In a major step toward a dictatorship, Trump today tweeted that the presidential election should be delayed. His public reasoning is that mail-in voting is fraudulent. He says this without a scintilla of evidence. His real reason is that he is so far behind in the polls that his chances of re-election are close to zero.

Even his true-blue sycophants, McConnell and Graham, are aghast at Trump's idea.

Watch for even more drastic measures from the mouth of this evil man in the days leading up to November 3.

And his next move is to make the presidency for life, oh, can you imagine it, a life without Trump? he is just trying to keep up with his friend Vlad

This dufus will lie cheat and steal anything, so an election is just another thing to steal. We already know he will say anything to change the conversation, so crazy talk to keep from discussing the disastrous economic news is just par for the course. Yes he is desperate, since being booted from office means he could go to jail, so nothing he says or does should be a surprise, because he has always done this crap. The thing about his crazy talk though is he, and a few actually believe it, and may indeed act on it.

That's when the fun starts.

That's when the fun starts.

You have a strange idea of fun. I hold grave fears for the future of your country

You have a strange idea of fun. I hold grave fears for the future of your country
I watched today's news briefing. Trump was very subdued, not his usual fast-talking huckster self. He mentioned Herman Cain but not his cause of death or that he had been maskless at the Tulsa campaign gathering. It was a very different Trump today.

The new Postmaster General is a multi-millionaire major donor to Trump who was appointed barely a month ago. So far, under the guise of cutting costs, he is implementing postal-wide rollbacks designed to slow down mail delivery to affect the November election - part of Trump's overall plan to slow down service.

While it is true that Trump's plan to delay the election will never be carried out, he has effectively diverted attention from the disastrous US GDP dropping 32.7% for the 2ndQ which is the worst drop in US history.

Trump's failure to effectively manage the Covid crisis is a major factor in the GDP drop. Trump doesn't want that fact discussed. He continues to tell outrageous lies at his daily pressers regarding both the economy and the virus. Right-wing media (FOX-News) shamelessly passes on the lies and fabrications of Trump.

Yes a fall in GDP is serious, but the US has an unlimited ability to recover once CV19 is under control. Efforts should be devoted to beating the virus not shoring up the economy for the sake of appearances. While the election may be on Trump's mind, now is the time to make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the country and make the next three months a milestone

You have a strange idea of fun. I hold grave fears for the future of your country

Relax Clete, just because the dufus is ranting and raving to keep the news of 3 former presidents were invited, and he was NOT, to deliver eulogies for a fallen hero and the economy is contracting massively, like everybody's will or is, doesn't mean we won't rise to the challenge somehow. Under this management maybe not so fast or easily, but the fun is watching the dufus flail about and flap desperately for attention.

Yes he does look like a flounder out of water

I watched today's news briefing. Trump was very subdued, not his usual fast-talking huckster self. He mentioned Herman Cain but not his cause of death or that he had been maskless at the Tulsa campaign gathering. It was a very different Trump today.

He didn't mention Louie Gomertt testing positive either.


The new Postmaster General is a multi-millionaire major donor to Trump who was appointed barely a month ago. So far, under the guise of cutting costs, he is implementing postal-wide rollbacks designed to slow down mail delivery to affect the November election - part of Trump's overall plan to slow down service.

While it is true that Trump's plan to delay the election will never be carried out, he has effectively diverted attention from the disastrous US GDP dropping 32.7% for the 2ndQ which is the worst drop in US history.

Trump's failure to effectively manage the Covid crisis is a major factor in the GDP drop. Trump doesn't want that fact discussed. He continues to tell outrageous lies at his daily pressers regarding both the economy and the virus. Right-wing media (FOX-News) shamelessly passes on the lies and fabrications of Trump.

I told you he was a dufus and with Moscow Mitch and the senate stooges squabbling over how to screw the American people out of a few needed bucks we are in limbo. The House has already acted and sent a bill to the senate months ago.

He's just messin . He knows the fools on the Dem side have been parroting this line that he wants to delay the election or will refuse to accept the outcome So he just feeds their paranoia to watch their heads explode . Amazing thing . The Dems who did not accept the outcome of the 2016 election are now accusing him of something they tried ...... to steal an election . lolololol The date of the election is set by Congress . There is zero chance to get the date changed and yet ya'll fell for it

He's just messin . He knows the fools on the Dem side have been parroting this line that he wants to delay the election or will refuse to accept the outcome So he just feeds their paranoia to watch their heads explode . Amazing thing . The Dems who did not accept the outcome of the 2016 election are now accusing him of something they tried ...... to steal an election . lolololol The date of the election is set by Congress . There is zero chance to get the date changed and yet ya'll fell for it
Nope. He wants to be President for Life, like Li'l Kim in NK.

He's just messin . He knows the fools on the Dem side have been parroting this line that he wants to delay the election or will refuse to accept the outcome So he just feeds their paranoia to watch their heads explode . Amazing thing . The Dems who did not accept the outcome of the 2016 election are now accusing him of something they tried ...... to steal an election . lolololol The date of the election is set by Congress . There is zero chance to get the date changed and yet ya'll fell for it

I agree the dufus is just quacking for attention and reactions, but is that an appropriate response during the most serious of times Tom? I mean he could be pushing Mitch and the senate stooges to address the unemployment benefits set to expire at midnight, instead of letting them run like roaches home without NOTHING being done after MONTHS.


Nope. He wants to be President for Life, like Li'l Kim in NK.

He would if he could, but he ain't since, he can't! Of course he knows that and and is desperate to just get 4 more years after the disaster of the last 4 years.

Everybody except most repubs know that too.

You haven't figured this out yet ? This is his reality show persona . When all the over reaction is over ,he has raised a real problem. NY and Pennsylvania proved that this emphasis on mail in balloting is going to be a disaster .
As far as the unemployment benefits go ;the level of $ became a serious disincentive to return to work . The Feds if they are extending them at all should reduce the amount .
If lib states wants to pay more ,take it out of state revenues .

You haven't figured this out yet ? This is his reality show persona . When all the over reaction is over ,he has raised a real problem. NY and Pennsylvania proved that this emphasis on mail in balloting is going to be a disaster .
As far as the unemployment benefits go ;the level of $ became a serious disincentive to return to work . The Feds if they are extending them at all should reduce the amount .
If lib states wants to pay more ,take it out of state revenues .

The dufus show needs to be canceled, and the disincentive to work is the virus, and until that is effectively addressed, main street needs a bailout, since the current batch of unemployed has no job to go back to, nor prospects for another job. Amazing how repubs ignore that fact. All states are strapped with corona virus expenses, including USPS, and amazing how repubs ignore that too!

so why won't the Dems negotiate on the issue like the Republican requested ? I can tell you that there are many jobs available here and people are not applying for them because of the freebee .

so why won't the Dems negotiate on the issue like the Republican requested ? I can tell you that there are many jobs available here and people are not applying for them because of the freebee .
Jobs for what, e.g.?

so why won't the Dems negotiate on the issue like the Republican requested ? I can tell you that there are many jobs available here and people are not applying for them because of the freebee .

