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Athos
Sep 18, 2017, 01:39 PM
In an incredibly vicious and childish doctored video Tweet, moron Trump is shown hitting a golf ball which then strikes Hillary Clinton knocking her to the ground.
THIS IS FROM THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES.
This idiot is not normal. He is seriously deranged, and obsessed with Hillary and Obama. Kelly, hired to stop Trump's lunacy, is unable to do so.
Unfortunately, this bizarre behavior by Trump is becoming the norm. What would once have been grounds for invoking Article 25, hardly raises an eyebrow anymore.
Wondergirl
Sep 18, 2017, 03:18 PM
And Trump's childish, even nasty, example is filtering down into the populace.
paraclete
Sep 18, 2017, 03:33 PM
Why don't you see this for what it is, a comment on Hilliary and her recent publication?
Athos
Sep 18, 2017, 06:43 PM
Why don't you see this for what it is, a comment on Hilliary and her recent publication?
I see YOU for what YOU are - sticking up for your white supremacist brethren.
paraclete
Sep 18, 2017, 08:43 PM
I see YOU for what YOU are - sticking up for your white supremacist brethren.
Typical leftist, noone else is allowed an opinion, you have to stick a label on me, have you joined Antifa yet or were you a foundation member?
Athos
Sep 18, 2017, 10:15 PM
Everyone is allowed an opinion - look around you.
I'm not a leftist, I'm an independent who is embarrassed that Trump is the president of this country. He's a DISGRACE!!!!
Like somebody said in these pages, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. In 1941-1945, this country had over 10,000,000 men and women in uniform fighting as antifas against Fascism. They were supported by another 130,000,000 antifas on the home front.
Any label you have was stuck on by yourself. Do you deny you're a white supremacist?
paraclete
Sep 18, 2017, 11:27 PM
Everyone is allowed an opinion - look around you.
I'm not a leftist, I'm an independent who is embarrassed that Trump is the president of this country. He's a DISGRACE!!!!
Like somebody said in these pages, the enemy of my enemy is my friend. In 1941-1945, this country had over 10,000,000 men and women in uniform fighting as antifas against Fascism. They were supported by another 130,000,000 antifas on the home front.
Any label you have was stuck on by yourself. Do you deny you're a white supremacist?
You don't know the history of antifa, do you? It was a communist organisation. To suggest your nation could be part of it flys in the face of reality and brands you a communist. My country was opposing Naziism from 1939. We had one million in uniform out of population of six million. You had to be dragged kicking and screaming into WWII so don't talk to me about your country opposing Fascism
I can understand you are embarrassed by Trump, were you equally embarrassed by Bill Clinton or that Muslim, Homo trash Obama?
I am a white Christian conservative, this does not make me a white supremacist. You are a Hilliary supporter and you should be embarrassed by her. In my country saying I'm a white Christian conservative places me in the centre but a long way to the left of your Republicans and maybe even your Democrats. Your country is polarised by race and obcessed with it.
Athos
Sep 19, 2017, 03:06 AM
Antifa was a communist organisation. ...don't talk to me about your country opposing Fascism
were you equally embarrassed by Bill Clinton or that Muslim, Homo trash Obama?
I am a white Christian conservative, this does not make me a white supremacist. You are a Hilliary supporter and you should be embarrassed by her. Your country is polarised by race and obcessed with it.
So what if Antifa was a communist outfit. So was our WW2 ally, Communist Russia. Of course this country opposed fascism. Who do you think we were fighting?
I was not a bit embarrassed by Bill Clinton or Obama. Obama saved this country from a disastrous financial collapse while the crazy right-wing was promoting "let the market take care of the problem". This nutty capitalism would have people dying of starvation in the 21st century in the richest country in the world.
"Homo, Muslim trash Obama"? No, you're not a white supremacist. You just walk and talk and smell like one.
