The White House ordered the name of the USS McCain covered by a tarp during Trump's visit to Japan. The sailors were told to cover the name of the ship on their caps. Those who had the ship name on their caps were not admitted to the ceremony. There is no end to this bozo's narcissism.

Verified by the Wall Street Journal.

one day there will be a USS Trump we can hope it will be a garbage scow

Reported this morning that an aid requested this from the Pentagon, unknown to the dufus, but are his aids that worried about pleasing the boss? That's pretty nuts to me, but par for the course it seems for this insane WH!

Reported this morning that an aid requested this from the Pentagon, unknown to the dufus, yes it was a kiss a$$ underling presuming what Trump would want. The move doesn't only disrespect McCain ;it also disrespects all the sailors assigned to the boat .

so, respect, how does that work out

unfortunately too many people are taking their cues from the President . The down side to him being President is that he is a disgusting human .

No argument there.

U.S. Indo-Pacific Command was listed as to having given the order. Does not seem the White house issued the order. just someone in Navy over thinking and over stepping

and now the Navy is saying it did not happen. Does anyone have photo evidence or maybe testimonial from one of the crew ?

https://710wor.iheart.com/content/2019-05-30-uss-john-s-mccains-name-wasnt-covered-up-during-trump-visit/?Pname=local_social&Sc=editorial&Keyid=socialflow&fbclid=IwAR3Jqes7cK7GWi9xt-NYX3kHKWk4dzjUrfVwlt38CKs3LdZTqErOOEa2qWM

We've had worse.

In his memoirs, longtime Johnson aide George Reedy painted an ugly portrait of LBJ, accusing him of being a womanizing, perverted drunkard who delighted in having conversations with people while he sat on the toilet for the sole purpose of making them uncomfortable and bullying his staff to the point of sadism. Johnson was especially fond of whipping out his manhood, which he’d dubbed “Jumbo,” in mixed company. There is even a story, possibly apocryphal, that he urinated on a Secret Service agent’s leg, claiming it was his “prerogative.” Johnson’s behavior could be so reprehensible that it has been suggested that he was likely mentally ill, possessed of more “‘grandiose narcissism” than any other president in history.

Johnson’s behavior could be so reprehensible that it has been suggested that he was likely mentally ill, possessed of more “‘grandiose narcissism” than any other president in history.
At least LBJ spoke in full sentences and didn't tweet.

Must be a scary place to work when you have to cater to the boss to that extent. Unless you really believe the boss had nothing to do with it. With this boss you can never tell.

Must be a scary place to work when you have to cater to the boss to that extent



yup just ask Monica Lewinski ,Paula Jones ,Kathleen Willey ,Juanita Broaddrick ,Leslie Millwee

Or you could ask the dufus about Stormy and the bunny. This is current events after all.

Or you could ask the dufus about Stormy and the bunny. This is current events after all.
Irrelevant.


Neither of them had the opportunity to acquire the "Presidential knee pads."

So the solution is for the American people, having passed on the option of electing Saint Clinton, to vote in that paragon of virtue, Joe Biden?

Finding a bold, efficient, self-controlled, ethical, and high-character president is a tough undertaking. All this whining from the "vote Clinton" crowd gets old. If democrats want to complain about it, they might want to nominate a genuinely viable alternative.

In the meantime, both dems and repubs want to vote in infrastructure spending with, as usual, no idea of how to pay for it other than more borrowing. Every dem pres candidate has endorsed AOC's loony "Green New Deal", projected to cost a ridiculously impossible 90 trillion dollars. The national debt is now about 200 thou for every federal income tax payer. A day of reckoning is coming.

so they are going to settle for the flip-flop man, fourth time might be lucky. You know, when people say NO! NO! NO! you just have to listen to them

This whole thread illustrates what is tricky in American politics. It begins with,
Can You Believe This? It's True!, and ends with a statement that the WSJ had verified the story. Then it is pointed out that, no, it is not true, and so the WSJ must have had it wrong. Stories in the media seem to grow with a life of their own. By the time the truth comes out, everyone has grown weary of hearing about it and no longer cares. A careful, professional, unbiased media would be a wonderful thing.

"The Navy's spokesman, Adm. Charlie Brown, wrote on Twitter that the ship's name was not obscured on Memorial Day at the time of President Trump's visit.

