personal bias when clearly faced with it and being completely unwilling to lie would be helpful.

Please respond quickly. The need is urgent.

you applying?

you applying?No one in his right mind wants that job.

No one in his right mind wants that job.
Grade school playground monitor.

No one in his right mind wants that job.

That's why I said, you applying?

We have a moderator for this site already. Same one we've always had and now all of a sudden it ain't good enough?

Only for JL