I'm not embarrassed by Hillary either. She would have made a far, far better president than that clown who got elected because of a quirky law put in over two centuries ago. Without that piece of nonsense, Hillary wins by 3 MILLION votes!!!
As long as there are police unjustly gunning down black men, then we have a lot of work to do in this country. I suggest you do too, after reading your posts re the indigenous peoples in your country. Glass houses - don't throw stones.....................
smoothy
Sep 19, 2017, 04:26 AM
And in other news... Liberals still are incapable of handling reality and retreat into a fantasy world.
paraclete
Sep 19, 2017, 05:52 AM
And in other news... Liberals still are incapable of handling reality and retreat into a fantasy world.
Thing is smoothy you can't tell them anything, it's a mind set
smoothy
Sep 19, 2017, 06:19 AM
Thing is smoothy you can't tell them anything, it's a mind setTotally agree.
talaniman
Sep 19, 2017, 07:13 AM
Unfortunately you right wingnuts believe everything you tell each other, and done nothing but blast liberals, and done more harm than good. Case in point TRUMP!! He should be locked up with hi whole family and cronies.
At least the hurricanes has stopped him from going to Florida and stiffing the American people. Now if we could jut get the overblown bloviating idiot off TV, maybe we can make progress.
Go ahead keep blasting liberals while you use your political power in all 4 houses to do nothing but flap your gums.
smoothy
Sep 19, 2017, 09:32 AM
You mean like this Russian Meddling thing... that despite a Liberal run witch hunt, hasn't produced one single bit of "evidence" in a year of trying.
While the same people choose to ignore the $2.5 MILLION dollar quid pro quo Hillary got via the Clinton slush fund Called the Clinton Foundation for her part as Sec of State for selling 20% of our Uranium reserves to the same Russians the left has their panties in a knot over?
Yes that was proven as that stuff legally had to be reported, and was.
talaniman
Sep 19, 2017, 02:27 PM
It's a proven fact that the Russians did try to meddle in American affairs, and the only question is if any Americans were involved. There is enough evidence to send Trump cronies to jail already.
As far as the agreement that sold uranium ore to Russia, the only ones questioning it is you right wing loonies who have little knowledge at all about the process and policies that goes into such transactions.
As usual you have nothing but hot air and uninformed opinion.
paraclete
Sep 19, 2017, 06:05 PM
It's a proven fact that the Russians did try to meddle in American affairs, and the only question is if any Americans were involved. There is enough evidence to send Trump cronies to jail already.
I don't know why you are so upset at meddling, After all, the americans meddle in the affairs and elections of other nations every day. It is just that Hilliary is looking for excuses, instead of seeing the real reason, yesterday's men(women) don't win
As usual you have nothing but hot air and uninformed opinion.
That is a little harsh tal
talaniman
Sep 19, 2017, 06:48 PM
You can expect that from me when you have no basis for fact just like the stupid statement you blathered about our interfering in the elections of others, so we should be okay with Putin meddling in ours. What a maroon!
How can you be so utterly ignorant about the cyberwar that's being waged?
paraclete
Sep 19, 2017, 08:04 PM
You can expect that from me when you have no basis for fact just like the stupid statement you blathered about our interfering in the elections of others, so we should be okay with Putin meddling in ours. What a maroon!
How can you be so utterly ignorant about the cyberwar that's being waged?
I'm not utterly ignorant of anything, Did I say you should be OK with meddling, no, but you should recognise the reality of it. The real question is whether treason has been committed, you haven't found evidence of that, so anything else is just the carping of a defeated candidate and Party, and yes, you do meddle and there is ample evidence of it. Think about the Ukraine as an example of your meddling and the outcome, The Syrian conflict and your meddling, who knows if your meddling didn't produce the result in Venezaela
talaniman
Sep 19, 2017, 10:26 PM
That's what I am talking about Clete. You speak in such generalities that a reasonable discussion is impossible.
