For thousands of years, Satan has been bringing dishonor and disdain to God’s Holy Name. Matter of fact, most Bible Translations have deleted, defaced, and removed God’s Name from scripture.

How does (Psalm 83:18 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-83-18/)) read in your Bible?

Last time I opened a link, I got a virus. Never again.

Good to know. From now on I'll give the quote:
“That men
may know that thou, whose name alone is
JEHOVAH, art
the most high over all the earth.” (Psalms 83:18 KJV)

Does answering your own question actually have a point ?
So there are variances in translations, what does it matter, you read the version you prefer.

Exodus 3:14 -- I Am that I Am (אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, ehyeh ašer ehyeh)

Twitter 8:13 -- I Am President, and You're Not. Trump the Rump.

"I Am who Am". Moses asked God for a name." Who shall I say sent me".Thus you shall say to the Sons of Israel "I AM has sent me to you" Paraphrased from Exodus. God, Jehovah, Adonai, Yahweh and other names were added by man. Jesus references that in John saying, "before Abraham existed, I AM.".

Even though the scriptures state that Moses spoke to God face to face, the scriptures also state, "No man has seen God at any time" (John 1:18). Moses was speaking to the 'I am' God's Personal Messenger, his Word.

"And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a thorn-bush: and he looked, and behold, the thorn-bush burned with fire, and the thorn-bush was not being consumed." (Exodus 3:2 Darby)

Even the Apostle Paul refers to this angel as the 'I am". An angel of God, not God himself. All angels existed before Abraham.

"And the Angel of Jehovah appeared to him
Are you a Witness?

Yes and so was Jesus. "These things said the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Rev 3:14 KJV)

You are putting words in from your translation. Go back to Greek, Hebrew or Aramaic. This is not a platform to support your agenda. " Yes, and so was Jesus". Jehovah is a modern translation. Why not call Him Michael the Archangel? Isn't that a Witness belief?

Arthur Clarke proposed that man's only purpose was to elucidate all the names of God

https://www.amazon.com/Nine-Billion-Names-God/dp/0451089995

Use any translation you like. As you can see, I used the KJV. "These things said the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;" (Rev 3:14 KJV)

The Greek word beginning is Arche'.
Strong's Concordance
Arché: beginning, origin
Original Word: ἀρχή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: arché
Phonetic Spelling: (ar-khay')
Short Definition: ruler, beginning
Definition: (a) rule (kingly or magisterial), (b) plur: in a quasi-personal sense, almost: rulers, magistrates, (c) beginning.

HELPS Word-studies
746 arxḗ – properly, from the beginning (temporal sense), i.e. "the initial (starting) point"; (figuratively) what comes first and therefore is chief (foremost), i.e. has the priority because ahead of the rest ("preeminent").

Creations are spoken of in the feminine sense. Jesus had a beginning as in Archangel or bright morning star. "I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star." (Rev 22:16 KJV) Are you now going to deny Jesus is the I am?

One of the more amazing things I've come across on the internet is how 70-75 books written 2,000-2,500 years ago, not a single one in a modern language, and by as many different authors, can be so parsed and nit-picked that dozens (thousands?) of different translations/explanations/theories can be offered with each one giving a critical view not supported by any of the others.

Poor Jesus. He wanted people to think past the surface of things, but this has gotten ridiculous.

6 billion humans in the world, and they all probably mean the same just sounds different.

God/Yahweh/I Am:

He never had a beginning. Every child asks, “Who made God?” And every wise parent says, “Nobody made God. God simply is. And always was. No beginning.”

6 billion humans in the world, and they all probably mean the same just sounds different.

Agreed. But they shouldn't beat each other up over it.

No one's opening the door to JW's anymore, so now they've taken to the internet? Sigh.

(All of a sudden a whole bunch of posters here - the backyard barbecues must be over - US Independence Day and, I think, Canada celebrating its own - so who's cleaning up outside as you guys are internetting? - are the little kids calming down - Uncle Joe falling asleep in the living room chair? - teenagers going out to meet the crowd? -------------------)

Ok - back. Wondergirl - I don't think anyone denied Jesus is God. At least in this thread. The original question was about seeing God - the face of God. Unless I missed something in the JW post which I found hard to understand.

Ok - back. Wondergirl - I don't think anyone denied Jesus is God. At least in this thread. The original question was about seeing God - the face of God. Unless I missed something in the JW post which I found hard to understand.
Brother Rando: Are you now [bold mine/WG's] going to deny Jesus is the I am?

WG: I took that statement as meaning that someone in this thread had denied Jesus is God, but I couldn't find it, so I deleted my statement in my post.

Athos, Canada day is on July 1st. The Canadians cleaned up days ago. :)

Athos, Canada day is on July 1st. The Canadians cleaned up days ago. :)

Thank you. Canada always struck me as the neater of the two countries - maybe due to cooler weather.

The God and Father has no beginning because he is eternal. However, the son was begotten (John 3:16) and has a beginning (Rev 3:14). Since Jesus was begotten then there was a time when he was not.

Here's some 1 Peter 1:3 translations:

Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ (NIV)
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! (ESV)
Praise the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! (GW)

Jesus is "the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Matthew 16:16)

The God and Father has no beginning because he is eternal. However, the son was begotten (John 3:16) and has a beginning (Rev 3:14). Since Jesus was begotten then there was a time when he was not.

Gen. 1:26 (KJV) Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.
John 10:30(NIV) I and the Father are one.

According to Christian doctrine, Jesus the Christ is one of the Persons of the Trinity. The other two are God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Jesus has a God and Father. Here's a quote from Jesus Christ. "You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 KJV)

The trinity is not a Christian Doctrine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO8UIVTyGXI&list=PL862879BCC1506D29&index=2) nor can it be found in the Bible.

Jesus has a God and Father. Here's a quote from Jesus Christ. "You have heard how I said to you, I go away, and come again to you. If you loved me, you would rejoice, because I said, I go to the Father: for my Father is greater than I." (John 14:28 KJV)

The trinity is not a Christian Doctrine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO8UIVTyGXI&list=PL862879BCC1506D29&index=2) nor can it be found in the Bible.
Then, by your estimation, what happens to those who believe in the Trinity?

Since Jesus is the beginning of Creation (Rev 3:14) accepting the Deity of Christ is important. And yes we believe in the Deity.

Strong's Concordance

theotés: deity
Original Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theotés
Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace)
Short Definition: deity, Godhead
Definition: deity, Godhead.

Even Moses was part of the Godhead in how God gives others authority to others whom represent him. Moses was called God, does that make him God?

The Godhead is explained at (1 Corinthians 11:3) "But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYekQxqocA8&list=PL862879BCC1506D29&index=5)."

The scripture is clear about salvation. "For if you publicly declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and exercise faith in your heart that God raised him up from the dead, you will be saved." (Romans 10:9)
There is no scripture stating salvation in the trinity. If you can show me one, I am willing to listen to it.

There is no scripture stating salvation in the trinity. If you can show me one, I am willing to listen to it.
Did I say there is?

The trinity is not a Christian Doctrine (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO8UIVTyGXI&list=PL862879BCC1506D29&index=2) nor can it be found in the Bible.
The Apostles' Creed, The Nicene Creed, and The Athanasian Creed all profess the Trinitarian doctrine and are statements of faith by Christian churches.

The Apostles' Creed, The Nicene Creed, and The Athanasian Creed all profess the Trinitarian doctrine and are statements of faith by Christian churches.

Whether the Trinity is Christian or not is not for me to say. But the fact of the matter is that it was not considered officially a part of the new faith until a few hundred years after Jesus at one of the Church Councils. Support for the Trinity biblically seems forced and depends on a curious reading of certain passages in the Bible.

"The Apostles' Creed, The Nicene Creed, and The Athanasian Creed all profess the Trinitarian doctrine" There's a big difference between Christians that preach that Jesus is the Christ and trinitarians who proclaim that Jesus is God. You will not find a single scripture that states, "Jesus is God".


God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24)

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)

Does the trinity state that "God is a Spirit'? Jesus Christ does... Jesus started the preaching work almost 2,000 years ago and sent his followers from door to door in twos. That Preaching Work is now reaching its' Conclusion.

