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tomder55
Dec 30, 2017, 01:59 PM
An immigrant from Ghana who came to America six years ago and recently graduated from Army Basic Training died helping people escape from an apartment fire. A true American hero in every sense of both words.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/29/soldier-home-for-holidays-died-saving-lives-in-bronx-inferno/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
Athos
Jan 12, 2018, 11:05 PM
An immigrant from Ghana who came to America six years ago and recently graduated from Army Basic Training died helping people escape from an apartment fire. A true American hero in every sense of both words.
https://nypost.com/2017/12/29/soldier-home-for-holidays-died-saving-lives-in-bronx-inferno/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=NYPTwitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow
A few days ago the Army awarded Emmanuel Mensah The Soldier's Medal, the highest award of the Army for heroism outside of combat. New York State awarded him its Medal For Valor.
The citation on the state medal reads: “His courageous and selfless act in the face of unimaginable conditions are consistent with the highest traditions of uniformed service.” Mensah was an immigrant from Ghana, an African country notoriously insulted by Trump the other day.
Trump himself never served. He received five deferments during the Vietnam War- some were medically questionable.
As the entire world reverberates from Trump's vicious racist comments, we remember the young 28-year-old Ghanian who gave his life so that four others might live.
"Greater love hath no man than he lay down his life for his friend".
paraclete
Jan 13, 2018, 05:39 AM
Yes Trump denigrated his sacrifice, but then what do you expect from someone of his background?
talaniman
Jan 13, 2018, 06:17 AM
I expect him to learn to do better, and be better. Fact is there are many more positive people to be honored, such as this hero originally from Ghana, than there are rapists and criminals who should be rounded up and deported. Is it too much to ask the chief executive of the best country in the world to speak and act responsibly? I would settle for less lying for now.
I mean cancelling the opening of a new embassy in London because Obama built it was a HUGE whopper on many levels, since Obama had nothing to do with it, it was Bushes project for better embassy security, and the fact that he was UNWELCOMED on the soil of our greatest ally in the world. You're right of course Clete, what should we expect of a lying self serving con man?
Forgive him, because he doesn't know what he is doing? I think he knows EXACTLY what he is doing, but I could be wrong!
paraclete
Jan 13, 2018, 03:19 PM
I expect him to learn to do better, and be better. Fact is there are many more positive people to be honored, such as this hero originally from Ghana, than there are rapists and criminals who should be rounded up and deported. Is it too much to ask the chief executive of the best country in the world to speak and act responsibly? I would settle for less lying for now.
I mean cancelling the opening of a new embassy in London because Obama built it was a HUGE whopper on many levels, since Obama had nothing to do with it, it was Bushes project for better embassy security, and the fact that he was UNWELCOMED on the soil of our greatest ally in the world. You're right of course Clete, what should we expect of a lying self serving con man?
Forgive him, because he doesn't know what he is doing? I think he knows EXACTLY what he is doing, but I could be wrong!
You know Tal, we once used to refer to the yellow peril, referring to those from s'hole countries to the north, but without effort you have found the orange peril right at home. Are you at risk from all those with corn coloured hair who Trump wants to import from Norway, why would anyone leave Norway, they have a higher per capita income than the US
talaniman
Jan 14, 2018, 06:50 AM
He won the election, but still isn't that popular Clete, especially in America, and the more he talks/tweets the less popular he becomes. Even those in his own party are considering censuring this Dufus with the dangerous mouth (And fingers). The people around him are as incompetent as he is. He lies better than a rug!
The more I see the less I like, and I am not alone. Election in 10 months so fingers crossed.
paraclete
Jan 14, 2018, 02:59 PM
He won the election, but still isn't that popular Clete, especially in America, and the more he talks/tweets the less popular he becomes. Even those in his own party are considering censuring this Dufus with the dangerous mouth (And fingers). The people around him are as incompetent as he is. He lies better than a rug!
The more I see the less I like, and I am not alone. Election in 10 months so fingers crossed.
