Now that the have accomplished their mission of denying Trump a second term they are being cancelled and assigned to the trash bin of history .

George Conway: Lincoln Project must give 'full explanation of what happened' (yahoo.com) (https://news.yahoo.com/lincoln-project-co-founder-says-group-must-give-full-explanation-of-what-happened-161913752.html)

Inside the Lincoln Project: Claims of harassment, sexism, ‘toxic’ workplace (usatoday.com) (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/02/15/inside-lincoln-project-claims-harassment-sexism-toxic-workplace/4483922001/)

Lincoln Project's fundraising page down as scandals mount (nypost.com) (https://nypost.com/2021/02/15/lincoln-projects-fundraising-page-down-as-scandals-mount/)


The swift death of the media darlings known as the Lincoln Project | TheHill (https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/538795-the-swift-death-of-the-media-darlings-known-as-the-lincoln-project)

here is the cliff notes . For as long as I can remember the Dems and the press have found useful idiots in the Repub ranks to serve their purpose . Then when they have done the Dem's bidding ,they get thrown over the bus. The Lincoln Project was not really about Politics. It was about Grift. Weaver Preyed on young men.
They all Preyed on Rich Anti-Trump donors, raking\in tens of millions of dollars. With most of that money going to enrich themselves. Trump was just their fundraising tool. More proof that the swamp is bi-partisan in it's corruption.

Whatever got rid of the dufus I was for, and it can't be as bad as coddling white supremists who were on "STAND BY". At least require they put their hoods back on.

you mean you can't tell a white supremist by the look and smell, or do you just want to cover their faces?

The Lincoln project turned out to be a money making enterprise that the compliant press bought into because they were anti-Trump. They were ineffective as a political force. So you can believe they had a hand in Trump's defeat .But it just wasn't so.
The Real Story About “Never Trump” Republicans - The Daily Poster (https://www.dailyposter.com/p/the-real-story-about-never-trump)

Which way was it? 8D


Now that they have accomplished their mission of denying Trump a second term

They were ineffective as a political force.

When 1st posted I was unaware of the fact that their campaign did not contributed to Trump's defeat . Their main accomplishment was fund raising for pocket lining . The apparent success was another Twitter deception. Their tweets drew thousand of followers retweeting .
But according to Repub Senate Super Pac's Steve Law "We ran against @ProjectLincoln in every one of these races. Their ads were inside-the-Beltway terrible and they clearly pocketed most of the cash rather than putting it onscreen."
(10) Steven Law on Twitter: "We ran against @ProjectLincoln in every one of these races. Their ads were inside-the-beltway terrible and they clearly pocketed most of the cash rather than putting it onscreen. Schumer wasted his $$$ on them." / Twitter (https://twitter.com/LawAmericanX/status/1361819344016207874)

Instead of reaching Repubs ;they were reaching Dems already determined to defeat Trump. In fact the Senate Dem Pac donated $2 million to the Lincolns .

What it means going forward is that there is no real meaningful opposition to Trump or "Trumpism " in the ranks of the GOP . The Lincoln project is discredited and there was very little opposition to Trump during the show trial .

Last week as the story was developing more members of the group came forward . They contradicted the narrative that co founder Steve Sshmidt advanced ;that they did not know about co founder John Weaver's perversions until January . They in fact knew about it as early as March of last year .

Their attitude was basically that anything goes so long as Trump goes. I have a funny feeling that a few months of left wing governance will go at least some direction towards correcting that. And I'm not a fan of Trump, but he looks better all the time compared to Harris/Biden/Pelosi/AOC.

AOC would have slogged through the snow and brought you food and water. Ted Cruz would have ... wait, where did he go? he was here just a minute ago, packing his suitcase full of short-sleeved t-shirts shirts and cotton knit shorts.

Ted Cruz is unfit to be a politician ! He admitted he was wrong..... something no politician ever does (just listen to il duce these days ....He has perfected the art of denial ,)

Ted Cruz is unfit to be a politician ! He admitted he was wrong.....
There was no conflict in deciding where to be--in his own state, helping its citizens, or relaxing in Cancun.

He's a legend . He went there to lasso the sun to bring it back to Texas . He screwed up and admitted it . That puts him a mile above that pos il duce .

taking a winter holiday, how can you refuse the man that?

and besides Cancun can be a dangerous place. The man was protecting his family.

and besides Cancun can be a dangerous place. The man was protecting his family.
Why was his family in Cancun?

don't you listen? taking a winter holiday

don't you listen? taking a winter holiday
Because.... oh, yeah, Texas was majorly suffering from snow and ice and extreme cold. Burst pipes, no electricity, no heat, no warm meals. Nuts to your constituents. Go to Cancun for a warm, sunny vacation in an expensive hotel and eat pricey meals.

