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Athos
Nov 17, 2020, 07:59 AM
Biden passes 79 million votes - highest ever.
50.9% of popular vote - most for any challenger since FDR.
5.7 million votes more than Trump - and the margin is still growing.
Trump will be absent from Biden's inauguration since he will abscond to Florida prior where he will fight extradition to New York one minute after the noon hour on January 20 when NY will commence extradition proceedings against Trump to face criminal charges.
On the other hand, one week later Trump's orange jump suit during his perp walk will nicely complement his spray-on orange skin-tone.
tomder55
Nov 17, 2020, 10:23 AM
gotta love that smartmatic tabulating system
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 10:39 AM
Hope he doesn't start a war before he leaves first.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/16/us/politics/trump-iran-nuclear.html
Athos
Nov 17, 2020, 10:47 AM
gotta love that smartmatic tabulating system
Tomder, have you ever seen a conspiracy theory you did NOT like?
Even Sean Hannity has disowned this one. Your hero Sydney Powell is still promoting it. She claims it has caused Trump to lose "millions and millions of votes"!
When asked for proof on FOX-NEWS, Powell said, "“Well, I’ve got lots of ways to prove it, but I’m not going to tell on national TV what all we have."
This one is easy to debunk. Have you no shame, Tom?
tomder55
Nov 17, 2020, 11:09 AM
tal I don't believe it . He wouldn't bomb Iran when his advisors wanted him to do it. That is why Bolton got a bug up his butt about Trump .
https://reason.com/2019/06/21/trump-is-right-killing-innocent-iranians-would-be-a-not-proportionate-response-to-downed-drone/
Trump asked his highest-ranking national security advisers what possible responses were available to him and how best to respond to Iran, officials told the Times.
That is not the same as seeking options to bomb them . So, he asked for options. Isn’t that what presidents always do?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/trump-possible-offensive-iran-nuclear-site/index.html
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 11:19 AM
tal I don't believe it . He wouldn't bomb Iran when his advisors wanted him to do it. That is why Bolton got a bug up his butt about Trump .
https://reason.com/2019/06/21/trump-is-right-killing-innocent-iranians-would-be-a-not-proportionate-response-to-downed-drone/
Trump asked his highest-ranking national security advisers what possible responses were available to him and how best to respond to Iran, officials told the Times.
That is not the same as seeking options to bomb them . So, he asked for options. Isn’t that what presidents always do?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/16/politics/trump-possible-offensive-iran-nuclear-site/index.html
Competent presidents would have such options ready when they changed the name of the game by withdrawing from the deal. Months before you get evicted is rather late don't you think?
paraclete
Nov 17, 2020, 01:15 PM
Trump will find an excuse to visit his investments in Moscow
tomder55
Nov 17, 2020, 01:23 PM
Athos for 4 years you have believed the debunked conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election in 2016 . Have you no shame ?
Wondergirl
Nov 17, 2020, 01:29 PM
conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election in 2016 .
He didn't???
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 01:29 PM
Athos for 4 years you have believed the debunked conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election in 2016 . Have you no shame ?
He did! That theory hasn't been debunked but denied and attempted to be covered up but that's what the Stone conviction and pardon was about as well as the dufus impeachment trial. Nice to have sycophants on the taxpayer dole, but that's coming to a rapid end.
I told you to read the Mueller Report for yourself but NOOOOOOOOO! You would rather believe the the dufus and the right wing noise machine.
jlisenbe
Nov 17, 2020, 01:32 PM
Athos for 4 years you have believed the debunked conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election in 2016 . Have you no shame ?This is hilarious. Four years of investigations and impeachment hearings, and in the end there was nothing, but that's not enough for some on this board. It's just another symptom of TDS.
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 01:35 PM
This is hilarious. Four years of investigations and impeachment hearings, and in the end there was nothing, but that's not enough for some on this board. It's just another symptom of TDS.
I accept you can't read either.
tomder55
Nov 17, 2020, 01:35 PM
Competent presidents would have such options ready when they changed the name of the game by withdrawing from the deal. Months before you get evicted is rather late don't you think?
uh no . Contingency plans get discussed and plans revised all time ;and consulting with advisors is expected .In this case it was reacting to a specific report by international inspectors that the homicidal apocalyptic rulers in Tehran had significantly increased the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, Only in the Trump hating world does he get condemned for both being someone who ignores advisor and for consulting with them before taking action .
jlisenbe
Nov 17, 2020, 01:48 PM
I accept you can't read either.I read fine. Do I accept the analysis of an enthusiastic Trump hater? No.