"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)

"Look! I am standing at the door and knocking. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come into his house and take the evening meal with him and he with me." (Rev 3:20)

Take Care.

The problem is that those languages are dead. We don't have any more native speakers to tell us what everything means. We give it out best shot, and different people come up with different conclusions. That's the way it goes with any literature in a dead language.

the problem is that those languages are dead. We don't have any more native speakers to tell us what everything means. We give it out best shot, and different people come up with different conclusions. That's the way it goes with any literature in a dead language.

amen !!

Quote all you want, JW's are great at that! How about "1889 "In the coming 26 years, all present governments will be overthrown and dissolved." (C.T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures, Vol. 2, p. 98-99, 1889) Inspired?

I know exactly who the I am is... Paul referred to him as the angel of God. In Acts 27:23. But will you humble yourself to see? Acts 27:23 Greek Text Analysis (http://biblehub.com/text/acts/27-23.htm)

"For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve," (Acts 27:23 KJV)


Your church is lying to you... Wake up O' Sleeper...




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Text Analysis




Strong's
Transliteration
Greek
English
Morphology


3936 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3936.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3936.htm)
parestē (http://biblehub.com/greek/pareste__3936.htm)
παρέστη
stood by
V-AIA-3S (http://biblehub.com/grammar/v-aia-3s.htm)


1063 (http://biblehub.com/greek/1063.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1063.htm)
gar (http://biblehub.com/greek/gar_1063.htm)
γάρ
indeed
Conj (http://biblehub.com/grammar/conj.htm)


1473 (http://biblehub.com/greek/1473.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1473.htm)
moi (http://biblehub.com/greek/moi_1473.htm)
μοι
me
PPro-D1S (http://biblehub.com/grammar/ppro-d1s.htm)


3778 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3778.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3778.htm)
tautē (http://biblehub.com/greek/taute__3778.htm)
ταύτῃ
this
DPro-DFS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/dpro-dfs.htm)


3588 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3588.htm)
tē (http://biblehub.com/greek/te__3588.htm)
τῇ
-
Art-DFS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/art-dfs.htm)


3571 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3571.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3571.htm)
nykti (http://biblehub.com/greek/nukti_3571.htm)
νυκτὶ
night
N-DFS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/n-dfs.htm)


3588 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3588.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3588.htm)
tou (http://biblehub.com/greek/tou_3588.htm)
τοῦ
- ,
Art-GMS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/art-gms.htm)


2316 (http://biblehub.com/greek/2316.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_2316.htm)
Theou (http://biblehub.com/greek/theou_2316.htm)
Θεοῦ,
of God,
N-GMS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/n-gms.htm)


3739 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3739.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3739.htm)
hou (http://biblehub.com/greek/ou_3739.htm)
οὗ
whose
RelPro-GMS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/relpro-gms.htm)


1510 (http://biblehub.com/greek/1510.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1510.htm)
eimi (http://biblehub.com/greek/eimi_1510.htm)
εἰμι,
am
V-PIA-1S (http://biblehub.com/grammar/v-pia-1s.htm)


1473 (http://biblehub.com/greek/1473.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_1473.htm)
egō (http://biblehub.com/greek/ego__1473.htm)
[ἐγώ]
I
PPro-N1S (http://biblehub.com/grammar/ppro-n1s.htm)


3739 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3739.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3739.htm)
hō (http://biblehub.com/greek/o__3739.htm)
ᾧ
whom
RelPro-DMS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/relpro-dms.htm)


2532 (http://biblehub.com/greek/2532.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_2532.htm)
kai (http://biblehub.com/greek/kai_2532.htm)
καὶ
and
Conj (http://biblehub.com/grammar/conj.htm)


3000 (http://biblehub.com/greek/3000.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_3000.htm)
latreuō (http://biblehub.com/greek/latreuo__3000.htm)
λατρεύω,
I serve,
V-PIA-1S (http://biblehub.com/grammar/v-pia-1s.htm)


32 (http://biblehub.com/greek/32.htm) [e] (http://biblehub.com/greek/strongs_32.htm)
angelos (http://biblehub.com/greek/angelos_32.htm)
ἄγγελος
an angel,
N-NMS (http://biblehub.com/grammar/n-nms.htm)

Exodus 3:14 -- I Am that I Am (אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‎, ehyeh ašer ehyeh)

Read Exodus 3:2, it states angel of Jehovah.
The Apostle Paul also refers to the I am as the angel of God in Acts 27:23.

For there stood by me this night the angel of God, whose I am, and whom I serve, Acts 27:23

Whose means who is... For there stood by me this night the angel of God, who is I am, and whom I serve, Acts 27:23

Well, this is confusing. A similar question was asked with different text which I answered. However, a Curly Ben decided it was a duplicate question and referred THAT thread to THIS thread, omitting my answer at THAT thread.

So I will post it again.

To the Question Does God Have A Name? I answered:



Of course He does. "God" is one of them. Others are - Lord, Yahweh, Elohim, Adonai, Allah, Brahma, Krishna, and more too numerous to mention.

I think what you mean is - "Does God have a name He calls Himself and which He has revealed to humankind?"

Some say yes, some say no.

In any case, what if He does or He doesn't? What is the import of your question?

Gen. 1:26 (KJV) Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness.
John 10:30(NIV) I and the Father are one.

According to Christian doctrine, Jesus the Christ is one of the Persons of the Trinity. The other two are God the Father and the Holy Spirit.

"Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way, The earliest of his achievements of long ago. 23 From ancient times I was installed, From the start, from times earlier than the earth. 24 When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth, When there were no springs overflowing with water. 25 Before the mountains were set in place, Before the hills, I was brought forth," (Proverbs 8:22-24)


But unto them who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God. (1 Corinthians 1:24 KJV)

Wisdom is spoken of in the feminine sense, likewise beginning for Jesus was begotten, created, made, brought forth.

Strong's Concordance

sophia: skill, wisdom
Original Word: σοφία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: sophia
Phonetic Spelling: (sof-ee'-ah)
Short Definition: wisdom
Definition: wisdom, insight, skill (human or divine), intelligence.

Athos, the cooler weather is only in the winter. This weekend is supposed to get up to a balmy 35C (95F) in my neck of the woods, and 40C (104F) just a few hours drive away. Can't run the AC in our trailer as we don't have a hookup site, and we'll be camping in the deep woods this weekend. Hoping the trees provide a lot of shade because menopause sucks in the heat. :)

Sorry, I'm hijacking the thread.

Back to the conversation about God. Carry on. :)

@Brother Rando

All that quote of ancient man is well and good but what does that have to do with your own personal relationship with the God that you understand? I can get with spreading the word and respect that's what you choose to do, and while the ancients are interesting, it would help my understanding of YOU, as an example of a true believer, if you can tie the relevance of ancient Christians to the reality of modern man since Jesus was a jew and taught from the jewish "bible". So now that Jewish bible is irrelevant, since his followers have started their own religion?

Yes, I get that a lot. Thanks for your comment though, as least I know I'm doing the right thing. The truth about Jehovah's Witnesses (https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/2017/07/05/the-truth-about-jehovah-witness/)

Ya, your link "The truth about Jehovah's Witnesses", lost me as soon as I started reading and it started with JW's being the only true Christians walking the Earth.

That's your opinion, and your belief, and of course you believe it, otherwise you wouldn't be a JW. But, that's not everyone's belief, and it's very disrespectful to say that your religion is the only one that's worthy, that you're the only true Christians. What a load of bull. Every Christian believes they're the only ones following the true path, and that their God is the only true God.

If you want to talk about the bible, fine. If you want to talk about what God means to you, fine. But when you start preaching your religion as the only true religion, that's when people slam the door in your face. It's an insult, and above all, it's not accurate.

Religion is like a penis. It's okay to have one, and it's okay to be proud of it, but it's not okay to shove it in other people's face.

According to Bible Prophecy, Religion will be destroyed soon. The Political elements are already bringing her to nothing. No public Prayer. No Bibles in Federal Public Squares including courtrooms. When Religion thinks they had stopped Jehovah's Witnesses from witnessing about God's Name Jehovah and that Jesus is "the Christ, the son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16) something marvelous happens. I'm not telling you this in order to convert you, but to give you a witness.

