https://www.buzzfeed.com/juliareinstein/photo-migrant-asylum-seeker-child-girl-border-mother?bfsplash&utm_term=4ldqpho

She is a two-year-old from Honduras.

Her horrible dilemma is the result of the barbaric cruelty of Donald Trump who is using this poor child for his own failed political objective. It does not get more evil than this.

Think of this picture the next time you see that smug bastard spewing his vomitous lies on the TV.

So the kid is crying because her mommy got caught doing the wrong thing and your lies don't help

So the kid is crying because her mommy got caught doing the wrong thing and your lies don't help
No, she DIDN'T get caught doing the wrong thing. She came to this country, just like my ancestors did, seeking asylum from the turmoil and killings in her country.

Well maybe however as a asylum seeker you present yourself at a border check point, etc. you don't know her motives only the outcome of her journey

Well maybe however as a asylum seeker you present yourself at a border check point, etc. you don't know her motives only the outcome of her journey
Do you know where the border checkpoints are?

Do you know where the border checkpoints are?

I don't need to know because I'm not journeying to the US but they are located at various border crossings right along the border

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Mexico–United_States_border_crossings


No doubt if you follow the major highways you will find one there are also many border patrol internal checkpoints which have to be maintained because people choose to avoid these official border crossings

asylum seekers who come uninvited are invaders .

asylum seekers who come uninvited are invaders .


Illegal immigrants are invaders, asylum seekers may have genuine reasons but should follow the accepted protocols

Illegal immigrants are invaders, asylum seekers may have genuine reasons but should follow the accepted protocols
And how will they know what those are when they run from conflict, not knowing English, don't have cellphones and the internet, are leaving everything they know, travel hundreds of miles in unfriendly terrain north to a country that has, as you and I know, always welcomed asylum seekers.

Does your nation allow asylum seekers to waltz through your borders demanding protection and the largess of your taxpayers ? Of course not . If they arrive without a visa are they not subject to mandatory indefinite detention? Isn't that average detention still well over a year with many of them still in detention over 6 years now ? Can their visa be voided if they fail a 'character test ' ? Isn't it true that
a person who arrives without authorization is barred from applying for any sort of visa? Do you not have “Operation Sovereign Borders”, a military response to the movement of unauthorized asylum seekers to Australia?

And how will they know what those are when they run from conflict, not knowing English, don't have cellphones and the internet, are leaving everything they know, travel hundreds of miles in unfriendly terrain north to a country that has, as you and I know, always welcomed asylum seekers.
No we have not always welcomed all asylum seekers . The US for years has had a 'credible fear' process where applicant has to prove they are in danger in their country .
In addition to being vetted using intelligence databases, asylum seekers also submit documentation, including: proof of identity; medical records or death certificates; affidavits from witnesses; and testimonies from medical professionals confirming past torture or trauma. Anyone who is not subject to this process cannot be considered an asylum seeker .

From a comment on Facebook:

"For the one Bible verse being cited for this policy, there are hundreds more speaking of loving our neighbors, and condemning those who harm children. But if you don't read the Bible, look at the base of the Statue of Liberty."

Does your nation allow asylum seekers to waltz through your borders demanding protection and the largess of your taxpayers ? Of course not . If they arrive without a visa are they not subject to mandatory indefinite detention? Isn't that average detention still well over a year with many of them still in detention over 6 years now ? Can their visa be voided if they fail a 'character test ' ? Isn't it true that
a person who arrives without authorization is barred from applying for any sort of visa? Do you not have “Operation Sovereign Borders”, a military response to the movement of unauthorized asylum seekers to Australia?


Tom I agree with our policies and by your earlier words I thought you endorsed them. I agree that you cannot allow your nation's borders to be ignored and allow in a plague of locusts.

Yes we require orderly migration which means you rock up at an embassy before you come and obtain a visa in the appropriate category. Don't have the money, sorry, then you probably can't afford to live here

From a comment on Facebook:

"For the one Bible verse being cited for this policy, there are hundreds more speaking of loving our neighbors, and condemning those who harm children. But if you don't read the Bible, look at the base of the Statue of Liberty."

