View Full Version : Trump Being Presidential or Being Thuggish?
Athos
May 12, 2017, 11:25 PM
After changing his tune and admitting that he fired Comey because of the FBI investigation into the Russian connection, he performed true to form acting like the New York street thug he is and always has been.
Embarrassing the whole country (and much of the free world) he threatened ex-FBI Director Comey in a bizarre tweet that suggested Trump recorded conversations between himself and Comey, and then further threatened unstated dire consequences should Comey reveal what actually went on during their meeting.
Is this the President of the United States or The Godfather?
When will the Republican leadership finally act to remove this madman from office?
paraclete
May 13, 2017, 06:23 AM
Trump Being Presidential or Being Thuggish?
Is this the President of the United States or The Godfather?
When will the Republican leadership finally act to remove this madman from office?
Is there a difference?
tomder55
May 13, 2017, 10:28 AM
You are attributing too much to him. Think of him as the gardener who leaves the rake fork side up and then steps on it .
talaniman
May 13, 2017, 02:57 PM
More like a bully, who steamrolled the repubs. Then he steamrolls the press and the judiciary. Now he is steam rolling the intelligence community, and the very institutions of the government. He's just getting started.
tomder55
May 14, 2017, 12:50 AM
Bully? His executive orders have been overruled by the lower courts .
As for the press....well let's say up front that I'm not a fan of the term fake news '. That being said ....the press can't be more hopelessly wrong in it's reporting over the Comey firing .
The Compost reported that Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein had “threatened to resign after the narrative emerging from the White House on Tuesday evening cast him as a prime mover of the decision to fire Comey.” That was false . He denied the report .The Compost made no retraction or correction.
The Slimes reported that Comey asked the Justice Department’s Rosenstein for more funding and personnel for the Russia intelligence probe. That was confirmed false by FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe.““We don’t typically request resources for an individual case.”
Instead he told Congress that nothing ;from resources to political pressure , was interfering in the Russia probe. The Slimes did not retract .
Jeffrey Toobin at CNN said the Comey firing was an abuse of power when a President was under investigation. But it has been repeatedly confirmed that Trump is not under investigation.Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Charles Grassley,said that “I heard nothing that contradicted the president’s statement." That was seconded by Sen. Dianne Feinstein who told Grassley “I very much appreciated what you’ve said .And it’s very accurate."
So who's being the bully ? Yes Trump was annoyed that he was rightly called out about conflicting narratives over why Comey was fired . That's just indicative of undisciplined messaging in the White House ,much like the stepping on the garden rake that I compared it to.
Trump needs to realize that all these distractions takes him further away from his agenda goals . His fault is being obsessed with this phony Russian connection that more and more sounds like the Dem's version of 'birther'. He should concentrate on getting his agenda enacted and stop worrying about the feces throwing monkeys .
paraclete
May 14, 2017, 03:15 AM
Tom, why are you defending him? His behaviour is that of a bully, shout loudly, intimidate
talaniman
May 14, 2017, 03:48 AM
Wonder why he is so obsessed with this phony Russia stuff when he has so many things he needs to do? Hmm, well lets find out! Forget Herr Donald anyway and look at Mitch and the boys a bit closer. That's were the REAL monkeys are throwing crap!
The Donald doesn't care if the lame stream media covers his fake news, he is an attention hog, insecure and needy. He's making money for his "family" while Mitch is cooking up a plan to take MO' Money out of our pockets, and into the REAL people who deserve it. The hard working 1% of job creators and policy makers.
Bet you will gladly take your HUSH money and let 'em do it! You did before when Bush did it! Nothing has changed with repubs since Bush. Same plan different man. How'd that work out for us before?
tomder55
May 14, 2017, 01:50 PM
oh yeah clete ...he sure is intimidating ....geesh . He is close to completely losing control of his own administration .He's not bullying anyone .
paraclete
May 14, 2017, 03:08 PM
Tom, of course he is, but he isn't succeeding, unless you are employed by him
talaniman
May 15, 2017, 07:39 AM
The whole point is staying out of Trump's way to see what the mid terms look like.
http://www.nationalmemo.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/danzcolorplus8329-668x501.jpg
paraclete
May 15, 2017, 06:33 PM
He is stupid
DONALD Trump reportedly revealed highly classified information to Russian diplomats during his meeting with them at the White House last week.
