- low black unemployment
- bonuses for employees
- 2.4 million jobs created
- American flag
- In God we Trust
- National anthem
- fully secured border
- merit based immigration
- Fighting opioid abuse
- Jerusalem as capital of Israel

I think there might have been something else they did not applaud, Tom, such as the elephant in the room

I did forget one . The Dems did not applaud the parents of children who were murdered by MS-13 'dreamers '

The Democrats acted like children having a tantrum... Literally... that's exactly what they looked like. Not at all like adults. And I heard THAT comment from a Nigerian friend of ours that was visiting at that time. He commented what is wrong with those people acting like a kid that did not get the toy they were demanding.

Who cares? The repubs cheered enough for the lying, cheating hostage taking Dufus for everybody.

Madam Mim Pelosi looked like she had too many tax cut crumbs between her teeth . https://i0.wp.com/therightscoop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/nancy-pelosi-SOTU.jpeg?resize=800%2C387

The old cow Pelosi was caught chewing her cud.

Corey looks like some good Ole Boy just took his woman from him.....


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This is what repubs were really cheering about!

https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.o-5UkGDeabUrYeClsWlpwAHaHa&w=190&h=189&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.45&pid=1.7https://tse1.mm.bing.net/th?id=OIP.15ql9uDD8Cn5Mmg9mcG_GwEsC4&w=257&h=160&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.45&pid=1.7

- low black unemployment
- bonuses for employees
- 2.4 million jobs created
- American flag
- In God we Trust
- National anthem
- fully secured border
- merit based immigration
- Fighting opioid abuse
- Jerusalem as capital of Israel




Even the blacks in attendance did not applaud this because they know Trump had nothing to do with it and that he is a racist.

Employee bonuses are a joke. A drop in the bucket compared to the corporate giveaways. Corps sucking up to Orangeman. Wait and watch where the windfalls from Trump actually go - can you spell dividends, executive compensation, stock buyback? Like his tax "cut", his intention was never to help the workers - he said as much to his rich cronies.

Jobs - Again, nothing to do with Trump. And included jobs created under OBAMA. The actual number created since his presidency is lower than his claim. But dopey Donald is NEVER bothered by FACTS!

Flag - does anyone actually believe Trump cares a whit about the flag? He cares about money - nothing else.

National Anthem - He has accused the NFL players of not supporting the military when anyone with an IQ of 2 knows they were protesting police gunning down unarmed blacks and getting away with it. Duhhhhh.

Border - Do you mean the Wall that Mexico will pay for? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Merit immigration - Thank your lucky stars this didn't apply to your ancestors, tomder, else you'd still be back in some bog in some swamp somewhere in the old country.


Trump's taking credit for the economy is so far-fetched that even Republican economists agree that it is the result of years of OBAMA correcting what the Republicans contributed to in the first place to create the world-wide financial crisis.

What is truly amazing is that this revolting swine got any applause at all. The White House will have to be fumigated when the American people finally throw him out and send him back to wallow in his pigsty of ill-gotten gains. Trump University, anybody?

Even the blacks in attendance did not applaud this because they know Trump had nothing to do with it and that he is a racist.

Employee bonuses are a joke. A drop in the bucket compared to the corporate giveaways. Corps sucking up to Orangeman. Wait and watch where the windfalls from Trump actually go - can you spell dividends, executive compensation, stock buyback? Like his tax "cut", his intention was never to help the workers - he said as much to his rich cronies.

Jobs - Again, nothing to do with Trump. And included jobs created under OBAMA. The actual number created since his presidency is lower than his claim. But dopey Donald is NEVER bothered by FACTS!

Flag - does anyone actually believe Trump cares a whit about the flag? He cares about money - nothing else.

National Anthem - He has accused the NFL players of not supporting the military when anyone with an IQ of 2 knows they were protesting police gunning down unarmed blacks and getting away with it. Duhhhhh.

Border - Do you mean the Wall that Mexico will pay for? Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha.

Merit immigration - Thank your lucky stars this didn't apply to your ancestors, tomder, else you'd still be back in some bog in some swamp somewhere in the old country.


Trump's taking credit for the economy is so far-fetched that even Republican economists agree that it is the result of years of OBAMA correcting what the Republicans contributed to in the first place to create the world-wide financial crisis.

What is truly amazing is that this revolting swine got any applause at all. The White House will have to be fumigated when the American people finally throw him out and send him back to wallow in his pigsty of ill-gotten gains. Trump University, anybody?


https://audiojungle.net/item/cheers-and-applause-2/21263365

Employee bonuses are a joke. Typical lefty elitist comment .



Merit immigration - Thank your lucky stars this didn't apply to your ancestors, tomder, else you'd still be back in some bog in some swamp somewhere in the old country.
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/soldier-home-holidays-loses-his-life-saving-others-bronx-nyc-inferno-836349-3.html#post3810498

I wonder how many workers will get a bonus out of the 160 million who deserve them? For the ones that get them, it's probably the first ever in their life, and more than likely the last. So let's just wait, and see who will applaud for what. Certainly not the folks who get a pink slip instead of a bonus.

Carrier plant Trump saved lays off another 215 workers whose jobs are going to Mexico - Jan. 11, 2018 (http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-layoffs/index.html)

OR

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/01/11/sams-club-closing-dozens-stores-reports-say/1024986001/

Can you hear the cheers?

I'm getting a $2,500 stock grant...and I am still an hourly Union worker....though a well paid one.

Its not even part of the contract...........

Not sure where a previous post I made went.....

But Athos....even the left wing loons at my local CBS affiliate fact checked the Black unemployment number claim and said it was true.....its the LOWEST black unemployment rate since 1972. And its significantly lower for all other groups as well.

Owebummer can't claim that for ANY of his 8 years.

I agree with you smoothy, posts are disappearing from this thread, let's see if this one disappears

....even the left wing loons at my local CBS affiliate fact checked the Black unemployment number claim and said it was true.....its the LOWEST black unemployment rate since 1972. And its significantly lower for all other groups as well.

Owebummer can't claim that for ANY of his 8 years.


Loons, you say? Can you read, Smoothy? To help you, I'll repeat it - Even the blacks in attendance did not applaud this because they know Trump had nothing to do with it and that he is a racist. My statement refers to Trump taking credit for something he was not entitled to. Get it? Who's the loon now?

From the day OBAMA inherited the horrendous world-wide Bush/Republican recession to his last day in office, Black unemployment declined 9.1% during those years. One year under Trump, the rate declined less than 1% (7.7 to 6.8). Trump has no chance to equal OBAMA'S accomplishment for Black employment.

Try researching the numbers, smoothy. Then you won't look so foolish.