What a joke you didn't even allow in the jews when they were in need in the thirties so don't quote a book whose tenets you consider optional

What a joke you didn't even allow in the jews when they were in need in the thirties so don't quote a book whose tenets you consider optional
That is the truth . There have been times of tight control and times of admitting more . The one thing those times have in common was the laws were enforced .

You are so proud of enforcing the law, often in cruel inhuman ways but think nothing of sending people back to death and destruction. What's wrong with that picture?

To add such a big deal is made and a fortune spent for solving HALF the problem since more than 40% of illegal immigrants came here legally but never returned when their visas expired and not renewed or updated.

Please spare me the zero tolerance and bible thumping justification for the half a$$ attempt to appear to be so tough on lawbreakers. Terrorizing exhausted desperate men, women and kids is not even a good photo op, let alone a solution to a bigger problem. Selective law enforcement by a guy who breaks the law is NOT impressive except to simpleton sycophants.

simpleton sycophants. and the only thing you are concerned about is the optics . What did you do for 8 years when the emperor was doing essentially the same thing ? hypocrisy thy name is Democrats .

You are so proud of enforcing the law, often in cruel inhuman ways but think nothing of sending people back to death and destruction. What's wrong with that picture?

What you are saying is laws should not be enforced that makes you an anarchist

Obama targeted criminals as a priority and kept families together and sent them through the court system for disposition. The Dufus separate's the kids from parents and anyone can see the difference. Sure Obama built his tent cities, but for families, without separating them for the most part. Most were even deported after the court found they were not eligible for asylum. Vastly different than what the Dufus is doing just to get his wall money.

Former first ladies including Melania Trump have spoken out on this IMMORAL process that Sessions has implemented. Your Obama did it argument falls far from truth. You know my main argument about repubs is how they implement and carry out the policies the push.


What you are saying is laws should not be enforced that makes you an anarchist

Hardly and as I told Tom there is a humane way to enforce the law. Of course you don't care about that do you?

Obama targeted criminals as a priority and kept families together and sent them through the court system for disposition.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/18/opinion/mr-obamas-dubious-detention-centers.html

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/1475-immigrant-children-missing/

https://www.thirteen.org/metrofocus/2011/11/children-of-deported-immigrants-languish-in-foster-care-as-the-obama-administration-fights-itself/


Here is a 2014 photo (worth a thousand words ) of how the emperor's policies worked for children .We didn't know about this until a former speech writer for he emperor published them thinking this was happening under Trump and not 2014 .When he discovered his error ,he deleted his tweet.

https://www.azcentral.com/picture-gallery/news/politics/immigration/2014/06/18/first-glimpse-of-immigrant-children-at-holding-facility/10808687/

https://amp.businessinsider.com/images/5b0dbccf1ae66230008b4fec-1536-996.jpg
From 2011 …..https://www.colorlines.com/articles/thousands-kids-lost-parents-us-deportation-system

https://www.denverpost.com/2012/08/25/u-s-immigration-policy-splits-families-when-parents-are-deported/

https://reason.com/blog/2011/11/03/obamas-immigration-legacy-4600

Editorial: Democrats are responsible - News-Times: News (http://www.carolinacoastonline.com/news_times/article_5e11d7da-719b-11e8-b006-47c4e8956509.html)

I just love the selective outrage here .

You are right Tom 100%. The mad King Dufus outrages me to my CORE!! Yes that's selective, but no more selective than your 8 year attack on Obama!

It is what it is!

Hardly and as I told Tom there is a humane way to enforce the law. Of course you don't care about that do you?

Yes the humane way to enforce the law, lock up people for petty offences, swell the prison population and allow illegal immigrants to take their place all in the name of being humane. If you wanted to be humane to these people who seem compelled to cross your borders you could stop investing in China and start investing in your own hemisphere, but your wonderful capitalist utopia would never have the objective of helping people out of poverty.

