The blond bogeyman - every child's nightmare.

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Does anyone really care or is it all politics, it looks like propaganda

Does anyone really care or is it all politics, it looks like propaganda


Millions of people worldwide are repelled by Trump's callous treatment of children, probably leading to lifelong difficulties according to expert pediatricians. He is using these children for nothing more than political advantage.

The mistreatment has been verified by videos, audios, and hundreds of on-site witnesses. The truth is not propaganda!

Apparently, only you and a smattering of the uncaring right-wing think it's made up. Even some of the State News (FOX) is joining in the worldwide condemnation.

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What's up with the cheap jacket?


I initially deleted my reply because I couldn't believe Mrs. Trump would do anything so indecent as the FLOTUS quote implies. Now that I've read a number of articles about the jacket, I'm confused.

She has previously made a statement with her choice of dress. Her husband claims she is commenting on the "fake news". Well, we can all dismiss that out of hand - her husband has a marked propensity to make stuff up to satisfy whatever he is thinking at the moment.

Furthermore, Mrs. Trump is not one to casually select the clothing she will wear in public. She is sending a message, but what message?

It turns out that her actual televised visit was something in the nature of propaganda since it took place at a teenage facility where, we were assured, all the detainees are happy in this place they call "home". "Home". That was the actual word used by the guard.

Not a word about the issue at hand - the treatment and whereabouts of the 2,000+ babies and toddlers.

Plus the news about the government moving the disappeared children to military bases. Other detention locations being managed by for-profit organizations where the money has top priority resulting in bad food among other not-so-good treatment.

This last piece of information said the for-profit management began with the Bush administration and continued all through the Obama administration - and into today's administration. This just gets worse and worse.

Apparently, only you and a smattering of the uncaring right-wing think it's made up. Even some of the State News (FOX) is joining in the worldwide condemnation.

What I think is made up is the angst over this, separating children from their parents is not a great idea, however locking up illegal immigrants is. What has been wrong with your program is you have allowed these people into the community thereby sending a message, which basically says, come anyway, you will just get a slap on the wrist, and you also set up sanctuaries, also sending the same message and you wonder why you have a problem which is going to take some hard decisions to fix. If you really wanted it fixed there would be a bipartisan solution worked out, but you would rather ply political football and stuff the people caught in the middle

You lock up criminals, not make criminals out of victims of failed governments. That's the flaw in YOUR thinking. You confuse INVADERS with REFUGEES.

Do I have to start schooling you on what YOUR bibles says is the right thing to do? You are right about the angst though that has been TRUMPED up way out of proportion for consumption by the easily influenced few in the right wing who like you, are scared sh!tless of other people.

The rest of us are outraged by this show of callous disregard for desperate humans with no place to turn.

I'm not scared of other people, but I want them to respect our laws when they come here. What you have is a few refugees and many, many, economic migrants. To escape their refugee problem all they have to do is walk over the border, but the Mexicans who cross the border are not refugees, this is where you are confused between the victims of wars and those who want what you have.

I don't show callous disregard, many refugees are welcomed in my country every year as are migrants, but there is a process because there are among them war criminals, liars and the criminal class and we do not have be ability to resettle millions.

As to the Bible it says look after the foreigner amongst you, not import them from other places, so we do this. You have heard of giving alms, haven't you, this we do too, helping people in other places, so don't quote a book you don't believe in to me. The duty of the Christian is to preach the gospel as well as helping the sick and infirm and so on. I don't see where you have to welcome invaders and those with no respect for your laws

You are sorely misinformed. We have many refugees and fewer and fewer economic migrants. Fact is there are families on both sides and a vast number of Americans and Mexicans who work on the other side of our border. I don't know how you or anyone else can get things so conflated and out of proportion, but the notion of millions is absurd, and maybe it would help if you would explore the facts of the central American triangle and not just rely on those with bigoted and racists ideas and agendas. I mean no ones is importing foreigners, assuming you mean don't LEGAL immigrants, but to assume 3rd world poor people escaping death and slavery have a sophisticated knowledge of your or my laws, let alone the mastery of language is just as absurd.