"Whenever it is that they are saying, “Peace and security!” then sudden destruction is to be instantly on them, just like birth pains on a pregnant woman, and they will by no means escape." (1 Thessalonians 5:3)

Take Care...
Brother Rando

PS... When Religion goes down... Good riddance! Normally people go to prison for crimes such as killing someone. But JW's are put in prison for reusing to kill anyone. https://www.jw.org/en/news/

You don't need religion to believe in God, or to be a good person. Public prayer does nothing, and the bible is just a book. That's my belief.

No matter what you say you'd never convert me, so post your beliefs. Just remember that your beliefs are just that, yours. They do not encompass the world. If you want a debate, fine, just keep it friendly. But from what you post it doesn't look like you want a debate, you want a platform to preach on, and that just doesn't sit well with me.

Like I said before, religion is like a penis, and I'm so sick of people sticking their penis in my face. Why can't people of religion wait for people to ask about it? Why do they feel the need to preach to everyone? If it's so great, why aren't people coming to your door begging you to tell them about your God?

It just all feels very cultish to me.

It's cool to be the only true Christians, though I think other Christians would take umbrage at that claim, and dismiss it as just that, a claim, and not a statement of fact, and some admire the zeal in which you present your case, which personally seems the path to martyrdom rather than salvation, but to each his own I suppose. There should be something romantic in emulating the ways of ancient man, but its hard to excuse not accepting the reality of the human condition, including its history of evolution and development.

You seem to be stuck in the "back then" and unable to embrace the good of your fellow humans who are not exactly like you, and have no wish to be, but fortunately you also seem to be a stubborn minority, a small part of a greater story in which while we cannot change it, and certainly we should not, we cannot embrace it fully, but must accept it as is. Every human deserves that I think no matter how nutty they may sound.

I must confess a sadness though that you may never get in touch with the fact, and reality of God though, that's rather easy to understand, and that is in embracing all the other humans, as we are all connected to the same CREATOR, no matter the language of our religion, or how we celebrate it. It is indeed the imperative to not put such artificial conscript of human flaws before that reality.

I doubt even your own faith can deny that FACT. Though some understand it better than others, there is no excuse for ANY human to think he is better than another. Back to you.

Every member of religion should feel that their religion is the only true religion. Otherwise, why be in it?

However, just as the first century christians refused to take up arms , AS a whole, we reject engaging in war because we are neutral and the Bible states not to murder.

He said to him: “Which ones?” Jesus said: “You must not murder, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not bear false witness," (Matthew 19:18)



Here's an article if you want to a look at it. Why Don't Jehovah Witnesses Go to War? (https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/why-dont-you-go-to-war/)

Ecclesiastes 3:8 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Eccles%203.8) declares, “There is…a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.” In a world filled with sin, hatred, and evil (Romans 3:10-18 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rom%203.10-18)), war is inevitable. Christians should not desire war, but neither are Christians to oppose the government God has placed in authority over them (Romans 13:1-4 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rom%2013.1-4); 1 Peter 2:17 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Pet%202.17)).

That's correct and as a religion Jehovah Witnesses are alone in this. They submit to the laws of the land but refuse to go against God's Law. Therefore we will not go out and kill when nations are in conflicts.

We respect the Flag and will stand for it, giving it respect. But we do not worship it for our God Jehovah is a Jealous God. You will not find a Jehovah Witness burning the Flag, or desecrating the Flag in any manner. Pay back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.

Jehovah will bring one enemy of his to another enemy to conflict by confusion and they will turn on there own. "Then Moses said to the people: “Do not be afraid. Stand firm and see the salvation of Jehovah that he will perform for you today. For the Egyptians whom you see today, you will never ever see again. Jehovah himself will fight for you, and you will keep silent.” (Exodus 14:13-14)

"You will not need to fight this battle. Take your position, stand still, and see the salvation of Jehovah in your behalf." (1 Chronicles 20:17)

Jehovah Witness simply do not engage in warfare. "You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may prove yourselves sons of your Father who is in the heavens, since he makes his sun rise on both the wicked and the good and makes it rain on both the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 For if you love those loving you, what reward do you have? Are not also the tax collectors doing the same thing? 47 And if you greet your brothers only, what extraordinary thing are you doing? Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:43-48)

That's correct and as a religion Jehovah Witnesses are alone in this. They submit to the laws of the land but refuse to go against God's Law. Therefore we will not go out and kill when nations are in conflicts.

etc., etc., etc.


Are not also the people of the nations doing the same thing? 48 You must accordingly be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect." (Matthew 5:43-48)


That is a well-stated position regarding JW pacificism. Conscientious objection is a recognized stance in the US and other nations. On the other hand, it should be obvious that some Biblical authors took the opposite position as WG has cited.

Later, Augustine formed his "just war" theory which most Christians have followed ever since. Thank God he did or else we would all be living under tyrants. In the Gospels Jesus exhibited righteous anger and he famously said Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's, which can be taken in more than one way and which Augustine used in support of his theory.

As dwashbur said previously in this thread, those who study ancient languages (such as the Bible IN ITS ENTIRETY) can come up with various solutions, not always the same.

Every member of religion should feel that their religion is the only true religion. Otherwise, why be in it?

That is exactly my point! EVERYBODY thinks they are right, and EVERYBODY else is wrong! A typical human flaw that justifies all kinds of word, actions and behaviors that are patently IMPERFECT, and frankly distracts from grasping the REAL truth.

Is not denigrating other religions, but your own bearing false witness?

That is exactly my point! EVERYBODY thinks they are right, and EVERYBODY else is wrong! A typical human flaw that justifies all kinds of word, actions and behaviors that are patently IMPERFECT, and frankly distracts from grasping the REAL truth.

Is not denigrating other religions, but your own bearing false witness?


Excellent point. I meant to include this comment of Brother Rando in my post but I forgot. Agree 100% with Talinman.

Also, I heartily disagree with the notion that every member of a religion should think his is the only true one. No religion believes that anymore except for a handful of folks still living in the Middle Ages.

Even the Catholic Church ("There is no salvation outside the Catholic Church") has softened its stance on this belief, although grudgingly, I admit.

In (John 17:1) Jesus Christ approached his Father in pray openly with his disciples listening and stated, "This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." (John 17:3)

"I have made your name manifest to the men whom you gave me out of the world. They were yours, and you gave them to me, and they have observed your word." (John 17:6)

Soon, all wickedness will be removed from the earth so that the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ can be worshiped without demonic opposition and JEHOVAH'S name will be vindicated WORLDWIDE. Jesus prayed, "Our Father hallowed be your Name". Jehovah Witnesses are the only true Christians going door to door "hallowing the Father's Name" by making it known.

Sorry... Only Jehovah Witnesses believe that... they just annoy the Hell out of the rest of us. I stopped trying to be nice to get rid of them years ago... I think they finally got the message because they don't bang on my door any more...

I'm not Atheist or agnostic... I'm a Protestant, I've spent more time in a Catholic Church the last 25 years than my own Because wife IS... but there is no chance I'll ever become Catholic, because I just don't agree with so much of where they Differ. And Nobody is going to convince me otherwise....

My Uncle is no longer a JW because when my aunt needed an operation they hounded them to NOT allow a transfusion and she died as a result...during post op bleeding days after the operation.there was another family nearby where I grew up that had two kids that suffered severe brain damage from high fevers when young due to doctrine that refuses medication (neither would ever be able to care for themselves as adults with a mental capacity of a 3 year old) they were much older than I was, and knew of a few others as well.

That is NOT something in the bible, that is a doctrine created by leaders of the JW who were nothing more than men/women.

Also many of them DON'T know the scripture as well as they think.....some elderly JW women showed up at a friends shop a number of years ago spouting off something incorrectly, and my friend told them they were mistaken and had it wrong...they got indignant about what he told them it really was......then he pulled his Bible out and showed them word for word it was EXACTLY as he said....because while you would never guess it to meet him....he had it memorized word for word, cover to cover. They couldn't leave fast enough. I was there and saw it happen.

Jehovah Witnesses only accept the 'Blood of Christ'. Those who don't believe in the 'Blood of Christ' seek salvation from a foreign source. "Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has everlasting life, and I will resurrect him on the last day;" (John 6:54)

"For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it." (Matthew 16:25)

Salvation is not forced on anyone. Everyone has been given the gift of 'free will' and what they choose is their own choice. The door is open, for those who want to come in and for those who wish to leave, can leave.