There's nothing to negotiate Tom, the house passed a bill, repubs have NADA. Wonder what all those jobs are nobody wants? Wonder if they are safe or are people afraid of getting sick and dying? Or like many jobs that will be available, will people be QUALIFIED for them?

Wonder what all those jobs are nobody wants? Wonder if they are safe or are people afraid of getting sick and dying? Our tin pot dictators in the North East brag about how they flattened the curve and in fact the curve in on a downward path .

So yes many of the jobs that workers had before furlough are available . I'm hiring and so are others in the manufacturing areas . Retail is also hiring for the annual holiday push and with Main street opening up . 740,000 jobs in June and 372,000 in May Restaurants that were closed are hiring , 2.1 million jobs in leisure last month .
Overall there were gains of 4.8 million jobs in June, the most in records back to 1939

Problem is that the combined Fed gimme and the standard state unemployment benefit comes close to what their take home would be for going back to work. In many cases the Fed gimme alone was as much as their take home pay. So why would they go back when the Feds are giving them an incentive to not work ?

As for them being afraid to go back to work well boooooohooooo ! Imagine truckers saying they won't pick up and deliver because they are afraid . Imagine healthcare workers refusing to treat patients because they are afraid . My whole manufacturing crew has worked throughout the pandemic . Some of them don't make much more than the combined unemployment freebee .

Sorry I don't have sympathy for people who's excuse to not go back to work is they are afraid....and that includes those cry babies in the teacher's unions . I think if there is a job available and they opt out then they should be compelled to forfeit any claim to the benefit .

Sorry I don't have sympathy for people who's excuse to not go back to work is they are afraid....and that includes those cry babies in the teacher's unions . I think if there is a job available and they opt out then they should be compelled to forfeit any claim to the benefit .
They don't want to be in heaven with Herman Cain.

Like I said .There are thousands of people who's jobs were deemed essential who were not given the choice. I'm sure the clerk in your grocery story has some fears too. You think truckers want to drive in and out of hot spots ? They never stopped . Imagine if they had . You think that shortage of toilet paper was a problem ?

Like I said .There are thousands of people who's jobs were deemed essential who were not given the choice. I'm sure the clerk in your grocery story has some fears too. You think truckers want to drive in and out of hot spots ? They never stopped . Imagine if they had . You think that shortage of toilet paper was a problem ?
Grocery stores clerks are masked, have plastic shields at the cash register, maintain social distancing. Truck drivers usually drive alone and wear masks when they deliver merchandise. School teachers will wear masks? Students will wear masks? All will social distance? I used to teach school. I see problems ahead.

the dosage that is needed now isn't HQ, it is common sense. Everyone wants it to be over, in the me society you can't have too long away from the indulgence


You think that shortage of toilet paper was a problem

shelves in retailers are becoming bare as stocks of items produced in low cost countries run low, the first wave was toilet paper, the next wave is everything. Ask yourself, how does the economy recover when there is nothing to buy and sell?

Like I said .There are thousands of people who's jobs were deemed essential who were not given the choice. I'm sure the clerk in your grocery story has some fears too. You think truckers want to drive in and out of hot spots ? They never stopped . Imagine if they had . You think that shortage of toilet paper was a problem ?

Essentials aside (at least the ones that survive and haven't been worked to death), let's talk about all those non essential jobs of which you speak. Local reporting of the phase IV reopening portends possible spikes in NY's future as it's fallen behind 3 other states catching hell right now, so I would give all those new jobs some time before you berate the slow job seekers from responding...if they are indeed qualified for them in the first place. Good job so far weathering the wave though, so far.

Essentials aside (at least the ones that survive and haven't been worked to death), let's talk about all those non essential jobs of which you speak. Local reporting of the phase IV reopening portends possible spikes in NY's future as it's fallen behind 3 other states catching hell right now, so I would give all those new jobs some time before you berate the slow job seekers from responding...if they are indeed qualified for them in the first place. Good job so far weathering the wave though, so far.

Tal to survive you have to be riding the wave, just floating about doesn't mean survival. If we have learned anything from this is that limited reopening, staged according to community transmission is the way to go

Nope. He wants to be President for Life, like Li'l Kim in NK.

I agree with WG - Trump dips his toe in the water to see what is possible. He never just is "messin'" with Dems. Even his nutty election delay is not a mere distraction - he's testing the waters. His comments on mail delivery are meant to confound and confuse. Undermining the US Postal Service is an action he took about a month ago designed to cast doubt on that agency's capability.

Never underestimate the ability of this con-man thug to be as dangerous as a snake hiding under a rock waiting to strike.

Tal to survive you have to be riding the wave, just floating about doesn't mean survival. If we have learned anything from this is that limited reopening, staged according to community transmission is the way to go

We know that too Clete, but the dufus and his stooges ignore science and common sense. However, I think we all will have to be ready to slow down and stall reopening as a spike is surely expected.

What can you expect from a super EGO?

What can you expect from a super EGO?

A lying cheating bully with a super ego, and a "friend" named Vlad.

A lying cheating bully with a super ego, and a "friend" named Vlad.

What nicer gift to a friend named Vlad than withdrawing troops from Germany weakening NATO, friend Vlad's enemy?

Does anyone still doubt that Russia helped Trump in the 2016 election and is continuing that help in the 2020 election?

Wild theory, athos, we will add that one to the birth certificate shall we. Anything Vlad could do is unlikely to affect the outcome, and moving troops to Poland isn't weakening NATO, just putting Germany in its place and Vlad on notice

It's not the troop movements Clete, so much as the dufus framing the rhetoric toward our allies that is offensive. Those are the seeds that Vlad loves to see, and totally unnecessary, but another badmouth and misogynous bully tactic from the dufus.

Wild theory, athos, we will add that one to the birth certificate shall we. Anything Vlad could do is unlikely to affect the outcome, and moving troops to Poland isn't weakening NATO, just putting Germany in its place and Vlad on notice

Poland? Half of the troops are being relocated to the US (probably to various golf clubs Trump owns so he can get the revenue) and the other half are going to Italy and Belgium, hardly a greater deterrent to Russia than Germany. Esper claims the move will strengthen NATO - nonsense!

Against that Esper explanation is Trump's entirely different reason for the move. Namely; that Germany isn't paying its bill. But Italy and Belgium are in far greater arrears than Germany which has paid more than any other European country and has increased its payments recently by 10% - greater than any other member.

Trump is also moving a NATO headquarters out of Stuttgart to another country - another gift to Vlad. When Trump and his own defense department can't agree on the reason for the move, obviously the true reasons for the move are being concealed.

Putin's interference in US politics supporting Trump is paying off.

Finally, deaths from Covid-19 continue to set records in several states while Trump fiddles.

Have you considered that it is time to put soviet era ideas in the waste bin of history

Have you considered that it is time to put soviet era ideas in the waste bin of history

Not as long as soviet-era dictator like Putin remains in power who plays Trump like a puppet on a string.

Haven't you learned it is just the billionaires club in play

Haven't you learned it is just the billionaires club in play

That makes no difference to the millions who are affected. Here's a list.