I saw it, they are brain damaged idiots. Trump had EVERYTHING to do with it... Do a search yourself how BAD the employment rates were BEFORE Trump took office. The bozo's sitting there like lumps of manure were the Racists in the room. Where are you pulling your so called facts from? Certainly not anyplace CREDIBLE like the Bureau of Labor Statistics that do not back your claims of this non-existent Utopia for blacks or anyone else during his 8 years.

Its amazing how Liberals STILL try to Blame Bush for all the stupid mismanagement Obama was responsible for... and trying to credit Obama for stuff he had absolutely NOTHING to do with.

CBS is anything but Pro Trump...they were 110% pro Hillary and they agreed Trump did more for Black employment than anyone has since 1972. At least in this universe. Can't speak for any of the alternate ones.

Trump inherited a CRAP economy from Obama....and Turned it around, didn't spend the last year blaming everything that happened after he took office on Obama.

... Do a search yourself how BAD the employment rates were BEFORE Trump took office. Where are you pulling your so called facts from? Certainly not anyplace CREDIBLE like the Bureau of Labor Statistics


*sigh* (Sometimes I wonder why I bother.)

My facts come from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.

December 2016 was OBAMA'S last full month in office. The Black unemployment rate was 7.9%. In January 2017, partially OBAMA and partially Trump, the Black unemployment rate was 7.8%. (Interestingly, the first two full months of Trump's presidency, the Black unemployment rate increased.)

Prior to December 2016, OBAMA'S Black unemployment rate for the year ranged downward from 8.9% to 7.9%. From the beginning of the recovery (roughly 2010) to OBAMA'S leaving office, the Black unemployment rate decreased from 16.5% to 7.8%.

Every fact cited can be verified at the Bureau of Labor Statistics.



Its amazing how Liberals STILL try to Blame Bush for all the stupid mismanagement Obama was responsible for... and trying to credit Obama for stuff he had absolutely NOTHING to do with.

The financial crisis began while Bush, not OBAMA, was president. It was Bush, not OBAMA, who began the bailout stimulus packages. OBAMA continued that policy, which the Republicans, after supporting that policy under Bush, now did a 180 and condemned OBAMA for the same policy.



Trump inherited a CRAP economy from Obama....and Turned it around, didn't spend the last year blaming everything that happened after he took office on Obama.


No. The economy was recovering and had been since it bottomed in 2010 as the Bush recession ran its course, leaving many casualties in its wake.

Your claim that Trump "didn't spend the last year blaming everything that happened after he took office on OBAMA" is preposterous. That is precisely what Trump did - blamed OBAMA. He still does it. Whenever he wants to change the subject as the truth gets too close for comfort, he brings up OBAMA - or Clinton.

Some of us try not to deal in "hyperbolic truth" or "alternative facts". We stick to the actual facts. Something you should try.

smoothy statistics don't swing in your favour, black unemployment has been in decline for a long time, as has unemployment generally, actually Trump created less jobs but we won't let the facts get in the way of a good story, that unemployment is low. It may just be that all those displaced older workers are no longer looking for a job

Even the blacks in attendance did not applaud this because they know Trump had nothing to do with it and that he is a racist.

What a silly comment . If the Dems had ANYTHING to do with the reduction in Black unemployment rates they would've been giddy in their cheers . The fact is that when there was a Black President ,the only thing he did for the Community was to increase government handouts .

smoothy statistics don't swing in your favour, black unemployment has been in decline for a long time, as has unemployment generally, actually Trump created less jobs but we won't let the facts get in the way of a good story, that unemployment is low. It may just be that all those displaced older workers are no longer looking for a job

You aint seen nothin yet. Now that business tax rates have been revised to match world rates ,and Trump continues his campaign of deregulation ,American business will surge ..... and as the saying goes.... a rising tide lifts all boats . That is what the Dems still refuse to see. We had 8 years of Obama's schtick of American reductionist thinking . We would've had more of that with Evita and her crony pay for play RICO schemes .

The Trump tax cuts are handouts too. Carrier is a prime example of what companies will do, and always done with their tax cuts. Even Walmart who has always sucked off the local tax teat has raised wages, given bonuses and laid off thousands. I bet that helped some communities too huh?

Amazing The Dufus bragging about what he has done hasn't said a darn thing about Carrier. You seem happy to ignore those details Tom, nor made no comment about rising prices that are lowly becoming evident.

We have no budget and no roads bridges or schools being fixed. The yachts are floating just fine, but the rowboats are still grounded.

I wonder how many workers will get a bonus out of the 160 million who deserve them? For the ones that get them, it's probably the first ever in their life, and more than likely the last. So let's just wait, and see who will applaud for what. Certainly not the folks who get a pink slip instead of a bonus.

Carrier plant Trump saved lays off another 215 workers whose jobs are going to Mexico - Jan. 11, 2018 (http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/11/news/companies/trump-carrier-plant-layoffs/index.html)

OR

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...ay/1024986001/ (https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2018/01/11/sams-club-closing-dozens-stores-reports-say/1024986001/)

Can you hear the cheers?

One company alone ;Amazon ,because of the improved Business climate ;is going to invest $350 billion in the US economy . That is almost half of the amt we wasted on the emperor's "stimulus " . Every day you are seeing more and more companies announcing pay raises ,bonuses ,investments in the country since herr Donald assumed the Presidency . But go ahead and keep on mocking these developments as insignificant . I hope them Dems keeps on calling it crumbs . Let them go into the fall campaign and claim their constituents aren't better off .

Seems to me that the only thing they have on their plate is helping the children of illegals instead of the "dreamers "of legal America . And even with that ;Trump offered a better deal for them in his opening bid in the negotiations for immigration reform.


The Trump tax cuts are handouts too. Typical Democrat logic . Taking less of your hard earned money is called a handout .

If you can spew Trump talking points, can't call it logic, then you should have no trouble with my logic. I am waiting to see how the plan works out for ME, but I don't intend to give up my plan anytime soon, and trust the lying cheating Dufus. Miss Porn Star has him by his balls. Today is the day The Dufus releases his sycophants memo, and normal people stock up for the Super Bowl. I hope your tax break buys you more than Doritos!

more evidence of a Trump economic bump
America gets a raise: Wage growth fastest since 2009 - Feb. 2, 2018 (http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/02/news/economy/january-jobs-report-2018/index.html)

glad you brought up the fact that FISA warrants for a counter intel investigation (aka using the law enforcement agencies to spy on your opponent in a Presidential election) were based SOLELY on the bogus Steele "dossier " that was compiled with fallacious evidence by an operative paid for by the Clintoon campaign.

