Amazing ...with a virtual monopoly on media ,the left still sees a need to censor those they disagree with .

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/aclu-first-amendment-trump-charlottesville.html

Meanwhile ,a statue of Joan of Arc was vandalized in New Orleans . Evidently the American Taliban thought it was a Confederate era statue .

Amazing ...with a virtual monopoly on media ,the left still sees a need to censor those they disagree with .

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/opinion/aclu-first-amendment-trump-charlottesville.html

Meanwhile ,a statue of Joan of Arc was vandalized in New Orleans . Evidently the American Taliban thought it was a Confederate era statue .

More likely it was because it had Christian connotations, a target of opportunity

Trump is a racist, and throwing names at his those that oppose him won't work. Conflating an op ed in a newspaper by an individual with a tribe in Afghanistan and mislabeling it will not work. Saying vandalism is the same as left wing politics is like me calling you a member of the KKK.

Go cry victim somewhere else, and stop exaggerating. Woe is YOU?

it's not just any tribe . it is a tribe that uses intimidation and violence when they can't get the law to change quickly enough in their favor. That tribe destroyed ancient statues of Budda . Lefty mobs defaced Joan of Arc thinking she was a Confederate symbol. You don't see the similarity ?

Do you agree that free speech should be restricted to select groups that you oppose ? Tell me when does it end ? Book burnings ? Your freedom to express your thoughts on AMHD or other forums you don't approve of ?

Oh I know you've been indoctrinated to accept that at an institution of higher learning . But you should be outraged that the liberal rag you consider the gospel would suggest the ACLU abandon it's principled defense of free speech.

I find it fascinating that an OP-Ed has you quaking in your boots. Love to see the picture of you trying to drink coffee with your hands shaking at the thought the sky is falling.

(UN)fortunately for you the Taliban is the law in their parts of the country they control, but you shouldn't compare the US and it's politics to Afghanistan and their politics. Stop scaring YOURSELF, but I guess that's what righties do and obviously it doesn't take much. I mean you guys are the ones that thought a Clinton loss was happy days are here again, so let me ask why you ain't happy?

Didn't you get what you wanted? A business guy in the white house with a repub controlled congress, and a conservative majority SCOTUS! Go ahead, bend the knee and chant HEIL TRUMP!

I would love to see that picture too! 8)

OH! Before I forget Afghanistan is the perfect example of a weak central government and the states do what they want, which you have said that's what you guys want in the US. REALLY?

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OH! Before I forget Afghanistan is the perfect example of a weak central government and the states do what they want, which you have said that's what you guys want in the US. REALLY?

You should think about Afghanistan, Tal, and realise that what is going on is the people opposing the puppet government and would be democracy you put in place, The Taliban are religiously motivated and oppose what you have done for both ethnic and religious reasons. If your people had more spine they might oppose the weak central government in the same way, but the availability of weapons to the other side keeps them in check. I expect your freedom to own weapons has a purpose after all

You should read up on things Clete before you go spouting off. >delete the rest of the personal insult.< Google can be your friend.

It's OK Tal you don't like the truth in small doses, the left is always in denial, but you can't insult me, I know the truth, my father fought against the communists in unions and so I have been aware from childhood of the tactics of the left.

You speak about what I want in the US, what I want is for you to attend to your own affairs and stop stirring up trouble else where, but you can't help yourselves. The sad fact isn't that you have developed a better system, because you haven't, but that you seek to develop and grow your empire.

We are alike in our racists democracies.

We are alike in our racists democracies.

But Tal ours isn't a racist democracy, we have minorities, but they represent very small proportions of the population. Some of our minorities are indigenous, some are migrant. For the most part we try to help the indigenous but some cling to stone age and tribal ways, others are just displaced and as such lack the wisdom of their elders, unskilled; they are unemployable because we have no tradition of household service as you might. We don't have problems of the same magnitude as you do. A truly black face is a rarity here even among indigenous, you would have to travel to the far north. There is very little real poverty here but there are people at the margins, mainly those employed in low paying jobs, earning hardly more than a minimum wage.

