BOMBSHELL!!! Ukrainians want investigation of Burisma, election meddling! Not good for Demos.

We could sure use a link or something to read about it Vac.

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I'm reminded of the words of an old song, and I paraphrase;


What ever Trump wants, Trump gets

Paraclete: Yes, the left goes "conventional warfare"....TRUMP GOES NUCLEAR!

Paraclete: Yes, the left goes "conventional warfare"....TRUMP GOES NUCLEAR!

Are you sure it isn't a GAS attack?

Paraclete: Gas isn't a big enough show for Trump!

Rigging the 2020 election is right up his alley though!

Rigging the 2020 election is right up his alley though!

Trump didn't rig the last election and he won't rig this one. Trump doesn't look worried, he knows the Domonrats got nothing and Bloomberg proves it

He lied cheated and stole the last election, and is actively doing the same with this one, hoping to use the Ukraine this time along with Vlad again. He has repubs cowed to protect him but he has made some staunch enemies this time around and some of his tactics and antics may well backfire and those he fooled once may not be fooled as easily again so we'll see.

You lost because the other guy cheated, forgetting it was an overwelhming victory over a small part of the country, Trump won in thousands of counties, the majority of states

He lied cheated and stole the last election, and is actively doing the same with this one, hoping to use the Ukraine this time along with Vlad again.

I guess it's easier to say that than to say, "We ran an incompetent, unaccomplished, unethical candidate who thought she would win just because she was a woman, and we shockingly got our rear ends kicked." Yeah, it just had to be because Trump stole the election.

Actually it's easier to say the truth the dufus won the electoral college by less than 100.000 votes in 5 states. He lost the popular vote by 3 million nation wide and neither candidate won a majority, and the dufus had Vlad on hiis side.

"Russia if your listening", and they responded! No body knew the dufus was under investigation, but everybody knew about HC. I don't think that will happen this time and that's why we are treated to the Biden's and Ukraine 2016 interference conspiracy crap, which is right out of Vlad/s playbook, and every repub is spouting it, and the r/w loony noise machine is at full volume. !

Actually it's easier to say the truth the dufus won the electoral college by less than 100.000 votes in 5 states. He lost the popular vote by 3 million nation wide and neither candidate won a majority, and the dufus had Vlad on hiis side.

"Russia if your listening", and they responded! No body knew the dufus was under investigation, but everybody knew about HC. I don't think that will happen this time and that's why we are treated to the Biden's and Ukraine 2016 interference conspiracy crap, which is right out of Vlad/s playbook, and every repub is spouting it, and the r/w loony noise machine is at full volume. !

The margin he won by doesn't matter, he won by the rules, no doubt you cried foul when GW Bush won by a narrow margin, that one had us all scratching our heads, but you have rules. Where I come from we don't like the idea of first past the post, we like to see a result based preference, that is, if more people don't like you even though you have the most votes you don't get up and your electoral college is something like that. You claim victory because a number of people in a small part of the country voted a particular way, but your system is designed to prevent that happening, you see Tal you don't just win with the majority of votes, you also have to carry the majority of states, so accept the result

Oh I accept the results of the election Clete, we got what we deserve, but I don't like the words, antics, and behavior of the lying, cheating dufus, that the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind, and repubs defend. Strange bedfellows indeed, but I suppose that's what happens when you let the loonies have their way.

Oh I accept the results of the election Clete, we got what we deserve, but I don't like the words, antics, and behavior of the lying, cheating dufus, that the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind, and repubs defend. Strange bedfellows indeed, but I suppose that's what happens when you let the loonies have their way.

Tal, I agree the man leaves much to be desired, he truly needs to think before he speaks, but he made some promises and unlike many, he didn't forget them when the election was over. However, it is an imperfect world, so whatever was implemented didn't survive the politicians

the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind

That's the most racially prejudiced statement I have seen on this board. I thought you were above such things, Tal, but I guess not. Very disappointing. "You voted for Trump? Well, you must be a racist white Christian." I suppose it couldn't have had anything to do with the corrupt little person the dems ran, or with policies such as economic growth, pro-Constitution fed judges, an approach that is pro-life, or advocating for free speech. Nah. Everyone who voted for Trump must surely be a racist Christian. I truly hope I have somehow misread your position, because it would certainly be a pathetic view. It's yet anther reason I'm glad I'm not a liberal democrat.

That's the most racially prejudiced statement I have seen on this board. I thought you were above such things, Tal, but I guess not. Very disappointing. "You voted for Trump? Well, you must be a racist white Christian." I suppose it couldn't have had anything to do with the corrupt little person the dems ran, or with policies such as economic growth, pro-Constitution fed judges, an approach that is pro-life, or advocating for free speech. Nah. Everyone who voted for Trump must surely be a racist Christian. I truly hope I have somehow misread your position, because it would certainly be a pathetic view. It's yet anther reason I'm glad I'm not a liberal democrat.

Those are YOUR words not mine, I just stated a fact, a few facts amongst many, such as voter turnout, a transitioning population, a poor campaign by dems, voter purges and suppression, cyber interference by Vlad, and a few others but of course you over simplified it to your own narrative because I was fascinated by the demographics of the 2016 electorate? It's hard to even have a debate with a closed minded ultra sensitive conservative southerner who sees gains in conservative judges and anti abortions as a main credential, and can ignore the rest of the baggage we've seen for the last 3 years, like lying cheating and really dirty tricks.

The 2018 midterms should have given you fair warning that more things are on the minds of citizens beside repression of liberal policy fears, which lost repubs the House, and may well cost them senate as well, even if the dufus manages to survive his current opposition, and court rulings.

You cannot deny the support the dufus enjoys as part of his base that keeps elected repubs in line for his antics and behavior, because it's their base too essentially. So don't deny I made a specific distinction between racists, and white evangelicals while you draw the erroneous conclusion that I somehow lumped them together as racist white Christians. I did not, merely pointed out they backed the dufus rather strongly, and I found that rather a strange coalition, though I think it represents less than half of all repubs and there may be a sizable number who will look for better in the upcoming 2020 elections. Just a speculation and no reason to twist your nose in knots.

"You voted for Trump? Well, you must be a racist white Christian."
Sad to say, that's been my experience too during the past three years.