They may not have had the TIME or means to prepare to be good citizens while they run for their lives, so why do you hold that against them? I suppose it's easier to judge the actions of another when they cannot toe the line of your expectations, especially after a long hard arduous trip which the Dufus describes as a walk in the park. By sea or land its still a life threatening risk and many have died trying to make it.

I don't know how those FACTS can be dismissed by you hardline immigration supporters. Unless the only thing that matters are your own feelings on the matter and facts be damned.

Tal my reference to millions in the context of the numbers of displaced people in the world and also in regard to the numbers of illegal immigrants reported over there. I don't think people are unaware of basic laws which require that you require a visa and identification to enter. I doubt anyone embarks on a journey without some facts even those gleaned from talking to friends. There are many people who have money to pay people smugglers and these people have every intention of breaking what ever laws might exist so they place themselves in danger. I don't know how you can lightly dismiss these facts and want to open your doors and take responsibility for them

Fact. The US economy is dynamic enough to accommodate the immigrants. Another FACT is that we actually NEED MORE.

Legality is a matter of whose making the law, and WHY and a shameful FACT is we are notorious for making discriminatory and unfair laws here since our inception. Our entire history since founding has marginalized one group or another which makes a joke of the very Constitution to which we swear an oath too.

In truth those words were written to guide us to perfection, NOT declare we are perfect. The words IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION is a GOAL, a path, that fully recognizes a long hard journey, and many disagree and the debate rages on loud and raucous even if the blood and guts has ended for the most part (:I). I'm not bragging when I say we have surpassed many older nations on our way to higher potential, so don't hold your breath waiting for yet another "empire" to fail, or The Mad King Dufus will not got by truth and JUSTICE.

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I actually like the term you used "displaced people". Much more accurate and human than ILLEGALS.

Fact. The US economy is dynamic enough to accommodate the immigrants. Another FACT is that we actually NEED MORE.

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In truth those words were written to guide us to perfection, NOT declare we are perfect. The words IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION is a GOAL, a path, that fully recognizes a long hard journey...

Two very good points, especially the second one, which should be read and understood by all strict constructionists.

Fact. The US economy is dynamic enough to accommodate the immigrants. Another FACT is that we actually NEED MORE.

Legality is a matter of whose making the law, and WHY and a shameful FACT is we are notorious for making discriminatory and unfair laws here since our inception. Our entire history since founding has marginalized one group or another which makes a joke of the very Constitution to which we swear an oath too.

In truth those words were written to guide us to perfection, NOT declare we are perfect. The words IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION is a GOAL, a path, that fully recognizes a long hard journey, and many disagree and the debate rages on loud and raucous even if the blood and guts has ended for the most part (:I). I'm not bragging when I say we have surpassed many older nations on our way to higher potential, so don't hold your breath waiting for yet another "empire" to fail, or The Mad King Dufus will not got by truth and JUSTICE.

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I actually like the term you used "displaced people". Much more accurate and human than ILLEGALS.


I'm glad for you that your economy is so buoyant it can take on all comers, it makes no sense that your government speaks of rejecting 'immigrants" who don't have the right paperwork and so I wonder why there is debate. I sense that things are not as transparent as you claim and that all you are really doing is adding to the poor and destitute within your borders. This is aspirational for some, no doubt, I wonder what the people in the rust belt think, do they have employment for these new comers?

Go Ahead, give California and Texas back to the Mexicans, and what will happen is those people will want to move somewhere else, bitten by the restless bug, no doubt. Have they started building favillas in Texas? They will get to it, perhaps this is what the government wants to avoid

I think you would sing a different tune if those you want to welcome were Muslims with no intention of assimilating your culture

I think you would sing a different tune if those you want to welcome were Muslims with no intention of assimilating your culture.
I've never met a Muslim who didn't blend into our culture. And each adds so much!

I've never met a Muslim who didn't blend into our culture. And each adds so much!

Well good for you, ask the people of Dearborn what they think, Oh you can't they are all Muslim

Sharia is for their own community.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/30/dearborn-michigan-sharia-law-satire_n_4179045.html.