It is true our approach to the indigenous in the past centuries could have been considered a form of apartheid but not to tread them down but being unable to understand how to integrate such people. Few truly accept our education system, our value system and they are victims of the welfare syndrome. They were a hunter gatherer people and that skill set isn't needed in our society. Aboriginal society before european arrival could have been considered a primitive communist society, there was no land ownership, they shared everything in common, and this brought them into conflict with europeans, Yes, as such, those europeans behaved in a racist manner

I only had to change a few of YOUR words, to express my own opinion.


"But Clete we have minorities, but they represent very small proportions of the population. Some of our minorities are Indians, some are migrant, and some were slaves. For the most part we try to help the Indians but some cling to stone age and tribal ways, others are just displaced and as such lack the wisdom of their elders, unskilled; they are unemployable because we have no tradition of household service as you might. We don't have problems of the same magnitude as you do. There is very little real poverty here but there are people at the margins, mainly those employed in low paying jobs, earning hardly more than a minimum wage.

It is true our approach to the Indians in the past centuries could have been considered a form of apartheid but not to tread them down but being unable to understand how to integrate such people. Few truly accept our education system, our value system and they are victims of the welfare syndrome. They were a hunter gatherer people and that skill set isn't needed in our society. Indians before european arrival could have been considered a primitive communist society, there was no land ownership, they shared everything in common, and this brought them into conflict with europeans, Yes, as such, those europeans behaved in a racist manner."

Like I said RACIST democracies both. It doesn't take much to be in conflict with Europeans who have decided to conquer the land and assimilate it's people does it? Europe itself is evolving though, as are many other countries, messy and bloody as it is.

The point is all humans are as capable of as much good as they are capable of much evil. No country is at the perfect union state yet. Not us, not you. It is what it is.

I would add Tal I think we are further down the road of a perfect union, if such could be achieved, than you are. We have not needed two civil wars to birth our nation, so some of the ethos of the aboriginal must have leaked out, but one thing is sure, the ethos of each according to his ability to each according to his need could not take root there

Maybe you are further along at this point in your existence than we were, but we still grow, and thrive, despite what we've been through. If you get your teats in a wringer though, just give us a call, we have experience in overcoming obstacles.

Keep the whiskey handy, you may need it

Keep the whiskey handy, you may need it


I'll reach for it the next time Kim or Malcolm gives Donald a hard time

In that case keep PLENTY of whiskey handy.

In that case keep PLENTY of whiskey handy.

I won't worry Donald is now blind from looking into the eclipse, so he won't see those fake news articles

He sees what he wants, and hears what he wants anyway so you will never notice a difference. When his mouth is making noise it's a LIE!

Yes well apparently he will go back on a campaign promise and attack Afghanistan, he has to attack someone else how does he demonstrate his power, I expect he doesn't know where to find those taliban of yours

He obviously is listening to his generals which is entirely appropriate, but he also would seek to offset military expenses with economic development, whatever that means since all they have are poppy's and VERY rich mineral deposits and since the military isn't in the mining business, then he would have to hire someone outside the military, which are already bookoo HUGE for profit multinational corporations. Wonder how that would work for "offsetting" military expenses?

Maybe he will elaborate at tonight rant in Phoenix amongst his diehards. They may not ask him about that though, but hopefully the congress will. I actually meant rally in reference to tonights' event, but a Trump rally, and rant, have the same meaning. Maybe another episode of the "Trump Show" would be more accurate.

He obviously is listening to his generals which is entirely appropriate, but he also would seek to offset military expenses with economic development, whatever that means since all they have are poppy's and VERY rich mineral deposits and since the military isn't in the mining business, then he would have to hire someone outside the military, which are already bookoo HUGE for profit multinational corporations. Wonder how that would work for "offsetting" military expenses?

Maybe he will elaborate at tonight rant in Phoenix amongst his diehards. They may not ask him about that though, but hopefully the congress will. I actually meant rally in reference to tonights' event, but a Trump rally, and rant, have the same meaning. Maybe another episode of the "Trump Show" would be more accurate.