"The name of USS John S. McCain was not obscured during the POTUS visit to Yokosuka on Memorial Day," Adm. Charlie Brown tweeted. "The Navy is proud of that ship, its crew, its namesake and its heritage."

This whole thread illustrates what is tricky in American politics. It begins with, , and ends with a statement that the WSJ had verified the story. Then it is pointed out that, no, it is not true, and so the WSJ must have had it wrong. Stories in the media seem to grow with a life of their own. By the time the truth comes out, everyone has grown weary of hearing about it and no longer cares. A careful, professional, unbiased media would be a wonderful thing.

"The Navy's spokesman, Adm. Charlie Brown, wrote on Twitter that the ship's name was not obscured on Memorial Day at the time of President Trump's visit.

"The name of USS John S. McCain was not obscured during the POTUS visit to Yokosuka on Memorial Day," Adm. Charlie Brown tweeted. "The Navy is proud of that ship, its crew, its namesake and its heritage."
A request to do so had been sent from the WH.

Isn't that what starts these boneheaded media frenzies in the first place? Some boneheaded words or antics by the WH?

This whole thread illustrates what is tricky in American politics. It begins with, , and ends with a statement that the WSJ had verified the story. Then it is pointed out that, no, it is not true, and so the WSJ must have had it wrong.

The thread has been confirmed not only by the WSJ but also by ABC News, UPI, AP and just about every other legitimate media outlet which covered and followed the story (including the cable news channels and FOX - Trump's private channel).

It must be hard on you to consistently put down on imperishable internet sites your errors and mistakes that are shown as such by verifiable accounts from dozens of other sources.

I don't know why you do this other than to follow Trump who is making a career of lying daily and then repeating such a lie a day later even after incontrovertible proof has been shown that his comment is a lie!

Thank you, WG, for also pointing out the error, and noting the source was Trump's White House.

Oh angry man, would ABC News be enough for you?

(WASHINGTON) -- Despite preliminary discussions to the contrary, U.S. Navy leaders decided not to cover up the name of the USS John S. McCain, as requested by the White House, prior to President Donald Trump's visit to Japan, U.S. officials told ABC News. http://abcnewsradioonline.com/politics-news/uss-john-s-mccains-name-was-not-covered-up-during-trump-visi.html

The only links I can find that say it was Trump are all many days old. There evidently was a request made by some lower official in the White House, but it was never carried out.


I don't know why you do this other than to follow Trump who is making a career of lying daily and then repeating such a lie a day later even after incontrovertible proof has been shown that his comment is a lie!

I do this because the truth is important. There is no evidence Trump lied about this. In your statement, you start off well enough by saying that the white house requested this, and then made your mistake by assuming it originated with Trump.

I actually was not making a statement against you. I was simply pointing out how the story had changed since about 10 days ago when it first became public. Calm down. The whole world is not against you.

Trump, June 9, 2019:

MEXICO HAS AGREED TO IMMEDIATELY BEGIN BUYING LARGE QUANTITIES OF AGRICULTURAL PRODUCT FROM OUR GREAT PATRIOT FARMERS!

*cough* America's agricultural exports to Mexico already total $18 billion. Trump is like a rooster taking credit for sunrise.


I do this because the truth is important. There is no evidence Trump lied about this. In your statement, you start off well enough by saying that the white house requested this, and then made your mistake by assuming it originated with Trump.
Where does Athos say the request originated with Trump?

Where does Athos say the request originated with Trump?


"There is no end to this bozo's narcissism." The statement would be senseless if he was not clearly intimating that Trump was the source of the order. Now I would agree that Trump is narcissistic, but this story does not lend support to that idea.


*cough* America's agricultural exports to Mexico already total $18 billion. Trump is like a rooster taking credit for sunrise.

Suppose they increase to 24 bil. Would that make Trump correct?

"There is no end to this bozo's narcissism." The statement would be senseless if he was not clearly intimating that Trump was the source of the order. Now I would agree that Trump is narcissistic, but this story does not lend support to that idea.
Is waltero sharing his comic books with you? Athos started out by saying, "The White House ordered the name of the USS McCain covered by a tarp during Trump's visit to Japan."