Also -

But for the last half-decade, Dearborn has been the unwilling darling of the extreme right, a bogeyman invoked to perpetuate the ersatz notion that sharia law, a system of justice derived from the Koran, has gained a foothold on American soil (http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/frank-gaffney-dearborn-michigan-no-go-zone).
https://www.thedailybeast.com/dearborn-mi-where-muslims-areamericans

Hard to know which piece of fake news to believe isn't it

Guess we'd have to visit and check it out for ourselves. I tend to believe the preponderance of info that says Sharia isn't a big deal there.

You could try to stop listening to right wing loony racists. Seriously though, the thought of your grandkids looking like the people you kicked and dogged out for a few centuries can be rather traumatic.

Hard to know which piece of fake news to believe isn't it

Not so hard if you do your due diligence and don't parade expressions from Trump like "fake news" which immediately reveals your true inclinations.


Guess we'd have to visit and check it out for ourselves. I tend to believe the preponderance of info that says Sharia isn't a big deal there..

I've already visited. I lived in Dearborn for a year representing my company with the big three automotives. Ford is headquartered in Dearborn.

Walking down the street you would never suspect that Dearborn is anything but a typical American midwest city. I'm sure there were mosques there when I was there but I never saw them. I never knew the religion of my neighbors. I can guarantee you there was no Sharia law there. There were good restaurants - probably due to Ford HQ being there.

I was aware that an Arab-American community thrived there, but nobody cared much about that then. If memory serves, most of the Arabs were Christians (Maronite Catholics) and had been in Dearborn since the 1920s. They were drawn to work in the automobile plants with the children of many becoming executives and managers.

It's true that over the years Muslims from the Middle East have tended to come to Dearborn, especially in the last ten years with wars in Yemen and Syria. Recently, the alt-right has targeted Dearborn as a hotbed of Muslim intrigue and terrorism without a scintilla of proof. It's simply the way the alt-right operates.

It's a bit like blaming Boston with its heavily Irish population being a setting for terrorists planning on bombing the Brits. During "The Troubles", an IRA member may have landed in Boston seeking money or recruits but there's never been any record of such an event. The Boston Irish-Americans went about their business just as the Dearborn Arab-Americans have done.

Can anybody answer the question of why the members of congress and state officials are denied access to these immigrant detention centers? The first lady wasn't denied access. What's wrong with that picture?

Scott demands answers about immigrant center for children as Nelson alleges federal 'cover up' - Sun Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-nelson-homestead-facility-20180619-story.html)

Can anybody answer the question of why the members of congress and state officials are denied access to these immigrant detention centers? The first lady wasn't denied access. What's wrong with that picture?

Scott demands answers about immigrant center for children as Nelson alleges federal 'cover up' - Sun Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-reg-nelson-homestead-facility-20180619-story.html)

Tal it's an election year and obviously these politicians want the publicity for being seen to be caring. So why should they be allowed to grandstand?

You hear that all the ho ha about the kid in the picture was false the kid wasn't taken away from the parent. it is no wonder trump talks about the MSM creating fake news and this time they succeeded in their objective. Government by media, it's a bad scene

Makes sense Clete since the Mad Dufus King fancies himself a dictator who answers to no one. Shortly after posting my question though delegates of democrats did get into some facilities and of course they came away blasting the MDK's policy. The repubs were nowhere to be found though except the old line establishment types who called for the Dufus Cult to be reduced this election.

We'll see.

So why should they be allowed to grandstand?
And the First Lady accomplished what?

And the First Lady accomplished what?

A cutie patooty photo op, with an ill timed(?) fashion statement, what else?

Who knows, a photo op?

You hear that all the ho ha about the kid in the picture was false the kid wasn't taken away from the parent.


You're right and I'm sorry I posted it. It was obviously photoshopped and DID make a valid point, but it was misleading in that the child was assumed to be one of the lost ones. He wasn't. TIME is supporting its decision but I think they're defending a weak position.

In any case, this is not even remotely a "proof" of fake news in the sense Trump has been trumpeting for a few years now. His definition of fake news, to remind you, is news that criticizes him! Even if it's truer than true, it's still fake!