Virus sickness and death soaring due to Trump's inaction.
Economy crashing and Trump refuses to do the right thing to save it by putting health ahead of profits and his re-election.
Delay/cancel presidential election.
Promote Trump presidency for life.
Prohibit the press from covering the GOP convention. (!)
Disarm NATO by removing troops from an ally.
Deny Americans getting a $600/week extension of benefits to keep them afloat.
Force children to go to school endangering themselves, their teachers, and their families.
Remove nutritious meals from those children who disobey.

Hell, and that's only ONE WEEK!

Not all of that is Trump, he is just the minion for the thoughts of others

Not all of that is Trump, he is just the minion for the thoughts of others

Now, who's missing the reality?

Times change, things change, and the reality of the moment changes. The Russians are paranoid, the Americans are paranoid, the Chinese are paranoid, and where does this paranoia lead? Confrontationalism? Trump has backed a little of it off in one theatre and done more of it in another. Maybe he believes that all Europeans should be aligned against the eastern threat?

School teachers will wear masks? Students will wear masks? All will social distance? I used to teach school. I see problems ahead.
welcome to the new reality . What makes teachers so special besides their unions . I used to hear that teaching was the most essential profession . Now they rank below grocery clerks and factory workers ?


. Ask yourself, how does the economy recover when there is nothing to buy and sell? exactly But we will all be 'safe' in our hermetically sealed bubbles .


I agree with WG - Trump dips his toe in the water to see what is possible. He never just is "messin'" with Dems. Under which law would he delay the election ? Election dates are set by Congress. What do you think he will do ; hide underneath the Resolute Desk ? If he loses the election he is gone. But he loves feeding all your paranoia .


What nicer gift to a friend named Vlad than withdrawing troops from Germany why continue defending German beer halls ? If NATO troops are needed then they are needed in Poland and the Baltic States . You want to talk about cozy relations with Putin you should look at Merkel's .


Anything Vlad could do is unlikely to affect the outcome, and moving troops to Poland isn't weakening NATO, just putting Germany in its place and Vlad on notice Thank you . At least you get strategic thinking .

It's not the troop movements Clete, so much as the dufus framing the rhetoric toward our allies that is offensive. Why do we need to stroke them ? He called them out for not contributing their share. Germany hasn't come close to reaching their 2% commitment . So let them defend the Hofbrauhaus themselves .




Have you considered that it is time to put soviet era ideas in the waste bin of history


We do have a common interest in defeating jihadistan and containing the rise of a belligerent China. When China looks for lebensraum and resources they have been importing ,then Siberia has to look tempting .

Under which law would he delay the election ? Election dates are set by Congress. What do you think he will do ;

Law means nothing to Trump. With the backing of Barr and the Repub senate, Trump could cause plenty of confusion.


If he loses the election he is gone.

In a normal world, yes. We're not living in a normal world.


But he loves feeding all your paranoia.

To what purpose? Why are you supporting Trump. I thought you didn't like him.


If NATO troops are needed then they are needed in Poland and the Baltic States

They are being relocated to the US, Italy, and Belgium.

Germany hasn't come close to reaching their 2% commitment .

It has paid more than any other European country and has recently increased its payments by 10%. In any case, it's far ahead of Italy and Belgium where the troops are headed.


We do have a common interest in defeating jihadistan and containing the rise of a belligerent China. When China looks for lebensraum and resources they have been importing ,then Siberia has to look tempting .

Not a chance.

welcome to the new reality . What makes teachers so special besides their unions . I used to hear that teaching was the most essential profession . Now they rank below grocery clerks and factory workers ?e
I was never in a union. So you'd now, with covid running loose, happily teach a classroom of thirty active, maybe coughing and sneezing (silly, it's just a cold!), third and fourth graders?

like I said ;welcome to the new reality
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Law means nothing to Trump. With the backing of Barr and the Repub senate, Trump could cause plenty of confusion. nope he would be escorted out of the Oval office. The only way he could hold onto power would be if the military backed his coup attempt . Amazing to me how much projection is in these irrational fears . The only case I see if people trying to overturn the results of an election were the Democrats for the last 4 years .


Why are you supporting Trump. I thought you didn't like him. What choice do I have ? Quid Pro Joe and his commie running mate ? I'm thinking of voting for Jo Jorgensen . But I am not thrilled with the Libertarian foreign policy .


They are being relocated to the US, Italy, and Belgium. Italy makes sense . We could've responded quicker to Benghazi if the emperor had even bothered to respond at all .

Besides we are also sending troops to Poland
https://taskandpurpose.com/news/us-permanent-troop-presence-poland

like I said ;welcome to the new reality
https://i.insider.com/5ec518fe3f7370388d34c745?width=1100&format=jpeg&auto=webp


Now show me a photo of third and fourth graders -- and the wiggly, active preschoolers I taught for three years. (We can't do quiet storytime the entire time they're in school. We line up for bathroom break and for recess, we do a lot of hands-on, moving-around activities. Hmm, tomder.)

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-student-tests-positive-for-covid-19-on-first-day-of-school/ar-BB17qJ24

Hope those newly opened schools can afford those covid related expenses. Do kids still go to school when their parents get the virus? Do parents still go to work when the kids get the virus?

Amazing to me how much projection is in these irrational fears .

Clearly, you haven't been paying attention to the news for the last three-and-a-half years.


What choice do I have

Your choice is the Dem candidate who will Make America Great Again! Not a tough choice.


We could've responded quicker to Benghazi if the emperor had even bothered to respond at all

You guys will just never drop Benghazi even though your own people exonerated Obama eight times. It's all you got, and it's pathetic.


Besides we are also sending troops to Poland

That's old news, tomder. It was from over a year ago and has been delayed because of payment for the troops. Tricky, aren't you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/indiana-student-tests-positive-for-covid-19-on-first-day-of-school/ar-BB17qJ24

Hope those newly opened schools can afford those covid related expenses. Do kids still go to school when their parents get the virus? Do parents still go to work when the kids get the virus?

When you isolate you isolate, otherwise you are likely to spread the virus

Just to get on the lighter side
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALGkQq3RJ7k

When you isolate you isolate, otherwise you are likely to spread the virus

Like that dictatorial draconian lock down imposed on Melbourne ?

20 countries have reopened their schools.Some others, including Taiwan, and Sweden, never closed their schools.
I already linked to a letter by American pediatrics urging schools to reopen . There is a similar one from Brit pediatrics .
https://www.rcpch.ac.uk/sites/default/files/2020-06/open_letter_re_schools_reopening_2020-06-17.pdf

The National Institute of Public Health and Environment in Netherlands also endorses reopening .
https://www.rivm.nl/en/novel-coronavirus-covid-19/children-and-covid-19


American Academy of Pediatrics has published sensible guidelines and urges the reopening of schools .
https://services.aap.org/en/pages/2019-novel-coronavirus-covid-19-infections/clinical-guidance/covid-19-planning-considerations-return-to-in-person-education-in-schools/

Austria reopened schools and after a short while stopped the mask requirements because officials observed little spread of the virus . Seems to be that the younger the child the less likely to either catch the disease or to be a spreader (to answer your question about "third and fourth graders -- and the wiggly, active preschoolers "
Data from France shows that when a student gets the virus ,they are bringing it from home and not contracting it from the school . Japan began reopening schools in June. Parents must take their children’s temperature every morning and provide a report to the schools. Finland reopened schools in May and have retained their standard class size, but have kept classes separated from each other and staggered reopening by age.They have found “ no evidence of school spread and no change in the rate of infection” for students under 16.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/schools-reopening-coronavirus/2020/07/10/865fb3e6-c122-11ea-8908-68a2b9eae9e0_story.html


The teacher's unions are not interested in the best interests of the students . I guarantee if the emperor were still President or if Evita had won they would be itching to get back to work .