Ok smoothy I can appreciate where you are coming from about religion. My upbringing was as a Catholic. I was always a spiritual person or at least thought so. Then I overheard someone asking another person for a Bible Study. I said I would be interested in getting some questions answered.

I noticed that we as catholics would say the same prayers over and over and not even understand what we were saying. It was more like chanting. You know the Lord's Prayer that Catholics recite at every church meeting. But I soon realized that the teachings of Jesus Christ were in a 180 opposite heading to the Catholic church.

For instance, Jesus stated, "When praying, do not say the same things over and over again as the people of the nations do, for they imagine they will get a hearing for their use of many words.  So do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need even before you ask him." (Matthew 6:7-8)

So I asked myself, do I obey Christ or do I obey my church who taught the opposite by saying the same things over and over again? Look up (Matthew 6:7-8).

If you obey the God that you understand then what do you need a bible for?

The Bible gives us instructions and God reveals himself through his Word. We can learn Bible Principles and try to apply them to our lives. A Bible Principle is a statement of truth that does not change with the passing of time or circumstance.

The truth is the truth. Our understanding of the truth is revealed progressively. A Bible can also give us directions much like a GPS. Many Archaeologists are atheists, yet, they have no quarrel in using the Bible to find remnants of lost cities and treasure.

Reading and researching the Bible can give us something that we can't buy. Peace of mind.

Here's an example of a Bible Principle. "The one who loves discipline loves knowledge, But the one who hates reproof is unreasoning.  The good person obtains Jehovah’s approval, But He condemns the man of wicked schemes.  No man is made secure by wickedness, But the righteous will never be uprooted." (Proverbs 12:1-3)

If you read, think, and meditate about these things, do you not receive a measure of calmness? Have you ever heard what goes around comes around? That statement comes the scriptures I shared with you. The Bible is full of treasures...

Reading and researching the Bible can give us something that we can't buy. Peace of mind.

Now that's cool, and I can respect that. Whether or not you can respect my way of achieving peace of mind is cool too.

Nobody knows how to pronounce His covenant name in the Old Testament ("Jehovah" is way wrong because Hebrew didn't have a "J" or "V" sound). But since we're on the afterward side of the New Testament, I just call Him "Daddy."

Nobody knows how to pronounce His covenant name in the Old Testament ("Jehovah" is way wrong because Hebrew didn't have a "J" or "V" sound). But since we're on the afterward side of the New Testament, I just call Him "Daddy."
Abba Father.

The Hebrew Language had No Letters in it. NONE, it's called script. Those who deny the Father and God of Jesus Christ also deny the Son which was given a Name 'Jesus'.

This teaching is also anti- semitic in claiming there are No Jews, saying there is no 'J' in Hebrew. There is No 'Y' in Hebrew either, no letters at all. To pick one letter when there is None, is worse than an outright lie for it is an untruth with a dark agenda. Satan is the Father of the lie when he asked, "So it said to the woman: “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1)

God made no such statement. To say there is no 'J' is the same “Did God really say that you must not eat from every tree of the garden?” (Genesis 3:1) Such ones are already dying the second death, the lake of fire that symbolizes everlasting death. That is where their gnashing and weeping of teeth will be.....

"Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22)

To claim there is no Jesus because there is No 'J' won't produce salvation but an everlasting death in the same manner of Adam and Eve with no prospect of a Resurrection. There is no 'j' in hebrew, latin, or greek but when transliterated in English we do use the letters of our alphabet.

The trinity is the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ by omission. Look up the trinity doctrine and you will not find Jesus Christ in the doctrine. The trinity doctrine is a generic formula with No Names in it copied from Paganism. They teach a different and false doctrine. "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 7)

The Hebrew Language had No Letters in it. NONE, it's called script. Those who deny the Father and God of Jesus Christ also deny the Son which was given a Name 'Jesus'.


To be honest, I have no idea what you just said. The Hebrew language had, and still has, 22 letters. The one that got transcribed as "J" is actually a "Y" sound. So how did we end up with a "J"?

German, that's how. The word "Jehovah" comes to us from German transcription of the way it was written in the Hebrew manuscripts. Jewish scribes took the vowels from the word "adonai", which means "lord," and put them onto the Divine Name, YHWH, making a word pronounced roughly "Yehowah." In German, J" is pronounced like our "Y" and German "W" is pronounced like our "V". English translators saw the Hebrew word and weren't sure what to do with it, so they adopted the German transcription, but didn't bother to pronounce it German style.

This is how we got the word "Jehovah." It doesn't exist. It's not a real word, not even in Hebrew. It's an English corruption of a German attempt to transcribe an artificially-created Hebrew word that didn't really exist and was made to avoid pronouncing the Name. Anyone who hangs their theological hat on that is leaning on a broken reed, as my dad used to say.

@BR

Why do you feed this religious battle amongst your fellow Christians? Is it the rebel in you, or do you have something to prove? The trinity acknowledges the GOD, and Son, as well as the connecting spirit, yet you gripe about the pronunciation of a name?

That's TRIBAL thinking at it's worse. Unless you rise above it, you drown in your own CRAP!

The Hebrew Language had No Letters in it. NONE, it's called script.
What do you think script is made up of, bratwurst?

Your signature is script.

The Hebrew language had no letters. God's Name was in the form of the tetragram. Some referred to the script as characters not letters.

God has One Name (יהוה)... spelled different in every language. How Many Names Does God Have? (https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/names-of-god/)

Ezekiel 39:7

I will make my holy name known among my people Israel, and I will not allow my holy name to be profaned any longer; and the nations will have to know that I am Jehovah, the Holy One in Israel.’

Your comment about the Hebrew language still makes no sense. I cannot take you seriously while you keep trying to tell me that the language I have studied for 40 years, have an advanced degree in, and sometimes think in when I'm on the edge of sleep, has no letters, yet it had a script. That does not make sense. I don't know where you got some kind of distinction between letters and characters, but that frankly makes me laugh.

Hebrew had, and still has, 22 letters. And nobody knows how to pronounce the tetragram, but it really doesn't matter. How many times do you see it appear in the New Testament?

I still call him Daddy. I love it when He just wraps His arms around me and holds me. Like a daddy.

Many scriptures from the New Testament were quotes from the Old Testament that had the Hebrew Tetragram in them, even Jesus quoted some of them. God's name was in the New Testament 297 times. It was replaced with LORD then Lord in the last century so one would need to read the entire context to see if the scripture was talking about Jehovah or Jesus. I'll show you an example.

“I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” (Rev 1:8)

Members of Christendom proclaim this is talking about Jesus but Jesus is not the Almighty. A closer look at this scripture is that the Name of Jesus is absent. SO who is this scripture talking about? "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the LORD (God Jehovah Isa 44:6; Gen 17:1; Exo 6:3 ), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty." (Rev 1:8) Jehovah God was removed and a deceptive Lord was inserted which at one time was LORD. A deception that came about in the last century. http://brotherrando.webstarts.com/contact.html

Several things to note. The LORD is capitalized and "God" was also removed from the scripture to convey a lie. Also the scriptures is taken from the Old Testament. "And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name Jehovah was I not known to them. (Luk 20:37; Rev 1:8; Rev 4:8; Rev 11:17; Rev 15:3 ) Exodus 6:3

Jehovah in the New Testament 297 References With Jesus' Testimony in Red Letters http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/scripturalbasis.htm

Brother Rando, do/did you have a mother and father?

"It was replaced with LORD then Lord in the last century"

Evidence? Every Greek manuscript we have uses KURIOS, "lord," in those passages. Nothing was ever "replaced." If you have evidence to the contrary, how about letting us see it?

"Every Greek manuscript we have uses KURIOS, "lord," in those passages."

Yes, Kurios is the greek word used for Lord and LORD. Let's look at a few scriptures. (Romans 10:13) "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD, (Jehovah Jol 2:31,32 (http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/OT29JOL02.htm#C2V31) 2Ti 2:19 (http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/NT552TI02.htm#C2V19)) shall be saved. This New Testament scripture was a quotation from the Old Testament. Notice LORD not Lord. Lord came in later translations trying to confuse the reader of whom the scripture was talking about.