I have to side with WG on this one. It was incredibly dumb. Was it even close to what Cuomo did in NY? No, but still stupid.

if he weren't a politician you would have nothing to say about it

Pols undertake leadership. Leaders don't run off to Cancun while everyone else suffers.

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I'm a supporter of two tiger shelters, one in Tennessee and one in Texas. The animals are well cared for but the shelters regularly ask for donations for tiger surgeries, for replacing walls, for adding housing for new arrivals, and especially for food. If I were a tiger, I'd rather take my chances in the wild and BE a tiger, not a caged "pet".People need help sometimes, so it's good of you to support those two facilities. I minister at a drug rehab center. It's a six month program and really not long enough. It's hard for people to change. Still, the objective must be to get out into the real world and support yourself.

to get out into the real world and support yourself.
Normally, that would be quite possible. For years, I've helped people with job searching, resumes, cover letters, and interviewing, but with covid AND the horrible weather, along with the problems they have brought, finding a good job is almost impossible. Finding ANY job is almost impossible!

finding a good job is almost impossible. Finding ANY job is almost impossible!I don't think that is at all true. I have seen MANY guys leave our drug rehab facility and have a decent job within a week. Some of those guys have criminal records and yet get jobs and get them fairly quickly. The primary two things is to really WANT to have a job and be willing to do virtually anything short of male prostitution, and to understand that if I want to eat, then I need to work. You might have to work two jobs. You might have to work sixty or seventy hours a week, but if you really are willing, then you can make it assuming you are relatively healthy both mentally and physically.

I don't think that is at all true. I have seen guys leave our drug rehab facility and have a decent job within a week.
Such as?

while you are right that attitude is important, there also have to be jobs available, in some communities they are rare

Such as?Working at a construction site. Working for a furniture store. Working at selling cars. Working as a plumber. The list would be long.


there also have to be jobs available, in some communities they are rare
Then move to where there are jobs. In our state, which is not an economic giant, there are advertisements all over the place of people looking for workers. Now it might be a 12 dollar an hour job. If that's the case, then you work 60 hours a week for 12 an hour and that's 720 a week. You can make it on 720 a week. Then work harder than the guy beside you and move up the ladder. It happens all the time.

Working at a construction site. Working for a furniture store. Working at selling cars. Working as a plumber. The list would be long.
Then they must have had previous experience in those jobs or related jobs.

Then they must have had previous experience in those jobs or related jobs.

Or you could be just one of many applicants.

don't ignore the facts tal employers look for experience

In our area if you are willing to work you can get jobs. Experience is good but hardly necessary. Depends on the job of course, but right now it’s a workers market.

Finding ANY job is almost impossible! The company I recently retired from is a manufacturing company that pays well . They have recruiters looking for employees all the time . When I left there were multiple openings at all levels of operation .



Then they must have had previous experience in those jobs or related jobs. There were plenty of entry level jobs. All we required was a degree of English proficiency and a basic knowledge of math . They also had to pass a drug test because they would be working with equipment .


don't ignore the facts tal employers look for experience Experience preferred but most of our employees at the operations level trained on the job.


but right now it’s a workers market.


correct and it doesn't help that some are willing to ride out unemployment for the full term . The current plan ends in April . But Quid wants $400 a week for an extended period as well as those $1,400 gimme checks .

it doesn't help that some are willing to ride out unemployment for the full term .

I hardly think that you or your echo are economists. You have a track record of not understanding basic economics nor economic systems.

Because some would game the system, you are happy to overlook the adults and children who don't have enough to eat.

I hardly think that you or your echo are economists. You have a track record of not understanding basic economics nor economic systems.You don't have to have a degree in economics to know that jobs are available.


Because some would game the system, you are happy to overlook the adults and children who don't have enough to eat.Believing A does not lead to believing B. Your bias is showing again.