The real question is whether treason has been committed, you haven't found evidence of that, so anything else is just the carping of a defeated candidate and Party,
No, that's not the real question at all, as an investigation is for the finding of fact, and the FACT is and the evidence grows that the Russians have meddled deeper than was known before. Fact is Flynn lied and Manafort is a Putin backed international crook. Yeah I would say we better see how deep this goes, and everyone involved wouldn't you?
yes, you do meddle and there is ample evidence of it. Think about the Ukraine as an example of your meddling and the outcome
You're a Dufus as the real Dufus if you didn't know the Ukrainian government was but a puppet of the Kremlin. Yeah Manafort was a part of that too.
The Syrian conflict and your meddling,
The Assad dictatorship and the rebels have been at it for years, going back to Assad's father, and probably would have been defeated if not for Iran and Russia, and GAS!
who knows if your meddling didn't produce the result in Venezaela
Well what do you know. Another dictator trying to take power. Is a pattern emerging here? Typical no nothing right wing loony!
paraclete
Sep 19, 2017, 11:16 PM
That's what I am talking about Clete. You speak in such generalities that a reasonable discussion is impossible.
Perhaps I've taken a leaf out of your leaders boo
No, that's not the real question at all, as an investigation is for the finding of fact, and the FACT is and the evidence grows that the Russians have meddled deeper than was known before. Fact is Flynn lied and Manafort is a Putin backed international crook. Yeah I would say we better see how deep this goes, and everyone involved wouldn't you?
I think it more of the reds under the bed style politics your country is noted for
You're a Dufus as the real Dufus if you didn't know the Ukrainian government was but a puppet of the Kremlin. Yeah Manafort was a part of that too.
And the current government isn't a puppet of Washington? Give me a break Tal
The Assad dictatorship and the rebels have been at it for years, going back to Assad's father, and probably would have been defeated if not for Iran and Russia, and GAS!
I think there is a lot of gas in this debate. Regime change in Syria was the Obama mantra, Trump doesn't appear to be preoccupied by it, and for good reason.
Well what do you know. Another dictator trying to take power. Is a pattern emerging here? Typical no nothing right wing loony!
Yes there is one in Venezeala and if your government had taken a sensible attitude to his predecessor things might not have escalated to this point. Those people had a right, they elected a popular leader to deal with the corrupt multinational backed regime, but socialisation of an economy is something that should not be fast tracked
But you wanted facts
In the seventy years since, the CIA has committed a wide variety of misdeeds, crimes, coups, and violence. Here are seven of the worst programs they’ve carried out (that are known to the public):
Toppling governments around the world — The CIA is best known for its first coup, Operation Ajax, in 1953, in which it ousted the democratically elected leader of Iran, Mohammed Mossadegh, reinstating the autocratic Shah, who favored western oil interests. That operation, which the CIA now admits (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/19/cia-admits-role-1953-iranian-coup) to waging with British intelligence, ultimately resulted in the 1979 revolution (http://www.businessinsider.com/cia-releases-details-of-iranian-coup-2017-6) and subsequent U.S. hostage crisis. Relations between the U.S. and Iran remain strained to this day, aptly described by the CIA-coined term “blowback (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/terror-blowback-burns-cia-1182087.html).”
But the CIA has had a hand in toppling (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/08/20/mapped-the-7-governments-the-u-s-has-overthrown/) a number of other democratically elected governments, from Guatemala (1954) and the Congo (1960) to the Dominican Republic (1961), South Vietnam (1963), Brazil (1964), and Chile (1973). The CIA has aimed to install leaders who appease American interests, often empowering (https://books.google.com/books?id=vf9ZJx8WkjQC&q=led+by+george#v=snippet&q=led%20by%20george&f=false) oppressive, violent dictators (http://paleofuture.gizmodo.com/cia-releases-files-that-describe-ruthless-chilean-dicta-1787899872). This is only a partial list of countries where the CIA covertly attempted to exploit and manipulate sovereign nations’ governments.
