Since the Woodward book revealed Trump's true position on COVID-19 from January and possibly earlier when he knew how serious the virus is and did nothing to prevent its devastation among Americans, he is now being accused of negligent homicide by leading scientists. The estimated number of dead is 100,000-160,000 as negligent but historians are likely to add to that as Trump continues to do nothing to manage the virus, letting it run amok throughout the country.

More evidence surfaces daily - witness Trump's indoor, maskless rally in Nevada on Sunday.

Trump's mental instability is clearly described in a new documentary "UNFIT" available everywhere. It is the considered conclusion about his mental state by over 100 psychiatrists/psychologists. Unique in American history, it is a chilling description of a man lacking in almost every admirable character trait.

The next mystery is why so many representing his core are still supporting him. The best explanation is that the Trump following has become a cult of personality. Not unheard of historically, it is a mindless semi-adoration of the person who feeds a defined part of the masses what they need.

The third aspect of Trumpism is the Republican senators. Their collusion has been very obvious from the beginning - their motivation is nothing more than keeping a well-paying job of influence. By putting self ahead of country, these senators will likely pay the price come November.

he is now being accused of negligent homicide by leading scientists.Can you name one? Note: Liberal journalists are not "leading scientists".

As to the silly documentary, I imagine those same 100 "experts" would tell us that a man can compete in women's athletics as long as he really believes he is a woman.

The right dismisses the ever growing evidence of the dufus incompetence and irresponsibility over the handling of this GLOBAL pandemic, but don't panic, he has everything under control and he alone can fix it. Sign your no liability over getting sick and wear a mask if you are a punk at his rallies, and give him 4 more years or else the lefties will destroy the world.

He gets tested and everyone around him REGULARLY, but you don't need no stinking test you wimpy left wing crybaby! Now get your arses back to work, and school...nothing to see here, the virus only affects lefty democrats and who needs them?

And again. Can you name one? Note: Liberal journalists are not "leading scientists".


The right dismisses the ever growing evidence of the dufus incompetence and irresponsibility over the handling of this GLOBAL pandemic, So now the pres is supposed to handle a GLOBAL pandemic? Oh well. If you want to talk about "ever growing evidence", then at some point you have to produce some. The Atlantic article has now been trashed. Woodward's book is falling apart. What evidence do you know of?

Dude, you only need evidence in a court of law, not the court of public opinion! Even the dufus knows that which is why he can lie his a$$ off! He is rather good at it.

Did I just compliment this orange arse? 8O

As I thought. The real interest is in rumors and not in truth. You do need evidence if you expect people to respect your views.

Dude, you only need evidence in a court of law, not the court of public opinion! Even the dufus knows that which is why he can lie his a$$ off!

Tal, good point. In this case, the court of public opinion, as shown by scientists and journalists reporting the facts, is overwhelmingly showing how untruthful Trump has been and continues to be.

Woodward has shown the world Trump's own words recorded for all to listen to, and how they reveal just how much of a liar Trump is and, more importantly, how he has caused so many deaths with his inaction re the virus.

Jeffery Goldberg's Atlantic essay has shown the world the real Trump and how he really feels about the United States military and naval forces when he characterizes them as "losers" and "suckers". These men and woman stand guard night and day at home and abroad - something draft dodger Trump would not do.

Thank God for the court of public opinion.

As I thought. The real interest is in rumors and not in truth. You do need evidence if you expect people to respect your views.
At least three of the medical professionals are listed in this article that also lists some of Trump's probable pathologies.

https://meaww.com/unfit-the-psychology-of-donald-trump-malignant-narcissism-psychologists

"...he is now being accused of negligent homicide by leading scientists."You must learn to read more carefully. I was asking if any of those "leading scientists" who were supposedly claiming that Trump was guilty of homicide were named. You are making reference to the "Unfit" documentary. That's a different subject. I have no doubt you can find 100 mental health professionals to back up practically any crazy claim a person might care to make.

You must learn to read more carefully. I was asking if any of those "leading scientists" who were supposedly claiming that Trump was guilty of homicide were named. You are making reference to the "Unfit" documentary. That's a different subject. I have no doubt you can find 100 mental health professionals to back up practically any crazy claim a person might care to make.
Okay then. I'm a mental health professional. I say he's certifiable and should be hospitalized.

Like I said. "I have no doubt you can find 100 mental health professionals to back up practically any crazy claim a person might care to make."

If the words of the dufus aren't enough evidence for you that he intentionally deceived the nation on the dangers of this virus for months, then how do you explain he said it would disappear by spring as it ravaged through the nation? That's lying and he knew he wasn't DOWNPLAYING anything. He obviously thinks some are dumb enough to believe his lies since they have been and will vote for him AGAIN.