Yes I thought his double talk on the subject enlightening, particularly the change in attitude towards Pakistan. I think Donald gets it, Pakistan has been playing a double game, milking the US while supporting the Taliban and let us not forget who started the game back in the eighties. I see this as Donald finding a way to dump Pakistan, or at least appear to do so.

the pc police are getting into the act .

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/23/media/espn-robert-lee-uva-game/index.html

What maroons.

Tal. I hope you come to understand that google is the enemy. And they are trying to censor and filter everything to fit the naritive they want to push.

As long as you guys are in TOTAL and COMPLETE denial about Donald Dufus, EVERYBODY on our side needs to holler louder and longer.

What is the difference between ISIS ,and Antifa ?One wears black masks ,destroys statues ,and digs up graves . The other is Islamist .

Outrage as graves belonging to U.S. soldiers and even a child are dug up and spilled throughout Georgia cemetery | Daily Mail Online (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311453/Outrage-graves-belonging-U-S-soldiers-child-dug-spilled-Georgia-cemetery.html)

I would say a million Isis followers to a few local yahoos is the main difference. Then we have that beheading thing to separate them. One is an international terrorist organization, the other is homegrown loonies so you tell me how you can conflate the two, in scope, size or actions, and leave out the white nationalist who have terrorized America for more than a century, until they removed their hoods?

ISIS and the Klan make for a better comparison don't you think?

200,000 Americans signed a petition to recognize Antifa as a terrorist organization . Even Noam Chomsky sees them as such.

I have said they are counterproductive left wing LOONIES! Still not in the same league as the Klan or ISIS.

They are worse then the Klan or ISIS because they have the full support of the media in this country as well as the political system that wants to push the narative.

I haven't seen anyone pushing the Antifa narrative. The coverage I have seen puts them as violent destructive radical anarchists. Standing up to racist may be a noble endeavor, but that alone doesn't excuse or balance their other bad traits at all. Quite the opposite in my book. So please lighten me on this hero narrative of which you speak.

Tal, the only ones that have come forward about antifa is 4chan. Otherwise the media seems to let them off the hook by not following up on them. Take for instance the bike lock attacker from Berkeley - previous riot. He finally was outed and arrested. The media didnt want any part of it. The narative is and always has been distraction of the highest order. It needs to stop andthis country needs to heal. Trump was voted in and he is the office holder. Just as Obama was. We all find ways to endure.

. We all find ways to endure.

Meanwhile there is always the distraction of Kim Jong Un

When you think of un-Kim ;think Rhineland .

When you think of un-Kim ;think Rhineland .

I have heard that argument, not quite the same circumstance

of course it is ,Hitler took advantage of the collapsing of an armistice ;with a military that was growing ,but still defeat-able ,if the allied forces had the spine to enforce the terms .

I doubt China takes kindly to a preemptive military strike on NK, plus you would have to COMPLETELY obliterate this fool to stop his capability of doing deadly damage to SK.

Maybe not. A looney with a nuke in Pyongyang is not in their best interest either .
If we guarantee there will be no attempt at reunification ,and that they get to choose the next leader of the NORKs ;and if they in turn would have to guarantee no more proliferation of nukes and missile technology to Iran ,then possibly they would accept it . What would be unacceptable to them would be a nuclear Japan ,South Korea ,Philippines ,and Taiwan. But that is where we are headed if the NORKs continue down the path they are on .

We both agree that China is the key to this mess, and having a loony with nukes is a helluva bargaining chip for them. That's why we keep talking to them over this issue. It's like a neighbor with a big, vicious scary dog. As long as he is on a leash, nothing you should do, but your still scared and cautious, even PISSED about him having it.

Keep the pistol handy even when you check the mail, or take out the garbage, but stay off the neighbors property.

Do you think China can control the mad dog ? I think not.

I wouldn't shoot a dog for barking. If he attacked me or mine, especially on MY property, then that's a different story.

Two words for ya...DEAD DOG! (The owner would get his too!!)

Just sayin'!