Operation Paperclip — In one of the more bizarre CIA plots, the agency and other government departments employed Nazi scientists both within and outside the United States to gain an advantage over the Soviets. As summarized (http://www.npr.org/2014/02/15/275877755/the-secret-operation-to-bring-nazi-scientists-to-america) by NPR:
“The aim [of Operation Paperclip] was to find and preserve German weapons, including biological and chemical agents, but American scientific intelligence officers quickly realized the weapons themselves were not enough.
“They decided the United States needed to bring the Nazi scientists themselves to the U.S. Thus began a mission to recruit top Nazi doctors, physicists and chemists — including Wernher von Braun, who went on to design the rockets that took man to the moon.”
Operation CHAOS — The FBI is widely known for its COINTELPRO (https://www.aclu.org/other/more-about-fbi-spying) schemes to undermine communist movements in the 1950s and anti-war, civil rights (http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-fbis-war-on-civil-rights-leaders), and black power (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/g-flint-taylor/the-fbi-cointelpro-progra_b_4375527.html) movements in the 1960s,r
“In October 1967, a handful of CIA analysts joined in the first big Washington march against the war.
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… Eleven CIA officers grew long hair, learned the jargon of the New Left, and went off to infiltrate peace groups in the United States and Europe.”
According to Weiner, “the agency compiled a computer index of 300,000 names of American people and organizations, and extensive files on 7,200 citizens. It began working in secret with police departments all over America.”
Infiltrating the media — Over the years, the CIA has successfully gained influence in the news media, as well as popular media like film and television. Its influence over the news began almost immediately after the agency was formed. As Weiner explained, CIA Director Allen Dulles established firm ties with newspapers:
The CIA’s influence had not waned by 1977 when journalist Carl Bernstein reported (http://www.carlbernstein.com/magazine_cia_and_media.php) on publications with CIA agents in their employ, as well as “more than 400 American journalists who in the past twenty‑five years have secretly carried out assignments for the Central Intelligence Agency.”
Drug-induced Mind control – In the 1950s, the CIA began experimenting with drugs to determine whether they might be useful in extracting information. As Smithsonian Magazine has noted (http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/what-we-know-about-cias-midcentury-mind-control-project-180962836/) of the MKUltra project:
“The project, which continued for more than a decade, was originally intended to make sure the United States government kept up with presumed Soviet advances in mind-control technology.
Further:
“The intent of the project was to study ‘the use of biological and chemical materials in altering human behavior,’ according to (https://archive.org/stream/finalreportofsel01unit/finalreportofsel01unit_djvu.txt) the official testimony of CIA director Stansfield Turner in 1977. The project was conducted in extreme secrecy, Turner said, because of ethical and legal questions surrounding the program and the negative public response that the CIA anticipated if MKUltra should become public.
Years later, the CIA would be accused of distributing crack-cocaine into poor black communities, though this is currently less substantiated and supported (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/gary-webb-dark-alliance_n_5961748.html) mostly by accounts of those who claim to have been involved.
Brutal torture tactics — More recently, the CIA was exposed (http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-most-gruesome-moments-in-the-cia-torture-report) for sponsoring abusive, disturbing terror tactics against detainees at prisons housing terror suspects. An extensive 2014 Senate report documented agents committing sexual abuse, forcing detainees to stand on broken legs, waterboarding them so severely it sometimes led to convulsions,
Arming radicals — The CIA has a long habit of arming radical, extremist groups that view the United States as enemies. In 1979, the CIA set out to support Afghan rebels in their bid to defeat the Soviet occupation of the Middle Eastern country. As Weiner wrote, in 1979, “Prompted by Zbigniew Brzezinski, President Carter signed a covert-action order for the CIA to provide the Afghan rebels with medical aid, money, and propaganda.”
Though some speculate the CIA directly armed Osama bin Laden, that is yet to be fully proven or admitted. Much of those “structures” were provided by the agency. Intentionally or not, the CIA helped fuel the rise of the terror group.