The Washington Post reports that Mr Trump jeopardised (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-high_trumpintel-0504pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4b695ce6de8b) a critical source of US intelligence on the Islamic State by disclosing information that hadn’t even been shared with America’s allies.
“The information the President relayed had been provided through an intelligence-sharing arrangement considered so sensitive that details have been withheld from allies and tightly restricted even within the US government,” the paper reports.
The source in question, which is reportedly one of America’s foreign allies, has access to the “inner workings” of ISIS and had provided intelligence on one of the group’s plots. Mr Trump’s decision to share that intel without the ally’s permission could stop it from co-operating in the future.
Wondergirl
May 15, 2017, 06:48 PM
DONALD Trump reportedly revealed highly classified information to Russian diplomats during his meeting with them at the White House last week.Voice overheard in an Oval Office washroom stall, "Tee hee. I know stuff! Bad boy!"
ADDED: David Brooks has the same idea --
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html
talaniman
May 16, 2017, 01:45 AM
They have been playing Trumps own words aimed at Hillary, all night. Now this Dufus has done what he claimed shouldn't be done, while everybody, even repubs are pulling their hair out over this latest fiasco!
Don't worry, by Friday it will be something new that this idiot has screwed up because orange man speak with forked tongue.
paraclete
May 16, 2017, 04:55 AM
orange man speak with forked tongue.
You would hope that is all it is but rangas have a way of proving stupid
tomder55
May 16, 2017, 04:32 PM
He should use the Comey defense of Evita .' I did not 'intend' to reveal classified information.' I would also say that the Compost is owned by Amazon owner Jeff Bezos ,who has had a long running feud with herr Donald . Trump accused him of anti-trust violations and has threatened to use trust law to break up the Amazon monopoly.
I love the left's faux outrage. When the emperor revealed the name of the CIA station chief in Afghanistan all they did was a collective yawn.
Trump has not done his due diligence in sweeping the Obots out of the White House .Until he does ,there will be this steady drip ,drip ,drip of leaks from the Administration. It will be a daunting task . The emperor embedded hundreds of Obama-loyalists in key positions in the security apparatus of the country ;as well as other key executive dept desks .
paraclete
May 16, 2017, 06:19 PM
Tell me Tom, how do you think Dump could clean the swamp when he is living in it and surrounded by Alligators? He can't do due diligence when his advisors are the very people he is hunting. What big teeth you have grandma? He needs to get at least one on side so they can tip him off to the others. He made the mistake of starting on the outskirts with the DAs instead of just kicking out everyone who had been appointed in the past eight years. And it is useless relying on his left leaning son-in-law
The ranga will become more unstable as he realises where he is, already some pictures show he has aged
talaniman
May 17, 2017, 05:33 AM
LOL Tom. You blame Obama loyalists to the Dufus doing a half a$$ed job?
https://www.arcamax.com/newspics/153/15347/1534760.gif
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 07:49 AM
yes I do blame Obots . Swamp creatures and retired swamp creatures demand anonymity from the Amazon Compost in order to discuss a meeting they did not attend. The readers are asked to take the leaked information as biblical truth without knowing the name of the official ,or even if that person holds/held any position of prominence . However you can evaluate the words and veracity of National Security Adviser, Gen. H.R. McMaster. He has spent a career defending the United States ; he was at the meeting,and he’s on the record,
talaniman
May 17, 2017, 07:53 AM
... but he ain't God... Trump is! Even McMaster can be fired by the Orange One.
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 08:42 AM
I'm sure he would depart with dignity and not disclose to anonymous worms that he kept secret notes of conversations with herr Donald.
excon
May 17, 2017, 09:02 AM
kept secret notes of conversations with herr Donald.Hello tom:
In my puny little life, I document stuff.. It's served me well.. When I've had a conversation of some import, I'll write a letter to the person outlining the discussion.. Sometimes people just don't remember the deal they made. My letters serve to remind them..
So, the fact that people much more important than me do the same thing, is reassuring..
If it comes down to Trumps tapes, or Comey's memorandum, Comey WINS.. Cause Trump will NEVER release the tapes.. The tapes, after all, are what brought Nixon down..
excon
Wondergirl
May 17, 2017, 09:15 AM
he kept secret notes of conversations with herr Donald.