(Joel 2:32) "And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of Jehovah shall be delivered: for in mount Zion and in Jerusalem shall be deliverance, as Jehovah hath said, and in the remnant whom Jehovah shall call." (Act 2:20,21,39; (http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/NT44ACT02.htm#C2V20) Rom 10:13; (http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/NT45ROM10.htm#C10V13) 2Pe 3:10 (http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/NT612PE03.htm#C3V10)) AS you can see this Old Testament scripture was quoted in the New Testament several times but God's Name was removed.

Yes, Kurios is the greek word used for Lord and LORD.
What's the difference?

LORD refers to Jehovah and Lord refers to Jesus. "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit you at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool." (Psalms 110:1)

Lord is simply a title not a Name. In the removal of God's Name, translators also removed the name of prophets and inserted a different name.

Case and Point. Isaiah when translated means 'Salvation of Jehovah' and thus Isaiah was changed to Esaias in the Greek New Testament. This was done by a devious design to mislead the reader.

(Romans 10:16 KJV) "But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, LORD, (Jehovah Isaiah 53:1 (http://www.dnkjb.net/1189chapters/OT23ISA53.htm#C53V1) ) who hath believed our report?"

1. If you look at Romans 10:13 in context, "the Lord" refers to Jesus. Paul is equating Jesus with Yahweh (Jehovah is a word that never existed and is thus meaningless). So if it's referring to Yahweh, then Jesus and Yahweh are one.

2. "Isaiah" was "changed" to Esaias because of the way the Greek language works. There are structures and sounds in Hebrew that didn't exist in Greek so they had to do the best they can.

3. Languages do this all the time and always have. "John" comes from two different Hebrew roots, Yonatan and yehonatan. Greek doesn't have a way to put an "h" sound in the middle of a word, and they have their own ways of ending words, so it came out Ioannes. That passed into Latin, and from there it spread thus:
Spanish: Juan
French: Jean
English: John or Jon
German: Johann
Russian: Ivan

All the same name. Just adapted to the way different languages operate. It's the same with names etc. from the Old Testament. Your idea about names being "changed" does not stand up to scrutiny.

You realize that the 'J' wasn't in the Greek Scriptures either. So it's quite interesting you used 'John' when it wasn't in the New Testament of the Greek Scriptures. Care to explain your hypocrisy?

Let me point it out to the Forum for you:
"John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me." (John 1:15)

Now let's look at the Greek:
Strong's Concordance

Ióannés: John, the name of several Israelites
Original Word: Ἰωάννης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: Ióannés
Phonetic Spelling: (ee-o-an'-nace)
Short Definition: John
Definition: John: the Baptist, the apostle, a member of the Sanhedrin, or John Mark.

So if I wanted to be hypocritical such as yourself, I could say there is No Jehovah or Jesus in all the scripture and yet be telling the truth. It's when Hebrew and Greek are TRANSLITERATED into ENGLISH we use OUR ALPHABET.

If you want to push your false narrative, please do it in the Hebrew or Greek Script from now on and stop using the letter "j" in all your responses.

"Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:10)

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If you want to push your false narrative, please do it in the Hebrew or Greek Script from now on and stop using the letter "j" in all your responses.

TROLL SUPREME IGNORE!!

"You realize that the 'J' wasn't in the Greek Scriptures either. So it's quite interesting you used 'John' when it wasn't in the New Testament of the Greek Scriptures. Care to explain your hypocrisy?"

I use "John" in English. That's how it came down to us. Again, same name, different language. I get the feeling you didn't pay any real attention to what I wrote, just glommed onto one thing, and made a mess. So not only do you consistently take the Scriptures out of context, you do the same thing with my words.

I do believe I'm done with you. Fire back as you wish, I won't be looking. I'm through with this thread.

Just pointing out the religious hypocrisy. When a person claims we can't use God's Name with the "J" then that argument should be used for ALL LETTERS of our English Alphabet, since the Hebrew Language had no letters in to begin with. That was my point. The Hebrew Tetragrammaton was both in Hebrew and Greek. The Jews didn't want to transliterate the Name of God into a different language, so they left the Hebrew Tetagamation 'as is' amidst other language such as Greek. Look at the Greek Septuagint (https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/study-bible/appendix-c/divine-name-new-testament/).

Anyway, we have more in common than indifference...

Just pointing out the religious hypocrisy. When a person claims we can't use God's Name with the "J"
That's NOT what dwashbur said. And there's only one religious hypocrite in this thread, and that's the one who can't read, who doesn't make an effort to understand what is written, and who takes words out of context.

Trinitarians worship a trinity with no names, that's the basis of the trinity, it pushes a false doctrine. "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those not acknowledging Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." (2 John 7)

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"Trinitarians worship a trinity with no names, that's the basis of the trinity,"

I have no idea what this statement means.

Me either, but I do know that in a relationship with a God that you understand everybody else's name for God is a moot point, and matters not, and that includes the names the ancient assigned.

What matters is how the individual addresses his higher power.

"There was also born to Seth a son, and he named him Eʹnosh. At that time people began calling on the name of Jehovah." (Genesis 4:26)


"So the abuser of Jehovah’s name should be put to death without fail. The entire assembly should stone him without fail. The foreign resident should be put to death the same as the native for his abusing the Name." (Leviticus 24:16)

Who would want to Hide God's Name? (https://jehovahwitnessqhub.wordpress.com/2017/07/11/who-would-want-to-hide-gods-name/)

"There was also born to Seth a son, and he named him Eʹnosh. At that time people began calling on the name of Jehovah." (Genesis 1:26)
Check your Bible reference. That's not the verse at Genesis 1:26.

Genesis 1 is part of the Creation story.

Thx... got it. (Genesis 4:26) If you look at other scriptures that removed God's Name... LORD with all capital letters was inserted.

If you look at other scriptures that removed God's Name... LORD with all capital letters was inserted.
In which version?

(Genesis 4:26) Translations:

New International Version (http://biblehub.com/niv/genesis/4.htm)
Seth also had a son, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of the LORD.

New Living Translation (http://biblehub.com/nlt/genesis/4.htm)
When Seth grew up, he had a son and named him Enosh. At that time people first began to worship the LORD by name.

English Standard Version (http://biblehub.com/esv/genesis/4.htm)
To Seth also a son was born, and he called his name Enosh. At that time people began to call upon the name of the LORD.

New American Standard Bible (http://biblehub.com/nasb/genesis/4.htm)
To Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

King James Bible (http://biblehub.com/kjv/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Holman Christian Standard Bible (http://biblehub.com/hcsb/genesis/4.htm)
A son was born to Seth also, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to call on the name of Yahweh.

International Standard Version (http://biblehub.com/isv/genesis/4.htm)
Seth also fathered a son, whom he named Enosh. At that time, profaning the name of the LORD began.

NET Bible (http://biblehub.com/net/genesis/4.htm)
And a son was also born to Seth, whom he named Enosh. At that time people began to worship the LORD.

New Heart English Bible (http://biblehub.com/nheb/genesis/4.htm)
There was also born a son to Seth, and he named him Enosh. This one began to call on the LORD's name.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (http://biblehub.com/gwt/genesis/4.htm)
A son was also born to Seth, and he named him Enosh. At that time people began to worship the LORD.

JPS Tanakh 1917 (http://biblehub.com/jps/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh; then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

New American Standard 1977 (http://biblehub.com/nasb77/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also a son was born; and he called his name Enosh. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

Jubilee Bible 2000 (http://biblehub.com/jub/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos. Then men began to call upon the name of the LORD.

King James 2000 Bible (http://biblehub.com/kj2000/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

American King James Version (http://biblehub.com/akjv/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call on the name of the LORD.

American Standard Version (http://biblehub.com/asv/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh. Then began men to call upon the name of Jehovah.


Darby Bible Translation (http://biblehub.com/dbt/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also was born a son; and he called his name Enosh. Then people began to call on the name of Jehovah.

English Revised Version (http://biblehub.com/erv/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enosh: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

Webster's Bible Translation (http://biblehub.com/wbt/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

World English Bible (http://biblehub.com/web/genesis/4.htm)
There was also born a son to Seth, and he named him Enosh. Then men began to call on Yahweh's name.