More Blacks will vote for Trump than they have for any other Republican ever before in 2020.....and, it is possible, that he will get even more than anyone thinks given the outrageously great Black employment numbers Trump has put up. Liberals tend to think that Blacks have to led around by the nose in order for them to understand what is good for them: THERE IS A VERY RASCIST ASSUMPTION AMONST LIBERALS THAT BLACKS HAVE TO BE TOLD WHAT TO DO....and I have seen this demonstrated many times during my lifetime...….I can tell you that ideal is patently racist....Want to talk about Systemic Racism in the U.S., look no further than how liberals "handle" Blacks in this country: its demeaning as hell!

I just stated a fact

No, you didn't. You stated an opinion. When you say, as you did, that Trump was elected by a "coalition pf racist and white evangelicals ", then you are making a prejudiced, racist observation. I know a lot of people who voted for Trump. I can't think of a one who is a racist, and quite a number are not evangelical Christians. It seems you go by the liberal motto of, "If you do it it's wrong, but if I do it it's OK."


Sad to say, that's been my experience too during the past three years.

Oh? So that settles it then? Since that has been your Chicago experience, then all Trump supporters are white, racist evangelicals? Like I said, I'm so glad I'm not a liberal with that two-tiered system of ethics.

It's about on the level of saying that all Obama supporters were black, welfare recipients. Both statements are equally wrong and racially prejudiced, but liberals would only reject one of them.

The good news is that the revived economy has spurred black support for Trump. A passage from the linked article states, "Rasmussen proclaimed that black approval of Trump had hit 29%, even though most of the media ignored it for reasons AT readers well understand. But the surge in black support for President Trump is real – so real that even the far-left NAACP discovered it in a poll, though that poll (perhaps with a differently worded question) put the support at 21%."

So evidently there will be a significant number of black voters allying themselves with those racist, white evangelical voters. Go figure!



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JL: Liberal PRACTICE INSTITUTIONALIZED RACISM to the point that they don't even know that what they do is racist.

The attitudes, old and outdated as they are, that the NORTH is advanced and not racist and the SOUTH is backwards and racist still are perpetuated by liberals: I find it disgusting.....I grew up around Blacks...I played with Blacks....ate with Blacks...worked with Blacks....busted my knuckles on Blacks and visa versa....and have interacted with Black on a daily basis almost my entire life IN THE SOUTH! Yet, Northern liberals are self-righteous about SOUTHERN attitudes of Blacks: How can they do this? I have met Northern liberals that have never even interacted in any capacity with Blacks: Went to a major University and met Northerners who never, to that point, met a Black from where they were from....yet were quick to condemn the SOUTH and me! WHAT GIVES????

Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting anyone on this board is a racist. I don't believe that at all, but it was a racially prejudiced remark, or at least in my view it was.

So evidently there will be a significant number of black voters allying themselves with those racist, white evangelical voters. Go figure!

So, could it be that those black voters are also Christian and they are opposed to the thinking of the leftist demonrat who would swamp their nation with cheap hispanic labour who might be aligned to their views

So, could it be that those black voters are also Christian and they are opposed to the thinking of the leftist demonrat who would swamp their nation with cheap hispanic labour who might be aligned to their views

I'm sure the Christian element is there, but just as likely is the historic low in black unemployment. We underestimate what a blessing it is to live in this economy. Good GDP growth AND low inflation is remarkable.

Or possibly the dem candidates themselves may be scary to some blacks. No telling but a bump in the polls is a bump in the polls. Hmm maybe black evangelical are for the dufus, or some are as racists as whites. Makes those bedfellows even stranger doesn't it? (https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2018/08/19/yes-trumps-support-among-black-voters-seems-to-be-rising-n2511182)


"So, while it might not be 36 percent, 14-21 percent is a massive improvement from Trump’s meager eight percent draw in the 2016 election."

Yeah. If they are for Trump, then they surely must racists. What a strange world you live in.

People are people.....and MOST people want to lead themselves in a democratic society, NOT BE LED.....There are outstanding people of all races and extreme low lifes of all races.....I am all about the U.S. taking an Australian approach: You don't even identify RACE AT ALL....if we could ever get to that point in the U.S., it would be a great leap forward!

It does get old as hell being lumped-in and identified as "the racist, White, Southerners": I just don't identify with that.

You pretty well said it, Vac.

Yeah. If they are for Trump, then they surely must racists. What a strange world you live in.

Oh stop twisting words to make yourself some kind of misunderstood victim. Just because you have said a few times you personally don't know any racists doesn't mean they don't exist, or didn't voted for the dufus. That's all I said was that they exist and DID vote for the dufus. If you cannot even acknowledge such people do exist, then you will never understand why it's an insult to say blacks unemployment is as low as it's ever been and they should be grateful to the dufus for it.

One has to wonder if you did meet a racists what would you do about it besides hold your nose and vote for them any way. I'm the one who lives in a strange world? I find it very strange you cannot acknowledge the existence of those that hate based on race.


People are people.....and MOST people want to lead themselves in a democratic society, NOT BE LED.....There are outstanding people of all races and extreme low lifes of all races.....I am all about the U.S. taking an Australian approach: You don't even identify RACE AT ALL....if we could ever get to that point in the U.S., it would be a great leap forward!

It does get old as hell being lumped-in and identified as "the racist, White, Southerners": I just don't identify with that.

Well somebody is giving you a bad name and I wonder who that might be? Might have something to do with that war of northern aggression stuff you were taught.

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People are people.....and MOST people want to lead themselves in a democratic society, NOT BE LED.....There are outstanding people of all races and extreme low lifes of all races.....I am all about the U.S. taking an Australian approach: You don't even identify RACE AT ALL....if we could ever get to that point in the U.S., it would be a great leap forward!

It does get old as hell being lumped-in and identified as "the racist, White, Southerners":



I just don't identify with that.




Well somebody is giving you a bad name and I wonder who that might be? Might have something to do with that war of northern aggression stuff you were taught.

Tal, I looked at your response to vac who was trying to undo this race debate and what was your response? You made one of those vailed remarks that went straight back to the long held racial issues.

Tal, I looked at your response to vac who was trying to undo this race debate and what was your response? You made one of those vailed remarks that went straight back to the long held racial issues.

Yeah so what's your point? You can't undo the history of racial unrest by ignoring it, or holding onto the entitled nobility that justified it in the first place. Obviously I don't completely agree that the Aussie way of race relations is a viable one. Forced assimilation to the majority is not my idea of a solution at all.