We all know the guy is narcissistic. As do his protective lackeys in the WH.

There is no end to this bozo's narcissism.

So what do you suppose he meant by that? The statement has to have some connection to his initial post. What does it mean? Why say it if it doesn't clearly convey the idea that the order originated with Trump?

Suppose they increase to 24 bil. Would that make Trump correct?
Nope!

Suppose the dufus just shuts up for a while. His silence would make him correct as compared to his lying exaggerations. I'd be happy!

So what do you suppose he meant by that? The statement has to have some connection to his initial post. What does it mean?
He meant Trump will do anything to inflate his own ego -- or have others help him do so. And yes, it was definitely in the realm of possibility and very believable that Trump ordered the covering of the ship name so he wouldn't have to see it.

Nope!

Yeah. I'm sure you're right. Who cares about a 33% increase in sales? Now if Obama had done that, you would be singing his praises.

Politics. Pure politics.


He meant Trump will do anything to inflate his own ego -- or have others help him do so. And yes, it was definitely in the realm of possibility and very believable that Trump ordered the covering of the ship name so he wouldn't have to see it.

It makes no sense to make the statement without conveying the idea that the order originated with Trump. Take off your liberal colored glasses.

Yeah. I'm sure you're right. Who cares about a 33% increase in sales? Now if Obama had done that, you would be singing his praises.

Politics. Pure politics.
If Obama had acted like Trump, I would have dumped him long ago, from the get-go. The agriculture reference was to avoid the immigration reference. You know how Trump deflects.


It makes no sense to make the statement without conveying the idea that the order originated with Trump. Take off your liberal colored glasses.
There's a very obvious way to rationally and reasonably counter what I said without insulting me. Sorry you're missing it.

If a person wants to demonstrate that Trump is a narcissist, why would he use an example of another person issuing an order? Your take just does not make sense.

Trump has done nothing that amounts to the gross mismanagement and indifference to American lives demonstrated by Obama and Clinton at Benghazi, and then the well-orchestrated, intentional lying that went on afterwards to insure Obama's reelection.

If a person wants to demonstrate that Trump is a narcissist, why would he use an example of another person issuing an order? Your take just does not make sense.

This was more an example of a dufus staffer either sucking up, or thinking the boss is to much an emotionally immature nincompoop that would embarrass himself in public over such a thing, or and we can never know the dufus lied when he said he had no knowledge of the order which he has done before. Like he had no knowledge of paying a porn star to shut up about an affair, okay any married man would do that or he had no knowledge of his staffers meeting Russians, or he was exonerated by the Mueller report.

Can't blame anyone for not believing a word he says.


Trump has done nothing that amounts to the gross mismanagement and indifference to American lives demonstrated by Obama and Clinton at Benghazi, and then the well-orchestrated, intentional lying that went on afterwards to insure Obama's reelection.

You wish! You just had to bring up that Benghazi BS to deflect from the CURRENT conversation, about the CURRENT prez, knowing good and darn NOBODY in HISTORY lies as much as the dufus! You are just wrong to keep beating that dead horse, since it's obvious the dufus has to stokes his right wing loony base so he can get re elected and stay out of jail himself.

Pure politics as you say? That's an accurate statement about the CURRENT state of affairs dufus style.

I brought it up because WG said, "If Obama had acted like Trump, I would have dumped him long ago, from the get-go", but the Benghazi incident was far worse than anything Trump has done and yet she seemed to have tolerated it quite well.

I brought it up because WG said, "If Obama had acted like Trump, I would have dumped him long ago, from the get-go", but the Benghazi incident was far worse than anything Trump has done and yet she seemed to have tolerated it quite well.
What about the Niger incident and Trump's shaming the widow of one of the four slain Green Berets?

1. In what way was Trump responsible for the Niger incident?

2. He was clumsy in what he said to the widow, but it did not cause any loss of life.

Interesting to me that you would bring up those incidents about Trump, but give Obama a complete pass about Benghazi. Like I said earlier, politics.

1. In what way was Trump responsible for the Niger incident?
When the soldiers were ambushed, no American helicopters came to their rescue. Although Congress had never authorized the mission in Niger -- as is required by the Constitution -- the military’s Africa command had asked lawmakers for more help months before the attack.