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 01:51 PM
uh no . Contingency plans get discussed and plans revised all time ;and consulting with advisors is expected .In this case it was reacting to a specific report by international inspectors that the homicidal apocalyptic rulers in Tehran had significantly increased the country’s stockpile of nuclear material, Only in the Trump hating world does he get condemned for both being someone who ignores advisor and for consulting with them before taking action .
Nice spin but increasing nuclear material was a given and the dufus was told it was from the beginning despite the Euros begging. Surprised he didn't just get Netty to do the dirty work for him since Netty owes him a solid.
tomder55
Nov 17, 2020, 01:52 PM
tal I can read very well . The report concluded there was ZERO evidence of collusion.
Then in part 2 he said he could not exonerate Trump on obstruction. It was not his job to exonerate or not . If he had clear evidence of it he should've recommended further action against the President . That whole 2nd part of the report was BS to appease the Dems and to further smear the President .
NBC ,the Slimes ,NPR ,Politico ,all the usual suspects reported the same thing.
Not only did Mueller COMPLETELY debunk the theory ;he obliterated it . Mueller, said that there was insufficient evidence to charge any American with crimes relating to Russian election interference .
No evidence ;not merely that there was insufficient evidence to obtain a criminal conviction.
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 02:16 PM
No collusion, no obstruction was Barr's spin...neither was true.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roger-stone-verdict-guilty-on-all-7-counts-jury-finds-in-trial-of-longtime-trump-associate-today-2019-11-15/
tomder55
Nov 17, 2020, 03:10 PM
lying to Congress, witness tampering and obstruction..... in other words process crimes . Why didn't Mueller charge Stone ,Wikileaks and Julian Assange for the Russian hack of the DNC emails ? Because he had no proof of Russian involvement . Assange says he did not work with the Russians . Mueller decided there was not enough proof.Mueller did not even find evidence of coordination of Stone and Wikileaks . Assange faces charges in a hacking conspiracy, though the case is unrelated to the 2016 election. Had Mueller had any more than the process crimes on Stone you know he would've used it .
Athos
Nov 17, 2020, 03:13 PM
Athos for 4 years you have believed the debunked conspiracy theory that Trump colluded with the Russians to steal the election in 2016 . Have you no shame ?
I believe that Russia interfered with the 2016 election. That is also the conclusion of the US intelligence agencies stated many, many times. There is no doubt about that.
As far as Trump colluding with Russia, I have never said that he did. I think it quite plausible however, based on Trump's possibly being in the pocket of Putin due to his (possible) debt to Putin. That is the best explanation of his believing the word of an enemy of America and not believing his own intelligence agencies. Evidence for that collusion may yet turn up when Trump leaves the protection of the presidency.
Trump, who we now know does not deal in reality, loudly claimed he was "exonerated" by Mueller every chance he got. That was an absolute falsehood. Mueller gave 10 instances of trump's law-breaking. Trump will face those on January 21, 2021.
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 03:22 PM
Unless the rumor is true that Rosey held Mueller in check playing both sides of the fence. I can't verify that but would make sense. As much as any deep state conspiracy theory.
jlisenbe
Nov 17, 2020, 03:55 PM
I see. You're not suggesting Trump colluded with the Russkies, except that you are.
talaniman
Nov 17, 2020, 05:31 PM
I suggest he was coordinating with Russia to get elected, and re elected.
paraclete
Nov 17, 2020, 06:54 PM
Russia doesn't decide the election, so coordinating with them is meaningless and once again, the theory has been debunked
talaniman
Nov 18, 2020, 06:02 AM
Not debunked, but enough people have become more aware of the game the dufus was playing and came forth to fire his a$$! That's the way to handle loonies Clete, keep them away from the power tools, and don't let them run loose without a chaperone.
jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2020, 06:42 AM
Who's going to keep the Harris/Biden/Pelosi loonie machine away from the power tools?
talaniman
Nov 18, 2020, 06:45 AM
I refer you to history. Dems have always come in to clean up the mess repubs made. I suggest you help out, or stay out of the way.
jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2020, 06:46 AM
I suggest you try and tell the truth. Trump had to come in and clean up the regulatory mess left by Obama. Once that was done, the economy, previously limping along, became truly healthy and set records in low unemployment, a fact which even you cannot deny.
talaniman
Nov 18, 2020, 07:20 AM
Easy to drive a car after a dem president pulls it out of a ditch and fixes it. Hey looki...it's in the ditch again, but don't worry, here come's JOE!