Tal, I looked at your response to vac who was trying to undo this race debate and what was your response? You made one of those vailed remarks that went straight back to the long held racial issues.

Tal has a habit of exposing people to the truth.

That's all I said was that they exist and DID vote for the dufus

Your original statement was, "the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind." I'm glad you have now cleared up your meaning. I would certainly agree that racists do exist. Many of them voted for Trump, and many others voted for Obama and Clinton. Some are repubs, and others are proudly democrats.

Yeah so what's your point? You can't undo the history of racial unrest by ignoring it, or holding onto the entitled nobility that justified it in the first place. Obviously I don't completely agree that the Aussie way of race relations is a viable one. Forced assimilation to the majority is not my idea of a solution at all.

What is with the forced assimilation nonsense, we have a multiracial society but we don't emphasise our differences, ok you have some more definite issues of colour, but this is because you didn't deal with the issues, and you think you have to point out the differences using two words where one will do. maybe it is because we have a hotter climate and we need to keep our mouths shut to keep out the insects and conserve moisture. Tell us what your solution is Tal, we all want to hear this one

What is with the forced assimilation nonsense, we have a multiracial society but we don't emphasise our differences, ok you have some more definite issues of colour, but this is because you didn't deal with the issues, and you think you have to point out the differences using two words where one will do

Well said. Much of our problem lies in the fact that politicians have figured out how to manipulate our differences to their advantage.

Yes you did distort my intention and made this about YOU, but worse you throw out the statement that the racists supported Obama and Clinton, and that's your MO, throw those two in the mix to lessen the blasts against the dufus, like everybody does it. The difference though is night and day, since the dufus openly courted the racist vote from day one, and still does. Morever he has a history of racist behavior, and that doesn't hurt his credibility with them not one bit. Like what would a racist gain from supporting HC or Obama? This should be good.

In truth I must say the dufus will lie, cheat, and steal from anybody, and everybody, because his whole hustle is about what he gains from it. Putting race aside for a moment, let me ask what blaming Ukraine for 2016 election interference in collusion with the dems helps whom? If you said Vlad and the dufus go to the head of the class.

What is with the forced assimilation nonsense, we have a multiracial society but we don't emphasise our differences, ok you have some more definite issues of colour, but this is because you didn't deal with the issues, and you think you have to point out the differences using two words where one will do. maybe it is because we have a hotter climate and we need to keep our mouths shut to keep out the insects and conserve moisture. Tell us what your solution is Tal, we all want to hear this one

LOL, you can explain and correct me about your multicultural society dominated heavily by ONE culture, as well as those other issues you reference whatever the heck that means. My solution is very simple Clete and that's just treat others as you want to be treated and be willing to listen.


Well said. Much of our problem lies in the fact that politicians have figured out how to manipulate our differences to their advantage.

There is a lot of truth in that JL. Makes you wonder how we fall for that okey doke. I suspect hate born from FEAR.

Yes you did distort my intention and made this about YOU, but worse you throw out the statement that the racists supported Obama and Clinton, and that's your MO, throw those two in the mix to lessen the blasts against the dufus, like everybody does it. The difference though is night and day, since the dufus openly courted the racist vote from day one, and still does. Morever he has a history of racist behavior, and that doesn't hurt his credibility with them not one bit. Like what would a racist gain from supporting HC or Obama? This should be good.

Actually, you made it about me and many others when you alleged that Trump supporters were racist white evangelicals. As to Obama and Clinton, I'm always the one who has to bring them up since you can't bring yourself to acknowledge even the slightest fault with those two whom you practically worship.

Trump a racist, or Trump courting racist votes? I'd like to see the evidence for that. While you're looking, remember this quote from Obama. "Referring to working-class voters in old industrial towns decimated by job losses, the presidential hopeful said: 'They get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations.'" Yep. No prejudices to be found there. What a big-hearted guy he was.


In truth I must say the dufus will lie, cheat, and steal from anybody, and everybody, because his whole hustle is about what he gains from it. Putting race aside for a moment, let me ask what blaming Ukraine for 2016 election interference in collusion with the dems helps whom? If you said Vlad and the dufus go to the head of the class.

Don't forget to mention the guy who profited more than anyone, that person being Hunter Biden, the famous gas, petroleum, and business expert.


I suspect hate born from FEAR. Mixed in with a healthy dose of willful ignorance and stupidity.

Actually, you made it about me and many others when you alleged that Trump supporters were racist white evangelicals. As to Obama and Clinton, I'm always the one who has to bring them up since you can't bring yourself to acknowledge even the slightest fault with those two whom you practically worship.

I alleged no such thing, I said they were a PART of his base supporters. Which is true and accurate. Never said racists were white evangelicals nor white evangelicals were racists. You just drew your own conclusion and were grossly inaccurate of my statement, as well as whom I worship which is neither. They were and are irrelevant to the current discussion on the dufus, his words, and actions.


Trump a racist, or Trump courting racist votes? I'd like to see the evidence for that.

Take off your blinders and read just like I do. Plenty of evidence for BOTH statements.


Don't forget to mention the guy who profited more than anyone, that person being Hunter Biden, the famous gas, petroleum, and business expert.

What's illegal about that? Why is he the only board member you want investigated at Burisma? He wasn't the only American either. Nothing but a smear campaign concocted by Rudy and the dufus to get talking points against ole Joe and you righties got manipulated into parroting the dufus line.

What do you call a guy who parrots the LIES of a LIAR?

I said they were a PART of his base supporters

No, you didn't. Here is your quote. The word "part" is nowhere to be found. "the coalition pf racist and white evangelicals have coalesced behind."


Take off your blinders and read just like I do. Plenty of evidence for BOTH statements.

Sure there is.


What's illegal about that?

Maybe nothing, but it sure smells to the high heavens. His daddy is the VP and HB himself said that he would never have gotten the position if his last name had not been "Biden". Now maybe it was all perfectly innocent, but it doesn't take much thought to see that it could very well have been a REAL quid pro quo. "We'll give your completely unqualified son, who was kicked out of the navy for drug use, a job in exchange for $$$ in aid," or maybe even dollars under the table. It's at least worth looking into. That's just one reason I think there is a good chance that the dems will not vote to impeach. They know that if this circus gets to the repub controlled Senate, then all bets will be off.