When your own economy is as big and dynamic as ours then maybe your advice will have more credibility. I don't see that happening anytime soon do you?

When your own economy is as big and dynamic as ours then maybe your advice will have more credibility. I don't see that happening anytime soon do you?

Well we are steadily overtaking you, from last place two hundred years ago we are now in the top twenty of world economies so perhaps there is something we can teach you about getting things done and having a dynamic economy



Please think about the innovations that we have given you or turn off your WIFI

Sure when you turn off your lights, radio, and TV.

Sure when you turn off your lights, radio, and TV.

And how much of that did you invent? You are great exploiters Tal

Trump has pulled out of the UN Human Rights Council. Now I can understand that some of the membership doesn't stack up but using Israel as an excuse instead of admitting that the US doesn't respond well to criticism

And how much of that did you invent? You are great exploiters Tal

You (Actually THEY!) are getting paid the big bucks for patented contribution so get over yourself, as it's not the ONLY thing moving human evolution along. That alone doesn't make YOU or YOURS better than ME or MINE, so can the ego tripping until you actually do catch up in dynamic economic influence.



Trump has pulled out of the UN Human Rights Council. Now I can understand that some of the membership doesn't stack up but using Israel as an excuse instead of admitting that the US doesn't respond well to criticism

The Dufus doesn't respond well to criticism, and it's but a set up lean toward the dictators and madmen who share is authoritarian leanings.

You (Actually THEY!) are getting paid the big bucks for patented contribution so get over yourself, as it's not the ONLY thing moving human evolution along. That alone doesn't make YOU or YOURS better than ME or MINE, so can the ego tripping until you actually do catch up in dynamic economic influence.

Oh we are testy today




The Dufus doesn't respond well to criticism, and it's but a set up lean toward the dictators and madmen who share is authoritarian leanings.

Trump would be right at home in that committee

You would be testy too if you weren't such an immigration hardliner, devoid of humanity for the plight of desperate humans. Immigration is but one top story kicked around between partisan factions in the continuation of our civil war. I live in Texas and vilifying women, children and babies and housing them as criminals in MY gets under my CRAW!

As do those who make this about everything but the right thing. The Mad King Dufus has created another crisis and his sycophants line up behind him parroting his LIES. Yes I am testy, but no more than usual since the Dufus seized control of my TV. Friday can't come soon enough.

You would be testy too if you weren't such an immigration hardliner, devoid of humanity for the plight of desperate humans. Immigration is but one top story kicked around between partisan factions in the continuation of our civil war. I live in Texas and vilifying women, children and babies and housing them as criminals in MY gets under my CRAW!

As do those who make this about everything but the right thing. The Mad King Dufus has created another crisis and his sycophants line up behind him parroting his LIES. Yes I am testy, but no more than usual since the Dufus seized control of my TV. Friday can't come soon enough.

Well you can relax this morning Tal and make way to open your home since Trump has ended separation and there will be a consequence

Your hyperbolic speech sounds just like the Dufus's racist non fact rants and stupid antics, of which he is eating as we speak. Your gloom and doom FAKE invasion is a bit over the top Clete and wasn't true before the Dufus nor will be after.

It's a BIG FAT LIE, and the nation has seen through it and forced him to reverse himself. Be assured we will see if indeed he puts those kids back with their families.

Well Tal what you need over there is some real policies and real debate

Well Tal what you need over there is some real policies and real debate

And real Truth. The EO trumps signed was BS since it didn't reunify the more than 2200 kids already in custody, in violation of the Flores Agreement

https://www.humanrightsfirst.org/resource/flores-settlement-brief-history-and-next-steps

To have real debate to get real policies you have to have honest parties, and obviously this tactic is about The Dufus getting his money and the kids are but pawns held hostage as a negotiating tactic. That makes this a WAR right in the middle of silly season.

honest parties who tell the truth of what they want aka open borders ? if not that ,then what level of immigration and border control would be acceptable ? As an example ;the minute Trump said that families would not be separated . Kamile Harris complained that locking up families with their children was unacceptable .

honest parties who tell the truth of what they want aka open borders ? if not that ,then what level of immigration and border control would be acceptable ? As an example ;the minute Trump said that families would not be separated . Kamile Harris complained that locking up families with their children was unacceptable .