Like that dictatorial draconian lock down imposed on Melbourne ?

That has been imposed because the message was being ignored, people behaving like nothing was happening

https://www.news.com.au/finance/business/retail/supermarket-worker-pleads-with-melburnians-to-stop-breaking-lockdown-rules/news-story/d66e2e04c77aacff9926a7f5294bf960

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/victoria-messenger-call-out-coronavirus-lockdown/12518200

https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/qld-records-no-new-covid19-cases-as-three-men-who-lied-on-border-pass-are-put-in-quarantine/news-story/801485a6d7a95b9416aaa813b3814364

the lock down rules are intolerable .I agree with distancing ,mask wearing ,and sanitizing . That is the protocol that works good enough . Forcibly quarantine those that break the rules . Why punish the people who comply ?

the lock down rules are intolerable .I agree with distancing ,mask wearing ,and sanitizing . That is the protocol that works good enough . Forcibly quarantine those that break the rules . Why punish the people who comply ?

these rules are not punishing the people who comply they would be taking these actions anyway, they are punishing those who don't comply by getting their attention and forcing them to demonstrate the required behaviour. You may not realise that a quarter of those quarantined as active cases were not complying. How do you identify them short of locking them up as the criminals they are

you live in a society where idiots are allowed to roam the streets with weapons, we do not and being an active cv19 case is no different, the virus kills just as effectively and 200 have lost their lives here so far, that is far more than have died from gun fire and surprisingly from seasonal flu. Contrast this with the experience in your nation, your "freedom" has brought you millions of infections and 150,000 dead, so yes, the lockdown is tolerable if the rules are followed

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-08-04/victoria-coronavirus-cases-deaths-rise-self-isolation-fines/12520954

Leave it to conservatives and dufusites to make a crucial safety measure during a global pandemic a punishment.

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/cb080320dapr.jpg?resize=807x807

USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well, and get rid of the dufus sycophant in charge, the election will be just as good.

Everything the dufus touches DIES! Look at the repub party, the dufus charities, or bankruptcies! Then there is that banking and insurance fraud investigations, and all the presidents men going to jail AND he is still an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case.

I rest my case!

USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well, very debatable ;and they are given weeks to deliver . Mail in ballots have a deadline .btw they are still counting the Dem primary ballots here in NY 5 weeks later, and there will probably be a recount, I rest my case .

USPS seems to handle Xmas pretty well, and get rid of the dufus sycophant in charge, the election will be just as good.

Everything the dufus touches DIES! Look at the repub party, the dufus charities, or bankruptcies! Then there is that banking and insurance fraud investigations, and all the presidents men going to jail AND he is still an unindicted co-conspirator in the Michael Cohen case.

I rest my case!
Too bad Trump didn't have drop-in ballot boxes installed.

"Yet one relatively inexpensive countermeasure has not yet been widely used to smooth polling place voting, at least not yet, due to a mix of administrative hurdles and partisan obstruction. That remedy is drop boxes—akin to mailboxes—that can safely and securely accept and hold hundreds to several thousand ballot envelopes."
https://www.laprogressive.com/ballot-drop-boxes/

Why Trump ? States run elections . "We do think that states should be deploying more of these,” Arbitrarily allowing them is unconstitutional State legislatures have to set up uniform rules on the use of drop boxes .Instead they set up different rules and policies across the state, creating a patchwork system that violates equal protection. In Pennsylvania local election officials made the call on a district by district basis. Still there were massive delays in the Penn. primary even though Biden ran unopposed . In some cases ballots were delivered in envelopes that were not provided by the state for secrecy for the purpose of keeping the ballots anonymous . Those were still counted .

2016 Trump won Penn by 1 % about 44,000 votes and that state was one of the pivotal states in his victory . I can see a number of states being too close to call where hand counting mail in ballots will decide it . The States have to decide on electors in December and Congress has to certify the results in early January . Good luck with that if there is a reliance on counting mail in ballots ,recounts ,and the inevitable court challenges .

Why Trump ?
Because he's our president. He calls the shots, doesn't he? He can urge governors to do this so voters can feel confident their votes will be correctly handled and counted.

Because he's our president. He calls the shots, doesn't he? He can urge governors to do this so voters can feel confident their votes will be correctly handled and counted.

No WG, he would rather whine about the fix is in like he did in 2016, rather than unite the country. Repubs are always whining about fraud. That's why they support a lying cheating stealing big mouth bully. They've already plotted to close polling places in urban communities, and purge the voting rolls at record levels, while still looking for those millions of illegals that voted for HC.

it is not Governor's call State legislatures decide how the vote is taken .Congress can also set the terms on how a state can conduct a Presidential election.

I don't have as much confidence in drop boxes as you have . They are not monitored and are not secure ,especially in states where they are kept outdoors .

But that is still not the biggest issue with voting outside of the designated polling places where poll watchers at least monitor the election. Ballot harvesting has the biggest potential for fraud . Collecting and delivering other people's ballots should NOT be permitted unless that person is designated by the voter to represent them ,and that person can be properly identified as a representative for the voter .This should only be allowed in extreme cases when a person is not physically able to cast a ballot themselves .

Yet in June ,the Dem House passed a bill that would mandate “ballot harvesting” nationwide, letting paid activists canvass neighborhoods to collect absentee votes. The bill would also force states to count mail ballots that arrive after Election Day, as long as the postmark meets that date. In that case, the next President could be in doubt for weeks.

Ballot access is important, but so is ballot integrity. In exchange for the convenience, mail votes should have to be postmarked several days in advance of the election ,and ban the use of ballot harvesting .If the Dems fear that Donald Trump will try to delegitimize November’s result, why not deny him that by eliminating his biggest objections ? You don't have to answer that . We both really know the Dems motivation for reducing transparency in the process.

No WG, he would rather whine about the fix is in like he did in 2016, rather than unite the country.
Like his unifying comments on the pandemic: "It is what it is" and why he didn't go to John Lewis's funeral, "He didn't come to my inauguration, he didn't come to my State of the Union speeches...and nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have."

@ Tom, the secretary of state is the top election official

https://www.kansascity.com/news/politics-government/article244601752.html

Even repubs have figured out mail in ballots are doable. Have for a long time.


Like his unifying comments on the pandemic: "It is what it is" and why he didn't go to John Lewis's funeral, "He didn't come to my inauguration, he didn't come to my State of the Union speeches...and nobody has done more for Black Americans than I have."

Will he blame those ungrateful black people if he loses?