Coalition = bloc, faction, union, alliance, partnership, often temporary

Sounds like "PART of his base" to me.

You know we said the that about Kavanaugh and boy did you holler smear and no evidence, and even some of those conservative judges smell to high heaven, but you guys just push 'em through like hotcakes and butter. All of that goes out the window though as we present more and more evidence of the dufus scandals and antics and we get what about Hunter...what about HC...what about Obama...!

I like your new excuse about the aid being released to Ukraine without them announcing investigations and just wonder if being caught at his attempt to extort them for political gain have anything to do with it? Of course it did. Hope yo' boy gets his lawyers over to those hearings next week since he was formally invited to them.

Nice to know the senate has already decided this case well before charges have been filed or presented. Repub minds are already made up and don't know how legal that smells for sure. That's okay, dems just need to do their jobs and let repubs fend for themselves.


Coalition = bloc, faction, union, alliance, partnership, often temporary

Sounds like "PART of his base" to me.

He doesn't get it WG, English isn't his native language.

You know we said the that about Kavanaugh and boy did you holler smear and no evidence, and even some of those conservative judges smell to high heaven, but you guys just push 'em through like hotcakes and butter. All of that goes out the window though as we present more and more evidence of the dufus scandals and antics and we get what about Hunter...what about HC...what about Obama...!

It's real simple. If you think someone is guilty, then go ahead and investigate. If you can FIND REAL EVIDENCE that resolves the issue beyond a reasonable doubt, then you can find the person guilty. In the cases of Kavanaugh and Trump, that has not happened. It has not happened as well with Hunter Biden. I'm an equal opportunity demander of evidence.


Coalition = bloc, faction, union, alliance, partnership, often temporary

Sounds like "PART of his base" to me.

So it goes like this. You list synonyms for "coalition", none of which includes "part" and none of which means "part". Then you say it sounds like "part of his base" to you. Well, that's about as strange as anything I've seen in a long time. There is nothing in your reply that leads a person to believe that "coalition" means "part of" in any way.

Talaniman: You keep wanting to say the South has the "Race Problem" or is rooted in racist tendencies and this is just not as absolute as you make it out to be: There are far too many cases of race problems anywhere from the Northeast through the Midwest and on into the West Coast for anyone to accuse the South of having a monopoly on racism.....In fact, all the big arse Race Riots were everywhere BUT THE SOUTH.

Liberal regions of the country are endowed with Institutional Racism and you can see it in how they attempted to create "enclaves" of government sponsored housing complexes in order to created "VOTE FARMS" where Democrat voters would be born and raised "from the cradle to the grave."

Talaniman, if you want to keep digging back 154 year old history to strike pay dirt on "A Racist History Of The South" then you should make sure to also read about and disclose and publicize "THE DEMOCRAT PARTY: THE PARTY OF THE KLAN" because that is a fact, too, of history: When you want to talk history, make it a point to tell all of it, not just the sweet parts that fit the liberal narrative.

Vac; don't you know it is racist to point out someone's racist past. We all come from peoples who have practiced racism in the distant past. Some have wiped out antecedent peoples, some have enslaved, some have ignored poverty and destitution, and as you want to focus on, some have murdered and terrorised

Paraclete: My point, exactly: For ANYONE to point and cry racism is like "the pot calling the kettle black"! Hell, New York had slaves at one time! Anyone wanting to be self-righteous about this subject needs to check their brakes: YOU AIN'T THAT CLEAN....SO STOP PREACHING!

Vac, you have a legit point, but it's also true that white southerners from decades ago were big-time offenders. At the very least, many stood by, watched terrible injustice, and did nothing about it. And that doesn't mention the Confederacy and slavery.

So it goes like this. You list synonyms for "coalition", none of which includes "part" and none of which means "part". Then you say it sounds like "part of his base" to you. Well, that's about as strange as anything I've seen in a long time. There is nothing in your reply that leads a person to believe that "coalition" means "part of" in any way.
bloc = faction, sect, section, pressure group, division, clique, cell

Sounds like a PART of something to me, a group smaller than the whole!


Vac, you have a legit point, but it's also true that white southerners from decades ago were big-time offenders. At the very least, many stood by, watched terrible injustice, and did nothing about it. And that doesn't mention the Confederacy and slavery.
I was born and lived until my teens in the South. White families loved their black mammy or their friendly black garbageman. They hated the race.

I was born and lived until my teens in the South. White families loved their black mammy or their friendly black garbageman. They hated the race.


Sorry WG, but to me that is a dreadfully racist statement, It reeks of the slavery and disenfranchisement of the coloured people and that you cannot see it is tragic

Sorry WG, but to me that is a dreadfully racist statement, It reeks of the slavery and disenfranchisement of the coloured people and that you cannot see it is tragic
That wasn't MY experience. It was what I observed when I visited friends' homes. "Love the black person, but hate the race" was a common comment. Yes, it was tragic. And Chicago's white former South Siders still talk about "white flight" when they moved to the west side of the city to avoid living among blacks who were moving into that area.

We all have people we don't like because of their behaviour, and it is very difficult to be surrounded by people of that persuasion, to move away may not be racism, it may be common sense to avoid confrontation

bloc = faction, sect, section, pressure group, division, clique, cell

Sounds like a PART of something to me, a group smaller than the whole!

Yeah. Now if you can locate "bloc" anywhere in Tal's quote, you might have a case. Since you can't, then you don't. Tal contended that he said "they were a PART of his base supporters". He said no such thing. It's a ridiculous claim. Anyone who knows English knows he did not say it.


I was born and lived until my teens in the South. White families loved their black mammy or their friendly black garbageman. They hated the race.

I was raised in Mississippi in the 60's. We had no "black mammy" and neither did anyone else. I had no idea who the garbage man was and didn't care. There were some hardheads who hated blacks, but most people were fine with them. When the schools integrated, it was, in most places, a great big nothing of an event.


"Love the black person, but hate the race" was a common comment.

I never heard that comment a single time until I just now read it in your post.

W.G.: There was "White Flight" all over the U.S. but particularly in the North...and, there STILL is WHITE FLIGHT AND BLACK FLIGHT WHEN THE CHICANOS MOVE IN! I don't know if these types of reactions will stop anytime soon but I also know that you can't blame these reactions on any particular political affiliation, either and to do so is simply disingenuous. The faster the GOVERNMENT gets its nose out of the fouled-up business of SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND RACE LABELING, THE QUICKER IT WILL GO AWAY!