The MSM from time to time will be in error but the difference is that they admit it. Colludin' Donald is incapable of admitting error.

The MSM from time to time will be in error but the difference is that they admit it. Colludin' Donald is incapable of admitting error

It begs the question; How much more of what we are expected to believe as news is fake, made up or "error". Too much propaganda which is exactly what this was. Inexcusable

It begs the question; How much more of what we are expected to believe as news is fake, made up or "error". Too much propaganda which is exactly what this was. Inexcusable



Nothing inexcusable about it - as I said, its point is perfectly valid.

If you're looking for inexcusable, try Colludin' Donald for the last 30 or 40 years. The man is a walking "Vesuvius of mendacities" as George Will so aptly put it as the former Republican urged the nation to vote Democratic in the 2018 elections.

Fact. The US economy is dynamic enough to accommodate the immigrants. Another FACT is that we actually NEED MORE. So how many 'displaced people' have you taken into your home ? How many refugee children have you adopted ? What you mean is that you want someone else (preferably a rich person ) to pay for your empathy .

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitu tion




The Equal Protection Clause requires each state to provide equal protection under the law to all people, including all non-citizens, within its jurisdiction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jurisdiction)
. This clause has been the basis for many decisions rejecting irrational or unnecessary discrimination against people belonging to various groups.


Stick with your rhetoric like the Mad King Dufus wants you too, and indulge yourself in CHAOS. I prefer the LAW to establish Good Orderly Direction. Did you object when Cubans touched our land and were afforded our protection?

yeah I know ;that is why you have to stop them BEFORE entry .Afterwards you have no choice but to round them up and detain them until due process is provided . What do you want ? The emperor's catch and release ? Maybe you want these 'displaced ' kids rounded up /detained according to the law ,and then handing them off to unvetted foster care like the emperor was doing ?

Round them up and bus them back, that's the Trump plan

To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum . There is no fee to apply for asylum.


btw that photo is fake news. That girl was NOT separated from her mother .

To apply for Asylum, file a Form I-589, Application for Asylum . There is no fee to apply for asylum.


btw that photo is fake news. That girl was NOT separated from her mother .

And they were handing out the forms at the border and were patiently helping asylum seekers fill them out....

That photo could have numbered in the 1,000s of other babies, toddlers, and kids who were torn from parents' arms.

Pure rhetoric, it was a lie what does it feel like to be sucked in

Well that's a dumb statement since your state run TV must not carry all the news from here

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2018/06/19/fact-check-border-detention-children/716016002/

Or pictures

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dfdw4TeUwAAWpPh.jpg



But what does a hardliner like yourself care about how humans are treated.

from your link ..................
Pena added that the young boy in the photograph, the son of a friend, had wandered into the cage where older children were demonstrating and became upset when he saw his mother on the other side of the structure. The child was promptly taken out of the cage, he said.

I stand corrected, but it begs the question of why are there only government issued current pictures? Access denied to the public? I may have posted an inaccurate photo, but do you think the REAL thing is different?

I don't think you want to know what I think, I think you just want to sell the party line

I don't think you want to know what I think, I think you just want to sell the party line

You sell your side and I sell mine so what's your problem?

BREAKING NEWS

Scotus upholds the Muslim travel ban 5-4!

As you read of the Supreme Court upholding Trump's racist travel ban, please remember the Republicans STOLE a Supreme Court seat in 2016 and in fact—but for that POLITICAL CRIME—this would've been a 5-4 vote going the other way and upholding rather than abridging American values.

I must point out that despite the big mouth rhetoric from the president this was his third try at making law he is entitled to do as far as immigration and national security, and he kept his yap shut this time as it was argues before SCOTUS. I also point out that this was vastly better written than his first two EO's, and does NOT prohibit Hawaii, or any other state making its case in lower courts.

Long story short it only lifted the injunction against implementing his EO, imposed by the federal court. He wins but was forced to do it in a more precise lawful way. The muzzle obviously came off too! >SIGH<

BREAKING NEWS

Scotus upholds the Muslim travel ban 5-4!