When the soldiers were ambushed, no American helicopters came to their rescue.

According the the military report, "Approximately one hour after taking fire, the team requested support. And within minutes, a remotely piloted aircraft arrived overhead. Within an hour, French Mirage jets arrived on station."

We can only wish that the Obama admin had responded with that kind of speed.


Although Congress had never authorized the mission in Niger -- as is required by the Constitution -- the military’s Africa command had asked lawmakers for more help months before the attack.

Asked who??? Trump, or lawmakers?

Who first put the troops into Niger? If you guessed Mr. Obama, you guessed right. So are you criticizing him for putting those troops into Niger?

NOBODY in HISTORY lies as much as the dufus!

And???

We built this society to be as it is. didn’t we?

There evidently was a request made by some lower official in the White House, but it was never carried out.... In your statement, you start off well enough by saying that the white house requested this, and then made your mistake by assuming it originated with Trump.


As WG pointed out, I did NOT say it originated with Trump. My comment was simply a general statement re Trump's narcissism. However, if it makes you happy, I DO believe it originated with Trump.

Trump's acting secretary of something or other Mulvey admitted on national television it originated from the White House. He then claimed it originated with "some second or third level" WH staff member. Yeah, right.

Does anyone really believe second or third level staff members issue orders or requests to the United States Navy without Trump's approval? Hardly. Even staff closest to Trump would run such an order by Trump. If there's anything we've learned about Trump he is an obsessive manager who wants to know about everything and forbids actions without his approval.

Telling a staff member to hide the name of the ship because it celebrated the McCain family is exactly something Trump would do - his modus operandi stretching far back into the Trump Organization. Cowardly, he gets others to do his dirty work, usually from his stable of lawyers, but any WH staff member will do.

I have no proof of this. It is my opinion.

God bless the Navy who recognized an idiotic order and refused to carry it out.

And???

We built this society to be as it is. didn’t we?

I think we were hoping for better but humans can always screw things up. Hope we keep at it though and do better, don't you? Now duck whilst I chunk some rocks at my friend JL,



Who first put the troops into Niger? If you guessed Mr. Obama, you guessed right. So are you criticizing him for putting those troops into Niger?


https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/us-troops-niger/story?id=50559788

Unlike you, I'm not blaming the dufus for casualties of war or his stupid behavior afterward, it speaks for itself but if you cannot balance that I really can only pray for you. You need all you can get. We all do, so return the favor LIBERALLY.

I don't think it originated with Trump. I don't think the Navy is in the habit of just ignoring a direct order from the Commander in Chief. That just doesn't pass the smell test.

Tal, we can pray for each other. Great idea and I'm in.


Unlike you, I'm not blaming the dufus for casualties of war or his stupid behavior afterward,

I've blamed Trump??? I wasn't aware I had done so.

That was my point. You are so stuck on one tragic event, and ignoring the many others NOW, and that certainly defies my logic. To you, the dufus has and cannot do anything that gives you pause and that's particularly troubling considering your social stances on behavior by others, but I fully understand tribal hyper partisanship, and the frustrations we all are going through.

No need to dismiss us because we disagree. You of all people, HC and Obama )Liberals?) hating as you are, should understand how any dem would feel at the antics of this lying, cheating, cruel egomaniac you fall behind.

I guess we all have our agendas, nothing new there, but just saying, the rocks you throw comes back to you so DUCK! Nothing personal 8)

I don't think it originated with Trump. I don't think the Navy is in the habit of just ignoring a direct order from the Commander in Chief. That just doesn't pass the smell test.


You were probably never in the military. Am I right? You don't understand the military mind-set. No one in the military is required to obey an unlawful order even if it originates with the Commander-in-Chief. In fact, they have an affirmative duty to disobey.

You need a better smeller.

That was my point. You are so stuck on one tragic event, and ignoring the many others NOW, and that certainly defies my logic. To you, the dufus has and cannot do anything that gives you pause and that's particularly troubling considering your social stances on behavior by others,

If we can agree that both Obama and Trump have committed egregious acts, then that is fine. It is only when a person states that she would have dumped Obama for doing what Trump did when Obama did WORSE than Trump that I find it objectionable.

Politics.


. No one in the military is required to obey an unlawful order even if it originates with the Commander-in-Chief. In fact, they have an affirmative duty to disobey.