Young's Literal Translation (http://biblehub.com/ylt/genesis/4.htm)
And to Seth, to him also a son hath been born, and he calleth his name Enos; then a beginning was made of preaching in the name of Jehovah.

Only the Catholic renditions removed the Name, replaced it with LORD, then later on Lord to carry on their deception

Douay-Rheims Bible (http://biblehub.com/drb/genesis/4.htm)
But to Seth also was born a son, whom he called Enos; this man began to call upon the name of the Lord.

No wonder you're a NUT! You try to nitpick every nuance of ancient man's regional/tribal linguistics and find fault with it. Maybe the fault is yours for losing sight of required personal relationship between God and the flawed humans who seek his guidance.

Who made you dictator of the word, and judge of your fellows? Is that how you honor your God with your gratitude? Is it asking too much to temper your zeal with empathy and understanding? Can you not recognize the relevance of the now, or are you stuck in the past?

A relationship with a book written by ancient man is a poor substitute for knowing the TRUE Creator.

No wonder you're a NUT! You try to nitpick every nuance of ancient man's regional/tribal linguistics and find fault with it. Maybe the fault is yours for losing sight of required personal relationship between God and the flawed humans who seek his guidance.

Who made you dictator of the word, and judge of your fellows? Is that how you honor your God with your gratitude? Is it asking too much to temper your zeal with empathy and understanding? Can you not recognize the relevance of the now, or are you stuck in the past?

A relationship with a book written by ancient man is a poor substitute for knowing the TRUE Creator.
Oh, my! I'm in love!!!!! 10,000 greenies to Tal! -- and even more than that!

The Catholics certainly knew of God's Name Jehovah, they even had the Name on their Buildings.

Jehovah (Yahweh) - Encyclopedia Volume - Catholic Encyclopedia - Catholic Online (http://www.catholic.org/encyclopedia/view.php?id=6291)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah

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Micah 6:8 He hath shown thee, O man, what is good: and what doth the Lord require of thee but to do justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?

WG 15:6 Stop nitpicking over God's name, and instead show love to each other.

"The Catholics certainly knew of God's Name Jehovah, they even had the Name on their Buildings."

Did you happen to read the part about how we don't know how it was pronounced? Did you happen to read the part that explains why "Jehovah" isn't a real word, but an artificial construct in the Hebrew manuscripts that some people misunderstood? Did you happen to read the part where it indicates your whole hobby-horse over a name is chasing after the wind?

English translations put LORD as its translation, not to suppress it. That is a foolish suggestion, because nobody had or has any reason to. "Jehovah" is a fake word with no meaning. LORD conveys respect and indicates that it's something worthy of note. If you can't see that then you're not looking.

Jesus prayed, “Our Father hallowed be your Name” (Matthew 6:9) “I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him.” (Exodus 23:20-21)

Jesus when translated means ‘Jehovah is Salvation‘

Not to the rest of the Christian world... only to the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Correct, others reject the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus addressed his Father in Prayer in John 17:1 and states to his Father that he's the only true God in (John 17:3).

"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

When Jesus closed in Prayer he stated, "Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me.  I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” (John 17:25-26)

"Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 9)

Trinitarians who call themselves Christians are telling an untruth, the trinity is not even in the Bible. God is a Spirit not a three person formula.

"God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)

others reject the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Who does?

Correct, others reject the teachings of Jesus Christ. Jesus addressed his Father in Prayer in John 17:1 and states to his Father that he's the only true God in (John 17:3).

"Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

When Jesus closed in Prayer he stated, "Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me.  I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.” (John 17:25-26)

"Everyone who pushes ahead and does not remain in the teaching of the Christ does not have God. The one who does remain in this teaching is the one who has both the Father and the Son." (2 John 9)

Trinitarians who call themselves Christians are telling an untruth, the trinity is not even in the Bible. God is a Spirit not a three person formula.

"God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.” (John 4:24)

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23)

Dude.. You need to look in the Mirror... The JW are the BIGGEST offenders of that among those who are ANY part of the Christian Faith. And the fact you pull that garbage out only proves it.

But you can be smug and think otherwise....you might be in for one heck of a shock when YOU have to answer to St Peter.....I don't even claim to be a religious scholar..and you are so far off target on so many things, like other JW...its really not even funny.

To save me time writing this I cut and pasted it...

The words arrogance, arrogant, proud, and haughty are mentioned over 200 times in the NIV Bible. And in practically every occurrence, it is a behavior or attitude detested by God. The Bible tells us those who are arrogant and have a haughty heart are an abomination to Him: “Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord; be assured, he will not go unpunished” (Proverbs 16:5 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Prov%2016.5)). Of the seven things the Bible tells us that God hates, “haughty eyes” [“a proud look,” NKJV] is the first one listed (Proverbs 6:16-19 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Prov%206.16-19)). Jesus Himself said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him,” and then goes on to list the thirteen characteristics of those who are outside of God’s favor, with arrogance being considered alongside sexual immorality and murder (Mark 7:20-23 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Mark%207.20-23)).

There are two Greek forms of the word arrogance used in the New Testament, essentially meaning the same. Huperogkos means “swelling” or “extravagant” as used in “arrogant words” (2 Peter 2:18 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Pet%202.18); Jude 1:16 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Jude%201.16)). The other is phusiosis, meaning a “puffing up of the soul” or “loftiness, pride” (2 Corinthians 12:20 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Cor%2012.20)). It is incumbent upon believers to recognize that being arrogant or having a pompous attitude is antithetical to godliness (2 Peter 1:5-7 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Pet%201.5-7)). Arrogance is nothing more than an overt display of one’s sense of self-importance (2 Timothy 3:2 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/2%20Tim%203.2)). It is akin to that “it’s all about me” mindset that says, “The world revolves around me” (Proverbs 21:24 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Prov%2021.24)).

Instead of arrogance, the Bible teaches us the opposite. In writing to the church in Corinth, Paul describes the love. Of the many facets of God’s love, arrogance is the reverse: “Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant” (1 Corinthians 13:4 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Cor%2013.4); cf. Romans 12:3 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Rom%2012.3)). Being boastful and having that “I’m better than you” attitude reeks of intimidation and destroys our relationships with others. However, Jesus taught us to put others before self: “But whoever would be great among you must be your servant, and whoever would be first among you must be slave of all. For even the Son of Man came not to be served but to serve, and to give His life as a ransom for many” (Mark 10:43-45 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Mark%2010.43-45)).

The apostle Paul echoed these same sentiments in his letter to the church in Philippi: “Do nothing from rivalry or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves” (Philippians 2:3 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Phil%202.3)). This is a vast contrast from the “dog-eat-dog,” competitive nature of our world today. The Christian’s behavior towards others should imitate that of Christ who taught us to wash one another’s feet (John 13:14 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/John%2013.14)). Where the world pushes us to strive to reach the top and says that “he who has the most toys wins,” Jesus commands us to be different: “For everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted” (Luke 14:1 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Luke%2014.1); cf. James 4:6 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/James%204.6)).

Regarding our attitudes towards God and our fellow-man, God gives us two promises. First, that the arrogant will be punished (Proverbs 16:5 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Prov%2016.5); Isaiah 13:11 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Isa%2013.11)), and, second, “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 5:3 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Matt%205.3)). For, in truth, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble” (1 Peter 5:5 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/1%20Pet%205.5); cf. Proverbs 3:34 (https://biblia.com/bible/esv/Prov%203.34)).

"Jesus prayed, “Our Father hallowed be your Name” (Matthew 6:9) "

Correct. He did pray that. And at the time He prayed it, nobody knew how to pronounce it. He's not talking about a literal four-letter name, He's talking about God's presence and majesty and authority. This is why we pray "In Jesus' name." What does that mean? It means "We invoke Jesus' authority to affirm what we pray."

Again, Jesus said that. But nobody knew how to pronounce YHWH by that time. They substituted "hashem" which means "the name."

And again, "Jehovah" is a word that never existed. The very name of your religion is based on something false. You might want to think about that.

Jesus knew his Father's Name and how to pronounce claiming the opposite is what False religion claims, those who deny the Father and the Son. These ones are False Christians, Apostates of Christendom.