Yes a win against idiocy, but empiric

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Mitch McConnell's camp celebrates Supreme Court upholding President Trump's travel ban with photo of conservative Justice Neil Gorsuch - NY Daily News (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-mitch-mcconnell-supreme-court-travel-ban-20180626-story.html)

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The fix was in! The game was RIGGED!

You would have to think that, but seriously, you need to understand there are a lot of people who don't like you

Maxine Waters .a sitting Rep of Congress called for violence against Trumpers . Her incitment of violence should be met harshly in the House . Pelosi to her credit already suggested Waters should shut her pie hole. (then she blamed it on Trump) .But more is needed . There should be censure hearings in the House ,and a universal across the aisle call for her to resign . Even Schumer gets this one right ,calling Waters call for mob rule “not American.”

Rep. Waters has called for no violence, unlike The Dufus who has done so repeatedly. No outrage against his running his pie hole. His lies and scandals and BREAKING THE LAW are epic.

Maxine Waters .a sitting Rep of Congress called for violence against Trumpers . Her incitment of violence should be met harshly in the House .


Waters called for violence once. And retracted it.

Trump called for violence against his opponents 30-40 times. Not once did he retract it.

Where do you suggest Trump should be met harshly?

I express my dissatisfaction by not voting for him . I do not recall him calling for violence since the election ;but I could be wrong . Suffice it to say odds are I will not vote for him in 2020.

Spoiled for choice, Tom?

2 things ;I oppose too many of his policies ;and I think character matters .

If you are speak of Dump, I agree, however, what is the alternative, the rabid leftists. Your right wing politicians have proven to be particularly bereft of what it takes



Give the man his due, he has achieved some things even if the means aren't what you might hope. he has failed to unify his party, this is his biggest mistake but he may yet usher in a new era of international dialogue

oh yeah he has forced a dialogue alright . My concern is that he will act like a bull in a china shop in the NATO meeting, like he did in the economic meeting in Canada ,and then come up with some meaningless declaration with Putin(like he evidently did with un Kim) which will reinforce this nonsense that he and Putin are working in cahoots .

The bad ripple effects of his inconsistent arguments about tariffs are already affecting the markets . His attacks on American companies trying to compete in the world market ,like Harley Davidson, are insane.

Btw .this Kennedy retirement from SCOTUS is already changing the national debate here . Immigration is yesterdays news . The issue now will be ,can the Dems delay a Trump appointment to SCOTUS before the elections ? Harry Reid did the Repubics a huge favor by going nuclear to appoint district judges . Yertle the Turtle McConnell can now use that precedence to waive filibuster rules for Kennedy's replacement . AND to top it off ,for some Trump voters ,the single deciding issue was that he would get to select constitutionalist judges (ie textualists as opposed to those ridiculous 'living breathing ' jurists ) . This could motivate them to turn out for the mid-term elections .

This has been the repub goal all along, appoint right wing repub judges all over the place and repeal the last 50 years.

not going to happen established law and all that .....except when progressive judges rule that is ;then the equation changes . I want Mike Lee. He is a Senator who has published on Constitutional issues. You guys are safe . Chief Justice Roberts becomes the swing vote ;and he has proven that he is not faithful to "right wing " issues.

Suffice it to say odds are I will not vote for him in 2020.


Good for you.

The onus is on the dems to first prove they are a force to be reckoned with in the midterms. They have to do more than holler about the lying cheating Dufus. Heck, EVERYBODY knows that! Even ALL the repubs. That's why they line up behind The Dufus because it was always about POWER, and not personality. The wingers on the right have it, and they know it, and intend to use it while they have it.

Hello 1968... RUN JOE RUN!! Stop the madness!

you see the bind you are in ? All your stars that arent socialists are octaginarians

It begs a question Tom, why? What you are really saying is the republicans lack vision among their younger supporters or maybe you are saying support isn't among the young

I've been saying the Repubics lack vision for years ….at least at the leadership level.

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Good picture Tom, and illustrates the real problem which is both party are slaves to the donors. For fact though both parties have their grassroots groups that need money too. I just love those emails asking for a dollar that some unnamed donor will QUADRUPLE match!