I saw the movie 'The Post ' this weekend . You know ;it's about a time when the Dems thought it was worthy to go to jail to show the public classified documents . The Dems used to be suspicious of the and the intel agencies of the government . Now they are cheerleaders for them and questioning the legitimacy of an investigation is not allowed because it impunes the integrity of the agency .

btw ;did you read today that Hostess has joined the growing list of companies giving employees bonuses due to the new tax law ? Well part of their bonus is getting free Hostess products . So in this case I agree that some of their bonus is just crumbs .

am waiting to see how the plan works out for ME, I already know it is not going to be as good for me because I live in a state that screws it's residence under the logic that the money they plunder could be deducted . Now the equation has changed ;but you won't see il duce Cuomo rushing to reduce the tax burden of the residents . Instead he's looking to add to our misery with things like "congestion tolls " . Now that they have figured out that they can electronically collect plunder from commuters there is no end to the imaginative ways they'll pick our pockets .

Cigna announced today it will increase the minimum wage for its employees to $16 an hour and raise contributions to retirement accounts .

here is the link to the Nunes memo .

https://graphics.axios.com/2018-02-02-memo/HMTG-115-IG00-20180129-SD001.pdf

Nothing good ever came from giving the keys to your brand new car to your unreliable buddy and his friends and he peels off down the road. That's how I characterize this Nunes memo release and repubs tax cuts. Keep watching the clown show and wait for prices to rise, and Rosenstein fired. Obviously Nunes is a stooge for Trump, and Trump is scared to death that more will be revealed later and blow his world up. We can only wait to see the effect of those tax cuts on city budgets and services this year, let alone government services and functions.

https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/cdc-epidemic-money-prevention-programs/2018/02/02/id/841103/

The prospect of transparency has triggered panic in the Dems & among its praetorian guard in the media. When transparency hurts Dems, the media oppose transparency.It is important for the American public to know if the dossier was paid for by another candidate, used in court pleadings, vetted before and after it was used , and whether all relevant facts were shared with the judges approving the FISA application. Nunes' memo shows that the FBI used a partisan campaign document to get a warrant to spy on a rival campaign. And shows the FBI omitted crucial information from the FISA court. No spin can change those basic facts.




I look forward to the release of Pathfinder Schiffs memo too (which had a unanimous vote by the committee for release to the public as opposed to the Dem attempt to stop this release ) .
Next release 4 FISA Applications and the name of every Obot who made an unmasking request . Sunshine is the best disinfectant for a corrupt government . So far the emperor has been immune from the scrutiny . But I find it all but impossible to believe that he wasn't the puppet master behind the scenes . We just need to be patient and peel this onion one layer at a time .

Nice rant from a repub want to be! I'll just wait for the rest of the story because Trump, his sycophants, and stooges have NO credibility. Monday is the day. Why is Trump distracted from the real issue of Russian interference? In his words Tom, "It's a disgrace what happening in this country!". We agree on that!

Even the repubs aren't saying that Mueller's investigation is not legit. Nor that Page is innocent, and we know Flynn, and Papadopoulos have already pleaded to a lesser charge, and Gates and Manafort are set for trial. Yeah let's peel the onion we have NOW?

Stop looking at Fox FAKENews!

Why was sentencing of Flynn delayed ? The whole group got nabbed for process crimes or unrelated issues .

Come on you know he's working for a better sentence. That's what criminals do when they get caught. I heard that Gates is going to rollover for Mueller too!

or it could be that Mueller knows that Flynn was tricked into having the interview with disgraced FBI agent Peter Strzok without a lawyer. Why did the original judge hearing the case recuse himself (the same judge

Contreras who the emperor appointed to the FISA court and probably granted the FISA applications to spy on the Trump campaign)?
Actually he did not recuse himself ;he was removed from the case by
either the Chief Judge or the DC Circuit.

http://www.fisc.uscourts.gov/current-membership

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-flynn/judge-presiding-over-michael-flynn-criminal-case-is-recused-court-idUSKBN1E202V



The whole Flynn case stinks . He plead guilty because his defense was draining his families finances :AND Meuller began threatening going after his son.

. No spin can change those basic facts.


Those are NOT the "basic facts" - as anyone who watches media other than FOX News would know in a flash. When will you characters learn?

I can't resist this - Donald the Dope tweeted that "I am responsible for the lowest Black unemployment rate in history". He tweeted this repetition from his Tuesday night false speech - false in almost every way, not just Black unemployment.

Today, the Bureau of Labor Statistics reported the biggest INCREASE in Black unemployment in YEARS! It jumped from 6.8% to 7.7% in January. The world waits for the stupid man to take credit for the bad news. HA! Don't hold your breath. He will ignore the bad news as he always does.

For the record, I only challenge Trump on this issue because he's such a blowhard when it comes to Black unemployment. Unemployment, Black or White, is the result of many factors, not whose fat a** sits in the White House.

Here's another one for the idiot. The stock market dropped 666 points today!!!!! The evangelicals will love that one - maybe it will help them realize exactly who it is they they are supporting. Like unemployment, the stock market has many factors affecting its performance. Donald the Dunce is clueless on that score also.

What's more disturbing than The Dufus allowing the Nunes clown show, was this little tidbit,

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/01/politics/pompeo-russian-spies-meeting/index.html

I mean the Dufus makes a very big PUBLIC deal of disgraceful stuff and people, but mum is the word when Russia is involved. Even Punk Paul is in on this distraction. Nobody can make this guy obey the law? I can't believe repubs are attacking the FBI or DOJ, when their appointees are the ones running it.

What are we missing here? What are we being distracted from?

What are we missing here? What are we being distracted from?

The fix is in, Trump stole government from the people

The fix is in, Trump stole government from the people
Wrong ... on the contrary......

So far, not one Democrat has broken ranks. They will surely find procedural problems with the House memo. They will continue to wage their fight, a la Hollywood congressman Adam Schiff, on behalf of “the resistance.” But a resistance is not an opposition. The numerous landmines Obama and Clinton left behind them, intending to waylay the initially awkward Trump administration, are starting to detonate—on Democrats.The vulgar Trump isn’t constrained by convention. He won’t go soft on politicians who saw no problem in issuing FISA warrants in the midst of a presidential campaign and then keeping them operational into his first term in office. As the information comes out, the Democrats’ FISA subterfuge will be seen by much of the country as a soft coup attempt. There’s no other way to put it.

https://www.city-journal.org/html/nunes-memo-just-opening-act-15704.html

The Obots in the emperor's adm (and probably the emperor himself ....along with the DNC and the Democrat compliant press all conspired to fix an election (going as far back as fixing the Democrat primaries ,and later the general election)by deceiving the FISA court to spy on the Trump campaign . Russians could not have done a better job destroying American institutions than the Democrats have.

Why is The Dufus defending Carter Page? That's the bottom line as more of The Dufus's Russian ties comes to light. Surely the Alt right loony fringe is not suggesting we should ignore Goofy Pages business practices, that no doubt lead to Trump? Come on Tom, even you cannot believe that if so far 4 former flunkies are criminals that they acted without instruction from higher up?