All you can do is make him a lame duck, what good is that? You will not have curbed the mouth and the destructive rhetoric, taking away his power base will make him more dangerous
Athos
Jan 14, 2018, 05:30 PM
... taking away his power base will make him more dangerous
Taking away his power base in 2018 may result in a conviction via impeachment. At best, he is immediately run out of town by nightfall. The worst result is forbidding him to run for any office in 2020. Win-win.
paraclete
Jan 14, 2018, 08:09 PM
Taking away his power base in 2018 may result in a conviction via impeachment. At best, he is immediately run out of town by nightfall. The worst result is forbidding him to run for any office in 2020. Win-win.
If the shift is big enough to get the numbers, that seems fair
talaniman
Jan 15, 2018, 07:42 AM
Getting rid of some of The Dufus's sycophants that ignore his incompetence and divisive racially motivated loose use of language can only be a good thing, and helps greatly restore the balances and checks installed in the government by the founders of the constitution.
tomder55
Jan 15, 2018, 03:16 PM
figures that this non-political posting became another means to trash talk about herr Donald . Yeah I admit that his crude comments made in a private conversation ,that should never had been leaked ,were inappropriate..... (much like LBJ saying
“I'll have those n....ers voting Democratic for 200 years.” ...
or when he told the Greek ambassador,
"f--- your parliament and your constitution." And of course LBJ is one of your heroes ) .
If Trump had asked in a politically correct way why we need so many immigrants from "failed states " instead of "sh.t hole countries ";his point would've been the same . And I'm sure that is exactly the language he would've used if he knew his private conversations were going to be made public.
Note that all this trash talk about Trump ;and allegations that he paid off a porn star comes in the wake of the news that the Emperor's DOJ and FBI illegally used the uncollaborated opposition research "Trump Dossier" to obtain FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.
talaniman
Jan 15, 2018, 06:26 PM
figures that this non-political posting became another means to trash talk about herr Donald . Yeah I admit that his crude comments made in a private conversation ,that should never had been leaked ,were inappropriate... (much like LBJ saying
“I'll have those n....ers voting Democratic for 200 years.” ...
or when he told the Greek ambassador,
"f--- your parliament and your constitution." And of course LBJ is one of your heroes ) .
It wasn't leaked Tom, it was revealed by the one democrat in the room, corroborated by a REPUBLICAN, Lindsay Graham, and it wasn't private, to ad Jeff Flake has disclosed the facts of what was said at the meeting before it was made public so, and Eric Erickson has spoken to people about Trumps comments were meant for his base. It's not enough to say you aren't a racist, especially with his HISTORY, and it's yet another LIE and con he perpetrates on all you true believers.
No LBJ was not my hero, MLK, JFK, and RFK were back then, and still are. Trump is hardly the first to use racial division for political gain though, nor was LBJ, but he ha taken it a lot further than any before him.
If Trump had asked in a politically correct way why we need so many immigrants from "failed states " instead of "sh.t hole countries ";his point would've been the same . And I'm sure that is exactly the language he would've used if he knew his private conversations were going to be made public.
We have enough of his public statements and tweets to know his point...he is a racist! A bigot with the power to adversely affect the lives of others based on race. He and his sycophants can deny that all they want. Lets be logical Tom, There are not many immigrants in our history that would meet Trumps "MERIT" qualifications to come to America, not even his own peeps. As for his denouncement of the chain migration issue that angered him when the bi partisan bill outline was proposed to him at that meeting, his peeps are as guilty of that as anybody.
Note that all this trash talk about Trump ;and allegations that he paid off a porn star comes in the wake of the news that the Emperor's DOJ and FBI illegally used the uncollaborated opposition research "Trump Dossier" to obtain FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign.
The dossier corroborated what the FBI already had on Trump and was not the only basis for the FISA warrant. As for the women in Trumps life... more will be revealed! Pay attention, the rats are jumping overboard!
paraclete
Jan 15, 2018, 09:10 PM
Pay attention, the rats are jumping overboard!