I hope they catch that homicidal maniac criminal that ambushed those cops in their car in Compton.

In the same interview Trump said he did that so as not to cause a panic. I’m sure you accept that since you accept the other parts.

Agree with you about the two cops.

In the same interview Trump said he did that so as not to cause a panic.
That's a good example of gaslighting. Like when my mother-in-law (the queen of gaslighters) was feeding my two kids lunch at her house. My younger son: "Grandma, this milk is sour." Grandma: "No, it's not. It's real sweet. Drink it." I took a taste. Sour. She didn't want to cause a panic/uproar/tears and, if she admitted the milk was sour, would have to dump out the sour milk and figure out what her grandsons could drink instead.

The American public: "More and more people are getting sick with covid and too many are dying. Trump, the king of gaslighters: "There's nothing to worry about! The pandemic is almost over! We don't have to social distance and wear masks after all. There'll be a vaccine by late October!"

Yeah. That makes a lot of sense. Sour milk. I think a story about sour grapes would have been more appropriate.

That's a good example of gaslighting. Like when my mother-in-law (the queen of gaslighters) was feeding my two kids lunch at her house. My younger son: "Grandma, this milk is sour." Grandma: "No, it's not. It's real sweet. Drink it." I took a taste. Sour. She didn't want to cause a panic/uproar/tears and, if she admitted the milk was sour, would have to dump out the sour milk and figure out what her grandsons could drink instead.

The American public: "More and more people are getting sick with covid and too many are dying. Trump, the king of gaslighters: "There's nothing to worry about! The pandemic is almost over! We don't have to social distance and wear masks after all. There'll be a vaccine by late October!"


Excellent, WG! Perfect example. Your mother-in-law was a Republican?

The American public: "More and more people are getting sick with covid and too many are dying. Trump, the king of gaslighters: "There's nothing to worry about! The pandemic is almost over! We don't have to social distance and wear masks after all. There'll be a vaccine by late October!"

What is this concern that people are dying, is it that the funeral homes are full? is it that the hospital morgues are full? people die all the time, right now they die for a different reason but the overall death rate is no higher. Some say Trump was wrong for playing down the issue, but he had many such as Faucci who would do otherwise



YEAR
DEATH RATE
GROWTH RATE


2020
8.880
1.120%


2019
8.782
1.120%


2018
8.685
1.220%


2017
8.580
1.240%

Of course death is a hard time in anyone's life, but since covid, they die in a hospital isolated from love ones, and who is use to bodies piling up and delayed grief? Of course the dufus lying, and deceiving because he doesn't want us to panic adds to that very emotional and visceral reaction during an election year.

I mean the steady drone of how well he is handling things greatly belies the fact we have more sickness and death than practically anyone in the world and the devastating economic and social fallout just magnifies a lot of bad taste in peoples mouth and mind so yeah, it's a big friggin' deal to a lot of people for a lot of reasons.

Easy for you to dismiss it, since your fires are out, and business handled, but ours is not and I do remember your own reaction when YOUR fires were burning hot and YOUR business wasn't handled so where's the empathy and understanding?

who is use to bodies piling upWhere is that happening?

Where ever there are a lot of deaths from the virus or any other source.

As is often the case, you have no idea. So we can't name a single scientist who accuses Trump of "negligent homicide". The Atlantic article is long since dead. Woodward's book was a flash in the pan. Bodies are piling up...nowhere that you know of. If you wish for Trump to not be deceitful, perhaps you should show him what honesty looks like. That has certainly not been the case.

The Atlantic article is long since dead. Woodward's book was a flash in the pan. and no one even knows that Peter Strzok' book came out this week . (no it isn't pillow talk emails with Lisa Page . )

https://www.amazon.com/Untitled-Houghton-Mifflin-Harcourt/dp/0358237068

Forget them guys, Michael Caputo is the LOON to watch!

who is digging him up ? Really going after a communications director ? Why does HHS need one anyway ? He's had various roles in the Trump world dating back to NYC days . They dragged him through the mud with false allegations and implications during the collusion hoax. So I believe him when he says that it has affected his health .

who is digging him up ? Really going after a communications director ? Why does HHS need one anyway ? He's had various roles in the Trump world dating back to NYC days . They dragged him through the mud with false allegations and implications during the collusion hoax. So I believe him when he says that it has affected his health .