I think the NATION WIDE protest over separating families worth note though, and the court order to FIX IT!

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/06/30/2f9ba47e-9572-4bd3-be50-029bc618b72e/resize/620x/4c9e3ce6e6b5ad2e603bc7a9c553e3f4/protestimmigration.jpg

Fitting for an Independence Day holiday celebration.

more mobocracy from the open border ,rule of law be damned crowd .

more mobocracy from the open border ,rule of law be damned crowd .

The protestors are not demanding open borders (no sane person would), but are protesting the terrible evil of separating kids from their parents. Surely you can see that.

The protestors are not demanding open borders (no sane person would), but are protesting the terrible evil of separating kids from their parents. Surely you can see that.

But that battle has been won, does no one tell them these things

Have the kids been reunited? NO!

But that battle has been won, does no one tell them these things


Where have you been? That battle has NOT been won - the government cannot, or will not, reveal the locations of the children. Over 2,000 children remain separated from their parents and Trump's Administration is doing little or nothing about it.

The horrible possibility looms that some of these kids will never be reunited with their families. All of this tragedy is simply so that Trump can get his wall.

Donald Trump = EVIL, pure and simple. No false equivalence here!

if the goal isn't open borders then what level of enforcement of border control do you find acceptable ? I've never gotten a straight answer when I ask that .
In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself.

National Party Platforms on Immigration (http://www.p2012.org/issues/platformimmig.html)

Why would such Democrat leaders as Kristen Gillibrand be calling for the abolishing of ICE (the enforcement arm of US immigration policy ) if they did not want open borders ?

if the goal isn't open borders then what level of enforcement of border control do you find acceptable ? I've never gotten a straight answer when I ask that .


To begin with, stop separating families and go back to what was there before Trump changed it. A complete answer to your question is beyond the scope of this website. But we could start with differentiating between economic immigrants and refugees seeking asylum from violence.



In 2008, the Democratic platform called undocumented immigrants “our neighbors.” But it also warned, that “those who enter our country’s borders illegally, and those who employ them, disrespect the rule of the law.” By 2016, such language was gone. The party’s platform described America’s immigration system as a problem, but not illegal immigration itself.

All people are our neighbors - documented, undocumented, legal, illegal, whatever. I also believe in law and not to disrespect the law. The immigration system IS a problem, as is illegal immigration. If the party platform said illegal immigration was NOT a problem, then that platform is in error. All sides, proceeding from good will, should be able to hammer out effective laws governing immigration. My main objection is to criticize what Trump has done to the issue because he wants a wall.

National Party Platforms on Immigration (http://www.p2012.org/issues/platformimmig.html)


Why would such Democrat leaders as Kristen Gillibrand be calling for the abolishing of ICE (the enforcement arm of US immigration policy ) if they did not want open borders ?






Calling for the abolishment of ICE is NOT calling for the abolishment of enforcing the borders. ICE was created during a semi-hysteric panic after nine-eleven. I agree with Gillibrand that it should be revamped or replaced. The DHS IG has previously criticized it and current behavior of the agency, although anecdotal, leaves a lot to be desired.

go back to what was there before Trump changed it. catch and release ? That is not enforcement .


But we could start with differentiating between economic immigrants and refugees seeking asylum from violence. We could start with not letting them in before that determination is made . The immigration law is not the problem . The problem is the breaking of the law and about half the country not having a problem with that .

catch and release ? That is not enforcement .We could start with not letting them in before that determination is made . The immigration law is not the problem . The problem is the breaking of the law and about half the country not having a problem with that .