If you have't noticed: Just about everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to sh#&!

If you have't noticed: Just about everything the GOVERNMENT touches turns to sh#&!

Yes dogooders will do that, and guess what their political persuasion is likely to be

The faster the GOVERNMENT gets its nose out of the fouled-up business of SOCIAL ENGINEERING AND RACE LABELING, THE QUICKER IT WILL GO AWAY!

I wanted to stand up and applaud when I read that. There will always be problems because people have problems, but when the feds decide to come in and make things better, then fasten your seatbelt because it's going to be a bumpy ride.

The government is only as good as the people who elect it. We do have the government we deserve now, and if it's not good enough for you, change it next November. LOL, I love it when you righties blame bad government that you have controlled for the last 6 years on the dems. You guys are good at hollering and whining but lousy listeners, and even worse at understanding your own language you want everybody to speak.

JL, it's no wonder your literal understanding of our language leaves you so perplexed, and maybe you should revisit your position of the written word, since after further explanation you still don't get it, and it sends you off on all kinds of tangents that are unrelated to the simple statement presented to you. I suspect the zeal to promote your own agenda blinds you and renders your ears as useless.

For my part though I will try to simplify and be more precise with my words in an effort to convey my positions and opinions more effectively. Being stuck on the meaning of words was not my intention. I wish all a great Thanksgiving and hope you enjoy family, food, and friends.

you have controlled for the last 6 years on the dems.

The past six years? What?


JL, it's no wonder your literal understanding of our language leaves you so perplexed, and maybe you should revisit your position of the written word, since after further explanation you still don't get it, and it sends you off on all kinds of tangents that are unrelated to the simple statement presented to you. I suspect the zeal to promote your own agenda blinds you and renders your ears as useless.

You made a racially prejudiced statement, and then you tried to soften it by claiming you "said" something that you, in fact, did not say. Now if you want to clarify your meaning then fine. You could say, "I said xxx but I should have said xxx." OK. I can get that, but to claim you said something that you did NOT say is a false claim.

Your statement gives me cause for concern simply because it seems there are a lot of folks out there who really believe that Trump is a blazing racist and that every white person who voted for him is likewise a racist. That's a despicable belief that is far removed from the truth. The party that nominated a loser like HC shouldn't complain when they don't win.


For my part though I will try to simplify and be more precise with my words in an effort to convey my positions and opinions more effectively. Being stuck on the meaning of words was not my intention. I wish all a great Thanksgiving and hope you enjoy family, food, and friends.

Simplification is not needed, but precision is always a good idea. I know you want to resort to me "being stuck on the meaning of words", but if words don't have meaning, then language becomes useless.

I hope you have a great Thanksgiving as well. I thought about you yesterday. I was painting the carport ceiling and thinking about how much I hate painting. I imagine you have had to do some painting at times in your life. I just wondered if you disliked it as much as I do.

The past six years? What?

You have had full control of congress since 2012, stopping Obamas agenda in it's tracks as well as appointing judges and SCOTUS, This changed in 2018, when you lost the house, after winning the WH in 2016.


You made a racially prejudiced statement, and then you tried to soften it by claiming you "said" something that you, in fact, did not say. Now if you want to clarify your meaning then fine. You could say, "I said xxx but I should have said xxx." OK. I can get that, but to claim you said something that you did NOT say is a false claim.

Is it my fault my nuanced and command of language went over your head? A simple statement of fact that I felt needed clarification because YOU misunderstood it.


Your statement gives me cause for concern simply because it seems there are a lot of folks out there who really believe that Trump is a blazing racist and that every white person who voted for him is likewise a racist. That's a despicable belief that is far removed from the truth. The party that nominated a loser like HC shouldn't complain when they don't win.

I am not accountable for anyone but myself and that includes my part of OUR misunderstanding. Never said ALL dufus voters were racists, that's just how YOU read it. I own saying the dufus is a racists though, and recognize that's not his only shortfall, since I pointed out he is a greedy selfish racist as a precise qualifier.


Simplification is not needed, but precision is always a good idea. I know you want to resort to me "being stuck on the meaning of words", but if words don't have meaning, then language becomes useless.

Sometimes language is useless and inadequate and has always lead to misunderstandings and hard feelings amongst us humans. Probably always will but we can discuss it and gain better understanding through those discussions.


I hope you have a great Thanksgiving as well. I thought about you yesterday. I was painting the carport ceiling and thinking about how much I hate painting. I imagine you have had to do some painting at times in your life. I just wondered if you disliked it as much as I do.

LOL, I don't paint and quit completely in the late 70's. I'd rather pay a guy and go fishing to be honest. Nope no paint brushes in my toolbox. The wife gave up asking decades ago.

You have had full control of congress since 2012, stopping Obamas agenda in it's tracks as well as appointing judges and SCOTUS, This changed in 2018, when you lost the house, after winning the WH in 2016.


Once again your writing skills have failed you. You wrote, "you have controlled for the last 6 years on the dems." Now you want to change your meaning to include the congress only.


Is it my fault my nuanced and command of language went over your head? A simple statement of fact that I felt needed clarification because YOU misunderstood it.

"Nuanced?" "Command of language?" That made me laugh. How about "I made a racially prejudiced remark and now I don't want to own it?" Or better yet, "I made a statement that does not reflect my true feeling on the matter and I would like to clarify/correct it."


Sometimes language is useless and inadequate

That is apparently sometimes true with you, especially when you claim to be "nuanced".


LOL, I don't paint and quit completely in the late 70's. I'd rather pay a guy and go fishing to be honest. Nope no paint brushes in my toolbox. The wife gave up asking decades ago.

That is very wise, my friend.

Talaniman: I cannot be stereotyped as a racist and I don't know many people who could be labeled that way in the South....it is easy to see, if you know what to look for, and not easy to see EVEN IF you know what to look for because, most of the time, its a hidden thing......However, labeling Trump a racist isn't going to help the Demos get elected, mainly because, if you look at the total body of work Trump has pulled off in the 45+ years he has been out there, he has never shown any racist proclivities....so, "That dog won't hunt"!

I don't condemn just Demo Administrations on what they have done with or to race relations I condemn all of them: I think that they have all sucked pretty hard, some more than others, but all have sucked!