As talinman said, you cannot have honest discussion about immigration and border control as long as that fruitcake in the WH continues to demand the American taxpayer foot the bill for his "Mexican-funded" wall!

First, get rid of Trump the evil promoter of all that is unholy, then all sides can sit down and talk.

as I suspected ;you refuse to admit that your goal is open borders

as I suspected ;you refuse to admit that your goal is open borders


My GOAL, in case you hadn't noticed, is to get Trump out of government. Then, and only then, got all those spineless Republicans who a**-kissed and continue to a**-kiss Trump also out of government.

When that happens, all sides can sit down and work out an arrangement fair and acceptable to all. Your "open borders" is a non-starter.

I'll admit I was against the FENCE back in the day, because the whole immigration debate is a trumped up fear mongering campaign drummed up far beyond the rational. I can accept border patrols but never the notion of a big beautiful wall you can see from space to save us from the brown people. To be frank I'm against all the ideas and policies a lying cheating loudmouth bully proposes.

Current Events is full of my ideas and feelings and I stand by that 100%. The brown people are no threat, and like all the immigrants before them have contributed through the generations to the greatness of America. Compared to the threat of gun violence in our public places women and children running from a house on fire in central America is NOTHING!

So listen to the Dufus and get behind his idiotic ideas that waste time and money and ignore the rest of the immigrants who have overstayed their visas and green cards and the nut job AMERICANS terrorist reeking REAL havoc on our domestic front. Fix the fence get more guards or go kick the central American governments in their a$$ or all the above but spare me the BS!

Only a zip damn fool would give a guy American banks won't do business with a dime let alone 25 billion bucks! But then if you voted for such a fool after knowing he had court cases, bankruptcies and is in court being sued for god knows what now, then maybe you are a bit foolish! And those my slow to believe your own eyes friends are FACTS!

DUMP DUFUS before it's too late. Or free the kids and lock the Dufus up!

Tal, time to give up and admit you have Trump for at least another two years and that means more BS. I suggest you go out and buy a bulldozer which is what you should have given yourself Christmas 2016.

The "fence" will be a nice piece of intergenerational infrastructure, a semi-permanent reminder of better days

if not open borders then what is an acceptable level of border control. You guys never get around to that. Me I want the laws that exist enforced . Then we can talk .

Yes there is no point in having laws if you are not going to enforce them, may as well repeal them

How about an orderly HUMANE process to evaluate the people who come here, instead of separation, incarceration, criminalization w/o due process, and an end to all this secretly moving folks around and keeping them out of site.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor by first time offenders. A nation of immigrants who cherish the rule of law should do no less than for others than they expect for themselves.

I know people on Long Island who disagree . Where is your humane empathy for their children ?https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/ms-13-is-taking-over-the-school-one-teen-warned-before-she-was-killed/2018/03/09/93ed7c9c-2083-11e8-86f6-54bfff693d2b_story.html?utm_term=.00fe88293698

I empathize with the vast many who are facing this problem Tom,

https://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/fullpage/chicago-gang-violence-numbers-17509042

Home grown or imported, it's a huge problem. MDK's separating families sure ain't helping find solutions.

The solution is turn them around at the border

The solution is turn them around at the border indeed

The solution is turn them around at the border
To go where?

You mean before they get to the border because once they get into the US rules and laws apply. Maybe be nice to Mexico like he is to Russia, NK, and the Philippines'.

CBS poll: What do you think should be done with families entering illegally?

Release entire family back to home country: 48%
Arrest parents, keep kids separate: 4%
Arrest parents, keep kids with them: 11%
Release family in the U.S., require they report for later hearing: 21%



require they report for later hearing

Yeah, right.