An order being stupid is not the same as an order being unlawful. If Trump had given the order, it would have been obeyed. No one in the military wants to be the guy who disobeyed the pres.

An order being stupid is not the same as an order being unlawful. If Trump had given the order, it would have been obeyed.

You still don't get it. This order was stupid AND unlawful.


No one in the military wants to be the guy who disobeyed the pres.

Two admirals disagree with you. When they heard the White House gave the order, who do you think they thought it came from? Donald Duck?

You still don't get it. This order was stupid AND unlawful.

Unlawful in what way? I haven't read a lot on this but I haven't seen anyone suggest the order was unlawful. Also have seen no real evidence that it originated with Trump.


Two admirals disagree with you. When they heard the White House gave the order, who do you think they thought it came from? Donald Duck?

I imagine they thought it came from the person who signed the request/order. These things don't just float around in an anonymous manner. I'm pretty sure Donald Duck did not sign the order.

What two admirals are you referring to?

Unlawful in what way? I haven't read a lot on this but I haven't seen anyone suggest the order was unlawful.

An order to use a United States Warship for political purposes against a political opponent is unlawful.


Also have seen no real evidence that it originated with Trump.

It came from the WHITE HOUSE! Who do you think is in charge of the WH and would approve of such an order?


I imagine they thought it came from the person who signed the request/order. These things don't just float around in an anonymous manner.

FINALLY, you're beginning to understand. Of course they don't float around anonymously. No matter who signs it, Trump approves it. Third-level staffers don't give orders to the US Navy.


I'm pretty sure Donald Duck did not sign the order.

Good Grief !!


What two admirals are you referring to?

Look them up.

An order to use a United States Warship for political purposes against a political opponent is unlawful.

You are exaggerating on an enormously high level, also known as taking a wild guess


It came from the WHITE HOUSE! Who do you think is in charge of the WH and would approve of such an order?

If you think Trump approves every order that proceeds out of the White House, then you are really mistaken. It doesn't work that way.

In telling me to look up the names of the admirals, I suspect you are admitting you don't have the slightest idea who they are.

In telling me to look up the names of the admirals, I suspect you are admitting you don't have the slightest idea who they are.
I googled and found their names in less than five minutes (that long because I had to adjust my keywords).
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Athos: It came from the WHITE HOUSE! Who do you think is in charge of the WH and would approve of such an order?


JL: If you think Trump approves every order that proceeds out of the White House, then you are really mistaken. It doesn't work that way.

Athos said, "such an order".
JL said, "every order".

Methinks JL misquoted Athos, changing the wording and meaning.

Methinks JL misquoted Athos, changing the wording and meaning.

Splitting hairs, but I will admit you have a valid if minuscule point.


I googled and found their names in less than five minutes

Fine. Who were they? Who were the two admirals who knowing, as Athos said, the order came from the pres, just decided to ignore it. Who were they?

Splitting hairs, but I will admit you have a valid if minuscule point.
You just can't bring yourself to do it, can you.

Fine. Who were they? Who were the two admirals who knowing, as Athos said, the order came from the pres, just decided to ignore it. Who were they?
I'm not going to do your homework for you!

I'm not going to do your homework for you!

Code for, "I don't know." Well, don't feel too badly. I don't think anyone else knows either. But if you can find where an admiral publicly stated he defied an order from the President of the United States (not the "White House"), I would surely like to see it.

Code for, "I don't know." Well, don't feel too badly. I don't think anyone else knows either. But if you can find where an admiral publicly stated he defied an order from the President of the United States (not the "White House"), I would surely like to see it.
As my grandfather would say, "You're full of applesauce." Of course I know! I'm a librarian and looked it up. You think you're so tricky with your psychology. (Btw, no one "feels badly"; it's "feels bad.")

As my grandfather would say, "You're full of applesauce." Of course I know! I'm a librarian and looked it up. You think you're so tricky with your psychology. (Btw, no one "feels badly"; it's "feels bad.")

First of all, I really like applesauce. Secondly, I can tell you know by your refusal to post the names.