He will blame everyone and anyone because the ego cannot know defeat, he was lucky the last time, he appealed to a lot of disenfranchised people but the circumstances are different this time and he knows it

We have had almost 4 years of his lying cheating and stealing and bulling bluster and blaming others for his own dufus incompetence. The law is dead on his arse, and he could be impeached AGAIN!

if's and maybes not a reason not to elect him again

if's and maybes not a reason not to elect him again

"We have had almost 4 years of his lying cheating and stealing and bulling bluster and blaming others for his own dufus incompetence." is!

now there is a reason, but swapping the incompetent you know for the incompetent you don't know, the horns of a dilemma

now there is a reason, but swapping the incompetent you know for the incompetent you don't know, the horns if a dilema
That "incompetent we don't know" was our vice president for eight years. No dilemma.

We know the dufus opponent very well after 8 years and he was markedly nowhere near as incompetent as the dufus has been in his first term...in my opinion, though some disagree, but that's why we vote.

We know the dufus opponent very well after 8 years and he was markedly nowhere near as incompetent as the dufus has been in his first term...in my opinion, though some disagree, but that's why we vote.

yes but now that septigenarian is four years older and he has been out of the game for four years

yes but now that septigenarian is four years older and he has been out of the game for four years

That's not a compelling reason not to vote for old Joe now Clete, and the dufus isn't someone I would vote for in the first place, and he is an old coot too!

Old Joe has more than 40 years experience to bolster him up, who took 4 years off because of the death of his son. The dufus is a silver spooned coddled arsehole, who has done some underhanded despicable stuff, and bankrupted casinos and abused charities! Just sayin'.

Ole Joe has a much better track record, and less baggage.

I think it is a compelling reason not to vote for either of them

I've watched them both over the decades, and this choice is a veritable no brainer given that choice.

Go JOE GO!

Yes you are spoiled for choice, the devil you know V the devil you know. Hobson's choice really which means you are screwed either way

see what it takes to make your donkey go

http://gph.is/1UBmG2J

a donkey led recovery?

Dems are the symbolic donkey party, and yes I'm betting they will lead the recovery once we get the dufus and those elephants out of the way.

Un Oh, there's an elephant in the room

Un Oh, there's an elephant in the room
Nope. The elephants are enjoying a weekend of golf with tRump at his New Jersey resort/club.

"As the U.S. death toll from COVID-19 topped 160,000 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/coronavirus-latest-news-08-07-2020-11596788468), and with 6 million at risk of being unable to pay their bills (https://www.cnbc.com/2020/08/05/the-600-unemployment-boost-leaves-6-million-without-enough-cash.html) due to expiring federal unemployment benefits, President Donald Trump headed to his Bedminster Golf Club in New Jersey on Thursday for a three-day weekend."
https://www.towleroad.com/2020/08/as-virus-rages-and-stimulus-stalls-trump-heads-to-bedminster-for-a-weekend-of-golf/

Ah, the perks of office, no doubt the WH picked up the bill, but think of all those employed at the club at least Trump isn't confining himself to the CV19 infested lands of Florida, but opts for the relatively safer NJ

Ah, the perks of office, no doubt the WH picked up the bill
I.e., the taxpayers picked up the bill.

Yes, the cost of a Trump in office, almost as frequent a player as Obumma, what is it with presidents and golf

Yes, the cost of a Trump in office, almost as frequent a player as Obumma, what is it with presidents and golf
Obama didn't come close! "As president, however, trump has played golf more often than Obama did; Obama played about 38 rounds a year, vs. about 70 per year for Trump." (Washington Post, 02/13/2019)

Trump must have a greater handicap, used to play every day myself when I was young and fit

Trump must have a greater handicap, used to play every day myself when I was young and fit
Probably not. He can't even bend over to pick up the ball. Too fat.

Trump must have a greater handicap, used to play every day myself when I was young and fit

Trump plays at his own golf courses, pocketing millions of taxpayer funds. To Trump, the presidency is just one huge source of ill-gotten gains going directly into his pockets.

The rest - pandemics, healthcare, NATO, politics, race relations, etc., - means nothing to Trump. His ignorance on these issues is displayed for all to see, as is his bottomless greed.

His ignorance on these issues is displayed for all to see, as is his bottomless greed.
As is his ignorance: e.g., yo semite and thigh land.

As is his ignorance: e.g., yo semite and thigh land.

LOL!!!!!! (Extra exclamation points because it required 5 characters minimum).

Little wonder the dufus prefers too wing it at the podium, because obviously he isn't the best reader of the written word. Gives credence to the rumor/allegation he has always paid people to do his homework, and take tests for him.

Little wonder the dufus prefers too wing it at the podium, because obviously he isn't the best reader of the written word. Gives credence to the rumor/allegation he has always paid people to do his homework, and take tests for him.
He's never been on a vacation to travel around the US, stayed at campgrounds in national parks, eaten (and hobnobbed with locals) at small-town diners, gone fishing for sunfish and catfish in a countryside creek, or learned at least one language other than English (which he isn't good at either).

You can't be inferring he is disconnected from the reality of his fellow humans can you? Well the ORDINARY ones anyway. I think he doesn't really give a d@mn about anyone else but him and maybe his immediate family...MAYBE.

You can't be inferring he is disconnected from the reality of his fellow humans can you? Well the ORDINARY ones anyway. I think he doesn't really give a d@mn about anyone else but him and maybe his immediate family...MAYBE.
And I so enjoy looking at all those photos and videos of him with Barron, laughing as they toss a ball back and forth, grilling hamburgers on the Weber on their patio, lying on the grass in the park, looking up at cloud formations, watching tv cartoons together while vegging on the couch.

Darn Google machine! Won't let me download those pictures! I find it amazing the dufus son's school is closed until October while he threatens everybody else's school to open up or lose federal funding, while not sending a dime for covid supplies, testing, or the required PPE to open. Does he think those poorer schools should pay for their own stuff with no money?

I asked our resident conservative that question a long time ago and got ZILCTH. Wonder why?

https://images.theweek.com/sites/default/files/242137_rgb_768.jpg?resize=807x807

those poorer schools were open before, weren't they? look at all the money they saved so now they can put that to good use. i understand now why trump thinks you are stupid, at least some of you

Poor schools don't save enough money by being closed because of the virus to balance the costs of covid related expenses to reopen, and the subsequent inevitable spread that will follow. We have already started seeing that happen after just a week in schools that have reopened already. So it seems the stupid ones are actually those that listened to the dufus when he announced that kids are virtually immune from the virus in the first place.

I mean if reopening the economy too soon causes spikes in infections and death, you would have to be pretty stupid to think we wouldn't have the same outcome with reopening schools too fast.

The dufus thinks everybody that disagrees with him is stupid, which is a far bigger crowd that agrees with him.

The dufus thinks everybody that disagrees with him is stupid, which is a far bigger crowd that agrees with him.

Yes a big crowd but the crowd is huge considering everyone who agrees with him is also stupid

In a major step toward a dictatorship, Trump today tweeted that the presidential election should be delayed. His public reasoning is that mail-in voting is fraudulent. He says this without a scintilla of evidence. His real reason is that he is so far behind in the polls that his chances of re-election are close to zero.

Even his true-blue sycophants, McConnell and Graham, are aghast at Trump's idea.

Watch for even more drastic measures from the mouth of this evil man in the days leading up to November 3.


