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paraclete
Apr 21, 2021, 05:23 AM
The new foreign relations laws have teeth and they are grand fathered meaning that deals can be quashed no matter how old they are and the Australian Federal Government has just quashed deals with China, Iran and Syria as being not in the national interest. I expect other deals with China such as the Darwin Port and the recent deal off the WA coast to be next in the firing line and, of course, this means all sorts of commercial contracts will come under scrutiny

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-04-21/federal-government-tears-up-four-victorian-government-deals/100085676

Should have had that open enquiry into covid and stopped whining about Huawei. While they are at it the should have a close look at the USAFTA

tomder55
Apr 21, 2021, 05:56 AM
Agree USAFTA should be scrapped or renegotiated immediately. Also TPP is a terrible deal for the Aussies .

Example of USAFTA damage . An American energy company is Australia was expropriated without any compensation .(APR Energy 's $70 million facility ) The limp wristed emperor demanded the injustice be corrected . He was ignored and dismissed . It was actions like this that guided Trump in opposing TPP .

jlisenbe
Apr 21, 2021, 07:28 AM
the Australian Federal Government has just quashed deals with China, Iran and Syria as being not in the national interest.Make Australia Great Again. You would think acting in your own national interest would be a very logical goal of any government. Good for Australia. Wish we would more aggressively follow that example.

talaniman
Apr 21, 2021, 07:38 AM
Australia-United States Free Trade Agreement (AUSFTA) - Austrade (https://www.austrade.gov.au/australian/export/free-trade-agreements/ausfta)

AND

Trans-Pacific Partnership: what the deal is and what it means for Australia | Trans-Pacific Partnership | The Guardian (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/09/trans-pacific-partnership-what-the-deal-is-and-what-it-means-for-australia)

Just to clarify where things stand as of now. Seems signed treaties should facilitate negotiations and legal actions rather than arbitrary impulsive actions. I don't think that applies to individual states though, and even here the feds can step in and over rule states agreement with foreign countries if need be. At least one would hope so.

paraclete
Apr 21, 2021, 04:40 PM
Yes, the idea in a federal nation is; you ask permission before committing yourself to agreements with international implications. Australian states are not sovereign, they are administrative units with specific responsibilities. The reserve powers are the power of the Commonwealth, not the states

paraclete
Apr 22, 2021, 04:24 AM
Australia has been unhappy with China's behaviour in the past year as we have been singled out by China in trade, but they have been tone deaf when we tried to take this up with them, but canning their flagship foreign initiative has got their attention, making them fearful that other nations will take a closer look at what China offers, which is actually a debt trap for developing nations

jlisenbe
Apr 22, 2021, 04:53 AM
canning their flagship foreign initiative has got their attention, making them fearfulI hope that's true, but I rather doubt that China is fearful of anything Australia is doing. But I do give you great credit for at least taking a stand. It's similar to what Trump did and what JB is completely afraid to do.

talaniman
Apr 22, 2021, 11:45 AM
One thing about the Chinese is they have no fear of probing for weakness, and resolve. Backing off is not a retreat in fear, but regroup rethink and and replan.

paraclete
Apr 22, 2021, 05:11 PM
The Chinese have not backed off but threated further action on trade so I expect they will shoot themselves in the foot again. You know, Tal, while China might be our biggest trading partner they are actually a small part of our economy, so the impact of their actions just means we look to other emerging markets and maybe we will take action, like slapping a dumping tariff on Chinese autos. Won't have much impact on our economy either, but send a big signal

paraclete
Apr 22, 2021, 05:35 PM
https://www.news.com.au/finance/economy/australian-economy/beijing-slams-australias-suicidal-attack-after-government-cancels-victorias-belt-and-road-agreement/news-story/7899de00a5bf59eb42b94f6c0652f55a

They really have

http://blob:https://www.news.com.au/c9c57531-f165-4ada-b4a0-368ff2b2f614

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfQpQqZZITw

tomder55
Apr 23, 2021, 04:41 AM
China's "great civilization " has been in the hands of thugs and gangsters since at least 1950 .

The Aussies are not alone . We have of course discussed their thuggish behavior with every state they border . But even Canada is coming under their bullying . Does anyone believe that putting 60 surveillance cameras in one restaurant is designed to track employee activities ?
Surveillance cameras at hot pot restaurants in Canada, Taiwan suspected of being part of China’s sprawling social credit system | Apple Daily (https://hk.appledaily.com/news/20210422/UZAWM22G4BBWBC6FLU567JXZLM/)

paraclete
Apr 23, 2021, 04:06 PM
Why is it that the world reels from one autocracy to another

talaniman
Apr 23, 2021, 08:49 PM
Cameras are cheap.