I'll bet the king rat isn't jumping overboard. Trump obviously believes he is untouchable.
tomder55
Jan 16, 2018, 09:43 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mWkRdb655A
talaniman
Jan 16, 2018, 10:22 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtP_DcsOlMY
paraclete
Jan 16, 2018, 05:18 PM
I wonder, in referring to s@@thole countries was Trump referring to the alternative form of plumbing often favoured by eastern countries? If so, he was absolutely politically correct. Just thinking this might be a first for him
tomder55
Jan 18, 2018, 10:49 AM
turns out the words he actually used was sh@t house. He was talking about the countries and not the people . But of course everyone knows it . Most of the countries on D@ck Durbin's list are sh@t holes ;mostly because they are run by sh@t heads . Don't let the progressives on this site fool you . There are many parts of this country they consider sh@t holes .....Just like I consider many parts of this country sh@t holes (like that town full of swamp creature sh@t heads ,Washington DC ). My state capitol ;Albany NY ,is one of the biggest cesspools in the world .
talaniman
Jan 18, 2018, 12:21 PM
The Dufus is the biggest shat head we have ever elected president. There is no excuse for his behavior, or words, which proves the point, and you wingers will never convince anyone but yourselves that he is not trying turning the whole country into a shat hole. I can't believe the issue is over hole, or house. Completely ignores the vulgar reference to people.
Deport the fool to Siberia! Of course he is a product of New York! Your hero no doubt.
paraclete
Jan 18, 2018, 04:20 PM
I see he has now defined more of these places, like Samoa and Belize because the people overstay their welcome and should not be allowed in in the first place, but the numbers are very small in contrast to the millions of Mexicans he has not referred to at all. I'm waiting for him to call Mexico a sh@thole. I also see parts of California want out of the hispanic seaboard, and are trying to form a new state, good luck with that
the answer is to stop the brain drain from these countries and not allow any migrants from anywhere, Trump has the right idea, build big walls to keep the invaders out, he has plenty of loafers to fill the vacancies already. Put up big we're full signs, they make great walls
tomder55
Jan 19, 2018, 12:39 PM
Clete the illegals are trying to turn the US into a sh@thole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iwjitsNyQ
paraclete
Jan 19, 2018, 02:09 PM
Clete the illegals are trying to turn the US into a sh@thole.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iwjitsNyQ
Undoubtedly a problem and here is a possible solution, build a wall of dumpsters with a sign, deposit your unwanted items here. This has posed a question, why do these immigrants carry all this stuff with them only to throw it away? With rubbish at that level the rubbish would itself become a barrier
talaniman
Jan 20, 2018, 06:24 AM
Now that the US government is shutdown AGAIN, and everyone is blaming the other guy, will The Dufus stand by his previous statements?
Trump's comments blaming Obama for 2013 government shutdown resurface | TheHill (http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/369756-trumps-comments-blaming-obama-for-2013-government-shutdown-resurface)
Of course he won't. He should have seen this coming. Oh Happy one year in office Dufus. Hope you enjoy your GALA in Mar A Lago.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-19/trump-marks-one-year-anniversary-with-gala-benefit-at-mar-a-lago
I wasn't invited nor was HIS BASE, many of whom couldn't afford it anyway. Will I still get my tax cuts though? Looks like Trump and repubs want America to be a sh1t hole too! First ever shutdown when ONE party had control of the House, Senate, and White House.
I saw this coming.
tomder55
Jan 20, 2018, 11:02 AM
let them stay out .1995s shut down was 3 weeks and it wasn't the end of the world ,or the country . In an effort of comity we will no longer call them sh@t hole countries . We will call them Turd World countries .
talaniman
Jan 20, 2018, 04:02 PM
Glad to see you haven't lost that NY humor. 8)
paraclete
Jan 21, 2018, 05:37 AM
I ave to say that shutdown doesn't sound bad, you can't spend money in a shutdown, perhaps this is a work of genius, and those poor, little, dreamers, do you think Trump cares?
talaniman
Jan 21, 2018, 05:58 AM
No he doesn't care about dreamers, and neither does his base. The American people do care, and want them to have a fair shake. They aren't criminals at all, and choose to come out of the shadows, and play by the rules. Paul Ryan, the House leader knows all this, but also knows his caucus will never vote for any DACA fix that allows them to stay, and become citizens. It would embarrass him, and lead to his political downfall to allow a vote that WILL pass for sure in the house, because of DEMOCRATS! That's why Senate dems have refused to support the house bill.