Apparently failing to learn their lesson, the CIA adopted nearly the exact same policy in Syria decades later, arming what they called “moderate rebels” against the Assad regime. Those groups ultimately aligned (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/syria-arming-the-rebels/transcript/) with al-Qaeda groups. One CIA-backed faction made headlines last year for beheading (http://www.thedailybeast.com/us-backed-moderate-rebels-behead-a-child-near-aleppo) a child (though President Trump cut off the CIA program in June, the military continues (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-cia-syria-20170719-story.html) to align with “moderate” groups).
Unsurprisingly, this list is far from complete. The CIA has engaged in a wide variety of extrajudicial practice (https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2007/08/13/the-black-sites), and there are likely countless transgressions we have yet to learn about.
As Donald Trump cheers the birthday of an agency he himself once crit (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-01-19/trump-will-visit-headquarters-of-cia-he-criticized-over-leaks)
talaniman
Sep 20, 2017, 11:03 AM
The CIA (or USA if you prefer) has a vested interest in not just letting dictators grab resources and profit while closing trade opportunities (AND profits, okay!) for the USA. More so is the basic FACT that this has been the history of man, and no nation has ever operated in a vacuum without a full blown bloody war. Even you must concede that our "meddling" was done in conjunction with other factions within those nations. Sometimes those factions do gain power, and turn against us, or go on their own, but that's the history of every dominant power going back to Babylonian times, and further. That's the nature of man, and you cannot ignore that this goes on.
To your specific examples though you left out the CONTEXT of that "meddling" or the circumstances surrounding them which was a greater threat to the region, or population, or business of our own interests. I know you have been known to be prejudiced against USA in general since I have been on these boards, but a more objective view might give you a fuller understanding of the scope of our adventures throughout the world.
I will agree our government has collude with many dastardly characters to make money for multinational interest, what nation hasn't? Even your own government will sell dirt and stuff to any nation or customer that can pay for it with little regard how it's used so what's the point of staying on your high horse because we do the same on a much larger global scale? Many spies and factions with agendas out in the world, and we are but one with the greatest tools and resources.
Everybody wants guns! And we got 'em but they aren't free. So let's put this in perspective about our "meddling" and atrocities according to you, in that we are a BIGGER player on the world stage and all us humans are screwed up, and just being an isolated nuclear capable capitalist super power is NOT in our national interest.
Great research and I respect your opinion, and I hope you understand that size does matter, and the USA ain't perfect. Despite all your trepidation and criticism though you Aussies are smart enough to be allies instead of adversaries I see.
smoothy
Sep 20, 2017, 11:15 AM
It's a proven fact that the Russians did try to meddle in American affairs, and the only question is if any Americans were involved. There is enough evidence to send Trump cronies to jail already.
As far as the agreement that sold uranium ore to Russia, the only ones questioning it is you right wing loonies who have little knowledge at all about the process and policies that goes into such transactions.
As usual you have nothing but hot air and uninformed opinion.
I've had better things to do than try to reason the those in the Cult of Clinton... the OTHER demigod to some of those on the left
If this "PROOF" you claim existed... why haven't there been any arrests? Or is that just your hot air and uninformed opinion? We know the answer is yes...
And the Uraniam sale.. kickback money WAS paid to Hillary via the foundation BY the company who BOUGHT it.
The lefties were bent on jailing the ex-governor of Virginia over a WATCH someone gave his WIFE after some business dealing in the state. But that was different because HE wasn't a Clinton or a Democrat.
talaniman
Sep 20, 2017, 12:00 PM
Demigods come and go, the only relevant demigod is the right wing one who is here now.
smoothy
Sep 20, 2017, 12:23 PM
Demigods come and go, the only relevant demigod is the right wing one who is here now.
The left might believe he is...
The Right sees him as the only Successful businessman what made it to a high elected office in more decades than be counted.