Why is it that the world reels from one autocracy to another

They just keep popping up, along with the usual cast of entrenched dictators.

paraclete
Apr 24, 2021, 06:00 PM
You know, Pop Pot might have been right when he eliminated the intelligencer, it gave fresh start

https://www.news.com.au/national/politics/ardern-new-zealand-criticised-for-soft-stance-on-china/news-story/d721e4f0d90e0cd09ed84e39d63236a4



New Zealand, an important ally in Oceania, is soft on China and has come in for criticism. It doesn't matter, they are too far away to benefit from the Belt and Road and too small to be of more than passing interest to China

paraclete
Apr 27, 2021, 04:30 PM
China has come out and called Australia "sick" after an upgrade in defence facilities was announced, this followed a senior public servant, a hawk, saying the drums of war are beating. They complain about interference in their internal affairs and yet they interfere in others. They just don't get that the rest of the world consider their system of government as antiquated at best and dangerous at worst. Their paranoia knows no bounds

talaniman
Apr 27, 2021, 04:53 PM
And this surprises you why?

paraclete
Apr 27, 2021, 05:31 PM
No Tal, it doesn't surprise me, China is long on rhetoric, but they continue to beat the drum where we are concerned. we will retaliate with a ban on goods made by Uyghurs enslaved by China

paraclete
Apr 28, 2021, 08:35 PM
China has called our politicians stirrers, but they miss the essential element of the Australian culture, of course we are stirrers, we do it to all our friends, and they called us unethical, because we have benefited from trade with China, they forget, they have benefited from trade with us, where else would they get high grade iron ore, high grade coal, lobster, fine wine, barley, all at a reasonable price. They actually shot themselves in the foot by restricting imports

jlisenbe
Apr 28, 2021, 08:42 PM
China is not worried about Australia.

paraclete
Apr 29, 2021, 05:07 AM
True, but in a war we would stop shipping iron and coal

jlisenbe
Apr 29, 2021, 05:41 AM
in a war we would stop shipping iron and coalA war that might last six months, after which China would own you, your coal, and your iron ore. Your only hope would be _______. (I'll let you fill in the blank.)

paraclete
Apr 29, 2021, 02:57 PM
A war that might last six months, after which China would own you, your coal, and your iron ore. Your only hope would be _______. (I'll let you fill in the blank.)

Yes, but they will own you too, my hope is in God. logistically, China is a long way from Australia. Our vulnerability is oil, a much neglected resource, because the limp wristed greenies don't like us exploring for it. They may get their way and be ruled by autocrats who will "protect the environment"
I think we should protect ourselves by eliminating the true threat, the deviates and fellow travellers

tomder55
Apr 30, 2021, 02:06 AM
informative article

Australian clarity and Beijing’s panic mark a tumultuous week | The Strategist (aspistrategist.org.au) (https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australian-clarity-and-beijings-panic-mark-a-tumultuous-week/?fbclid=IwAR339AWSO4Fb-4lsx32JRRGOuToSHrCxATe1p72_9Dzp-umbmqciz90FJP0)

, for Australia, our ability to draw on strong alliances and deep friendships with like-minded democracies is the reason that we will prevail against Beijing.

jlisenbe
Apr 30, 2021, 05:28 AM
One good thing from Australia is Skynews. This guy hit the nail on the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fd9zQjYaUs

paraclete
Apr 30, 2021, 05:50 AM
One good thing from Australia is Skynews. This guy hit the nail on the head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fd9zQjYaUs

Jones has been around for a long time, not often he says something sane, but who knows anyone but Joe can change

paraclete
Apr 30, 2021, 05:56 AM
informative article

Australian clarity and Beijing’s panic mark a tumultuous week | The Strategist (aspistrategist.org.au) (https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/australian-clarity-and-beijings-panic-mark-a-tumultuous-week/?fbclid=IwAR339AWSO4Fb-4lsx32JRRGOuToSHrCxATe1p72_9Dzp-umbmqciz90FJP0)

, for Australia, our ability to draw on strong alliances and deep friendships with like-minded democracies is the reason that we will prevail against Beijing.

Yes, I think we have Beijing's number