Jesus when translated means 'Jehovah is Salvation'. YHWH is a latinized version of the Tetragrammaton. Jesus Christ encouraged the use of God’s name.—Read Matthew 6:9; (https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/matthew/6/#v40006009) John 17:26 (https://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/nwt/books/john/17/#v43017026).

Only apostates who continue to fight the claim that God's name is God or LORD. But it's a battle you are losing. The Great Tribulation is spiritual one, for such ones who treat Jehovah's Name with hypocrisy is being exposed today.

"Then, indeed, the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will do away with by the spirit of his mouth and bring to nothing by the manifestation of his presence." (2 Thessalonians 2:8)

Those counted wicked holler and scream because they hate the Good News. But removing the wicked is good news. Guess it depends which side you're on?

Instructions to survive the Great Tribulation the 'wicked' have no understanding (Daniel 12:10): Let go of anger and abandon rage; Do not become upset and turn to doing evil.  For evil men will be done away with, But those hoping in Jehovah will possess the earth." (Psalm 37:8-9)

"Just a little while longer, and the wicked will be no more; You will look at where they were, And they will not be there." (Psalm 37:10)

Today, the wicked are dying off, they are entering into the symbolic lake of fire in the sense of being destroyed, there is were their weeping and gnashing of teeth.

We'll be fine. Doncha know -- Jehovah's Witnesses believe that only 144,000 'spiritual Israelites' go to heaven. The 144,000 is also referred to as the 'little flock'. Everyone else will either survive the end of the world, (i.e. armageddon) or die before armageddon and be resurrected to life on a paradise earth with a new physical body.

I'll be glad to discuss the "Body of Christ" who become Kings and Priests over the earth. It's not the earth that will be destroyed but 'wicked mankind' that will be removed from the earth by dying the second death which is symbolism for everlasting destruction by everlasting death, they are never resurrected.

But let's stay on topic. If you want to deny that Jesus means 'Jehovah is Salvation' then that's on you, it's part of the separation work. "I and the Father are one." (John 10:30) "I have given them the glory that you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are one." (John 17:22)

Just like when a couple gets married, "the two become one flesh". It's not literal as false religion claims, rather, it's figurative speech. They become one in purpose. "So he has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs." (Hebrews 1:4)

Now, if "Jesus is God" as you claim, however, the Bible doesn't, nor will you find that phrase in the trinity. The trinity omits Jesus Christ from its doctrine. So if Jesus is God then Jesus and God would be interchangeable.

So let's try it. If Jesus is God then, can we conclude that God "has become better than the angels to the extent that he has inherited a name more excellent than theirs"?


Jesus prayed, “Our Father hallowed be your Name” (Matthew 6:9) “I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you on the way and to bring you into the place that I have prepared.  Pay attention to him, and obey his voice. Do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgressions, because my name is in him.” (Exodus 23:20-21)

Jesus when translated means ‘Jehovah is Salvation‘ (http://jehovahwitness.qhub.com/member/128577)

So what? Who are you to get between the relationship between anyone and the God that they understand? Why are you putting a bible between YOU and the God YOU understand?

"But as for the cowards and those without faith and those who are disgusting in their filth and murderers and the sexually immoral and those practicing spiritism and idolaters and all the liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This means the second death.” (Rev 21:8)

The Good News is a separation work. Then he said: “Go, Daniel, because the words are to be kept secret and sealed up until the time of the end.  Many will cleanse themselves and whiten themselves and will be refined. And the wicked ones will act wickedly, and none of the wicked will understand; but those having insight will understand." (Daniel 12:9-10)

Some here are dying the second death so they weep and gnash their teeth against the good news of God's Kingdom. Claiming God's Name should not be in the Bible... brotherrando (http://brotherrando.webstarts.com/contact.html)

Question: Who is the one person that would not want God's Name to be made known?

"So what? Who are you to get between the relationship between anyone and the God that they understand? Why are you putting a bible between YOU and the God YOU understand?"

Can't answer a simple question? If quoting others is your claim to fame that's okay too!

Because Religion pushes their 'Unknown God". However, Jesus made known his Father Name. (John 17:6) and even prayed that His Father's Name be Sanctified. (Matthew 6:9)

Misconceptions about God’s name in the Bible

Misconception: Translations that use “Jehovah” have added this name.

Fact: The Hebrew word for God’s name in the form of the Tetragrammaton appears some 7,000 times in the Bible. * (https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/who-is-jehovah/#footnote4)Most translations arbitrarily remove God’s name and replace it with a title such as “Lord.”


https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/who-is-jehovah/

Semantical difference is common among humans. Followers know whom they follow.

Semantical difference is common among humans. Followers know whom they follow.

Semantical difference was inserted in the Bible by removing God's Name and inserting LORD then Christendom added even more Semantical difference by switching LORD to Lord. I asked people from the house to house ministry and most people claim God's Name is God. That Semantical difference is because they don't know which God they worship. Jesus said the same thing.

Are you going to claim that the Messiah has no name? Jehovah Witnesses worship the same God that Jesus worships. "You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews." (John 4:22)

Jesus said to her: “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father." (John 4:21) What happened to the "Our Father " prayer? Why do so many claim the words of Jesus Christ are meaningless? Notice this prophecy came true. Even you proclaim it's a Semantical difference. It's this difference that specifies the difference between true worshippers from false ones. "Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23) The gathering of a people out of all the nations for God's Name is now coming to its completion! (Acts 15:14 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/acts/15#v-14))

The Last Days that began in 1914 are now coming to their end. When Armageddon is about to begin, the son of man's presence is finally revealed to wicked mankind, and "all the peoples of the earth will have to see that Jehovah's name has been called upon you, and they will indeed be afraid of you." (Deut 28:10 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/deuteronomy/28#v-10))

"then the sign of the Son of man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will beat themselves in lamentation" (Matthew 24:30 (http://www.jw.org/en/publications/bible/matthew/24#v-30))

You are so focused on using the "right" name for God that you've lost sight of the Gospel message.

If you believe in one God, then no matter your language, region, or tribe, is it not the same God as ALL who believe in ONE God? Even ancient man with his limited knowledge had many different Gods, but what if he gave parts of the same god different names? Would it not be the same God?

He was doing the best he could with what he had to work with at the time. Faith does not require truth just understanding and in time better understanding as more is revealed. No knock on ancient man but God has always been bigger than human imagination. I don't knock you either, my choice not to follow your lead. You are doing your best with what you have.

We ALL do the best we can. If all you know is the words, you miss the TRUE concept of what you preach, since it's the ACTIONS the words evoke that start us on the path to understanding. So don't be stuck in the past. You're here NOW. Congregate don't isolate.

Well, now that's something I can agree on. Kudos!

"Only apostates who continue to fight the claim that God's name is God or LORD. But it's a battle you are losing. The Great Tribulation is spiritual one, for such ones who treat Jehovah's Name with hypocrisy is being exposed today. "

I'll ignore the gibberish in the middle and concentrate on the idea that anybody who doesn't use this name, WHICH NEVER EXISTED, then salvation escapes them. But again, nobody knew how to pronounce it in Jesus' time. Jesus may have known, but if He did know during His earthly time - remember, He emptied Himself of his divine nature, Philippians 2, so there's lots of things He didn't know. But if He did know the pronunciation, He didn't tell anybody. So that point is meaningless.

"Y'shua" does indeed mean "YHWH is Salvation." It's the Aramaic form of Joshua. So what? That doesn't tell us anything about how to pronounce the name. People have tried to extract pronunciation out of proper names like that before, and it's a fool's errand. Give it up, because much better scholars than you haven't been able to make it work.

As for God's name, I go with Paul and call Him Daddy, which is what "abba" means.

The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship.[fn] And by him we cry, “Abba,[fn] Father.” Rom 8:15

You are so focused on using the "right" name for God that you've lost sight of the Gospel message.

A simple truth that speaks for itself in a profound way!

THANKS!

I used to be a Catholic, and I know how we used to say the same words over and over again. I was watching a News Channel in how Satanists do the same thing, it's called 'chanting'. I was thinking, what makes me different from them? We say the Lord's Prayer over and over, but I came across a scripture that states, to 'be a doer of the word not a hearer only.'