Psychology? Nah. I don't care about this little game. If you know, then post it. If not, then don't. I really don't care if the story is true or not. I doubt Trump gave the order, but if he did, then it was just an exercise in stupidity. No one died, and no money was wasted. Compared to the IRS scandal or the Veteran's scandal, it is less than nothing. I don't like Trump and never have. He's the worst kind of narcissist, but watching the Trump haters has become a hobby. Those like you who loved Obama after all the scandals he had in office, but then want to practically fall over in a dead faint over the supposed covering of a ship's name mystify me. Truth is, his greatest sin was beating the person that the liberal world thought had the election in the bag. You just can't get over it, and I guess I can understand that to some point. I'm tempted to say it all comes down to politics, but there is a current of hatred in much of the anti-Trump dialogue that is really ugly. And while that was also true with Obama, the passion of the "we hate Trump" crowd is breathtaking.

Evasiveness does not serve you well.

If you're referring to Admiral Brown, he did not claim to have ignored a command from the pres.

Splitting hairs, but I will admit you have a valid if minuscule point.


Well, you're half right.

Valid? Indeed! Miniscule? Not hardly!

It is, in fact, a major point, and perfectly germane to the discussion.

I still think it's splitting hairs to some degree, but perhaps I missed your meaning. I would admit it had more significance than I initially thought, but by no means shows that the order originated with Trump. That's just opinion.

I'm still waiting to hear the name of the admiral who said he disobeyed an order from Trump.

Don't their actions speak louder than their words?

Don't their actions speak louder than their words?

Evidently they speak louder than even their names!

What two admirals are you referring to?

I think one of them was Colonel T. Wisenheimer.

I only wish Trump Had Ordered it, that would have been Hilarious.
Be great if Trump were to order the Ship to be painted Pink with purple dots.
Not much Difference having the United states military put on UN uniforms.



"Can You Believe This? It's True!"

Trump is The Commander and Chief! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk...Eat it Suckers!


Must be Trump-Man: Into the Trump-Verse.

Yes it is. Where do you think you are? Welcome to Trump-Verse...A new reality (what else could it be) for all who experienced that stunning victory. You are welcome, for saving you from that Horrid Hillary.

Evidently they speak louder than even their names!

What? You expect the top brass to hold a press conference to blast their boss? Rather foolish, when all you have to do is ignore stupidity and do your job.


I think one of them was Colonel T. Wisenheimer.

I only wish Trump Had Ordered it, that would have been Hilarious.
Be great if Trump were to order the Ship to be painted Pink with purple dots.
Not much Difference having the United states military put on UN uniforms.



"Can You Believe This? It's True!"

Trump is The Commander and Chief! Nyuk Nyuk Nyuk...Eat it Suckers!



Yes it is. Where do you think you are? Welcome to Trump-Verse...A new reality (what else could it be) for all who experienced that stunning victory. You are welcome, for saving you from that Horrid Hillary.

Glad to see your having a good time. You're still a nut! 8D

What? You expect the top brass to hold a press conference to blast their boss? Rather foolish, when all you have to do is ignore stupidity and do your job.

I'm responding to the claims by WG and Athos that they had the names of two admirals who had, as I understood, publicly stated they violated a direct command from the pres. No, I don't think there are admirals out there who have done that.

You're still a nut! 8D


That made me laugh. Right to the point. LOL.


I'm responding to the claims by WG and Athos that they had the names of two admirals who had, as I understood, publicly stated they violated a direct command from the pres. No, I don't think there are admirals out there who have done that.


You're changing the wording again - just as I was about to provide one of the names for you to research. Your comment decided against that.

However, there's still a chance for you.

If you ask nicely, I may reconsider.

Glad to see your having a good time. You're still a nut! 8D

Yes, I should fit in nicely.

I do enjoy your lambasting Trump.

You're changing the wording again - just as I was about to provide one of the names for you to research. Your comment decided against that.

However, there's still a chance for you.

If you ask nicely, I may reconsider.

I'll make life easy for you. I don't care. I don't think you have the name of an admiral who said he just ignored an order from Trump which was your original assertion. If you do, post it. If not, then don't. Or go out and eat a nice dinner. Up to you. One way or the other, this whole thing is about 1/100,000 as important as Benghazi.

I'll make life easy for you. I don't care.


You don't care? You cudda fooled me.

And you didn't ask nicely, did you?

No soup for you.