This is what professionals do -- doctors, nurses, other medical workers, lawyers, psychotherapists, businesspeople, insurance adjusters, teachers, librarians, and more.
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 09:28 AM
then why was his recall so bad in testimony about Huma Abiden's emails on Weiner's server . He wasn't even close to accurate . Why did he not take notes of Evita's interview with the FBI ?
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 09:48 AM
When herr Donald share intelligence with the Russians it is terrible . When the emperor did ..... all cool .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-offers-to-share-syria-intelligence-on-terrorists-with-russia/2016/06/30/483a2afe-3eec-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html?utm_term=.6ddefb8eb8d8
Wondergirl
May 17, 2017, 09:56 AM
When herr Donald share intelligence with the Russians it is terrible . When the emperor did ..... all cool .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-offers-to-share-syria-intelligence-on-terrorists-with-russia/2016/06/30/483a2afe-3eec-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html?utm_term=.6ddefb8eb8d8
"Moooooommmmm, sure, I took a cookie out of the cookie jar, but Jimmy took THREE!!!!"
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 10:06 AM
Ex and Tal .I'll take the word of McMaster ;who wrote the definitive book about the need for military leaders to stand up to civilian leadership ,over the word of an FBI boss who's motives have been questioned by both parties and who's memory in testimony under oath is questionable and suspect .
Cooking Up a Quagmire (http://www.nytimes.com/books/97/07/20/reviews/970720.20spectot.html)
"Moooooommmmm, sure, I took a cookie out of the cookie jar, but Jimmy took THREE!!!!"
Jimmy took 3 and there was a collective yawn . No one talked of punishment for him.
Wondergirl
May 17, 2017, 10:15 AM
Jimmy took 3 and there was a collective yawn . No one talked of punishment for him.
You must not have kids. Jimmy is innocent. The cookie thief is lying and trying to divert his mother.
talaniman
May 17, 2017, 10:35 AM
When herr Donald share intelligence with the Russians it is terrible . When the emperor did ..... all cool .
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-offers-to-share-syria-intelligence-on-terrorists-with-russia/2016/06/30/483a2afe-3eec-11e6-84e8-1580c7db5275_story.html?utm_term=.6ddefb8eb8d8
By your own article Tom, there were conditions to be met for sharing of information, so what we have is a proposal or negotiation. With Herr Donald that's not what was offered, and McMasters has not elaborated on that, just defended his boss. Now we have Putin offering his transcripts which we wouldn't have to depend on if our own news agencies had been part of the process, like the Russians were.
Surely you can see that something's wrong with a foreign news organization being in OUR HOUSE when the US news organizations are NOT?
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 10:45 AM
Our press is not faithfully objective . As I mentioned earlier . The Compost is owned by Jeff Bezos ,a sworn enemy of Trump.
"In the context of that discussion, what the president discussed with the foreign minister was wholly appropriate to that conversation and is consistent with the routine sharing of information between the president and any leaders with whom he’s engaged" (McMaster)
talaniman
May 17, 2017, 10:54 AM
That's all cool, but do you mind if I see the replay for myself?
"Trust but verify"/KING Ronald Reagan
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 01:19 PM
We're to believe that Comey was so concerned about obstruction of justice that he waited to be fired to leak notes with his suspicions. BTW ,it is a crime itself to not report an obstruction of justice. (18 USC 4 and 28 USC 1361).Comey could face criminal charges and lose his license to practice law. So if we are to believe that herr Donald attempted and obstruction of justice then Comey's smoking gun is pointed right between Comey's eyes.
Let's go with the Comey defense ..... no intent to obstruct justice by either Trump or Comey . James .......where are those 100,000 Huma emails again ?
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 01:54 PM
By your own article Tom, there were conditions to be met for sharing of information, so what we have is a proposal or negotiation
Actually no .We told the Russians and Assad where to presumably hit ISIS .But you know and I know that they rarely target ISIS . Instead Assad has systematically targeted civilian populations in rebel control .Yesterday the State Department released previously classified intelligence assessments regarding the actions of the Syrian regime. It is shocking .