Insofar as the PAINTING QUESTION, JL: Talaniman might be the smartest man in the room on this: Just don't! My wife goads me into painting and then proceeds to criticize the devil out of my painting. I just got finished doing BASEBOARDS throughout the house....and my knees are killing me!!! I am a pretty good painter but I HATE IT! It tortures me......and, if anyone has noticed, the Paint Stores of today are not that skilled at helping you out on either color match or texture match....and, you would think that they would be with all the modern matching gadgetry but they miss more than hit the marks.

Insofar as the PAINTING QUESTION, JL: Talaniman might be the smartest man in the room on this: Just don't! My wife goads me into painting and then proceeds to criticize the devil out of my painting. I just got finished doing BASEBOARDS throughout the house....and my knees are killing me!!! I am a pretty good painter but I HATE IT! It tortures me......and, if anyone has noticed, the Paint Stores of today are not that skilled at helping you out on either color match or texture match....and, you would think that they would be with all the modern matching gadgetry but they miss more than hit the marks.

I am allergic to fresh paint! Even if another guy does it, I simply can't be around it. See you when it dries.

I don't mind using a roller brush and attacking flat surfaces. It's the cutting in around doors, baseboards, and window panes that I hate.

The dufus sure hasn't helped his own case concerning race relations nor has his supporters done anything to disspell those stereotypes you guys hate so much. Maybe dems haven't done so great either but a seat at the table is better than none you have to admit.

Yeah. Trump plainly hates minorities. I guess that explains why we now have the lowest black unemployment in history and the growing support of Trump in the black community.

As to stereotypes, they are, in this case, the same thing as racially prejudiced views. I don't really care much about them. I look at it as someone else's problem.

I think he is more selfish than he is a hater, but uses the stereotypes, fear and hatred of others to get what he wants, so it's not just somebody else's problem.

I think he is more selfish than he is a hater, but uses the stereotypes, fear and hatred of others to get what he wants, so it's not just somebody else's problem.

Kind of like Obama did when he referred to those who were clinging to their guns and religion? Kind of like that?

Naw, more like Obama is a Muslim born in Africa, or Mexican judges can't be fair to the dufus or immigrants are rapists, or Ukraine colluded with dems against the dufus, or talk to Rudy or Barr and help them get dirt on the Bidens. Or even "I created the greatest economy the world has ever known".

I could keep going but you get my drift, but will never admit the lies the dufus has told in just 3 years that makes any other human in history an angel in comparison.

I'll be happy to get honest about Trump when you can bring yourself to get honest about Obama. At least Trump has not lied about negligence which led to the deaths of four Americans.


makes any othe r human in history an angel in comparison.

Yeah. It reminds us of those "angels" such as Pol Pot, Hitler and Stalin. Good grief, Tal. Do you even bother to read what you post?

Benghazi is your version of reality, as well as how you treat the dufus and everything else we discuss. Unfortunately all your investigations and noise is just proof of repub incompetence that went nowhere. Like I said in the other thread, it's our turn and you better hope we are as feckless as you guys have been because if not, we dump the dufus.

Stay tuned!

Stay tuned!

Good advice.

Talaniman: Dufus being dumped? Not likely: Even now the Schiff Show is waning and the rest of "the pack" of wolves are having cold feet about actually VOTING for such a baseless accusation....and accusation which has changed form since its first inception.....Everyone likes to talk the talk but walking the walk is different story: Like him or not, TRUMP WALKS THE WAY HE TALKS: Did you see he signed the Pro-Democracy Bill on Hong Kong DESPITE THE CHICOM THREATS? TOLD HE REDS TO GO POUND RICE! Do you think Obama would have done that? HELL NO!

Talaniman: Dufus being dumped? Not likely: Even now the Schiff Show is waning and the rest of "the pack" of wolves are having cold feet about actually VOTING for such a baseless accusation....and accusation which has changed form since its first inception.....Everyone likes to talk the talk but walking the walk is different story: Like him or not, TRUMP WALKS THE WAY HE TALKS: Did you see he signed the Pro-Democracy Bill on Hong Kong DESPITE THE CHICOM THREATS? TOLD HE REDS TO GO POUND RICE! Do you think Obama would have done that? HELL NO!

You mean Trump found something everyone agreed on? remarkable, you all agreed to interfere in the affairs of another nation while you disagree on how to handle your own affairs. ROFLU! You accuse Russia and the Ukraine of meddling in your affairs while you meddle in the affairs of others. HYPROCRASY your name is AMERICA

Paraclete: Red China is one country that should be harassed AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY. Those bastards have had it way too their way for way too long a time. Just a few days ago YOU SAID that the ChiComs were INTEFERRING IN AUSTRALIAN ELECTIONS! ChiComs are a big problem: How do you solve big problems? YOU START, SOMEWHERE!

Paraclete: I detest Marxism....and that includes the biggest commie state of all in Red China.....Red China is the threat of threats but, yet, we have people who STILL want to chase Russia down a rabbit hole and they aren't even communist! I am proud to say that I had relatives, on both sides of my family, who did what they could to eliminate the commie scourge from this earth, through lead poisoning, no less. Its too bad that I could go back in time to Jolly Old England and put bullet between Karl Marx's eyes. You know, in this day and age where history is being white washed in the U.S. with the tearing down of statues, the Brits are STILL so proud of the giant turd called Karl Marx: He has a huge statue standing in England.....now that is truly disgusting but, at least they are owning up to having harbored and nurtured and given safe refuge to the POS!

Talaniman: Dufus being dumped? Not likely: Even now the Schiff Show is waning and the rest of "the pack" of wolves are having cold feet about actually VOTING for such a baseless accusation....and accusation which has changed form since its first inception.....Everyone likes to talk the talk but walking the walk is different story: Like him or not, TRUMP WALKS THE WAY HE TALKS: Did you see he signed the Pro-Democracy Bill on Hong Kong DESPITE THE CHICOM THREATS? TOLD HE REDS TO GO POUND RICE! Do you think Obama would have done that? HELL NO!

Nothing has changed, the message for impeachment is just being honed and WILL be presented to the senate soon enough. What has changed is the repubs defense of the dufus, which is falling apart as more EVIDENCE is being gathered. You know FACTS that the dufus tried to keep quiet? You can ignore it at your own peril all you want, but I doubt you can just dismiss it without consequence like you hope.