Caputo is the icing on the cake after the Woodward virus revelations and the Goldberg military revelations - a one-two-three punch that has Trump staggering. His answer to the most devastating fires in California history? "Don't worry, It will be cool soon." Remember climate change is a Chinese hoax? Inject disinfectant into the bloodstream? NATO is obsolete?

Caputo is right in line with the most bizarre utterings of goofy Trump.

Caputo is healthy enough to do the dufus bidding at HHS and the CDC to downplay the virus. He's healthy enough to do some crazy out there interviews with Alex Jones. Don't worry Tom if you missed him at his most loony, I imagine campaign commercials are being made and I hope the guy with the butterfly net have been called.

While that happens check out the other dufus butt boy Roger Stone staying in the public eye with his own brand of dufus devious insanity. They both should be locked up for public safety.

The only thing you have that appears to be sticking somewhat is that senior support for Trump has eroded due to C-19. So of course that is what Quid's campaign is honing on. That may have an affect .But they tend to be law and order people ;and the Dems solid support for the ' peaceful protesters ' will ultimately keep them in Trump's camp. Seniors are going to remember 2 Sheriffs getting capped in the face in an ambush . Then when they were rushed to the hospital the ambulance was greeted by peaceful BLM protesters chanting 'We hope you die ' while blocking the entrance to the ER . None of them are going to remember Caputo .

Yep. Those peaceful protestors are a sight to see.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQSPM5SHzdU&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR2J0iR6Du5EoNhiAOQCYTbu5MqEneyfnHIxmFpPZ qh_jTTCxKrCS6BmTCY

The only thing you have that appears to be sticking somewhat is that senior support for Trump has eroded due to C-19. So of course that is what Quid's campaign is honing on. That may have an affect .But they tend to be law and order people ;and the Dems solid support for the ' peaceful protesters ' will ultimately keep them in Trump's camp. Seniors are going to remember 2 Sheriffs getting capped in the face in an ambush . Then when they were rushed to the hospital the ambulance was greeted by peaceful BLM protesters chanting 'We hope you die ' while blocking the entrance to the ER . None of them are going to remember Caputo .

Interesting you identify the mob at the hospital as peaceful BLM protestors. Maybe you have info that I don't? Everybody else is saying they were an anti police protestors. Not surprising conservatives are still pushing the BLM'ers are the same as criminals who do bad stuff.


Yep. Those peaceful protestors are a sight to see.

More inaccurate conservative spin?

"The attack came hours after hundreds of Black Lives Matter demonstrators gathered again to protest the death of Dijon Kizzee, who was shot by police in an altercation on August 31.
After the two deputies were shot on Saturday night, protesters gathered outside the Los Angeles hospital where they were undergoing surgery, with some chanting “we hope they die”, according to police."

Well, perhaps we can put 2 plus 2 together and get 4?

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/protesters-outside-hospital-chant-we-hope-they-die-after-two-la-cops-ambushed-and-shot-in-the-head/news-story/9a086736b1029af15d20dc40d1c69e2b


More inaccurate conservative spin?Yeah. All those building and cars burned up by accident. Are you blind?

So where in your own link does it tie BLM into the cops being shot, or the mob at the hospital? Oh wait, that's YOU and TOM making that connection with your conservative fuzzy math.

Just like you try to make BLM rioters looters and arsonists. Just can't accept they are two different groups with different agendas.

Nice try though.

So where in your own link does it tie BLM into the cops being shot, or the mob at the hospital? Oh wait, that's YOU and TOM making that connection with your conservative fuzzy math.There was a BLM protest earlier in the day. Now if we think a little, we can come up with the likely source of protestors later in the day at the hospital.

I did not suggest BLM was involved in the shooting.



Just like you try to make BLM rioters looters and arsonists. Just can't accept they are two different groups with different agendas.

Nice try though.Remember the birthplace of BLM? Remember the riots in that place named Ferguson, and all for, as it turned out, a false narrative? Remember? Intentional blindness at some point becomes absurd. I don't even know what your point is. Are you really trying to suggest that BLM is completely composed of nice, peaceful folks? Really??

There was a BLM protest earlier in the day. Now if we think a little, we can come up with the likely source of protestors later in the day at the hospital.

Or if we think a bit more they may have been those trouble makers that follow BLM around. That would require you to not assume peaceful protestors and criminals are not the same.


I did not suggest BLM was involved in the shooting.

And no one has connected BLM with this mob at the hospital either, and by all accounts it was a rather small group.


Remember the birthplace of BLM? Remember the riots in that place named Ferguson, and all for, as it turned out, a false narrative? Remember? Intentional blindness at some point becomes absurd. I don't even know what your point is. Are you really trying to suggest that BLM is completely composed of nice, peaceful folks? Really??

