Trump had the troops scheduled to leave in May. Quid pushed it back to a symbolic date of 9-11-21 .20 years after the 9-11 attack on the US by AQ .

Any American lives lost and the expense staying one day longer is on Quid . Does he really think the 3 month extension will change the outcome ? We will leave ,The Taliban will over run Kabul and depose the government .Then they will reestablish the extreme Islamic state .

The "extreme" islamic state isn't the question, as long as they stay within their own borders and don't collect fellow travellers, but the whole scenario has changed, it was an "extreme" islamic state before the US invaded. Anyway they couldn't be more extreme than their neighbours and just maybe they have learned something. The US can't afford two islamic enemies

just maybe they have learned something.Keep on dreaming.

Anyway they couldn't be more extreme than their neighbours and just maybe they have learned something. how quickly they forget . What did they learn .... better ways to brutalize people by watching ISIS ?

Quid :

I believed that our presence in Afghanistan should be focused on the reason we went in the first place: To ensure Afghanistan would not be used as a base from which to attack our homeland again. We did that. We accomplished that objective. I said, among with others, we’d follow Osama Bin Laden to the gates of hell, if need be. That’s exactly what we did, and we got him. It took us close to 10 years to put president Obama’s commitment into form. And that’s exactly what happened. Osama Bin Ladin was gone.

Remarks by President Biden on the Way Forward in Afghanistan | The White House (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2021/04/14/remarks-by-president-biden-on-the-way-forward-in-afghanistan/)

The truth :

FLASHBACK: Biden Was Opposed To Bin Laden Raid: “Mr. President, My Suggestion Is Don’t Go” - YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lgcBejo2Ug)

how quickly they forget . What did they learn .... better ways to brutalize people by watching ISIS ?

perhaps they learned better ways to brutalise people by watching our own forces

not even a contest . You and your moral equivalence nonsense. The worse offender in the Aussie contingent would be considered a pansy compared to the kindest hearted Taliban thug when it comes to treating prisoners and civilians.

not even a contest . You and your moral equivalence nonsense. The worse offender in the Aussie contingent would be considered a pansy compared to the kindest hearted Taliban thug when it comes to treating prisoners and civilians. Oh I don't know kicking in doors in the middle of the night, home invasions terrifying women and children, yes, the Taliban insisted on a standard non islamics don't understand and few would tolerate but they took time off for prayer, You and I don't understand islamic fundamentalism, our minds are enlightened, however all societies go through a transition

the Taliban insisted on a standard non islamics don't understand and few would tolerate but they took time off for prayer,Thank goodness that after they murder civilians, they take some time off for prayer.

Yes It is more than can be said for our own troops

It's been obvious for years the Taliban has a safe haven in Pakistan to hide from the US while carrying out excursions into Afghanistan. In addition if years of training and proping hasn't enabled the Afghans to resist the Taliban then it was a waste in the first place. Unlike the Iraqi debacle that created ISIS and empowered Iran in that region, it's unclear whether or not the Taliban will successfully gain a stronger foothold in territories they do currently don't already control.

It's been obvious for years the Taliban has a safe haven in Pakistan to hide from the US while carrying out excursions into Afghanistan. In addition if years of training and proping hasn't enabled the Afghans to resist the Taliban then it was a waste in the first place. Unlike the Iraqi debacle that created ISIS and empowered Iran in that region, it's unclear whether or not the Taliban will successfully gain a stronger foothold in territories they do currently don't already control.

It is possible the Taliban have no extranational objectives and it is time for the US to abandon this unwinnable war. Perhaps the Afghans have no will to resist the Taliban since the Taliban are everywhere. They are a better propaganda engine than the US and they are like moles and rats coming out of their holes at night

Naw, just backward fundamentalists preserving the old way of life. Really no different than most fundamentalists anywhere.

Yes you have some experience with those, thank God they are not muslim