More blame it on Obama BS, so w don't pay attention to what The Dufus and his sycophants are doing NOW!

More blame it on Obama BS, so w don't pay attention to what The Dufus and his sycophants are doing NOW!

Yep, you have to have someone to blame and who better than the other fellow, look BO and Dilliary were into dirty tricks, but they didn't win, because they forgot it wasn't about how many votes you got, but how many college votes you had

Come on Tom, even you cannot believe that if so far 4 former flunkies are criminals that they acted without instruction from higher up?

Carter Page ....according to the records ,the Feds became suspicious of him October 2016 because of a trip he took to Moscow .That was a month AFTER Page left the Trump campaign. He is not charged with anything ;but it was their suspicions of him from the info they got from the Steele dossier that started the FISA process.

Trump's team hired him because the inexperienced Trump was the improbable candidate and had no clue how to hire a foreign policy team. That task was left to Sam Clovis , a talk show host who had joined the Trump campaign .Page as with most of Trump's team was not vetted the way a professional staff would've been .All they knew was that Page had done business in Russia ;and part of the Trump plank was to improve relations with Russia where there was shared common interests (like fighting jihadistan) . What was Page's contribution ? Nada . Page testified that he NEVER met with Trump ;and he missed the only meeting Trump's campaign foreign policy team had.
Mueller has as far as I can tell ,no interest in pursuing Page either for charges or as a witness.

I'll deal with the 4 Mueller has wacked later .

Clete ;here is another angle . The FBI ,and everyone in the government was convinced that Evita was going to win. Lisa Page ,one of the FBI operatives elbow deep in this controversy texted to her lover
Peter Strzok a key FBI player in this folly ;"
One more thing: she [Hillary Clinton] might be our next president. The last thing you need us going in there loaded for bear. You think she’s going to remember or care that it was more doj than fbi?"
But with a Trump victory ,all their past covering up for Evita's crimes were going to be investigated by a new DOJ team. They texted about having an 'insurance policy' against a Trump win. What you are seeing here is that insurance policy being played out by rogue elements in the FBI . I say rogue ,but most of the players were and are still high ranking officials in the swamp.

You get the gist of it. You must also understand that repubs know to keep power they also have to fall in line behind The Dufus because his base, that he keeps fed very well with an abundance of red meat, is their base too, and riling Trump could cost them in the 2018 election, and The Dufus knows how to take over the air waves with whatever peeves or antics he engages in. The lame stream media may be going in circles with those antics most times, but truth be told, many are NOT so distracted, or not for long enough, and despite his barrage on the norms of the system the layers of his corruption and wrong doings will be peeled away.

LOL he thinks he can survive anything but he will be tested. He has been coasting along on Obama's coat tails, but soon he will be forced to govern, and address the REAL issues and all that bluster and loony hollering won't help him. 4 more days until the shutdown showdown is BACK!


Clete ;here is another angle . The FBI ,and everyone in the government was convinced that Evita was going to win. Lisa Page ,one of the FBI operatives elbow deep in this controversy texted to her lover
Peter Strzok a key FBI player in this folly ;"
One more thing: she [Hillary Clinton] might be our next president. The last thing you need us going in there loaded for bear. You think she’s going to remember or care that it was more doj than fbi?"
But with a Trump victory ,all their past covering up for Evita's crimes were going to be investigated by a new DOJ team. They texted about having an 'insurance policy' against a Trump win. What you are seeing here is that insurance policy being played out by rogue elements in the FBI . I say rogue ,but most of the players were and are still high ranking officials in the swamp.




It helps a lot when the right wing conspiracy machine chases it's own tail. You can bet The Dufus loves it when his followers are chasing waterfalls and butterflies, and VOTES!

Papadopoulos... The new narrative that is being forwarded is that the Russian collusion probe began after Papadopoulos and an Aussie diplomat sat down for a bender. During the course of the conversation Papadopoulos told the Aussie that he knew the Russians had dirt on Evita and had Evita emails . He said he got his information from 'the Professor ' ;someone he met in Italy who supposedly had ties to Russian government connections .

When WikLeaks started disclosing some of the information from the unprotected DNC email system ,and Evita's illegal unsecured server ,the diplomat reported his conversation to the FBI. This happened some time in May 2016. Well if that is so ,then why did they wait until Feb of last year to interview him ? Why were the FISA requests about Carter Page when by all logic they could make a better case against Papadopoulos? After all ,hadn't Trump made an off the cuff comment that if the Russians had hacked Evita emails that he hoped they released them ?
If the basis of spying on the Trump campaign was based on the drunken musings of a low level Trump staffer then that makes the Dem abuse of the FISA system even more odious.

Papadopoulos thought more of himself and his position than reality and it was for that that he got nailed making false statements to the FBI .The idea that he
would be allowed close enough to Trump's inner circle to be a credible source and authority is absurd.

Okay okay, I give! You win! I'll just ask how Obama and Hillary got Trumps repub picks to go along with this conspiracy against Trump?

The charges against Manafort and Gates have nothing to do with the Trump campaign and predate the Trump candidacy.

Okay okay, I give! You win! I'll just ask how Obama and Hillary got Trumps repub picks to go along with this conspiracy against Trump? I don't know . I could argue that Evita had a larger interest in a Russian relationship . What we know of it was quite lucrative . https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-as-russians-pressed-for-control-of-uranium-company.html

Hannity says the charges against Flynn and Manafort should be dropped and Mueller fired. You think repubs will go along with that?

Are you going to bring back all the DEBUNKED Hillary conspiracy theories the loony right loves so much?

I don't listen to Hannity and I don't think it would be wise to fire Mueller or Rod Rosenstein. I would however demand that Rosenstein (who has been awol and has let Mueller run his investigation unsupervised )oversee the investigation .Don't forget that Rosenstein appointed Mueller disregarding the rules of appointing a special investigation. The rules clearly say that a crime has to be named BEFORE a special council is appointed . That was never done. A crime has still not been named . But now we hear that Mueller wants to question the President despite the absence of a crime ,or any indication that Trump has relevant information. Mueller is operating without any parameters and that arrangement has to end .

BTW what you call debunked conspiracy theory was reported by the Dem's bible . The NY Times .

But hey ,lets appoint a prosecutor to investigate Evita with no restrictions .I for one want to know the content of the 20 odd emails that the emperor sent to Evita directly to her through her server (remember ...the emperor lied about when he found out about Evita's server and those emails prove it . ) I think they must've discussed classified information on those emails .Oh we know the emperor says he did not 'collude ' with Evita's mishandling of classified emails .Maybe his emailing her was just "extremely careless" .

The prosecutor of that case should then also question Bubba . His tarmac meeting with AG Lynch had to be related right ? And of course he was at least a witness to the use of the server.

And of course Evita should be hauled in for questioning .....this time without her co conspirator attorney and her personal flunky by her side .