Since 2012, the regime has routinely conducted airstrikes and artillery strikes in dense urban centers, including with barrel bombs, improvised unguided bombs, which are sometimes described as air-dropped IEDs. The Assad regime systemically targeted eastern Aleppo’s hospitals in multiple strikes, killing patients and medical professionals. (Coughs.) Excuse me.
In addition to airstrikes, the regime continues to systematically abduct and torture civilian detainees, often beating, electrocuting, and raping these victims. A former regime photo-documentarian working under the name Caesar has shared more than 10,000 photos of Assad’s victims with the international community. According to numerous NGOs, the regime has abducted and detained between 65,000 and 117,000 people between 2011 and 2015.
Moreover, the regime has also authorized the extrajudicial killings of thousands of detainees using mass hangings at the Saydnaya military prison. Saydnaya is a 45-minute drive outside of Damascus and is one of Syria’s largest and most secure prison complexes. Saydnaya is but one of many detention facilities where prisoners are being held and abused. Others include the Mezzeh airport detention facility and Military Security Branches 215, 227, 235, 248, and 291, which are all located throughout Syria.
The regime holds as many as 70 prisoners in Saydnaya in cells that have a five-person capacity. And according to multiple sources, the regime is responsible for killing as many as 50 detainees per day at Saydnaya. Credible sources have believed that many of the bodies have been disposed in mass graves. We now believe that the Syrian regime has installed a crematorium in the Saydnaya prison complex which could dispose of detainees’ remains with little evidence.
https://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2017/05/270865.htm
“These atrocities have been carried out seemingly with the unconditional support from Russia and Iran,”;said Stuart Jones, Acting Assistant Secretary for Near Eastern Affairs.
The emperor said that his decision to not intervene in Syria was his proudest moment .
Obama understands that the decision he made to step back from air strikes, and to allow the violation of a red line he himself had drawn to go unpunished, will be interrogated mercilessly by historians. But today that decision is a source of deep satisfaction for him.
“I’m very proud of this moment,” he told me. “The overwhelming weight of conventional wisdom and the machinery of our national-security apparatus had gone fairly far. The perception was that my credibility was at stake, that America’s credibility was at stake. And so for me to press the pause button at that moment, I knew, would cost me politically. And the fact that I was able to pull back from the immediate pressures and think through in my own mind what was in America’s interest, not only with respect to Syria but also with respect to our democracy, was as tough a decision as I’ve made—and I believe ultimately it was the right decision to make.”
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/04/the-obama-doctrine/471525/#1
Comparisons to Bubba failing to prevent the Rwanda genocide are appropriate here . But Bubba to his credit regrets his decision to not intervene . Then emperor is proud of his voting present .
talaniman
May 17, 2017, 03:08 PM
Breaking News
Former FBI Director Robert Mueller appointed special counsel in Russia election probe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html?_r=0
excon
May 17, 2017, 03:41 PM
I'll take the word of McMaster ;who wrote the definitive book about the need for military leaders to stand up to civilian leadershipHello tom:
He did write that book.. Was he IN power at the time?? Power is pretty heady stuff.. It's easy to say you'd throw it all away by standing up to the orangeman.. Let's see if he does. He can start anytime. We're waiting..
excon
tomder55
May 17, 2017, 04:24 PM
Former FBI Director Robert Mueller appointed special counsel in Russia election probe.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/u...tion.html?_r=0 (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/17/us/politics/robert-mueller-special-counsel-russia-investigation.html?_r=0)
This should be a counter-intelligence investigation . But whatever . Maybe now we'll find out who criminally unmasked Flynn .Now maybe we'll find out who the leakers are in the White House . Now maybe the whole Comey note will be revealed and not only the part the Slimes thought was relevant .Maybe we will get to see Comey's notes about the Fast and Furious investigation .Maybe we will get to see Comey's notes about the IRS being used as a political tool of the emperor . Maybe we'll see Comey's notes about the Benghazi probe. Maybe we'll get to see Comey's notes on Evita's server .