All criminals and bad guys deny their crimes and the dufus seems to have the jury rigged heavily in his favor, but the senate isn't the only ones to pass judgement. You wish it was.

Nothing has changed, the message for impeachment is just being honed and WILL be presented to the senate soon enough. What has changed is the repubs defense of the dufus, which is falling apart as more EVIDENCE is being gathered. You know FACTS that the dufus tried to keep quiet?

Do you engage in these fantasies very often? Having a Senate trial will be, in some ways, a windfall for the repubs. When they put people like Schiff and H Biden up there under oath, then the truth is going to start to come out and it won't be good for the dems.

JL: Is the Senate Trial a "Criminal Trial"? By that, I mean can a turd like HB be "uncovered" and set up to pursued in a criminal case? That would be great!

Talaniman: The Dufus, as you call President Trump, can always DEFER/APPEAL to SCOTUS and guess what? SCOTUS is decidedly leaning Right.....and its only going to get worse when RBG goes down: Trump will appoint someone even further to the Right than Judge who is on there now: The Courts scare the pure hell out of the left.

Do you engage in these fantasies very often? Having a Senate trial will be, in some ways, a windfall for the repubs. When they put people like Schiff and H Biden up there under oath, then the truth is going to start to come out and it won't be good for the dems.

What an interesting fantasy you have concocted. Even if they Biden or Schiff could be compelled to testify, what bearing would that have on any charges against the dufus? That's right, NONE!


JL: Is the Senate Trial a "Criminal Trial"? By that, I mean can a turd like HB be "uncovered" and set up to pursued in a criminal case? That would be great!

Talaniman: The Dufus, as you call President Trump, can always DEFER/APPEAL to SCOTUS and guess what? SCOTUS is decidedly leaning Right.....and its only going to get worse when RBG goes down: Trump will appoint someone even further to the Right than Judge who is on there now: The Courts scare the pure hell out of the left.

You guys are really screwy today. There is no appeal to SCOTUS and sole judgement in an impeachment trial rests with the senate.

Talaniman: I asked because I didn't know.....O.K., now I know.

Biden and Schiff do have a bearing on events: All you have to ask is "Who is the CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER IN THE LAND?" If you think its head of the FBI, you are wrong! Its the POTUS! That means, if Trump thought Biden had committed sins in Ukraine or any other damned place in the world, it is Trump's right, NO, HIS OBLIGATION TO HIS OFFICE, to go find out what the hell BIDEN did and to get as much information on the CRIMES THAT BIDEN COMMITTED so that he can be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law! By conditions of The Office Of The President, Trump can go after Schiff for all his filthy leaking of information and his underhanded, illegal acts. TRUMP IS STILL THE MAN WITH THE BIG STICK!

I will repeat, there is a process by which our government can investigate foreigners, and Americans in a foreign land and that was not, and has NOT been done. It starts with the DOJ asking the foreign government formally to do so and certainly not with a do me a favor phone call from the Prez. In addition, there is a formal process to with hold financial or military aid to a foreign government that the congress and the defense dept has to review and the Prez has to sign. That was done so if there were questions the dufus should have raised them before he signed the thing and certainly not through OMB after the fact or in secret. That also requires a formal notice to the congress which was NOT done and that was against the law. Here's the LAW again, that you obviously missed. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_o f_1974)


'Title X of the Act, also known as the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, specifies that the President may request that Congress rescind appropriated funds. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_House_of_Representatives) have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Congress is not required to vote on the request, and has ignored most Presidential requests.[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_o f_1974#cite_note-4) In response, some[who? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Words_to_watch#Unsupported_attributions)] have called for a line item veto (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_item_veto) to strengthen the rescission power and force Congress to vote on the disputed funds.The Act was passed in response to feelings in Congress that President Nixon was abusing his power of impoundment (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impoundment_of_appropriated_funds) by withholding funding of programs he opposed. The Act, especially after Train v. City of New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Train_v._City_of_New_York) (1975), effectively removed the presidential power of impoundment.[5] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_o f_1974#cite_note-5)In late November 2019, the obscure Impoundment Control Act made news during the Trump impeachment investigation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_inquiry_against_Donald_Trump), as two budget office staffers resigned over their concerns over apparent improprieties regarding the hold of approved Ukraine military funds. Among the concerns was the questionable transfer of decision-making authority to a political appointee.[6] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_o f_1974#cite_note-6)[7] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_o f_1974#cite_note-7)[8] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_o f_1974#cite_note-8)[9] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Budget_and_Impoundment_Control_Act_o f_1974#cite_note-9)"

So the notion the dufus has unlimited unrestricted power and authority is BOGUS! By that measure the congress under article I of the constitution has as MUCH power as the dufus, so Schiff and the boys and girls are certainly equal as the prez, since they own the big stick in the House.

So the notion the dufus has unlimited unrestricted power and authority is BOGUS! By that measure the congress under article I of the constitution has as MUCH power as the dufus, so Schiff and the boys and girls are certainly equal as the prez, since they own the big stick in the House.



I didn't see all that transpired here before your post, but your post was excellent and to the point. I would only add that the president is NOT the chief law enforcement officer of the USA. That honor belongs to the Attorney General. AG Barr is the one who wants to make Trump a King above the law. Barr's knowledge of the law shows an amazing ignorance.

I didn't see all that transpired here before your post, but your post was excellent and to the point. I would only add that the president is NOT the chief law enforcement officer of the USA. That honor belongs to the Attorney General. AG Barr is the one who wants to make Trump a King above the law. Barr's knowledge of the law shows an amazing ignorance.

Or intentional butt kissing! That can be said of all the repubs though.

Or intentional butt kissing! That can be said of all the repubs though.

Says the man who never passes up a chance to do so with Mr. Obama.


What an interesting fantasy you have concocted. Even if they Biden or Schiff could be compelled to testify, what bearing would that have on any charges against the dufus? That's right, NONE!

They're not worried about the so-called "case" against the pres. There is no case. Here's what I'd like to ask Mr. Schiff. "Mr. Schiff, you claimed on a number of occasions to be concerned lest someone release the name of the whistle blower, yet you also claimed you did not know the WB's name. If you did not know his name, then how would you have known if someone had released his identity?"

Yep. The whole sorry mess will become evident in the Senate. No wonder Pelosi did not want to go this route.