Maybe as the special prosecutor I'll bust into their houses in the dead of night with agents with guns drawn to search their homes for relevant information like Mueller did to Manafort . If Trump sic'ed a prosecutor on the Obots like that ,the Dems would be howling about a fascist government using extraordinary investigative powers not because he has established a case ;but because he can .

Before Mueller thinks about interrogating the President ,he 'd better have strong evidence that Trump committed a crime . and for an FYI 'collusion ' is only a crime when related to anti-trust laws .

Quis custodiet ipsos custodies? is the question .

It is all a fishing expedition

Mueller (A republican and experienced and RESPECTED FBI director) was appointed to investigate the crime of election interference by a foreign government, and if any American(s) helped them. With 4 of Trumps closest involved and charged with a crime you damn right he should be questioned.

No one is above the law and previous presidents have testified, so why can't he? If he I innocent no collusion or conspiracy then he shouldn't be worried with his lying cheating big mouth tidy whitey a$$! Or he can take the Nixon way out RESIGN, or keep firing people.

CONGRATS EAGLES!

CONGRATS EAGLES!


And they did it against the best 4thQ QB ever!

Mueller (A republican and experienced and RESPECTED FBI director) was appointed to investigate the crime of election interference by a foreign government, and if any American(s) helped them. With 4 of Trumps closest involved and charged with a crime you damn right he should be questioned.

No one is above the law and previous presidents have testified, so why can't he? If he I innocent no collusion or conspiracy then he shouldn't be worried with his lying cheating big mouth tidy whitey a$$! Or he can take the Nixon way out RESIGN, or keep firing people.

CONGRATS EAGLES!

Pardon Tal your bias is showing, Trump can be interviewed but if Mueller really has evidence he can supeona him but it really is a fishing expedition, just like the Hilliary emails. We know these people have a case to answer, the question is what is the case, who is the answer it, and that isn't obvious. A few little fish will take a fall, and Trump will pardon them. The whole thing looks like a deliberate plot to create the herring rouge, one chases esponage this way, another chases influence that way. Meanwhile we get a good laugh watching the circus

https://youtu.be/T7J0RSC1ICw

You are right Mueller can subpoena The Dufus to appear before him, and I have set out his options very clearly above, but you and Lou Dobbs can spout off all the right wing loony talking points you want, it changes nothing, and only your fellow loonies would even buy that crap. Talk about phishing? Hillary has been investigated for decades... they got nothing, but hollering, Obama has been hollered about for 8 solid years and counting... you got nothing.

Now it's the Dufus's turn in the barrel, and we will see if we phish any better than you wingers do. You may think me biased, no more than you are, or anyone else for that matter. I can't help but think that you and the rest of the far right talk some really crazy stuff sometimes. I understand it even though I don't agree most times, but the bigger picture is I feel that Trumps onslaught of the LAW is purely elf serving and he is hiding something and needs to be as thoroughly and vigorously scrutinized as those before him.

You and The Dufus are daft if you think you can holler and scream about others constantly, and nobody will holler back! Not going to happen. So yeah... I AM BIASED!

Russian interference in the election is a counter intelligence investigation. There is no crime and no charges have been made related to that . The 4 people Mueller charged were for process related issues or activities they were involved in before joining the Trump campaign.

By your own words Tom, Trump hired criminals, so WHY? That doesn't raise questions and concerns in your mind?

They are charged . There was no indication they did anything wrong when hired . My admission was that Trump was not an insider and there were few insiders willing to join his campaign .So he did not have a deep pool to pick from in the spring of 2016 .

Seems to me a simple background check would have revealed a lot about their past activities, or a GOOGLE search, and the fake news sure knew about their pasts, but given the exodus of so many then it would seem the pool of the best and brightest would be really shrinking, and I find it fascinating he denigrates his own appointees at justice, and the FBI and lauds the rank and file. Strange when FISA warrants starts at the FBI, facts investigated and verified at the rank and file field agents and sent up the chain to be reviewed and signed off on. Not knowing that basic FACT about the process is disturbing but more disturbing is he hasn't LEARNED it yet. You can forgive a stooge like Hannity, or even anybody for that matter, for not knowing fully about those FACTS of process, but NOT POTUS! Don't you agree?

TWO DAYS left until Shutdown Showdown.

How does possible misconduct by senior FBI officials intersect with the Mueller investigation?

I can't answer that since the only ones in DC saying it are a few repubs while most others say one has nothing to do with the other. Now there is a few who are calling for Rosenstein's firing by Trump and here we still have many repubs saying there is no cause for it, so you tell me. I guess if Trump declassifies the rest of the FISA documents we get to see that "possible" misconduct.

If there is NO misconduct now what?

I already said I think all the docs should be declassified and released. How else we going to expose the lies in Pathfinder Schiff's memo ?

What should we do with the lies in Nunes's memo? Or more accurately the lies about the memo? One big whopper is it clears The Dufus of collusion.

I'll tell you the lies that the Nunes memo exposed ..... there was not a shred of evidence that Carter Page was doing anything illegal. It is not illegal to have business with Russia. It is not even illegal to "collude" with Russia. There must be probable cause that a crime has been committed before a warrant can be granted, and there was none against Page or anyone else. (He had never been charged with anything.) The source of the Steele dossier was never mentioned to the judge when they sought the original warrant, even though the FBI knew that it was wholly funded by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. (Deputy Asst AG Bruce Ohr's wife happened to work at Fusion GPS, which hired Steele.) They never sought to verify any of the information in the dossier, and when they concluded that the dossier was virtually entirely fiction they went back to the judge THREE ADDITIONAL TIMES to get the warrant renewed, never once disclosing that the source had been discredited. Andrew McCabe, whose wife was a Va State Senate candidate who had received substantial funding from Clinton bagman Terry McCauliffe and the Va Democratic Party testified before the Intelligence Committee that without the Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier, there would have been no basis for any kind of FISA warrant whatsoever). And to boot, they offered a Michael Isikoff article as supporting evidence for the warrant, EVEN THOUGH ISIKOFF'S SOURCE WAS CHRISTOPHER STEELE! AND THE FBI KNEW THIS AND DIDN'T MENTION IT TO THE JUDGE!!!

I'll tell you the lies that the Nunes memo exposed ..... there was not a shred of evidence that Carter Page was doing anything illegal. It is not illegal to have business with Russia. It is not even illegal to "collude" with Russia. There must be probable cause that a crime has been committed before a warrant can be granted, and there was none against Page or anyone else. (He had never been charged with anything.)

https://www.buzzfeed.com/alimwatkins/a-former-trump-adviser-met-with-a-russian-spy?utm_term=.wono9Onmd#.fpZMxwQpg

Maybe its not illegal, and maybe he will never be charged, but you darn well should make sure there is nothing there before you just assume there is nothing to see here.