His latest more drastic measure is slowing down the Post Office so that election mail-in ballots will not be counted. Sorting machines are being removed - no one knows where. Overtime is forbidden. In case anyone was confused about Trump's reasons for the slow down, he actually admitted his reasons at a presser on Wednesday. To wit: "I want to make sure the mail-in ballots are not counted".

What other unlawful actions are in our future to ensure Trump wins re-election?

You know you're being bamboozled when someone cries and whines, but does nothing to change it, or make it better. The key here is the dufus does all he can to make things worse or impossible.

Yes I expect more of the same from him and his sycophant's, just like in 2016, from birtherism, racism, and conspiracy theories based on his own dufusism. What he is doing to the Post Office is but his latest crime, yet another scandal that's a disaster already.

Doesn't matter what he wants . Here is reality .
The 20th Amendment REQUIRES the President to end his term Jan 20 noon . Election law REQUIRES the states to certify and send their electoral vote to Congress by Dec 23 . The states use the vote to decide the electors but that is NOT a requirement . The President has NO power to delay the election day . Congress and the individual states do . Congress could by statute delegate some of its electoral process powers to the Executive Branch in emergency situation.

The elections could not be postponed or delayed indefinitely . Article I, Section 2 (House ) and the 17th Amendment (Senate ) REQUIRES a new House every 2 years and Senators voted in every 6 .

Any delay of the Presidential election must comply with the Dec 23 deadline . Electors are chosen by the states . The elections are NOT required to determine the slate of electors (although this would probably end up in SCOTUS) . Depending on state law ,Governors or Legislatures determine the slate of electors .

So here is the real deadline ...... Dec. 8, 2020: is the deadline for resolving Election Disputes. All state recounts and court contests over presidential election results MUST be completed by then. December 14th is when the electors meet to vote . Dec 23 the votes are sent to Congress as mentioned . January 6 the new Congress meets in a joint session to count the electoral votes . (The new Congress 1st meets January 3) .

If Congress has to decide because the electors cannot decide who is President then all bets are off. Jan. 20 noon , the Speaker of the House becomes ACTING President . The 20th Amendment allows for this only on a temporary basis . A President and a Vice President must eventually be seated ;either by elector majority or by a Congressional vote .
“Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President shall have qualified, declaring who shall then ACT as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.”


If no one gets a majority, the election goes to the House Since it is most likely that the Dems will control the House , Quid would most likely become President (or if they don't like Basement Joe woooohooo your guess is as good as mine . The good news is that AOC is too young so that option is off the table )

You see here is where precise dates are impractiable but Trump shutting down the business of the post office to prevent mail in voting that is a total disconnect

he is not shutting down the Post office .More lies I know ;the left wants flexible dates until results they like are achieved. .

why don't you call an election right now, no, you can't do that your inflexible constitution gets in the way. Trump appears to have lost the confidence of the people so the answer is go to the polls. No you have to wait untill more lies are poured forth upon the people

Doesn't matter what he wants . Here is reality .
The 20th Amendment REQUIRES the President to end his term Jan 20 noon . Election law REQUIRES the states to certify and send their electoral vote to Congress by Dec 23 . The states use the vote to decide the electors but that is NOT a requirement . The President has NO power to delay the election day............................................... ...[SKIP].................................................. .................... . Congress and the individual states do . Congress could bo one gets a majority, the election goes to the House Since it is most likely that the Dems will control the House , Quid would most likely become President (or if they don't like Basement Joe woooohooo your guess is as good as mine . The good news is that AOC is too young so that option is off the table )

You keep missing the point, tom. Trump DOES NOT REGARD THE LAW AS APPLYING TO HIM. If push comes to shove, he will have his personal attorney AG Barr simply get around any law in the way. You remember Barr, don't you? He's the legal genius who said the law does not apply to Trump. Let's see if he gets away with what he's attempting to do with the Post Office - a bold in-your-face attempt to sabotage the election.

your inflexible constitution gets in the way. to both Clete and Athos . Thank God for that inflexible Constitution . Athos the first of the dominos from the administration that actually did try to steal an election pled guilty today . One by one the rest of the conspirators are going to go down too .

Thank God for that inflexible Constitution . Athos the first of the dominos from the administration that actually did try to steal an election pled guilty today . One by one the rest of the conspirators are going to go down too .
Joyboy, the new Postmaster General, is stripping post offices of sorting equipment and other automated helps so mail processing will take a lot longer. A LOT longer!

Joyboy, the new Postmaster General, is stripping post offices of sorting equipment and other automated helps so mail processing will take a lot longer. A LOT longer!
The first of many dirty tricks, instead of tricky dickie it will be tricky trumpy

No one has yet explained to me why it is ok for people in the age of the virus to stand on long lines at big box stores like Walmart ;but it is not ok to stand on lines at polling places .

Roughly 28 million mail in ballots have gone missing across the country over the last 10 years . That wasn't on Trump's watch . That was before C-19 , That was before this desperate new attempt by the Dems to steal the election . This using mail in/absentee ballots to alter elections goes back at least to Florida 2000 when 3,000 military ballots were not counted or used in the total vote of that pivotal State's election results .The bottom line is that sending out the mail in ballots blindly, with no chain of custody, leaves the door open to harvesting or misusing ballots .The result being the disenfranchisement of legitimate votes .

A report by the Public Interest Legal Foundation, an election integrity group, found that more than 200,000 ballots mailed to voters in Clark County , Nevada, were designated by the post office as “undeliverable.” Clark is the most populous county in Nevada , containing the Las Vegas area. It has nearly 75 % of the state’s population . One has to wonder how many were delivered to an address that the addressee no longer resides ? But when someone even suggests that voter rolls be updated the accusation of ' purging the rolls is voter suppression ' is charged .

Now we have that clown in NJ not only saying that mail in ballots are being sent whether requested or not ....but also that anyone who shows up at the polls to vote will have their ballot considered a "provisional ballot" to be counted ONLY in a close contest . He has it all half-assed backwards . NJ is the state where it was PROVEN that mail in ballots tempt fraud . The city of Patterson had 19% of the mail in ballots disqualified in the city council race . Fraud charges were filed as it is clear that the person who won stole the election . But instead of being charged ;the city will now have a special election. Ballots in NJ were lost ,stolen and in one case a mail delivery truck burned with hundreds of mail in ballots inside .

It took weeks to decide the outcome of the NY Democrat primaries ;and in one of the districts a Federal Judge has ruled that disqualified ballots must be counted . This is from a primary held in June. Again 20% of the ballots were disqualified .

Dramatically inflating the number of ballots cast by mail necessarily increases the likelihood of delays, mistakes, and other irregularities . Don't blame it on the postal system ,as inefficient as it is (don't blame DeJoy or Tump for that .The postal service has been bleeding money away for decades through inefficiencies that Dejoy is trying to correct ) .
The post office is meant to be self-sufficient, but it hasn’t broken even for years. Total losses since 2007 run to $78 billion .Why ? It is a stupid design for the 21st century . The Constitution mandates a postal service . But it doesn't say mail still has to be delivered by mule .
https://insider.si.edu/2016/08/grand-canyon-u-s-postal-service-still-delivers-mail-mule/

Congress could could give the USPS more freedom to act like a business: to raise prices if warranted; to close lonely, desolate post offices; to stop Saturday mail—or Wednesday mail if it comes to that. But no .All they know how to do is throw money down rabbit holes .