Having hired staff for 32 years ,I do have some knowledge of the issue

According to a survey by the National Federation of Independent Business, Business owners say that some job applicants want to get paid under the table, so they can continue to collect jobless benefits .I had my share of hires stayed through the mandatory training period or who started working and then tried to get fired so they could collect extended benefits . It is much more prevalent than "some " gaming the system. It doesn't take an economist to see that there is a perverse unintended consequence to being so generous in unemployment benefits that it would make economic sense for "some " to stay on the dole rather than seeking a job that pays close to what they are getting for not working .
Some Business Owners Can't Compete For Jobs With New $600 Unemployment Benefit : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/04/21/838879361/bitter-taste-for-coffee-shop-owner-as-new-600-jobless-benefit-closed-her-busines)

Yeah. Seeing signs all over our town for businesses practically begging for workers is a pretty good indicator. We have had small businesses here close because they could not be staffed adequately. But then I don't have my doctorate in economics. Maybe it actually means that everyone should vote for Biden???


Some Business Owners Can't Compete For Jobs With New $600 Unemployment Benefit : NPR (https://www.npr.org/2020/04/21/838879361/bitter-taste-for-coffee-shop-owner-as-new-600-jobless-benefit-closed-her-busines)When left-wing, dem controlled NPR starts reporting news like that, then you know it has to be true.

LOL, if you cannot compete in a livable wage market maybe you shouldn't be in business and people wouldn't have to game a system that allowed a decent living. You don't have to be an expert to know that and keep in mind your conservative attitude toward the working poor only apply to YOUR location and may not reflect the real experiences of other areas of the country.

As we recovered from the last recession even repub governors recognized the lack of jobs in their locals and states and tried to act appropriately with programs and workshops to help close the jobless gap with nary a word about lazy people gaming the system. It's been recognized for decades that the least of us lacked resources to move to where there are jobs without some level of help and support so sorry if that narrative falls on deaf ears here, because even in the best of circumstances it could take years to get your foot in the door and turn your life around to stable manageability.

Having hired staff for 32 years ,I do have some knowledge of the issue

I have no doubt you have some knowledge of the issue, key word being "some". Your anecdote is not something to base an attempt to pump the economy on.

Some of my knowledge tells me it is a mistake to "pump " the economy with monopoly money . .

In case you hadn't noticed ;prices are rising rapidly . The home I purchased in January is selling almost $30,000 more than when I went to contract . Why ? The builder has to compensate for the cost of supplies . As more money primes the pump ,the value of the money decreases and it costs more dollars to buy the same goods .

Dollar’s Purchasing Power Drops to Record Low, Despite Aggressive “Hedonic Quality Adjustments” | Wolf Street (https://wolfstreet.com/2021/02/10/dollars-purchasing-power-drops-to-record-low-despite-aggressive-hedonic-quality-adjustments/)

What will "pump" the economy is ending the lock downs . There is about $1.5 trillion of unspent consumer dollars in pent up demand . Open the markets and let the consumer solve the economy /

Wonder how many layoff notices Tom gave out in those 32 years of hiring given the lean times we've been through for the past decades.

What will "pump" the economy is ending the lock downs . There is about $1.5 trillion of unspent consumer dollars in pent up demand . Open the markets and let the consumer solve the economy /But then the government would not be able to take the credit for sending out borrowed money to people who don't need it.

Some of my knowledge tells me it is a mistake to "pump " the economy with monopoly money . .

In case you hadn't noticed ;prices are rising rapidly . The home I purchased in January is selling almost $30,000 more than when I went to contract . Why ? The builder has to compensate for the cost of supplies . As more money primes the pump ,the value of the money decreases and it costs more dollars to buy the same goods .

Dollar’s Purchasing Power Drops to Record Low, Despite Aggressive “Hedonic Quality Adjustments” | Wolf Street (https://wolfstreet.com/2021/02/10/dollars-purchasing-power-drops-to-record-low-despite-aggressive-hedonic-quality-adjustments/)

What will "pump" the economy is ending the lock downs . There is about $1.5 trillion of unspent consumer dollars in pent up demand . Open the markets and let the consumer solve the economy /

You can't ignore the health crisis nor the effects on the economy we are in, or the fact that prices are going up but wages aren't following. Sometimes market solutions aren't strictly the answer, and one size doesn't fit all. Like half the country can even afford a NEW house. They barely can afford the rent.

What will pump the economy is resolving the covid problem.

Wonder how many layoff notices Tom gave out in those 32 years of hiring given the lean times we've been through for the past decades.








Very Few . Kept the staffing lean and mean . Many of the workers that were there when I was hired are still there . Turn over rate was low except recently . And that is because workers in this area have choices . I fired my share . But that was performance related . We made products that consumers count on for their health ,and not adhering to strict quality standards was not tolerated .