The source of the Steele dossier was never mentioned to the judge when they sought the original warrant, even though the FBI knew that it was wholly funded by the DNC and the Clinton campaign. (Deputy Asst AG Bruce Ohr's wife happened to work at Fusion GPS, which hired Steele.) They never sought to verify any of the information in the dossier, and even after they fired Page and concluded that the dossier was virtually entirely fiction they went back to the judge THREE ADDITIONAL TIMES to get the warrant renewed, never once disclosing that the source had been discredited. Andrew McCabe, whose wife was a Va State Senate candidate who had received substantial funding from Clinton bagman Terry McCauliffe and the Va Democratic Party testified before the Intelligence Committee that without the Fusion GPS/Steele Dossier, there would have been no basis for any kind of FISA warrant whatsoever). And to boot, they offered a Michael Isikoff article as supporting evidence for the warrant, EVEN THOUGH ISIKOFF'S SOURCE WAS CHRISTOPHER STEELE! AND THE FBI KNEW THIS AND DIDN'T MENTION IT TO THE JUDGE!!!

Lets see now, two candidates under investigation, one publicly, one NOT. One candidate looking for dirt on an opponent knew the dirt was stolen (HACKED) by a foreign power, and used it, the other paid for dirt the repubs found already. So that wholly funded crap doesn't wash!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-dossier-paul-singer.html

As for verifying the dossier Tom, of course they did,

Comey hinted that Trump-Russia dossier will be verified - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-steele-trump-russia-dossier-will-be-verified-2017-6)

Do you really think they went back three times to renew the warrant without enough supporting evidence to get it reissued? That is a stretch, but I guess we will find that out soon enough, as well as what McCabe really said. As to McCabe's wife, TOTALLY IRRELEVANT, but I guess if you are looking for crap to stick you throw everything you can against the wall.

I think it's best to see what comes out next since The Dufus has FIVE days to release more of this case. I also think you have to separate the POLITICAL machinations from the LEGAL process to keep things straight so sorry if I don't get excited about the way the dubious at best happenings of Page will help The Dufus at all at this point. Nor should we be distracted by this side show as I see no good coming from trying to discredit law enforcement. It's more likely in my opinion that Nunes is working for Trump and not the American people.

The Schiff memo will be released . comedy relief .

As for verifying the dossier Tom, of course they did,

Comey hinted that Trump-Russia dossier will be verified - Business Insider (http://www.businessinsider.com/comey-steele-trump-russia-dossier-will-be-verified-2017-6)

October of 2016. Second Comey FISA request relying on the Steele Dossier – FISA Warrant Issued to spy on Carter Page. Andrew McCabe makes it clear that without the dossier, there would have been no FISA warrant.
The dossier has never been verified – to this day. Comey told Trump in January of 2017 that the dossier was “unverified.”

Yet, Comey represented to the FISA Court that the dossier was credible – in part, by citing a Yahoo news story on the matter. However, Comey knew that that story was planted by the dossier author Christopher Steele. In other words, it was not an independent verification of the dossier.

All in all, Comey swore under oath that the Court should consider the dossier credible evidence so that the FBI could spy on Carter Page – even though Page had already left the campaign. Given that it was known that Page already left the campaign, it could well be that Carter Page was the fall guy excuse to begin domestic spying on others.

Without question, Comey misled the FISA Court by submitting and vouching for the unverified dossier and pushing the Yahoo News story. Those were not the only questionable acts, misrepresentations nor omissions of Comey.

I gotcha Tom. You're on record as saying the dossier is ALL they got on Page and used it 3 times to get a warrant to surveille him through the FISA court. Hmm, maybe that was the whole intent of this Nunes gyrations... to see what they had on Trumps buddy Page, and discredit the FBI and Justice Dept. for Trump's own benefit.

We still have to wait for the Dem memo to be released, or if there is any connection between the White house, and Nunes. There is enough other stuff to deal with while we wait for Dufus to decide though, like another shutdown, and a debt ceiling issue, AND the price increases I predicted.

your wasting your time with the Schiff memo . You want to read the Nadler memo . Nadler would be the one to run the impeachment proceedings if the Dems gain the majority . It is weak as hell and blatantly political ( Dear Democrat colleagues.... leaked to NBC news ) . But it is a fun read .http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/TODAY/z_Creative/inline-headers/FINAL%20DRAFT%20--%20Dear%20Colleague%20on%20Nunes%20Memo.pdf

Yeah that was fun, but this may be funner... 8)

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/donald-trump-government-shutdown-protect-us-borders/2018/02/06/id/841798/?ns_mail_uid=1933902&ns_mail_job=1777616_02062018&s=al&dkt_nbr=010135czvvaj

Here is the rather heavily redacted memo from Senate Judiciary Commitee Chair Senators Grassley and Graham . The gist of it is a criminal referral for Christopher Steele . https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2018-02-02%20CEG%20LG%20to%20DOJ%20FBI%20(Unclassified%20S teele%20Referral).pdf

Turns out the Steele was lying and misleading just about everyone he dealt with ;including the FBI and Brit Intel. Not only that ;he was feeding these lies to Yahoo news .They published ,and then the Yahoo news feed was used as independent confirmation of the dossier. It gets even better ...... Steele did not even do his own digging . Much of the Steele dossier was information he received from Sid Blumenthal ,aka the Evita campaign.
(you remember him from the days of inventing the birther controversy that so angered the emperor that he told Evita he could not be hired by her State Dept ....not that that stopped her . )

Trump is the one they should arrest for lying, just like everybody else associated with him. EEEK! I sound like Smoothy now! 8(

Didn't they try to arrest Ellsberg too? Oh wait, he WAS arrested and charged and we know how that worked out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Ellsberg

Ellsberg stole top secret documents. Back then libs like Katherine Graham and Ben Bradlee were willing to go to jail to release top secret documents about government abuse of power . Now the Dems argue that such release harm national security . They went to all types of extreme contortions trying to prevent Nunes from releasing his summary .They claimed he was putting national security at risk , Sound familiar ? The same arguments Nixon used.

They aren't saying that now since repubs released their memo... devoid of anything but BS! But if the Dufus allows it, then it will look like that Grassley letter, REDACTED. The thing is who will redact what since I expect The Dufus to try his level best to cherry pick what FACTS get released. EX Gen, Kelly hinted as much.

No doubt Mueller is watching with keen interest.

The Grassley memo is clearly redacted because it makes foundation for a criminal referral . The only reason the Dems don't want the FISA warranted released is because it exposes how baseless they were .

The dems wanted their version released with the repubs piece of crap. They sided with the DOJ, and FBI in not releasing any of these memos from the start. All that changed when Nunes flimsy memo with no underlying FACTS was made public. What a clown show that was with plenty of hype he didn't deliver on.