Millions of ballots will be forced through the postal system that is not designed to handle such an abrupt increase of volume. The entire voting system will be stressed to the breaking point .This is classic Cloward -Piven strategy being employed by the left . The objective of the Cloward-Piven strategy is to stress a system until it breaks, then rebuild a new, more socialists system from the remains . In this case it is the election system the left is attempting to destroy .

Read sec 3 of the 20th amendment

If a President shall not have been chosen before the time fixed for the beginning of his term, or if the President elect shall have failed to qualify, then the Vice President elect shall act as President until a President shall have qualified; and the Congress may by law provide for the case wherein neither a President elect nor a Vice President elect shall have qualified, declaring who shall then act as President, or the manner in which one who is to act shall be selected, and such person shall act accordingly until a President or Vice President shall have qualified.


In that scenario it doesn't even have to be Madam Mim Pelosi .,or Joementia . The Congress could choose whoever they want to be President as long as that person Constitutionally qualifies . I am not fooled by the left's goals ,or the fact that of course they would attempt to put the blame for the coming chaos on Trump . I see right through the game.

Even if I accept all you say as true, which I don't, we still have the dismantling of mail sorting equipment looming as highly suspicious Tom, and I repeat, even more suspicious is the dufus lack of FIXING whatever challenge to a fair election. I don't think it's very fair to blame dems as up to no good, while condoning repubs long history of voter suppression shenanigans, and we have enough court cases already to back that up.

LOL, it's pretty naive to think the dufus wouldn't try anything he can to steal an election since he has a history of lying, cheating and stealing that goes back further than his presidency, so obviously we need some reforms. safeguards, and oversights to replace our current state of affairs in many areas of our lives in this country.

A change of management is indicated.

your comments about a fair election are disqualified when you speak of using an unsupervised system like mail in ballots delivered like any other piece of junk mail whether requested or not .

your comments about a fair election are disqualified when you speak of using an unsupervised system like mail in ballots delivered like any other piece of junk mail whether requested or not .

Give it up, tom. Nobody but you is defending Trump's attempts to rig the election in his favor. It's blindingly obvious to all - here and abroad. Time to smell the coffee and get back on the freedom train like the patriot you are.

your comments about a fair election are disqualified when you speak of using an unsupervised system like mail in ballots delivered like any other piece of junk mail whether requested or not .

Given mail in voting has been used successfully in states for years, it's just a matter of setting up the proper infrastructure, which may be challenging and I see your reluctance to embrace such an upgrade in service as just holding on to the old ideas of doing things which has become a health hazard and object of suppression over the years. Ballots are hardly junk mail, and should be closely scrutinized and supervised for sure and are and have been closely watched successfully where it's done but you have not answered the question of dismantling sorting machines, or removing mailboxes in some locations.

What say you, before I disqualify your own account of the THE facts? Is the dufus undermining the election apparatus or NOT?

well of course he is, all politicians would do it if they thought they would be advantaged and they could get away with it, but you don't think Trump got this idea himself, this is in the well entrenched political playbook

Between 2012 and 2018, 28.3 million mail-in ballots remain unaccounted for, according to data from the federal Election Assistance Commission. The missing ballots amount to nearly one in five of all absentee ballots and ballots mailed to voters residing in states that do elections exclusively by mail.
States and local authorities simply have no idea what happened to these ballots since they were mailed – and the figure of 28 million missing ballots is likely even higher because some areas in the country, notably Chicago, did not respond to the federal agency’s survey questions. This figure does not include ballots that were spoiled, undeliverable, or came back for any reason.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143 033.html?fbclid=IwAR0tUdb_a1XLMv5p8uApQsJlmVrTE6Yh o_TbcWD8OTFWs41PZlq_WJGqXOs (https://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2020/04/24/28_million_mail-in_ballots_went_missing_in_last_four_elections_143 033.html?fbclid=IwAR0tUdb_a1XLMv5p8uApQsJlmVrTE6Yh o_TbcWD8OTFWs41PZlq_WJGqXOs)

Between 2012 and 2018, 28.3 million mail-in ballots remain unaccounted for, according to data from the federal Election Assistance Commission.

In the same time period, approximately 250 million voters did not show up to vote. Are they "missing", too? Or did they just decide not to vote? Of the 28.3 mail-ins, how many are due to registration lists not updated? How many represent voters who decided not to vote?

Your logic is skewed to support the attempt to rig the election by Trump.

I guess the idea of making vote by mail safe, efficient, and transparent never occurs to conservatives. Anything man does has glitches, and challenges and the notion that it's better to NOT do it and keep the status quo is unacceptable given the health crisis and historic manipulation of polling places, draconian voter id laws, and obstacles thrown at citizens to even meet the requirements to vote, and other insidious shenanigans to suppress the vote.

It doesn't take a genius for anyone to see that's the dufus's main goal in slowing down the mail. Fact is the board of governors for the postal service is requesting the 28 billion for operating expenses during this election season crisis, and who else but repubs would burden them with fully funding insurance pensions and health obligations for 75 freaking years in advance? No business/service in world history does that!

They certainly don't degrade and dismantle the technology to make it LESS efficient or SAFE either, so let's get all the facts of this story before we go repeating the dufus lies around this subject. You yourself have said forget his words and judge the actions, so AGAIN, what's that removing sorting machines, and mail boxes all about?

I thinks it's an unveiled voter suppression tactic myself, despite your focus on missing ballots, but that's another thing that I would love to have an answer for before we get into the fraud label.

how many are due to registration lists not updated I thought cleaning up registration lists was code for voter repression . The key words in the article is 'unaccounted for ' . Heck of a way to run an election . 20% will swing any election one way or the other .


I guess the idea of making vote by mail safe, efficient, and transparent never occurs to conservatives. Yeah let's do that . It can't be done in a 3 month period.

I would think Trump needs those votes

I thought cleaning up registration lists was code for voter repression .

You missed (ignored) this part of my comment.

In the same time period, approximately 250 million voters did not show up to vote. Are they "missing", too? Or did they just decide not to vote? Of the 28.3 mail-ins, ........ How many represent voters who decided not to vote?


Probably about 50%, like always.

.No one is required to vote . But if they choose not to they are accounted for. Sending out unsolicited ballots makes them the responsibility of the state to account for . Note I did not get into obvious problems like how easy it is to harvest unaccounted for ballots and make sure they end up at the precincts with a vote for your favorite candidate .

.No one is required to vote . But if they choose not to they are accounted for. Sending out unsolicited ballots makes them the responsibility of the state to account for

I'm sure you mean something by this but I have no idea what.


Note I did not get into obvious problems like how easy it is to harvest unaccounted for ballots and make sure they end up at the precincts with a vote for your favorite candidate .

Ballot harvesting is extremely rare as are all the other scenarios for mail fraud proposed by Trump.