Right on time...AGAIN to pull the car out of the ditch...AGAIN!
From another dufus AGAIN! You gonna deny THAT (AGAIN)?
jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2020, 08:13 AM
If not for Covid, and you know this is true, the economy would be on cruise control. And Covid would have been an economic problem no matter who the pres was, so you are not being honest.
talaniman
Nov 18, 2020, 09:14 AM
No you're not being honest because the job of the prez is to be ready for such emergencies, not just lie about it and ignore it. That's why he got fired! All talk and bluster ain't cutting it. People need help to weather the storm! 80Million people agreed with me!
jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2020, 09:20 AM
because the job of the prez is to be ready for such emergencies,So you really believe that Trump should have had a plan of treatment and a vaccine available for a disease that no one had ever heard of? OK. Got it. Now the dems in Congress have done nothing in those regards, and the fact that we will have a vaccine in a few more weeks, far ahead of anyone else in the world, is just ignored by you, but ask me if I'm surprised.
You really should be studied carefully for your pronounced case of TDS. I think it would be of great interest to psychologists.
talaniman
Nov 18, 2020, 09:32 AM
So you really believe that Trump should have had a plan of treatment and a vaccine available for a disease that no one had ever heard of? OK. Got it. Now the dems in Congress have done nothing in those regards, and the fact that we will have a vaccine in a few more weeks, far ahead of anyone else in the world, is just ignored by you, but ask me if I'm surprised.
You really should be studied carefully for your pronounced case of TDS. I think it would be of great interest to psychologists.
NO, that's not what I believe at all. I expected the dufus to help everybody through this crisis with FACTS, guidance, and support! He didn't do that! We will have a vaccine because our drug companies are the best in the world, and even still have a long way to go.
I suggest you look at your own blind support for a lying cheating dufus instead of falsely criticizing my opposition.
jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2020, 09:59 AM
NO, that's not what I believe at all. I expected the dufus to help everybody through this crisis with FACTS, guidance, and support!Well, that's not what you said. You said, "because the job of the prez is to be ready for such emergencies." We will have a vaccine because Trump, rightly, made a big deal of fast tracking its development. I would agree that Trump downplayed the virus initially, and that was a mistake. The facts were out there for anyone who cared to see them. Many of us are not joined at the hip with a pres in the fashion that you seem to be. I don't count on the feds to take care of me. They are just a necessary nuisance as far as I'm concerned, so if the pres doesn't pat me on the back and try and make me feel better, it doesn't impact me the same way it does you.
I am not a Trump supporter nearly as much as I am a Harris/Biden/socialism/big gov/big spender/welfare state/easy abortion/legislative SCOTUS/Antifa/violent "protests" opponent. I am much more tuned to policies than to personalities. That is, I think, the primary place you and I differ.
paraclete
Nov 18, 2020, 05:54 PM
so you are not for something you are against something, negative attitude explains much. If Trump had won your attitude would have been positive since you would have been for the lying, bragging, big spending, wall building, revisionist, cheating, dullard Dump
jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2020, 05:56 PM
Now you’re catching on! It’s all about policies and not personalities.
talaniman
Nov 18, 2020, 08:21 PM
60 days and this sham will be over and sycophants and perpetrators will be purged. Ol'Joe has a huge job ahead, and getting huger everyday.
jlisenbe
Nov 18, 2020, 08:40 PM
Ole Kamala is more like it. They'll do OK as long as they can keep spending all that non-money. When that runs out, then pity help them.
paraclete
Nov 18, 2020, 09:12 PM
60 days and this sham will be over and sycophants and perpetrators will be purged. Ol'Joe has a huge job ahead, and getting huger everyday.
The "sham" has been uncovered in Georgia, votes manufactured with a machine, so it now depends on whether judges are honest enough to set aside such votes. Biden's victory is a sham and will be exposed
talaniman
Nov 19, 2020, 04:57 AM
Hello Clete. Let us know when you return from Loonyville. Don't forget the souvenirs.
paraclete
Nov 19, 2020, 01:18 PM
Hello Clete. Let us know when you return from Loonyville. Don't forget the souvenirs.
I haven't been to the US in forty years tal and a visit now isn't worth the risk and lock up on my return, the only souvenirs you are giving out today I don't want