Congress, nor Senate, in any conceivable way, hold the absolute power of the POTUS:

1) POTUS has EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE: Congress has no such privilege.
2) POTUS can declare EXECUTIVE ORDERS: Congress can declare nothing
3) POTUS can call for emergency military strikes: Congress can call no military strikes
4) POTUS can launch Nuclear strikes: Congress will never have that power
5) POTUS can declare a National Emergency anytime he wishes: Congress can not declare a national emergency
6) POTUS can declare Marshall Law: Congress cannot declare Marshall Law

If the crazies on the left really go off the deep end and the left's Antifa branch takes the decision to try and destabilize the country, POTUS could declare them to be a terroristic threat and hunt them down WITHOUT RIGHT TO ANY DUE PROCESS as they demonstrate contempt to the peace and tranquility of the nation.

The EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE portion of POTUS' power has deprived Congress of witnesses in the IMPEACHMENT hearing and there is nothing Congress can do about it: They can do nothing, they are toothless tigers, powerless! Despite Schiff's enormous ego: SCHIFF IS A EUNUCH COMPARED TRUMP....its like comparing a GELDING TO A STUD!

Congress, nor Senate, in any conceivable way, hold the absolute power of the POTUS:

1) POTUS has EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE: Congress has no such privilege.
2) POTUS can declare EXECUTIVE ORDERS: Congress can declare nothing
3) POTUS can call for emergency military strikes: Congress can call no military strikes
4) POTUS can launch Nuclear strikes: Congress will never have that power
5) POTUS can declare a National Emergency anytime he wishes: Congress can not declare a national emergency
6) POTUS can declare Marshall Law: Congress cannot declare Marshall Law

If the crazies on the left really go off the deep end and the left's Antifa branch takes the decision to try and destabilize the country, POTUS could declare them to be a terroristic threat and hunt them down WITHOUT RIGHT TO ANY DUE PROCESS as they demonstrate contempt to the peace and tranquility of the nation.

The EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE portion of POTUS' power has deprived Congress of witnesses in the IMPEACHMENT hearing and there is nothing Congress can do about it: They can do nothing, they are toothless tigers, powerless! Despite Schiff's enormous ego: SCHIFF IS A EUNUCH COMPARED TRUMP....its like comparing a GELDING TO A STUD!

and yet they are trying to geld PONTUS

Geez Vac, congress can over ride or block the executive in every case you have pointed out. I thought you knew that. Everybody else does. Maybe not Clete, or the dufus, but everybody else does.

Whether the congress exercises it's authority or not is another question.

Says the man who never passes up a chance to do so with Mr. Obama.

Someday I may have to defend the dufus against outrageous lies and false statements as I have with most past presidents.


They're not worried about the so-called "case" against the pres. There is no case. Here's what I'd like to ask Mr. Schiff. "Mr. Schiff, you claimed on a number of occasions to be concerned lest someone release the name of the whistle blower, yet you also claimed you did not know the WB's name. If you did not know his name, then how would you have known if someone had released his identity?"

Yep. The whole sorry mess will become evident in the Senate. No wonder Pelosi did not want to go this route.

What will also be very apparent is answering the charges against the dufus, which will be revealed soon despite the attacks by repubs on the process, which is duly authorized in the constitution. The rest of that right wing noise don't float.

What will also be very apparent is answering the charges against the dufus, which will be revealed soon despite the attacks by repubs on the process, which is duly authorized in the constitution. The rest of that right wing noise don't float.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

Talaniman: That's not what I said: I didn't say that CONGRESS could BLOCK the POTUS, what I said was is that Congress cannot do anything BY THEMSELVES LIKE THE POTUS CAN. And you are incorrect about Emergency Military Strikes, Nuclear Strikes, and Marshall Law: POTUS doesn't have to have anyone's permission to do those: Remember, Trump took out filthy bearded Bagdaddi without mentioning it to Congress: Congress is a bureaucracy right now and they are a log-jam of red tape that is inconsistent with the welfare of the country at this point, so EXPECT Trump to bypass them at every opportunity until they "get over" whatever is ailing them right now....they are an impediment to progress that needs to get fixed.

Good luck. You're gonna need it.

It's the dufus who will need a lot of luck since he will be charged and have to answer those charges and given his non aptitude for the truth he will need a lot more than luck but also every vote the senate can give him. There are consequences for defending a known liar and cheater, of which all you dufus supporters will have to face.

Talaniman: That's not what I said: I didn't say that CONGRESS could BLOCK the POTUS, what I said was is that Congress cannot do anything BY THEMSELVES LIKE THE POTUS CAN. And you are incorrect about Emergency Military Strikes, Nuclear Strikes, and Marshall Law: POTUS doesn't have to have anyone's permission to do those: Remember, Trump took out filthy bearded Bagdaddi without mentioning it to Congress: Congress is a bureaucracy right now and they are a log-jam of red tape that is inconsistent with the welfare of the country at this point, so EXPECT Trump to bypass them at every opportunity until they "get over" whatever is ailing them right now....they are an impediment to progress that needs to get fixed.

I can agree to a small point, the congress and POTUS have separate but equal responsibilities for sure and enumerated in the constitution, and POTUS can do nothing when the House exercises it's oversight, and impeachment duties, except what the dufus is doing now, which is obstruction, by not letting lawful subpoenas to be executed. That's why it's in court. Results to follow. Taking bets who has the law on their side?

Talaniman: If it goes to SCOTUS, its a safe bet that its going to be in TRUMP'S FAVOR all the way! This is only going to get worse with RBG's demise, and you can take that to the bank.

It's not going to SCOTUS. WHY WOULD it? How could it?

Talaniman: If the Senate Trial is an ACTUAL TRIAL, then its results will always be within the reach of the SCOTUS.

Talaniman: If the Senate Trial is an ACTUAL TRIAL, then its results will always be within the reach of the SCOTUS.
Check your Civics textbook. That's not how this works.

An impeachment proceeding is the formal process by which a sitting president of the United States may be accused of wrongdoing. It is a political process and not a criminal process.

Talaniman: If the Senate Trial is an ACTUAL TRIAL, then its results will always be within the reach of the SCOTUS.

Shouldn't you look this stuff up before you blurt out a statement? What's up with you southerners and homework? Glad I was born in the MIDWEST.

O.K.....learn something new every day: The Chief Justice Of The United States (John Roberts) will preside over the Trial...that threw me off and so I extrapolated: NOT TOO SMART!