Then praying all those prayers. It's was endless. Like the Rosary, the muslims and the Hindi have prayer beads also but I couldn't find them in the scripture. When I was in grade school, I remember talking with this girl I had a crush on. She refused to let me take her to a movie. I couldn't figure out why so I asked her. Said she it was because of my religion. Me being a Catholic I was proud of it but what she said, really got me thinking. She said, Lutherans don't pray to Mary because she's not the Mother Of God. Do you think God needs a Mother? Yada yada yada... I sort of tuned her out then she said at least we don't worship idols. I was telling her those are just images, it's a representative. What's the ten commandments say about bowing to idols? So I was thinking boy!

So when researching, I noticed the Catholic Church goes by traditions and Church doctrines that aren't in the Bible. For instance, we believed in the trinity, but can't point to a scripture about it. The phrase that 'three persons make up one God' is absent.

When I looked up idol, I was amazed to find the definition of it.

I·dol
ˈīdl/Submit
Noun
an image or representation of a god used as an object of worship.
Synonyms: icon, representation of a god, image, effigy, statue, figure, figurine, fetish, totem; graven image, false god, golden calf
"a throng of men gathered in worship of a golden idol"

I remember bringing the Bible to CCD and asked the nun if we can look at the Bible. She said maybe another time, today we going to study the stations of the cross. I began to see how they indoctrinated people to worship idols. I also remember the girl I liked, told me having Jesus on the Cross was a graven image.

So here's a few scriptures. I'm sure you know them.
"You must not make for yourself a carved image or a form like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth." (Exodus 20:4) That covers pretty much everything doesn't it?

I was thinking surely Jesus must have taught something about this. If we can't use carved images like anything that is in the heavens above or on the earth below or in the waters under the earth. When I quote the words of Jesus, even on this forum, most reject them, I'm guessing they simply don't even know the 10 Commandments?

Here's the teaching of Jesus that is basically rejected by the whole world including religion. "God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth." (John 4:24) Simple, straight forward. The scriptures tell us that there is no deceit found in the mouth of Jesus Christ.

"Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him." (John 4:23) Here's Jesus telling the Samaritan Woman that the Father is LOOKING for such ones. I knew in an instance, that's ME! I'll worship the Father with spirit and truth.

Then Jesus identifies himself to the woman. "The woman said to him: “I know that Messiah is coming, who is called Christ. Whenever that one comes, he will declare all things to us openly.”  Jesus said to her: “I am he, the one speaking to you." (John 4:25-26)

If a person doesn't receive the words of Christ, or argues against them, they don't meet the MO Jesus gave. When I found Jesus, I knew that Someone brought ME to HIM. I don't care what others say about me, but my heart aches when they lie about my Lord and Savior. "Certainly if after escaping from the defilements of the world by an accurate knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they get involved again with these very things and are overcome, their final state has become worse for them than the first." (2 Peter 2:20) So I left the former things behind.

Names are important don't you think? Here's another scripture about how we get to know Jesus. "In response Jesus said to them: “Stop murmuring among yourselves.  No man can come to me unless the Father, who sent me, draws him, and I will resurrect him on the last day.  It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by Jehovah.’ Everyone who has listened to the Father and has learned comes to me.  Not that any man has seen the Father, except the one who is from God; this one has seen the Father.  Most truly I say to you, whoever believes has everlasting life." (John 6:43-47)

I don't see anywhere in the scriptures that supports the JW perspective of things anywhere... I see where they clearly misread and misinterpret them, but nothing that supports their rather strange perspective.

The Mennonites perspective makes more sense than the JW does and there is less than zero chance of either convincing me their way is right (even the Mormons don't twist things nearly as much)... and I was raised Methodist... though I walked away from them when they got into their recent Political Correctness BS.

I think its VERY arrogant to be so narrow minded to bash every single OTHER perspective than your own... and insist YOUR way is the ONLY way... and infer that every other Christian is no different or better than practitioners of any OTHER religion... or those who believe in none, because despite your insistence to the contrary... there rest of us here are at lease fluent in English as Native speakers... and some of us are fluent in multiple other languages and as such WE are even more aware of nuances in the language.

We also have read these and for the most part.. NONE of us interpret them they way you do.

But you are free to worship the Easter bunny if you wish... being a protestant I believe you answer ONLY to St Peter upon your death for your lifes actions, unlike the Catholics were you essentially get a get out of jail free card by admitting to them while you are still alive...

Get it REALLY wrong... then its all on you...

She said, Lutherans don't pray to Mary because she's not the Mother Of God. Do you think God needs a Mother?
This girl is totally, totally incorrect. That is NOT why Lutherans don't pray to Mary. And yes, Mary was Jesus' mother.

Judging from the rest of your post, I see that you've picked up and absorbed all sorts of incorrect thinking about various religious groups.

For thousands of years, Satan has been bringing dishonor and disdain to God’s Holy Name. Matter of fact, most Bible Translations have deleted, defaced, and removed God’s Name from scripture.

How does (Psalm 83:18 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-83-18/)) read in your Bible?

Satan is very Religious and uses religion to delete, deface, and remove God’s Name from scripture.

After this I saw another angel descending from heaven with great authority, and the earth was illuminated by his glory.  And he cried out with a strong voice, saying: “She has fallen! Babylon the Great has fallen, and she has become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks!" (Rev 18:1-2)

There is no difference from Christendom and Satanism, both are false and are sects of Babylon the Great. God's People were in bondage but soon that invitation to get out her will grow silent. "And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people, if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues." (Rev 18:4)


Symʹe·on has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations to take out of them a people for his Name." (Acts 15:14)

There is no difference from Christendom and Satanism, both are false and are sects of Babylon the Great.

The same could be said of Jehovahs Witnesses. What else would you say of a sect that pops up after the Civil War?

You want to know something? When I show a Religious person, that Jesus is "the Christ, the son of the living God." (Matthew 16:16) People howl and get upset. Especially those who claim to be Christians. You would think they would welcome a scripture that is a Bible Principle.

A Bible Principle is a statement of truth that doesn't change with the passing of time or circumstance. The truth never changes, it's the revealing of it that is progressive. That one simple scripture is so packed with truth. Most act in an abrupt response.

"For the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints from the marrow, and is able to discern thoughts and intentions of the heart."

Even though many don't believe me, sharing the good news separates one person from another and this work is coming to its conclusion, it's not me they are denying, it's the words of Christ.

"And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14)

Another teaching from Jesus Christ... What does (Matthew 6:9) mean to you?

Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." (John 14:6)

Now I'm not applying this to you, but it can be applied to the many who reject (Matthew 16:16) and as you will see, everything comes full circle. "Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22)

I have no idea what you just said. Skip the gibberish and please reduce your posts to the "meat" minus all the "gristle."

I have no idea what you just said. Skip the gibberish and please reduce your posts to the "meat" minus all the "gristle."I honestly believe he has no clue what any of it actually means.

I honestly believe he has no clue what any of it actually means.
Copying/pasting from JW sites.

Copying/pasting from JW sites.Exactly. No ryhme or reason to it so he clearly doesn't understand any of it. Since most of it clearly has the OPPOSITE meaning from what he thinks.

The Bible wasn't written by Lawyers.

Copying/pasting from JW sites.

Spamming, or Trolling?

What are the JW sites out of interest, I couldn't be bothered to read all of the posts so apology if it has been described earlier in the thread

Here is some background to this splinter group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Taze_Russell

Not unusual for humans to leave one "church" and form their own. The good news is you can choose the shepherd you follow, but don't have to follow him blindly! Then you are truly just a sheep! History is full of examples of sheep who follow a FALSE prophet, some have NO CHOICE. They seek a shepherd to lead them from the malaise they find themselves in. They are powerless within the environment and dependent on anyone with power with no regard for where they are led.

Understandable they place another human on a pedestal and follow blindly, since it's easier than having a personal relationship with a God that they understand. The price for rejecting such shepherds is very high and many cannot make that choice because SURVIVAL takes precedent over spiritual thriving in the face of a hopeless situation.

Did not BroRando admit that his actions brought him peace of mind? I think we all strive for that. How we get there is the very definition of individual life journey. It's much easier to copy and paste someone else's words than find and express your own.

"How does (Psalm 83:18 (https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Psalms-83-18/)) read in your Bible?

Who cares? They're translations. How about you explain Psalm 68:4 to me? Because that's also how it reads in Hebrew.