I wasn't as involved as Tom, but school principals do hiring and firing. I found that I could do myself a big favor by hiring really good people in the first place.

I was in a Target store in Austin a few months ago. They were paying fifteen dollars an hour as starting wages. The jobs are there for those who want them.

Austin is in Texas where the job market is a lot better than most places. Washing cars starts at 12 bucks an hour.

yes and there are more opportunities in NYC area than oh let's say just about anywhere else in NY State where the political leadership continues to refuse to allow the market to flourish .

You claim to be a proponent of the working class But you approve of policies that would prevent them from getting well paid work . If you think anyone is going to be able to provide a good life for themselves or their families by washing cars then I really can't help you . There are many people in upstate NY who can do better than car washing if the jobs were there . Across the border in PA entry level energy jobs are starting at $48,000 a year with on the job training

You know full well that's a mischaracterization of what I said, and you even mischaracterize your own words if you're implying anybody can just walk into those 48K a year energy jobs.

Just look up the minimum requirements and get the straight story. Go ahead, ask me how I know. While we're on that subject you can articulate those policies that you claim I espouse that prevent people from getting those good jobs.

Across the border in PA entry level energy jobs are starting at $48,000 a year with on the job training.But since that doesn't fit the narrative that good jobs are hard to find, you can be sure it will be ignored by many here

you know as I do, good jobs are limited and good people even more so and matching the two is a difficult exercise

But since that doesn't fit the narrative that good jobs are hard to find, you can be sure it will be ignored by many here

I know a lot about the trades and the requirements for those good hard to find jobs. You righties can't just walk in and get paid like you claim without qualifications. If you have them then you get a higher rate after a specific time of on the job training.

Ask me how I know!

if all you strive for is a job at the car wash then don't complain about your lot in life .

you know as I doWe know as YOU do??? Sorry Clete, but you are sitting 10,000 miles away. You don't know squat about what is available here. I see it frequently. For instance, every large truck that goes by seems to have an ad on the back telling us to call a number to get a job driving. We are several hundred thousand drivers short of what could be used. There are jobs all over the place here, and we are scarcely an economic powerhouse of a state. Do they all pay 50K a year? No, but they are all a start, and a motivated person can move up the ladder if he/she is not spending most of the day feeling sorry for himself.

if all you strive for is a job at the car wash then don't complain about your lot in life .

You've NEVER heard me complain about MY lot in life, just gratitude for ALL the blessings I've gotten along the way, including the ability to make delicious lemonade.

including the ability to make delicious lemonade.


my favorite non-alcoholic drink. I am preparing a fresh batch for my drive to South Carolina .


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Lemonade is the best. Well, perhaps behind grape juice.

if all you strive for is a job at the car wash then don't complain about your lot in life .

If all you can see is striving to work at a car wash, then don't complain about others lot in life. You should treat your superior attitude with a dash of compassion.

compassion, that is for lefties

compassion, that is for lefties

And you call yourself a Christian?

If all you can see is striving to work at a car wash, then don't complain about others lot in life. You should treat your superior attitude with a dash of compassion. I did not bring up car washes . Tal did when dismissing j's observation that there were job opportunities in Austin.

Reality check . A job at a car wash for $12/hr is good pay for that position ;even in the NY market .

My compassion goes to that person if they think that is a more than just a starter job until a better opportunity comes along. When I was taking tickets at the movies or delivering papers I did not think that was the end of my job seeking . They were what they were ;starter jobs.

What I did as a manager was to evaluate talent and try to steer my employees to job openings that matched their skill set . I could not force them to take the job . All I could do was recommend they apply . Some of my employees opted to do the same job they entered the company doing . Well their pay reflected that . They got cost of living adjustments annually that capped when they reached the highest pay allowed for their position.

Some of my employees opted to do the same job they entered the company doing . Well their pay reflected that . They got cost of living adjustments annually that capped when they reached the highest pay allowed for their position.

Are you criticizing their choice?

You've mentioned your work as an employment manager. Is that what you were - a personnel worker? It would help, as long as you brought it up, to know more specifically what you did.

I thought I was clear . I managed a heath care manufacturing operation plant(pharmaceutical ;supplement ,vitamin etc) . The Human Resources sent me recruits and I made the call if they were hired .



Are you criticizing their choice?
Not at all . I never pressured anyone to accept promotion except to make it understood that I thought it was in their interest and that I thought they could do the job.