CBS poll: What do you think should be done with families entering illegally?

Release entire family back to home country: 48%
Arrest parents, keep kids separate: 4%
Arrest parents, keep kids with them: 11%
Release family in the U.S., require they report for later hearing: 21%



require they report for later hearing

Yeah, right.



If you have a nice orderly process at the border, which you do, those who cross the border illegally should be returned immediately.

What Tal and others fail to recognise this that these people don't respect your laws so why let them in. They intentionally break your laws so deal with them accordingly. They are gaming the system, knowing that if they are caught you will let them stay while they face court, an opportunity for them to disappear

Could be DOJ Sessions playing hanky panky like he did here,


https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/immigration/2018/06/18/sessions-asylum-seekers-go-border-ports-but-its-not-easy/710796002/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/at-the-us-border-asylum-seekers-fleeing-violence-are-told-to-come-back-later/2018/06/12/79a12718-6e4d-11e8-afd5-778aca903bbe_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.250db9e89fe6

Maybe we should compare the ones who don't show up in court for status hearings with the legal immigrants who over stay their visits. It's deeper and more complex than the MDK and his sycophants holler about. You trust either of them to adhere to the law? I got a bridge for you!


If you have a nice orderly process at the border, which you do, those who cross the border illegally should be returned immediately.

What Tal and others fail to recognise this that these people don't respect your laws so why let them in. They intentionally break your laws so deal with them accordingly. They are gaming the system, knowing that if they are caught you will let them stay while they face court, an opportunity for them to disappear

Like I told Tom, The Dufus and his sycophants have little respect for the law either.

so we are back to the emperor's catch and release policy
Top officials at the Department of Homeland Security acknowledged that reality at a meeting Thursday afternoon, according to a former department official with knowledge of the meeting.




“It’s going to be 'catch and release' because they don’t have the detention beds for them,” the former official said.




As a result, expect another crush of family units incoming at the border. Trump the jelly fish caved under the pressure .

You immigration hardliners have no respect for the law and hide behind sovereignty to go against your own founders sacred Constitution. How inconvenient that piece of paper when it applies to those you don't like. Have no fear though as the Dufus will find more BS crap to whet your whistle soon. It's only Monday.

have no idea what you are talking about . Do you think the framers wanted open borders ? What unconstitutional position have I taken ?

the answer of course is that if you stop them at the border then you don't have due process issues to worry about .

more dreamers persuing the American dream.....

https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/gang-leader-sorry-after-innocent-teen-is-butchered-in-street/

Exactly and you don't have to play tag, catch and release. Every one caught should have to pay a fine before release, that would fund the wall

have no idea what you are talking about . Do you think the framers wanted open borders ? What unconstitutional position have I taken ?

Sure you do. Zero tolerance is unconstitutional, and implemented in a cruel inhumane way. You hardliners think it's okay to separate kids, move them all over the map, and deport the adults without the kids. As for your sacred framers, which you stick like glue to for the 2nd amendment though they could hardly imagine machine guns and bazookas yet ignore the 5th and 14th amendments like they don't exist when it comes to immigration by the brown people.

It clearly states all PERSONS in the jurisdiction of the US is entitled to due process and equal protection under the law (like the Cubans touching soil), and the rhetoric spewing from your side about open borders is bogus since nobody was stopping the lawful deportation of hundreds of thousands of immigrants a year, just ask Obama, the deporter in chief. Even catch and release is a made up hyper partisan phrase of the hardliners for the distinct purpose of dehumanizing and vilifying a group to open the door to the inhumane and draconian treatment to follow.