I don't expect Senate repubs OR The Dufus like he promised to deal with DACA and end this shutdown. That would expose Ryan and House repubs , and deny the repubs of any opportunity to blame demss and holler their US against them rhetoric.
Will Moron Mitch trigger the nuclear option, and pass the repub bill with a simple majority, instead of requiring 60 votes? NO DOUBT!
paraclete
Jan 21, 2018, 02:52 PM
Surely this 60 votes is an anachronism that needs change, democracy requires only a majority, but people love to play games
tomder55
Jan 22, 2018, 03:48 AM
yes it is . The constitution calls for supermajorities in only a couple cases like over writing vetoes and impeachment . The filibuster rule has already been violated by the Dems when they ended it to get some of the emperor's nominees seated . The whole reconciliation process violated the rule . So time to end it if it means a government shut down will result if it is not waived .
yes it is . The constitution calls for supermajorities in only a couple cases like over writing vetoes and impeachment . The filibuster rule has already been violated by the Dems when they ended it to get some of the emperor's nominees seated . The whole reconciliation process violated the rule . So time to end it to get a budget in place.
talaniman
Jan 22, 2018, 07:42 AM
So why didn't Moron Mitch simply bring the BI PARTISAN Durbin/Graham bill to the floor for a vote? It was poised to pass the senate with 70 votes, and the house just as easily. Result NO SHUTDOWN.
Maybe it's the Hastert Rule we should get rid of.
tomder55
Jan 22, 2018, 09:21 AM
yes along with the idiotic Byrd rule .The trouble with these rules is that the parties want this nonsense in place when it's their time to be in the minority (filibuster ) or the majority (Hastert ) However ;in this case the bill was passed by the House by a significant majority . It was held up by Senate Dems using the filibuster rule to try to force legislation down our throats without any give back by them. Madame Mim was talking about a 'clean' DACA bill at the presser at the White House. She knows that is never going to happen any more than a single legislation to build a wall. The emperor could not get the Democratic majority Congress in 2009-12 to pass get DACA passed . That is why he did it EO in the first place . Now the Dems have shut down the government over the issue . Good luck with that later this year . They care more for the children of illegals than American children killed by illegals . They are holding up pay to our soldiers over the issue .
tomder55
Jan 22, 2018, 10:07 AM
I don't expect Senate repubs OR The Dufus like he promised to deal with DACA and end this shutdown. Last week they would've had their deal ....except little D@ck Durbin poisoned the well with his unsubstantiated disclosure of Trump's words at a private meeting . A political animal he certainly is... and he knew the Dems would gain more from public exposure of Trump's foul mouth than from any DACA compromise . You see ;the Dems have to plan for a run this year while the economy is red hot ;ISIS (which was beheading journalists and selling Azidi girls into slavery )destroyed as a viable alternative model for governing in the ME ;their dreams of a caliphate destroyed within one year of Trump taking office. The Dems have to get minorities to vote for them even though unemployment rates have dropped;including a black unemployment rate of 6.8% ,a historic low that eluded the emperor . The Dems will not win on issues except for one ....the likability of herr Donald .
talaniman
Jan 22, 2018, 10:41 AM
They voted to open the government just now. Restart the clock! The battle shifts back to the HOUSE and Punk Paul. This is still The Dufus regime. Is he a Joker, or a Joke.
tomder55
Jan 22, 2018, 10:57 AM
the Repubics always said they're ready to negotiate on DACA, just not tying it to the budget.
tomder55
Jan 22, 2018, 11:21 AM
it's very easy . The Dems want DACA . Trump and the Repubics want to end chain migration ;the visa lottery ,and to build a wall. Tie all them together and call it comprehensive immigration reform. But the Dems won't go there . They have stupid leaders like Durbin who said that we shouldn't use the term 'chain migration' because it reminds Blacks that their ancestors came to America in chains . What an idiot !
talaniman
Jan 22, 2018, 01:23 PM
There's a few more things besides DACA that can go in that deal. Does ending chain migration mean all those pregnant Russian women staying in Trump condos can't have anchor babies?
tomder55
Jan 22, 2018, 01:56 PM
yes or their 4th cousin twice removed .
paraclete
Jan 22, 2018, 03:33 PM
Oh what a tangled web you have
tomder55
Jan 22, 2018, 04:00 PM
yes it is a tangled web . End chain migration and make immigration merit based .
paraclete
Jan 22, 2018, 07:58 PM
yes it is a tangled web . End chain migration and make immigration merit based .