I thought I was clear . I managed a heath care manufacturing operation plant(pharmaceutical ;supplement ,vitamin etc) . The Human Resources sent me recruits and I made the call if they were hired .

Ok - I missed that. Thank you.

Not at all . I never pressured anyone to accept promotion except to make it understood that I thought it was in their interest and that I thought they could do the job.I take your comment to mean that opportunities were there for those people, but they chose not to pursue them. That is fine, of course, but it would be a mistake to suggest years later that other societal factors had worked against them.

I have seen people completely content to perform the same tasks year after year . Opportunities were always posted . As I have already mentioned ,there are multiple staffing positions to fill .We used recruiters to seek out applicants . We hired from temp firms What we never had was a long line of applicants looking for work . Even in lean years there were very few people who rang the bell asking to fill out an application .
To be honest ;there were even fewer American born applicants .Most of my staff were Hispanic from many nations ;India natives and other Asian . That was also for line workers and supervisor positions . The VP I worked for was Puerto Rican .

nice multiracial thing you have going

nice multiracial thing you have going

It's a works in progress for sure but rest assured the progress will continue.

I have seen people completely content to perform the same tasks year after year . Opportunities were always posted . As I have already mentioned ,there are multiple staffing positions to fill .We used recruiters to seek out applicants . We hired from temp firms What we never had was a long line of applicants looking for work . Even in lean years there were very few people who rang the bell asking to fill out an application .
To be honest ;there were even fewer American born applicants .Most of my staff were Hispanic from many nations ;India natives and other Asian . That was also for line workers and supervisor positions . The VP I worked for was Puerto Rican .

One thing I've learned over the years is most people want to just have a secure honest living and then go home and enjoy their families. Few look to take over the company and would rather get overtime on a regular basis. We were a union shop though and kissing the bosses arse wasn't a consideration, for overtime or advancements.

Though some did LOL.

I know what it is like to be management in a union shop . I compensated for union rules with strict enforcement of work place rules with no leniency . Sorry I would've preferred to turn a blind eye .... but . Eventually I went to a non-union environment where I could be more flexible and over look someone who missed being back at their work station on time because they were in a conversation with their child care provider .

As for over time .... my attitude was to allow it and to take the heat when the bean counters called and asking why I wasn't spreading it around . Why should I punish someone who wants to do the time instead of even bothering to ask someone who would tell me ......."more over time ...more taxes " ?

Tom you should have explained that tax isn't 100% so, no, they don't get to keep all they earn but who does?

I tried . Really I did .

Tom you should have explained that tax isn't 100%I doubt he had any employees so stupid that they didn't already understand that. They weren't worried about taxes. They just wanted to go home.

Our experiences seem to be vastly different since workplace rules were a thing for both sides and we sort of worked things out amongst ourselves as you would expect from guys that spent a lot of their lives together. I had a lot of bosses ranging from the old school white shirt managers to the blue collar ones who came up through the ranks until the company went young with college grads who could input a computer but not a lot of people or job experience.

It was about getting the job done and going home the same way you came in and of course anybody can have a bad day but the deal was as we aged together we were very cool between workers and management especially as we had shared experiences together like shift work, so can't say as I relate to all your experiences.

Interesting differences though, but glad you're out of that rat race. Enjoy the fruits of your labor, you certainly earned it. I'll tell my Carolina peeps the guy with the glasses and funny accent ain't a good old boy and is pretty cool. 8D

Maybe leave the NY jersey at home!

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I doubt he had any employees so stupid that they didn't already understand that. They weren't worried about taxes. They just wanted to go home.

Yeh no loyalty to the company

Yeh no loyalty to the companyAs well as either no ambition for advancement, or no understanding of how it comes to pass.

It was not a matter of loyalty to the company . It was a matter of self interest . i never forced anyone to do OT nor did I take it into account when filling out reviews . However ,when they were hired it was made clear to them that we operated a 6 day week and that there would be an abundance of OT . Some took classes after work . Some needed to be home with their children . The only reason that I spoke against was the ones who gave the 'more work more taxes ' line . And I gave it one shot to convince them otherwise . That was it . Later on ;when they decided they needed more lettuce I let them know that they were at the back of the line of the rotation.

We lived under the guidelines that a refusal of OT was counted the same as working, so yeah I can get with going back to the end of the rotation.

My beef has always been that those who didn't pay union dues got the same protections as those that did.