Danger ! New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she is delaying the country's parliamentary election by four weeks to October 17 !!!
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Danger ! New Zealand Prime Minister Jacinda Ardern says she is delaying the country's parliamentary election by four weeks to October 17 !!!
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Not a problem as it might be in the US. Elections are not held on a fixed date and there is some latitude for the government of the day, four weeks in the middle of a CV event is no more than a statistical error. Please remember we in the southern climes are not given to dicatorial regimes often

.No one is required to vote . But if they choose not to they are accounted for. Sending out unsolicited ballots makes them the responsibility of the state to account for . Note I did not get into obvious problems like how easy it is to harvest unaccounted for ballots and make sure they end up at the precincts with a vote for your favorite candidate .

Conservatives are always looking for a boogeyman to justify their worst fears so now we have ballot harvesting to stop progress. I'll be glad when you guys actually prove some of these sky is falling theories instead of the steady gloom and doom stirred up by the dufus and his sycophants. Better yet how to fix stuff. LOL Tom most states have already expanded absentee and mail in voting because of the virus, and they aren't all democratic controlled states either.

I suspect the same voices hollering voter fraud are the same ones looking to carry out voter suppression.

It is all a distraction from the real agenda

I suspect the same voices hollering voter fraud are the same ones looking to carry out voter suppression.

The suppression will be the apx 20% of the voters who's ballots are disqualified for various reasons .(that seems to be the standard ,for the mail in ballots that are actually accounted for . Carolyn Maloney's opponent ,Suraj Patel was robbed .After a 3 week +delay in announcing the result ;Manhattan Judge Analisa Torres ordered all ballots with missing postmarks that were received two days after the June 23 primary be counted. So it is still undecided .

The suppression will be the apx 20% of the voters who's ballots are disqualified for various reasons .(that seems to be the standard ,for the mail in ballots that are actually accounted for . Carolyn Maloney's opponent ,Suraj Patel was robbed .After a 3 week +delay in announcing the result ;Manhattan Judge Analisa Torres ordered all ballots with missing postmarks that were received two days after the June 23 primary be counted. So it is still undecided .
What about all those in-person voting locations that have been removed so that poc will have to stand in line for eight or more hours?

talk to the states and the local wards . They run elections .

talk to the states and the local wards . They run elections .
Republican gerrymandering says it all.

Therein lies the problem

Dems gerrymander too, adds to the problem.

so you admit demonrats interfere with the electoral process

I admit both sides engage in political shenanigans to gain and keep power and influence. I think we find that in every government on Earth. Some more than others.

I admit both sides engage in political shenanigans to gain and keep power and influence. I think we find that in every government on Earth. Some more than others.

Yes but you guys have reduced it to an art form

Yes but you guys have reduced it to an art form

I agree and I think it's a disgrace.

Over the last 25 years the Republicans have "reduced" it to the Nth degree. All anyone has to do is look at the Trump years to fear for American democracy.

This very day he went so far to say the if he loses the election, it will have been de facto rigged. If he wins, it will be legitimate. That is an unbelievable statement from a sitting US president.

This very day he went so far to say the if he loses the election, it will have been de facto rigged. If he wins, it will be legitimate. That is an unbelievable statement from a sitting US president.
He also said the US people owe him four more years (AFTER he finishes the next four years that he plans to win in November 2020) because of all the controversy around his 2016 win.

He also said the US people owe him four more years (AFTER he finishes the next four years that he plans to win in November 2020) because of all the controversy around his 2016 win.

That's even MORE unbelievable!

That's even MORE unbelievable!
President Donald Trump apparently isn’t happy with his first four years in office, according to his remarks on Monday demanding a kind of presidential do-over.
“We are going to win four more years,” Trump announced to a Wisconsin crowd not social distancing. “And then after that we’ll go for another four years, because they spied on my campaign. We should get a redo of four years.”
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/trump-demands-he-get-a-redo-of-the-last-4-years-because-it-was-too-hard-for-him-to-do-his-job/

poor little Donald, the big bad bullies were against him

More crazy distraction talk as everyday brings out the dufus's glaring incompetence and lies. While repubs put together their own convention and dems are in the middle of theirs the dufus appointed postmaster is stopping his destruction of the post office amid the uproar and hearings into his handling of USPS.

the dufus appointed postmaster is stopping his destruction of the post office amid the uproar and hearings into his handling of USPS.
And will joyboy DeJoy replace what he removed?

He also said the US people owe him four more years (AFTER he finishes the next four years that he plans to win in November 2020) because of all the controversy around his 2016 win. after 4 years you don't know when he's yanking your chain ?

I suppose yanking chains is better than talking about the repub senates intell report on Russia, or the post office debacle, or no relief deal for main street and states, or the incompetence in covid response.

after 4 years you don't know when he's yanking your chain ?
Trouble is, he's totally serious. He has no concept of how to chain-yank.

after 4 years you don't know when he's yanking your chain ?

Even if he is yanking chains, that is not acceptable behavior coming from a US president. It reeks of a barroom, an environment more suitable to Trump.

I suppose yanking chains is better than talking about the repub senates intell report on Russia, ho hum . A thousand pages to say there was no evidence of collusion and that Manafort had friends in Russia close to Putin. Manafort was a minor actor in the Trump campaign . He was brought in because he understood how to manage a convention. Trump dumped him mid -august . If he was an instrument of collusion with Russia then why was it old business in Ukraine that got him in trouble with Mueller ;and the charges were mostly tax and banking related ? The Senate Intel Committee has become a useless group led by Goober Graham .

Nice spin, or a blatant dismissal of facts, since I doubt you've read it, just like you didn't read the Mueller Report, and Burr was the Chairman at the time not Goober. Rubio took over after Burr left for the repubs.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/senate-intel-releases-new-report-intel-community-assessment-russian-interference

It's Vol 5 of a series.

ho hum . A thousand pages to say there was no evidence of collusion and that Manafort had friends in Russia close to Putin. Manafort was a minor actor in the Trump campaign . He was brought in because he understood how to manage a convention. Trump dumped him mid -august . If he was an instrument of collusion with Russia then why was it old business in Ukraine that got him in trouble with Mueller ;and the charges were mostly tax and banking related ? The Senate Intel Committee has become a useless group led by Goober Graham .

Did you read the Mueller report? No. Did you read the Senate report? No. Yet, you come here and claim they're both "hoaxes". Do you read Trump's tweets? Yes. That's where you get your info - right from the fevered brain of a mental case.

Among many things, the Senate determined that Manafort's long-time partner was a Russian intelligence agent. Also, that Wikileaks acted as a Russian cut-out. AG Barr misled Mueller's report by his infamous spin obscuring the fact that the Trump administation colluded with the Russians.

Even worse, Trump is willing to collude again with the Russians in the 2020 election and the Republicans - FULLY AWARE OF THIS FACT - will do nothing to prevent it.

Republican Rubio has stated that "there is no evidence of collusion". Rubio is the acting chairman of the Senate committee. Ignoring the tons of evidence in the Senate report shows exactly how dangerous the Repubs will be in 2020.

Yes folks another dufus associate is facing charges!

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/20/nyregion/steve-bannon-indicted.html?campaign_id=60&emc=edit_na_20200820&instance_id=0&nl=breaking-news&ref=cta&regi_id=91599845&segment_id=36622&user_id=4fda7a71dac2f5f1434969268de5c8c3

If you surround yourself with crooks and criminals what are the chances that you're one too? just asking.