By all means, it might reduce the flow once they know they can't bring their relatives
talaniman
Jan 23, 2018, 06:44 AM
I suppose it's just human nature to run somewhere stake a claim of sovereignty, and then close the door behind you, and try to forget where you came from and why. The disgusting part is to denigrate those who are just doing what you did, which in most cases is based on race, nationality, and a few other things that smack of clear discrimination, that only justifies the uncivil treatment of a fellow human and the policies and laws to deal with them.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/03/01/donald-trump-canada-immigration-system-merit-based/98594790/
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2017/03/01/merit-based-immigration-could-upend-industries/98603200/
I can understand the FEAR some Euro citizens who were immigrants before they were citizens feel today, having gone through the same uncivil treatments when they got here from those that migrated before them, but to keep perpetrating that uncivil treatment today, is an unhealthy cycle that must be stopped. Thanks to The Dufus, being uncivil, nasty and crass is ACCEPTABLE, and that's a sad commentary that bodes a direction through governance of uncivil policy and plans that denigrate us all. While the struggle for civility is nothing new, and it will continue, it illustrates we have a long way to go before we can truly call ourselves civilized.
That's why you can follow The Dufus and his uncivil ways all you want, most good humans will RESIST that temptation and that RESISTANCE is what will make America great AGAIN!
Election 2018 will be here before you know it.
tomder55
Jan 23, 2018, 10:30 AM
nah my ancestors waited their turn ;stood in line ;were registered on Ellis Island ,and only cleared to cross over to the mainland when they satisfied immigration protocol. Many people who traveled with them were denied access for various reasons Screening began at their homeland ,but did not end there . Before the immigrant made it to Ellis Island the following happened . .... At the port of embarkation the immigrants' names were recorded upon lists or manifests. After each name the steamship officials were required by law to record answers questions relating to the immigrant.
Section 12 of the immigration act of 1903 provides that the manifests shall state,
The full name, age, and sex ;
whether married or single;
the calling or occupation;
whether able to read or write;
the nationality;
the race;
the last residence;
the seaport of landing in the United States;
the final destination, if any, beyond the port of landing;
whether having a ticket through to such final destination;
whether the alien has paid his own passage, or whether it has been paid by any other person or by any corporation, society, municipality, or government, and if so, by whom;
whether in possession of thirty dollars, and if less, how much;
whether going to join a relative or friend and if so, what relative or friend, and his name and complete address;
whether ever before in the United States, and if so, when and where;
whether ever in prison or almshouse or an institution or hospital for the care and treatment of the insane or supported by charity;
whether a polygamist;
whether an anarchist;
whether coming by reason of any offer, solicitation, promise or agreement, expressed or implied, to perform labor in the United States, and
what is the alien's condition of health, mental and physical, and whether deformed or crippled, and if so, for how long and from what cause.
The master or first officer and the ship's surgeon were required \to make oath before an immigration officer at the port of arrival that the lists manifests are to the best of their knowledge and belief true, and that none of the aliens belongs to any of the excluded classes. Each alien was furnished with a card, with his name, the number of the list on which his name appears .
Before they left Ellis Island they were subject to a physical examination .Many failed at that point . It was a tough exam , If he made it that far then a clerk, or interpreter, interrogates each alien, and finds his name, and verifies the answers on the manifest sheet before him, and if, in the opinion of the immigrant inspector, the immigrant is not clearly and beyond doubt entitled to land, he is held for the consideration of the board of special inquiry. 2 of 3 members of the special inquiry board needed to approve the immigrant before admission to the country .
So let's end this lie that the immigrants of today are the same as our ancestors . They were never entitled to come here . They came here because the country determined they would be an asset to society ;not a drain. About 2 percent of immigrants were deported, usually because they were considered a "likely public charge" on medical or economic grounds. Now they become a public charge the minute they illegally cross the border .