Catch and release is a LIE you guys exaggerate to scare the racist wingers into believing differen than yourselves women and children and men from the south are a serious threat to their women and children and yes their CULTURE. That's why you conflate a MISDEMEANOR infraction with a CRISIS invasion. Your right, MOST of us don't see this as the DANGEROUS problem you try to make it be.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release_(immigration)

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[LEFT]In United States immigration enforcement, "catch and release" refers to a practice of releasing an immigrant to the community while he or she awaits hearings in immigration court (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Office_for_Immigration_Review), as an alternative to holding them in immigration detention (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_detention_in_the_United_States).[1] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release_(immigration)#cite_note-RizzoMay2018-1)[2] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release_(immigration)#cite_note-RizzoApril2018-2) The migrants whom U.S. immigration enforcement agencies have allowed to remain in the community pending immigrant hearings have been those deemed low risk,[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release_(immigration)#cite_note-LATasusual-3) such as children, families, and those seeking asylum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asylum_seeker).[4] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch_and_release_(immigration)#cite_note-Lind-4)




It's called DUE PROCESS which under the constitution is to be applied to all on our soil equally and fairly, like all those Cubans. So YOU are saying WE should break the precious laws so YOU can feel better? Come on Tom, clean your glasses and see the truth!

How niaive you are, the illegal immigrant has achieved their objective, they are in the community, they couldn't hope for more

yes once they cross the border they have acheived breaching the gates of Vienna.





Mueller to Trump’s associates: “Lie about Trump or we’ll bankrupt you with legal fees.”

Mueller to Trump’s associates: “Lie about Trump or we’ll bankrupt you with legal fees.”


This is low, even for you, tomder.

the truth hurts ? Why do you think Flynn did the plea ? Because Mueller was bankrupting him AND threatening charges against Flynn's son . THAT is how low it can go.
http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/361894-flipping-michael-flynn-the-real-and-imagined-damage-of-a-mueller-deal


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/michael-flynn-to-sell-his-house-to-offset-legal-costs-report

Why do you think Cohen made his recent decision to cooperate ?
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393144-cohen-tells-associates-legal-fees-bankrupting-him-wants-trump-to-pay

the truth hurts ? Why do you think Flynn did the plea ? Because Mueller was bankrupting him AND threatening charges against Flynn's son . THAT is how low it can go.
Flipping Michael Flynn: The real and imagined damage of a Mueller deal | TheHill (http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/361894-flipping-michael-flynn-the-real-and-imagined-damage-of-a-mueller-deal)


https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/michael-flynn-to-sell-his-house-to-offset-legal-costs-report

Why do you think Cohen made his recent decision to cooperate ?
Cohen tells associates legal fees 'bankrupting' him, wants Trump to pay fees: report | TheHill (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/393144-cohen-tells-associates-legal-fees-bankrupting-him-wants-trump-to-pay)

What if they are just guilty? What if the lying Cheating loudmouth Dufus is guilty of something too? Who pleads to lesser charges because they are GOING broke from legal fees. Why don't they just get a cheap lawyer and plead NOT GUILTY and let the prosecutor prove they are?

Why don't they just get a cheap lawyer and plead NOT GUILTY oh you mean like the public defender in 'My Cousin Vinny '

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSw9_bsTzkU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RwTqFIKZU

Which lying dufus might that be, tal, there has been a long line of them and I expect you have folloed some of them

oh you mean like the public defender in 'My Cousin Vinny '

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSw9_bsTzkU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9RwTqFIKZU


HAHa, that was a funny movie back in the day, still is, but nothing like the tragedy soap opera of The Dufus presidency, with it's drama and ironies abound, not to mention the cast of characters who have been enriching themselves outside the law for many years, including the Dufus.

Not everyone can afford the best lawyers money can buy, guilty or PRESUMED innocent and the jails are full of those at the mercy of prosecutors. Heck some people have to sit in jail because they don't have bail, or bond money.

I have no sympathy for white collar criminals who cry about the lawyer fees, or the taxes they have to pay. Heck Tom, until recently the Republican party was paying Cohen's lawyer bill because he worked for them.


Which lying dufus might that be, tal, there has been a long line of them and I expect you have folloed some of them

Name names Clete and I will tell you if you are correct... OR NOT. Factually I have only designated one person specifically as a lying DUFUS.

Yes well you obviously missed BO and then there wa W and we cant leave out Bill can we

Not even close, not even W.

Really at least dump can put two words together

Yeah if you like that threatening, divisive, destructive, racists stuff. Then he's YOUR man.

So he is not gentile, I thought that reflected the national characheristic