Huge difference.
talaniman
Sep 20, 2017, 02:31 PM
FINALLY the right has their DREAM demigod, and as I said before, enjoy it because it's the other sides turn to sling mud and resist and try to make him a one term president! Just like you guys did when we elected our HISTORIC first time ever BLACK candidate.
Sound fair to you?
paraclete
Sep 20, 2017, 03:17 PM
The CIA (or USA if you prefer) has a vested interest in not just letting dictators grab resources and profit while closing trade opportunities (AND profits, okay!) for the USA. More so is the basic FACT that this has been the history of man, and no nation has ever operated in a vacuum without a full blown bloody war. Even you must concede that our "meddling" was done in conjunction with other factions within those nations. Sometimes those factions do gain power, and turn against us, or go on their own, but that's the history of every dominant power going back to Babylonian times, and further. That's the nature of man, and you cannot ignore that this goes on.
To your specific examples though you left out the CONTEXT of that "meddling" or the circumstances surrounding them which was a greater threat to the region, or population, or business of our own interests. I know you have been known to be prejudiced against USA in general since I have been on these boards, but a more objective view might give you a fuller understanding of the scope of our adventures throughout the world.
I will agree our government has collude with many dastardly characters to make money for multinational interest, what nation hasn't? Even your own government will sell dirt and stuff to any nation or customer that can pay for it with little regard how it's used so what's the point of staying on your high horse because we do the same on a much larger global scale? Many spies and factions with agendas out in the world, and we are but one with the greatest tools and resources.
Everybody wants guns! And we got 'em but they aren't free. So let's put this in perspective about our "meddling" and atrocities according to you, in that we are a BIGGER player on the world stage and all us humans are screwed up, and just being an isolated nuclear capable capitalist super power is NOT in our national interest.
Great research and I respect your opinion, and I hope you understand that size does matter, and the USA ain't perfect. Despite all your trepidation and criticism though you Aussies are smart enough to be allies instead of adversaries I see.
So Tal now confronted with the evidence you change your tune and say it is justified, There is no trepidation here, Tal, we just wish you would stop with the argy bargy and understand that deposing tin pot dictators only leads to more tin pot dictators
talaniman
Sep 20, 2017, 04:02 PM
My tune hasn't changed, I'm just discussing instead of calling you names. I would rather keep my own prejudices in check and would hope you do the same. If you prefer name calling, I do that too, as you well know.
I think history teaches us all if you do nothing when dictators and depots seize power bad things happen. I wouldn't go as far as the Dufus who thinks its okay to take the resources of the people who have been liberated from tyranny, but am fully aware that what comes after deposing such folks can be a crap shoot and a long ugly process.
That's what your evidence shows. They also say the way to hell is paved with good intentions, but staying out of the fray seldom works as that was the lesson of WWII. You shouldn't blame ALL the ills of today's world just on the USA Clete. It's much more complicated than that.
paraclete
Sep 20, 2017, 06:15 PM
You shouldn't blame ALL the ills of today's world just on the USA Clete. It's much more complicated than that.
I don't Tal but I know that they have a large share of the blame, that namby pramby UN has a lot to answer for too, but this what happens when socialists have too much power.
Just think
Who created the problem in Iran; the USA
Who created the problem in Afghanistan; The USA
Who created the problem in Iraq; the USA
Who created the problem in Korea; the North Koreans
Who pushed Japan into a war; the USA
Can you show me where military confrontation has not been your foreign policy?; not often
smoothy
Sep 21, 2017, 09:32 AM
Who pushed Japan into a war? They invaded China... then at some point years later got to feeling their oats and decided attacking the US unprovoked was a good idea... wasn't our fault. That was going on YEARS before we fired the first shot at them.
Who created the problem in Iran? Islamic lunatics. Place has been complete crap ever since the terrorists ran the Shaw out. Ask an Iranian who got out of there old enough to have been adults under the Shaw... several I know unrelated to each other told me that.