I'm sure all Euro immigrants understand that separate but equal tactics and treatments used against the former slaves and their descendants well after Lincoln freed them. One of Sessions first acts after he recused himself was to eliminate the civil rights division of the DOJ, and the consent decree policy between law enforcement and the people they serve and protect.



the answer of course is that if you stop them at the border then you don't have due process issues to worry about .

more dreamers persuing the American dream.....

https://nypost.com/2018/06/23/gang-leader-sorry-after-innocent-teen-is-butchered-in-street/

Thanks for making my point as you hardliners and so called law and order types think it's okay to find ways to get around the constitution and get what you want by DENYING people a chance one way or another. Even your link and the rhetoric you wrap it in falsely and derisively frames 1% of the migrant population, misguided miscreants for sure with the other 99% of human beings that make up the whole. Round 'em all up and shovel 'em in the same pit and cover it up. Yeah it's no wonder you hardliners don't know what the rest of us humans are talking about.

You're to busy following the Dufus down a dark path for a few bucks and a load of red meat cut from the a$$ of people who don't look like HIM.

Here it is, Tal playing the racism card. Immigration debate isn't about racism, Tal, you want open borders but that means your country is not only flooded with people seeking to leech off your welfare system, it means you are flooded with criminals, drug mules and potentially extremeists

Try to keep up. 60, 000 REFUGEES from a few violent failed central American countries, mostly women and children is hardly a flood. Geez Clete they barely fill a college football stadium on a Saturday afternoon. Okay a few criminals and dope comes in. My gosh that's a drop in the bucket compared to our own homegrown dope fiends and lawbreakers. As far as a leech on the welfare system goes, nobody leeches off the public teat like the corporate fat cats here by FAR! Just a quick aside though is anybody watching the deficit? That's a bigger story than the brown invasion.

Didn't I warn you about listening to a lying, cheating, loudmouthed bully Clete? When are you going to listen?

Try to keep up. 60, 000 REFUGEES from a few violent failed central American countries, mostly women and children is hardly a flood. Geez Clete they barely fill a college football stadium on a Saturday afternoon. Okay a few criminals and dope comes in. My gosh that's a drop in the bucket compared to our own homegrown dope fiends and lawbreakers. As far as a leech on the welfare system goes, nobody leeches off the public teat like the corporate fat cats here by FAR! Just a quick aside though is anybody watching the deficit? That's a bigger story than the brown invasion.

Didn't I warn you about listening to a lying, cheating, loudmouthed bully Clete? When are you going to listen?

Tal, I don't listen to him, How would I listen to him? There is enough comedy here with Turncoat and Shortbill, and we have more important things to discuss, like the reach of China in the Pacific and owning drones that surveil a significant proportion of the Earth's surface. You like opposing tax cuts you should tune in to our parliament, it's an artform, vote for them in the Reps and oppose them in the Senate You see, Tal, we solved this illegal immigrant thing, so it only gets an occasional mention we solved the gun problem so it only gets an occasional mention and employment, where was that rust belt again?

Here it is, Tal playing the racism card. Immigration debate isn't about racism, Tal, you want open borders but that means your country is not only flooded with people seeking to leech off your welfare system, it means you are flooded with criminals, drug mules and potentially extremeists

I guess you must be bored and trying to be provocative with your inflammatory post huh? I have to point out though we have laws and processes here already to at least begin to address whatever issues come up. The REAL crisis is the Dufus and his big fat lying mouth. He certainly is a class A drama queen too! Have to admit he lives up to his name and TRUMPS up plenty of crap to holler and distract people from the REAL things we need to do.

Woke up this morning to him trashing Harley Davidson and threatening to tax them out of existence. What a DUFUS!

BREAKING NEWS

Judge orders immigrant families reunited

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/federal-judge-rules-children-parents-separated-border-reunited/story?id=56192051



Sabraw, a George W. Bush appointee, also ordered that children younger than 5 years old must be reunited with parents within 14 days and that all parents must be allowed to speak to their children within 10 days if they've not already been in contact.The court also prohibited, absent a waiver, the deportation of parents without their children, and it said that in the future children can only be separated from a parent if that parent poses a threat to the child. If a parent is released from Department of Homeland Security custody, the child must be released to them.

Well Tal not everything can be made in the US of A, some people are more successful at it, a lesson Dump never learned

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DhI1LX3UYAEzEO2.jpg