But let's talk about a legal immigrant under current law.
Akayed Ullah a Bangladeshi got here through a F43 family immigrant visa in 2011(aka chain migration) . He detonated a home made pipe bomb at Grand Central Station December It was not an effective attempt . He was wearing a make shift suicide vest . He mostly hurt himself along with 5 innocent people who were just going about their business. Thankfully they were not seriously hurt . That was just good luck. What about their rights ? How do the Dems justify to their working class base that they are for an open border (and don't deny it ) ? How can they tell their working class constituents that they were willing to shut down the government over so called Dreamers ?
talaniman
Jan 23, 2018, 11:38 AM
The same way repubs justified the shutdown over Obamacare. When asked repubs to this day call it justified on principle, so I guess that will do. Check out this link of past PARTIAL shutdowns.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/09/25/here-is-every-previous-government-shutdown-why-they-happened-and-how-they-ended/?utm_term=.fe811402fea2
I will ask also why Moron Mitch refused to act on a vote by Claire McCaskell to fund the military and their families until the PARTIAL shutdown was resolved?
https://shareblue.com/watch-mitch-mcconnell-kill-effort-to-protect-military-pay-as-gop-pushed-for-shutdown/
... “It’s becoming clear that shutting down the government, and holding people hostage for ransom, is the goal of Trump and Republicans. There simply is no other reason for Republicans to kill a Democratic measure to pay troops, other than to keep holding our troops and their families hostage. It’s disgusting.”In 2013, President Barack Obama signed legislation (https://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-crisis/2013/09/30/obama-signs-bill-to-ensure-military-will-be-paid-during-shutdown/) that ensured military pay would continue, uninterrupted by that year’s shutdown — which was also engineered by Republicans in Congress.
Before you get to denying there is also a video, check that out too. Maybe you make a big deal out of a ONE DAY shutdown, or long weekend, I don't, even though the point is clear, REPUBS have been willing to take hostages to trade for getting their agenda through.
We'll see what happens on Feb 8th.
paraclete
Jan 23, 2018, 07:57 PM
The circus continues
talaniman
Jan 24, 2018, 03:27 AM
I don't see anything sensible that the senate passes to solve the DACA issue having a ghost of a chance of passing through the house, unless Punk Paul decides to bring the bill to the floor whether his fellow repubs agree or not. Just like Trump opened this can of worms though, he can also put a lid on it. I don't see that happening either.
paraclete
Jan 24, 2018, 05:58 AM
I don't see anything sensible that the senate passes to solve the DACA issue having a ghost of a chance of passing through the house, unless Punk Paul decides to bring the bill to the floor whether his fellow repubs agree or not. Just like Trump opened this can of worms though, he can also put a lid on it. I don't see that happening either.
What I don't understand is why these bills originate in the senate aren't there bills before the house?
smoothy
Jan 24, 2018, 06:13 AM
Illegals have no RIGHT to be here... and if they weren't granted VISAS and or Green Cards while in their Home country BEFORE COMING HERE.. then they are illegals. And DACA is all about ILLEGALS that feel entitled to break our laws, it has NOTHING to do with LEGAL immigrants.
tomder55
Jan 24, 2018, 09:32 AM
Clete budgetary bills by the Constitution originate in the House . The House passed the continuing resolution to fund the government and the Dems in the Senate tried to amend it to add provisions for the so called "dreamers " (children of illegal aliens ). It was all for political show . They mentioned in a separate meeting at the White House that they wanted to have a stand alone bill about DACA . (which was enacted by executive order by the emperor because he could never get Congress to act on it even when the Dems controlled all branches of the goverment ) . herr Donald said he would entertain DACA if it was tied into his '4 pillars ' of immigration reform . (DACA amnesty along with ending chain migration ;ending the 'diversity lottery 'visa system ,and fund the border wall ). The Dems are on the wrong side of the argument and they know it . That's why they so easily caved on the shutdown. The only ones who stood firm on the issue were the ones who will probably be candidates for President in 2020 .They foolishly think that helped their prospects .