Who Created a problem in Afghanistan? That was the Russians in 1979 when they invaded it...
Who created the problem in Iraq? Saddam Hussein did... if he had not invaded Kuwait, and later violated the cease fire agreements over and over and over...we would have happily let him go about his way.
Who created the problem in Korea; the North Koreans and the Russians back in the 50's...but mostly the Russians.
Look at who was responsible for the Sykes-Picot agreement. Americans weren't involved.
But historically since beginning of recorded history that entire middle east region has been populated by loons who would rather kill each other than do anything else and that's on them. The Brits and House of Saud is who divided up the Arabian Peninsula and set the borders there, again, not the USA.
talaniman
Sep 21, 2017, 09:49 AM
I don't Tal but I know that they have a large share of the blame, that namby pramby UN has a lot to answer for too, but this what happens when socialists have too much power.
Just think
Who created the problem in Iran; the USA
Who created the problem in Afghanistan; The USA
Who created the problem in Iraq; the USA
Who created the problem in Korea; the North Koreans
Who pushed Japan into a war; the USA
Can you show me where military confrontation has not been your foreign policy?; not often
This is what happens when an accountant who obviously flunked world history, and is highly prejudicial, forms and opinion... you get hot air bereft of factual ACCOUNTING. All you had to do was Google it before you wrote.
But historically since beginning of recorded history that entire middle east region has been populated by loons who would rather kill each other than do anything else and that's on them. The Brits and House of Saud is who divided up the Arabian Peninsula and set the borders there, again, not the USA.
European history is no less bloody or loony by your standard.
smoothy
Sep 21, 2017, 10:03 AM
This is what happens when an accountant who obviously flunked world history, and is highly prejudicial, forms and opinion... you get hot air bereft of factual ACCOUNTING. All you had to do was Google it before you wrote.
European history is no less bloody or loony by your standard.
Only by virtue it wasn't mostly sand and carried a higher population density.
But yeah.. pre WW1, Europe was a significantly LESS friendly place than it is today (relatively speaking) Same with UK, Brutal British oppression of the Irish, and Scotts as well and the general unpleasantness of Germany under the Kaiser is why my ancestors (grandparents actually) left there after the turn of the century.
talaniman
Sep 21, 2017, 11:27 AM
I go back even further to the Roman Empire that set the stage for a tribal, at the time Europe, and the early interactions of the Middle East and Asia, Africa, which points to my point humans are idiots in general, and have been for a really long time, since before we crawled out of our caves. The story has been basically unchanged in domination of land and resources and trade monopoly despite the rapid evolutions in technology and social changes. To be sure the economic stability of any group, or population seems to be at the heart of human stability, or instability if you will, leaving subsets no choice but grab a gun, and follow the leader just to get a decent meal.
You can pick darn near any era in human history with any "tribe" and see that same pattern repeat itself over and over again. Like we NEVER learn. Like a cancer cell that grows and destroys every part of the body and seeks to just keep expanding (We are going to the Moon and beyond... trying at least.).
BEAM ME UP SCOTTY! There is no intelligent life on Earth... and may be a while longer before there is.
Just sayin'
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paraclete
Sep 21, 2017, 03:03 PM
Let me put it in perspective, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. You can leave if you want to, just catch the next ship to, Hmmmm, a bit of a problem, someone suspended the program.
talaniman
Sep 21, 2017, 08:37 PM
Yeah, maybe my communicator is broke, cause I been waiting a long time for Scotty to respond. Put some of them toad legs on the barby, will ya', I may come visit you in Paradise. You don't have to be intelligent to fix up some toad legs.
paraclete
Sep 22, 2017, 04:56 AM
TAL you can come any time we will throw some toads on the barbie just for you but as crocodile dundee said?.
And I will leave you to fill in the blanks because they would be censored out here fast
Fair dinkum you don't actually think we eat 'em do you?
MOVING RIGHT ALONG
I see dump and dumber are at it again, will one of them please shut up