They ain't Antifa either, or a bunch of criminals like you conservatives paint them to be or just loud black people as this years marches have clearly shown. There are 30 chapters globally, but then the same antics and tactics were used against MLK, and the NAACP back in the day.

Some things haven't changed all that much I guess.

This is from their website.


Enraged by the death of Trayvon Martin and the subsequent acquittal of his killer, George Zimmerman, and inspired by the 31-day takeover of the Florida State Capitol by POWER U and the Dream Defenders, we took to the streets. A year later, we set out together on the Black Lives Matter Freedom Ride to Ferguson, in search of justice for Mike Brown and all of those who have been torn apart by state-sanctioned violence and anti-Black racismEven now they cannot admit that the whole narrative about MB turned out to be a lie. They affirm that Ferguson was basically the start of BLM, so they started on a lie, and they rioted on the week of their birth.

It is possible to support black Americans and yet not associate with BLM. I know it is because I do it.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Again conflating BLM and criminals is your goal where there is nowhere in your links that promotes violence or rioting. I contend that criminals use protest as cover for their activity just like terrorist use civilians for hostages and cover.

Yeah. I'm sure they are all a bunch of nice guys. The deal at Ferguson was just a mirage.

at least you are sure about something

No mirage just an excellent example of exploitation over the years that only needed a spark to explode. It's reopened under new management, but sadly it took a dead body lying in the streets for hours to wake it up.

"Beware of Greeks bearing gifts" or racists claiming to support African-Americans.

No mirage just an excellent example of exploitation over the years that only needed a spark to explode. It's reopened under new management, but sadly it took a dead body lying in the streets for hours to wake it up.It started with riots driven by the lies about Micheal Brown's death, but that doesn't concern you. Too bad. In the meantime, hundreds have been murdered, some of them children under 10, in dem controlled Chicago so far this year, an increase of more than 50% over the same period from last year, but that doesn't concern you either. You are not "traumatized" about that. So as it turns out, it's just a politically driven narrative. It actually has nothing to do with black lives at all. It has nothing to do with supporting black Americans.

No the riots started when Brown died and laid in the street for hours.

No, the riots started when the whole "hands up, don't shoot" false narrative started going around as a result of liberal dems trying to make political hay off of the death of a young man.

Yes it was found to be a false narrative but subsequent investigations also revealed a long standing climate of racial subjugation, oppression and down right wrong doing by Ferguson cops and the courts. The conditions were ripe for it to blow up.

https://www.thoughtco.com/ferguson-riots-history-and-impact-4779964


On March 4, 2015, the DOJ announced that while it would not prosecute Wilson, it had found evidence of racial bias in how Ferguson area police and courts treated black people. In its scathing 105-page report, the DOJ found that the Ferguson Police Department had shown a pattern of discrimination against the black community by profiling, or applying racial stereotypes (https://www.thoughtco.com/dismantling-race-based-stereotypes-and-myths-2834983), in a “pattern or practice of unlawful conduct.”

“Our investigation showed that Ferguson police officers routinely violate the Fourth Amendment (https://www.thoughtco.com/the-fourth-amendment-721515) in stopping people without reasonable suspicion, arresting them without probable cause, and using unreasonable force against them,” said Attorney General Eric Holder.


This has been a recurring pattern in many riots for decades. Nobody wants bad cops running roughshod through their neighborhood, often aided and abetted by local officials why do YOU? No good comes from those kinds of abuse of power and injustice.

If the Ferguson cops need to be corrected, then so be it, but in your mind that seems to justify rioting and burning. I can't go along with that. In Ferguson, where the city is about 2/3 black, it is hard to understand why a majority black pop would put up with being discriminated against. Wouldn't it have been a simple thing to elect people who would make sure change took place? Wouldn't that have been a lot better than this "blow up" you seem to justify? Perhaps I am misreading your thoughts, but it does seem that way.

As many times as I have condemned the behavior of criminals and explained the difference between them and protestors you still think I justify riots? You should know better. I guess though not seeing such subtle distinctions is why you cannot separate cops with bad behavior from good cops that do serve and protect.

My take on Ferguson and many places like it is a lack of participation in local elections by it's minority population, but after the MB killing that has changed for the better. Progress in these black parts of town is slow and sadly a wake up call often is tragic. I have often written about the obstacles in the form of voter suppression tactics widely practiced by those to get and keep power.

Can't blame an old geezer like you from forgetting it as much as you and I have gone back and forth. 8D