talaniman
Jan 24, 2018, 02:14 PM
We all know Shumer had a weak hand to begin with, because repubs control the government, and while they passed a tax reform bill, they can't pass a budget, infrastructure, or immigration bill (No congress has since Reagan) without senate dems. They shot their wad, and are just stalling so not to infuriate their base before the election. I doubt anything gets done, but in March, The Dufus has no choice but to decide the fate of the DACA immigrants, unless a deal is struck, and he settles for less than he is asking for. Or he can say screw them, and be a hero to Smoothy and the rest of his base, even though 8 of 10 American want DACA settled and protected in a clean bill.
You can look forward to NO BUDGET, and CR's until then. It's really not about who is on what side of the issue, it's about who has the power to govern. Do you really think the dems will give The Dufus everything he wants to free his hostages? I don't think so.
Maybe we should import those Norwegians immediately to straighten out our mess! I doubt they come and why should they, they got it together. Humanitarian reasons?
https://www.thenation.com/article/if-republicans-knew-the-truth-about-norway-theyd-be-clamoring-to-build-a-second-wall/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Daily%2001232018&utm_term=daily
paraclete
Jan 24, 2018, 02:25 PM
So you agree the circus is being taken on tour
talaniman
Jan 25, 2018, 04:47 AM
No telling where this clown car is going but it can show up in a town near you. In a statement yesterday though, The Dufus may have mellowed,
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/us/politics/trump-daca-immigration.html
Lots of loonies may be pulling their hair out today.
paraclete
Jan 25, 2018, 05:16 AM
Just a thought Tal, you couldn't afford the Norwegians, they live in a democracy not an autocracy
talaniman
Jan 25, 2018, 07:17 AM
LOL, they still have a KING!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Norway
paraclete
Jan 25, 2018, 03:12 PM
LOL, they still have a KING!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Norway
YES, they find it convenient and just as effective, not to elect a head of state
tomder55
Jan 27, 2018, 12:53 PM
No telling where this clown car is going but it can show up in a town near you. In a statement yesterday though, The Dufus may have mellowed,
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/u...migration.html (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/09/us/politics/trump-daca-immigration.html)
Lots of loonies may be pulling their hair out today. '
herr Donald prides himself as some kind of brilliant negotiator . Then he gives the store away as an opening bid. Makes no sense to me .
paraclete
Jan 27, 2018, 02:43 PM
Trump is a bully, any successful negotiations he has had can be viewed in that light.
tomder55
Jan 28, 2018, 04:28 AM
You have to go in with the reality that
Trump says stuff. And then he says other stuff. Quite often, the other stuff doesn’t match up with the first stuff. He told lawmakers in the White House that he would sign any immigration deal they came up with . Well the usual suspects then showed up at the White House with their tired old Whimpy plan("I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today"). The deal was shamnesty now for border security in the future. Trump correctly knocked that one down.
Now he concocts this plan where he would more than double the amt of eligible nightmares ;aka dreamers for $25 billion for a wall. The Dems turned that down because they do not want border security .Also some of the Repubics don't want it either .Because that would be the end of their source of cheap labor . The Dems want it because they see illegals as their future voting constituency .
Trump's tweet today reveals his game plan.....showing the Dems as the hypocrites they are .
I have offered DACA a wonderful deal, including a doubling in the number of recipients & a twelve year pathway to citizenship, for two reasons: (1) Because the Republicans want to fix a long time terrible problem. (2) To show that Democrats do not want to solve DACA, only use it!
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/957462746060206080
The Dems are like Arafat walking away from Camp David after he was offered 98% of what he wanted .
paraclete
Jan 28, 2018, 02:15 PM
Trump's tweet today reveals his game plan.....showing the Dems as the hypocrites they are .
But can you believe him, this is a case of any deal is a good deal, so much for being the great negotiator. What does it matter how many you make legal, they are in the country anyway, what matters is you keep more from coming
tomder55
Jan 28, 2018, 02:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30knrJBeyr0
paraclete
Jan 28, 2018, 03:58 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30knrJBeyr0
Yes an accurate depiction of the state of the nation