Repubs will be exposed, yet again, for the incompetent clowns they are.

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Remember when the Dems mocked Romney for calling Russia our number one geopolitical threat ? Remember when the Dems thought that domestic spying was an abuse ? Remember when it was the left that questioned the motives of the deep state ? I thought that the Bush era created a built in distrust for the national security apparatus . Remember there was a time when prominent Dems news moguls like Katherine Graham and Ben Bradley were willing to go to jail to release government secrets ? How benevolent do you think American power and institutions are ? Don't you think it strange that they have gone all out to completely destroy the first outsider elected to the Presidency since perhaps Andrew Jackson or Abe Lincoln. (no I am certainly not comparing Trump to Lincoln except for the fact that his election made the establishment's head explode ) . And yes the libs in their effort to take down Trump have become unhinged if they believe this pile of cow excrement conspiracy theory . Someone show me how exactly the Russians made any significant change in the outcome . Even if I were to concede that the Russians attempted to interfere in the elections tell me how they influenced them . No one changed their votes because the DNC and Evita did not properly secure their emails . No one has proven that any voting machine was "hacked:" . Even if the Russians attempted it (and they probably did ) ,was it any worse then our move to get Yeltsen elected

http://content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19960715,00.html

,or the emperor's attempts to unseat Netanyahu ,
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2016/07/12/ngo-connected-to-obamas-2008-campaign-used-u-s-tax-dollars-trying-to-oust-netanyahu/?utm_term=.e07fe32f4f3a

or our proven meddling in the Ukraine election .....or the many other elections we've "hacked " throughout the years ?http://www.vocativ.com/388500/election-interference-us-45-countries/index.html

Don't conflate politicians trying to get elected with actual governing policy Tom. Yes many nations have moved up the chain in cyber capabilities and turned our tactics against us. I fully acknowledge our efforts to topple authoritarian regimes has always been at play, going back to the world wars, probably better than raising Armies, and committing blood and treasure.

What we should be aware of is that it can and does happen here a well and The Dufus has failed to even acknowledge it, and there is AMPLE evidence that Russia is in deeper in very sophisticated ways into our institutions than most know and Dufus has done nothing about it.

I for one don't think this is a coincidence, or just incompetence, but intentionally turning a blind eye to the threat to our nation. As it stands you or anybody else doesn't know the total effects of the Russian meddling, or what they intend to do AGAIN, as said by our own agencies that are tasked with finding out the FACTS, except the Commander and Chief!

Yes Tom we weaponized the cyber tools, and others followed, but to stand idly by while they turn those weapons on us now is unacceptable.

there is AMPLE evidence that Russia is in deeper in very sophisticated ways into our institutions than most know
well said Joe McCarthy . By all means investigate Russian meddling .It would be money much better spent than this Evita campaign and the emperor's initiated witch hunt against Trump.


http://www.nationalreview.com/article/456287/grassley-graham-memo-affirms-nunes-memo-fisa-steele-dossier

So you really believe that the Steele Dossier is all they have on Page? On Trump? Just because a few repubs are rallying around The Dufus and seemingly Page, we still have no evidence the FISA judges were derelict in their own due diligence, nor the investigators were partisan in theirs.

Just a lot of right wing hollering points, so be cool, and wait, and enjoy the scandals.

That is all they submitted for the FISA warrants . Andy McCarthy was a Fed prosecutor for years . He led the prosecution of the Blind Sheik .He is not one to believe in conspiracy theories ,and until he read the memo from Senator's Grassley and Graham was unwilling to buy into a narrative that the FBI would be involved in domestic espionage against a Presidential candidate .

Yes I think they only used the Steele dossier ;and like McCarthy wrote ,a Yahoo article submitted by Steele to verify Steele's info. The part they didn't count on was Evita losing the election . Had she won ,all this stuff would've been forever buried .

CNN found the smoking gun of Russian collusion !!! Big Russian group anticipated for DC prayer breakfast - CNNPolitics (http://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/politics/russia-delegation-washington-prayer-breakfast/index.html?sr=twCNN020718russia-delegation-washington-prayer-breakfast0129PMVODtop)

I would rather have FACTS to judge and not just opinions... from either side to be honest. You will have to forgive me if Grassley and Graham don't have as much credibility given their past partisan stunts and behavior. More than the Dufus for sure who is a proven liar, cheater, and selfish manipulator. His current staffing problems will overshadow his Russian and budget problems for a while at least until he comes up with a new scandal to hit us with.

He already announced his infrastructure plan is about to be unveiled and of course how he pays for it. Gas tax anyone? You may have to ask the boss for a raise, or another bonus.

Trump is a typical lefty . Raising the gas tax or any tax is all they have (except he wants to toll the roads too). Before we spend another penny on infrastructure we ought to ask where all the money collected for the perpetually insolvent 'highway trust fund ' went . His proposal is stupid in so many levels. Why are we going to build all new 20th century infrastructure ? Let the states maintain what they have or build more if they choose . If we are going to fund any infrastructure at all at the Federal level it should be to transition into the 21st century (now that we are finishing the 2nd decade of it already ) . All Trump is proposing is his own version of porkulus .

That's exactly what most mayor and governors are saying, dems and repubs, think congress will listen? I doubt it.

Trump is a typical lefty . Raising the gas tax or any tax is all they have (except he wants to toll the roads too). Before we spend another penny on infrastructure we ought to ask where all the money collected for the perpetually insolvent 'highway trust fund ' went . His proposal is stupid in so many levels. Why are we going to build all new 20th century infrastructure ? Let the states maintain what they have or build more if they choose . If we are going to fund any infrastructure at all at the Federal level it should be to transition into the 21st century (now that we are finishing the 2nd decade of it already ) . All Trump is proposing is his own version of porkulus .

And a great plan it will be, because he said he was going to do it, and there it is. Now you can no longer ask where is the promised infrastructure. It's logical, a great nation must have great infrastructure and a great wall. Look at China, they have a great wall, and great infrastructure, toll roads criss-cross the country, high speed rail carries billions, you have fallen behind and must catch up, but no, you count the cost

high speed rail .lol The VAST majority of travel here is local . What I'm talking about is the infrastructure to bring LNG to filling stations so nat gas engines compete with gasoline engines in the market place. What I'm talking about is 21st century roads that can accommodate driverless vehicles . What I'm talking about is light rail running parallel to highways . What I'm talking about is pipelines that keep us from having to transport energy over roadways and freight rail .


The notion that America’s infrastructure is “crumbling” and in poor condition is not supported by data. The percentage of the nation’s bridges deemed “structurally deficient”has declined annually and now sits at under 10 percent, well under half of what it was 25 years ago
Our airports and airways safely move more people and goods than those of any other nation. Overall, the U.S. ranks near the top of G-7 nations for infrastructure quality .