Kim needs reassurance the US will not attempt to reunify Korea by force. Kim has the long held agenda of reunification by force and resents US support of the south. Right now he is reacting to US shows of force on the peninsula. There is no need for combined war games on the peninsula, it is provocative. The US should suck its scone in and stop provocative actions and see if Kim responds. Someone has to be the bigger man here

and this isn't provocation ?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2017/sep/03/north-korea-nuclear-test-south-korea-yohap-kim-jong-un-live

He is close if not over the point of no return . The implication of Kim having missile ready nukes are far reaching . At very least the era of non-proliferation is gone. The world will regret their inability to prevent the spread of nukes to crackpots like Kim or to homicidal apocalyptic screwballs like the 12er in Tehran.

This was in April's Atlantic :We are now at an existential moment, where North Korea must be confronted with a fundamental choice: Either it will face crippling global economic sanctions (including a Chinese oil embargo) that could trigger the collapse of the regime, or it will negotiate a verifiable end to its nuclear weapons development program.

Well Kim called the bluff. Kim picked what the negotiators believed was an irrational option. Will that be the last time he takes the irrational route ?

Don't be such a squish just because China is playing HARDBALL. It's in their interest that we be very afraid of Kim. Lets not forget Kim IS a threat because that's what China wants them to be.

herr Donald threatened to stop all trade with nations doing business with the NORKS . 95% of their trade is with the PRC .Now Kim is a threat to them (and always have been ......China is building a wall between the 2 nations ).http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01860/china-fence-korea_1860133c.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjvvMKg1InWAhWL7YMKHe4IDYsQjRwIBw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.telegraph.co.uk%2Fnews%2Fworl dnews%2Fasia%2Fnorthkorea%2F8415490%2FChina-builds-higher-fences-over-fears-of-instability-in-North-Korea.html&psig=AFQjCNEzHWaGMbYklNbtNLImkwl6us6uGA&ust=1504550160015372)

China seems to be protecting itself from NK refugees, but they do nothing in regard to NK threatening others. Nikki Haley threatened them to do more to rein in their stupid pet at the UN emergency session this morning, with consequences if they don't. A trade war helps no one, but neither does ICBM's going over your head.

as you know I despise trade war . But where they can be used to influence the behavior of bad actors then I have no choice but the support sanctions (even with the poor track record of their effectiveness). The choices here are few and none of them acceptable . The one I reject out of hand is nukes in the hands of the Kim regime ,and by extension ,in the hands of the 12ers .


as you know I despise trade war . But where they can be used to influence the behavior of bad actors then I have no choice but the support sanctions (even with the poor track record of their effectiveness). The choices here are few and none of them acceptable . The one I reject out of hand is nukes in the hands of the Kim regime ,and by extension ,in the hands of the 12ers .

If you don't want a hot war you may have to have a trade war. A trade war will mean you will isolate yourselves as many nations trade with China and if you sanction trade with them you are biting yourself on the A#se. The alternative is to give the sanctions time to bite, these things are are not instantaneous

There's a lot of truth to that Clete, sanctions could take a while, and there may be a lot more to come. Heck we may have to sanction Australia for selling dirt to China before it's over. Surely you can see other nations may well have to chose whose side your on in this on. Go ahead choose China and Kim, and we will see who is isolated.

There's a lot of truth to that Clete, sanctions could take a while, and there may be a lot more to come. Heck we may have to sanction Australia for selling dirt to China before it's over. Surely you can see other nations may well have to chose whose side your on in this on. Go ahead choose China and Kim, and we will see who is isolated.

We don't choose KIM but there are nations who trade directly with NK, such as China and India who we trade with, heck, we even trade with you. It isn't a matter of sides. Either you want China in the real world or you want to isolate them too, trade is interconnected today, as I said you isolate those who trade with China, you isolate yourselves

Trade is cool, Kim is NOT!

Exactly, you can't make a profit doing nothing

Profit before people? Hmm. Boy we could make a mint selling nukes to people that want them.

Profit before people? Hmm. Boy we could make a mint selling nukes to people that want them.

Way things are going there might be a market in the south, but then we have the technology to make our own, we just don't have the reactors, lack of foresight there, or just plain old socialist, greenie, politics as contrasted with the red kind, I wonder if our new drones are nuclear capable?