The revenue that are collected through the gas tax and tolling is more than enough to cover filling pot holes and building new bridges when necessary . And it is not like that is the sole source of funding . We had $800 billion in shovel ready porkulus at the beginning of the emperor's reign ;and another $305 billion bill passed a few years ago. So any state that wants to invest in old infrastructure ;go ahead and knock yourselves out .


Eliminate all funding for local and wasteful projects such as bike paths. The Federal government should chip in for the maintenance of the Interstate system only .
Don't expect the rest of the country to pay for pot hole filling on county roads .

But if you want 21st century infrastructure ,then I'm all for it . Reduce the stagnating regulations that prevent development of a national broad band . Privatize airports like many European nations have already done. That's just a few ideas .

The Dufus has bragged he is the king of debt, that's how he made his money, he says. I doubt seriously if he cares about anybody else's money being he has stiffed many who have worked for him and with him. He already got his with his tax cuts, so what does he care about spending OUR MONEY?

I really don't think we care about the Chinese Clete, their trains or walls and yes eventually cost of stuff and who pays for it does matter. Punk Paul and repubs hope to kill two birds with one stone, deficit reduction through entitlement reform. Then they will have their trifecta.

Righties called Obama the Emperor, but they think The Dufus is their savior.

Entitlement reform is coming whether we like it or not . It is unsustainable now ;let alone after Trump adds Ivanka's pet entitlement to the system (paid family leave).

I though you guys used chain gangs to fill pot holes on country roads, you should have more than enough free labour in prisons, even enough to build that light rail but don't knock bike paths you are going to need them. Having shovel ready projects doesn't mean they got built or were necessary, you just need to forget your love affair with gas guzzling monsters and you won't need those pipelines. National broadband isn't all its cracked up to be, just another sinkhole that should be provided by that capitalist investment system, but it isn't profitable, a few hundred billion, that is just a few thousand per person spread over a very long time, if it was built ten years ago it probably needs to be done again. You want to eliminate local funding but you are supposed to be about states, states that can't raise enough revenue, cities that are bankrupt. Tom, the system doesn't work, and you say you don't want federal help, what you need to do is get rid of wasteful local government

Entitlement reform is coming whether we like it or not . It is unsustainable now ;let alone after Trump adds Ivanka's pet entitlement to the system (paid family leave).

Yeah take stuff away from aging older folks, women, and children and give it to the rich and uber rich. Build a wall along the southern border, and ignore lunatics shooting up schools, movie houses, restaurants, churches, concerts, and malls. Destroy the civil right division of the justice department and deport an illegal when he drops his kid at school. Protect wife beater and sexual predators, and ignore foreign enemies.

Tell me more about this grand plan that will make America great again! The Dufus's speech after the 19th school shooting THIS YEAR says it all!

What's unsustainable is giving permanent deep tax cuts to already rich guys, and doing NOTHING else for the rest of us.

What's unsustainable is giving permanent deep tax cuts to already rich guys, and doing NOTHING else for the rest of us.

Yes Tal but the theory says, the rich guys will spend it in the right place, as distinct from the entitled who will only spend it to survive. You will never change anything while your nation clings to eighteenth century thinking while trying to relate to the twenty first century circumstances.. Learn that taxation is theft and governments should find other ways to fund themselves. Tom is correct, the age of entitlement must end, you should not be able to take more out of the system than you put in, and that means that government must ensure everyone is employed so they have something to put in. Instead of subsidies to promote employment, business taxes should be geared to how many are employed, a sort of reverse payroll tax

The Dufus's speech after the 19th school shooting THIS YEAR says it all! I did not hear it but I suspect it was the typical predictable tropes that you always hear after shootings . So far the only thing I take from this is that the FBI knew about the warning signs for the shooter and did nothing . Maybe they should spend less time chasing phantom collusion theories and spend more time chasing down legitimate threats .

Yes Tal but the theory says, the rich guys will spend it in the right place, as distinct from the entitled who will only spend it to survive.

Screw the theory because for rich guys spending in the right place means a huge return on their investment, and government is about investing in the welfare of it's people, not just the rich.


You will never change anything while your nation clings to eighteenth century thinking while trying to relate to the twenty first century circumstances.

Naw Clete the righties are in the 1950's and that's the 20th century. They are as slow as they are loud.


Learn that taxation is theft and governments should find other ways to fund themselves. Tom is correct, the age of entitlement must end, you should not be able to take more out of the system than you put in, and that means that government must ensure everyone is employed so they have something to put in. Instead of subsidies to promote employment, business taxes should be geared to how many are employed, a sort of reverse payroll tax

I can agree that the political class has stolen a lot of loot, but now they want to steal the benefits of being an American, and that crosses a line, since it's our money they are stealing when we need it the most. Maybe the thing to do is start penalizing American companies who abuse workers, instead of rewarding them. Our government has nothing to do with hiring, firing, benefits, wages or pensions in the private sector, and that's part of the problem, as we have allowed the private sector to buy our elected officials, and work against the citizen who put them in office.

Between Vlad, Dufus, and his sycophants in congress, we are in deep do do.

hey Tal ;did you see how much revenue the government collected last month ? The trickling begins .


since it's our money they are stealing now you notice the government steals our money . A little late to the game but welcome aboard . Where is the SS trust fund ;both disability and Old age funds ? Where is all the money collected from us since we started working to pay for Medicare ? Where is all the money that was collected in gas taxes for the highway trust fund ? Here's the facts ..... the highway trust fund will be insolvent by 2021 , SSDI will be insolvent by 2023, Medicare by 2027 . The only thing keeping Medicare afloat at present is the double counting budget gimmicks created by Obamacare. In the year prior to the law’s enactment, the program’s trustees estimated that the Part A trust fund would become insolvent by 2017

OASI by 2030 .


Of course since some of this will happen ,maybe in herr Donald's second term ,he will take the blame even though we have known since it's inception that these entitlement programs were ponzi schemes .

Then add to that , public pensions are underfunded because the states have the same sticky finger problems and we are looking at a real crisis as baby boomers leave the work force.

I though you guys used chain gangs to fill pot holes on country roads, You have been watching too many 1930s era movies . We use over paid union labor to fill pot holes . Here is an example of the typical work crew .

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_Jj6668dttDQ/TK_EPjanPPI/AAAAAAAAEjM/KGkM2Tge5uc/s1600/road+crew.jpg

Let me clarify Tom, the government doesn't steal the money, politicians steal the money. BIG difference.

What? No shovels to lean on, you are severely disadvantaged, I don't know how you get any work done at all

The shovel crew has already done their work Clete. Check out a video of the whole process if you like to see the shovel crew.

The shovel crew has already done their work Clete. Check out a video of the whole process if you like to see the shovel crew.

Shovels are not for working with Tal they are for leaning on, by the way that is a pic, not a video