I think we could cut a deal and make them nuclear capable. How much money you got? We give Island Paradise discounts you know!

I think we could cut a deal and make them nuclear capable. How much money you got? We give Island Paradise discounts you know!

Let's cut a deal, I hear you have about 800,000 good hard working people you want to deport, we will swap you for 2,000 refugees and some tactical nukes for our drones. That a big enough discount for you?

What are we getting in return? Cash is king and we don't need dirt.

What are we getting in return? Cash is king and we don't need dirt.

Ah, people of so little vision, look at the job creation, with 800,000 less, their jobs become instantly available, solving another problem. The weapons you give us would probably be cold war era anyway, and you need somewhere to dispose of them. We will give you Aussie Dollars at a 50% discount, these will soar in value when you finally bomb Kim and cause a trade war with China and the rest of the world. But you forget, we are one of the largest gold producers in the world, so dirt in another form perhaps, lovely yellow stuff, or perhaps that other yellow stuff you are so fond of, we have plenty of that too

Butter?

Ah, a man of vision after all, no, we closed the butter factories when Britain deserted us for the second time (EU). I was referring to uranium, Indians love the stuff. We do a lovely line of cheese though. Maybe you could give us some nuclear reactors for our new subs and some cruise missiles to go with them, after all we have never had a Marshall plan, you spent all your money on your enemies and did nothing for your allies

You didn't look like you needed a Marshall Plan to me, and I am sure you could never adapt to corporate capitalistic ideology, though many of your businesses have. Not a personal knock you understand, as I think you and I share that trait. With all that uranium I bet you have the best medical technology facilities in the world though.

https://antinuclear.net/2017/09/06/how-australia-increases-nuclear-weapons-proliferation-risks/

You drive a hard bargain, but don't fret, your military has been trained very well over the years and frankly you don't need us to supply you with anything. I bet you knew that already so back to BUTTER.

I bet you knew that already so back to BUTTER.

Are you telling me you need butter? I thought you were happy with that piosonous substitute.

As to your question about medical technology, we have very good medical technology, and our doctors are not quite as entreprenurial as yours. Yes our military is very experienced at playing deputy sheriff and helping you train yours

I never doubted your skills, but would imagine training works both ways to be an efficient working force. I am also very aware of the treaties you have signed with the people you sell your dirt to. You have the capitalist part down pat, no matter how your products may be used.

I never doubted your skills, but would imagine training works both ways to be an efficient working force. I am also very aware of the treaties you have signed with the people you sell your dirt to. You have the capitalist part down pat, no matter how your products may be used.

Yes training does work both ways, but apart from piloting new aircraft I haven't heard of many of our troops training in the US however we have two large centres here that are used by the US for training purposes, often in collaboration with Aussie forces. We also train the forces of other nations.

While we operate in a capitalist paradigm we often find its focus on shareholder value runs counter to national interest, particularly where multinationals are concerned and they have to be incentivised to keep our industries going. Right now there is debate about closing aging coal fired power stations because capitalists have failed to seize the opportunity for replacement. They have the vague idea that it should be with renewables but the wind doesn't blow and the sun doesn't shine to order. We had the wonderful idea capitalists should build a broadband network, no takers, so a national corporation is doing it at great cost and much delay. Our next wonderful idea is they will build an inland railway, no takers, so limited progress. Once again government will have to do it and let us not speak about high speed rail, the very idea lowers air fares to ridiculous levels

Same here Clete, corporate interests are often not in line with domestic interest. Finding the sweet spot to balance both is difficult. New technology is expensive and not always labor intensive, and multinationals drive very hard bargains. Government can only spend what the electorate will bear to pay, and want their own bargains at cut rate prices.

You may have to raise the price on dirt if you want the latest cable TV.

You may have to raise the price on dirt if you want the latest cable TV.

The price of dirt isn't up to us, but it has risen recently, we need to raise the price of exported gas to domestic levels. I don't want cable TV, Tal, but it is getting so it is the only way to escape the advertisers. We can sell plenty of coal even if iron is a bit slow but the real money will be in food