The Dems don't know it yet ,but if Mueller is an honest broker (and I believe he is) then there are Obots who are vulnerable .ie John Podesta ,Susan Rice,Evita ,the emperor .
paraclete
May 17, 2017, 08:51 PM
All is revealed now Tom it is a Russian plot, Wall Street has dived, so the lustre has gone off Trump, meanwhile while he has to fight off the alligators he cannot be effective in foreign policy
tomder55
May 18, 2017, 02:36 AM
That is true .His agenda is in trouble ,and that is all the Dems and establishment Repubics wanted . Yesterday was historic . The 1st time a special prosecutor was appointed before a crime was identified .
talaniman
May 18, 2017, 06:07 AM
A crime was committed by Flynn. He took money from a foreign government and that's against the rules and he knew it was. The Orange Dufus should have known it too, (And probably did!) but what does he do? Blame everybody else because he didn't do his homework!
tomder55
May 18, 2017, 10:22 AM
all I have to say about that is 'the Podesta brothers ' . Bring it on .The way I see it ,the worse (and best )outcome from this will be a Pence presidency.
talaniman
May 18, 2017, 12:31 PM
That's the spirit Tom, get your popcorn and enjoy the show. Hope they get that Sessions character caught up in this too!
tomder55
May 18, 2017, 06:41 PM
Last year the emperor said that even though Evita had been "careless " in using a private server to handle classified information ;her "intent " had not been to harm national security ,and that the whole issue had been over stated .
Obama says Hillary Clinton emails did not endanger national security - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/10/obama-says-hillary-clinton-emails-did-not-endanger/)
Then a month later in July ,Comey had his famous announcement about the investigation . He said that Evita had been "extremely careless" in transmitting classified information with her private server ..... but she did not have bad "intent " .He declared that no prosecutor would charge her given those facts .
Now it could be argued that the emperor was putting pressure ,or at least sending signals to Comey that he did not want Evita prosecuted .
Back then no one thought the emperor was obstructing justice in an investigation just because he signaled that he did not want Evita prosecuted . But a handwritten note that Comey wrote to himself ,that no one besides Comey (and whoever else he decided to share it with ),presumably saying that Trump asked him if it was possible to drop the investigation of Flynn is now some kind of smoking gun that Trump tried to obstruct justice .
Is that the best they got ? The Slimes did not even see the memo before reporting on it' content . If Trump obstructed with his comment to Comey then so did the emperor in his statement. But even reading the tidbit that the Slimes reported ,Trump's comment is more in line with asking Comey to give a 'good guy' a break . He was not ordering him to do anything . If Trump's comment was a veiled order then so was the emperor's .Was it criminal for Trump to hope the investigation was dropped ? And as I already noted ;if Comey thought there was an obstruction of justice ,it was his lawful duty to report it .
talaniman
May 18, 2017, 07:28 PM
My guess is that Comey was mad he didn't get that fabulous chocolate cake that Trump served foreigners. Or maybe he had to go to the White house for dinner instead of Mara Lago! Or BOTH!!
tomder55
May 19, 2017, 07:23 AM
Dem leadership doesn't want a President Pence. Trump is safe .
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/18/us/politics/democrats-trump-impeachment.html
Now if they could find a way to take out Pence too ,then we'd have to deal with President Madame Mimi .
talaniman
May 19, 2017, 09:34 AM
Pence has his baggage also, and in many cases worse than Trumps if you can believe that. I doubt he could have won another term as Gov. of Indiana.
Who is Madam Mimi?
tomder55
May 19, 2017, 02:30 PM
added an extra "I" should be Mad Madam Mim Pelosi. (also stated that under the assumption that the Dems plan is to drag this out until after the mid-terms in hope of retaking the House. Then as Speaker ,she would be 3rd in line).
talaniman
May 19, 2017, 03:48 PM
That's sort of what I thought. That may be a long shot, but as Trump seemingly is self destructing, I doubt Pence will. He is your mainstream conservative that the right can rally around. Had he run on hi own he would have been toast though.
All the repubs were toast!
tomder55
May 19, 2017, 03:55 PM
Cruz would've won
talaniman
May 20, 2017, 05:25 AM
Would he have succeed in the general election spotlight you think?
tomder55
May 20, 2017, 02:42 PM
Would he have succeed in the general election spotlight you think?
Sure Evita was a very flawed candidate .
Athos
May 20, 2017, 03:32 PM
Would he have succeed in the general election spotlight you think?
Not without the help of the Russians.
excon
May 21, 2017, 07:57 AM
as I already noted ;if Comey thought there was an obstruction of justice ,it was his lawful duty to report it .Hello tom:
Report it to WHO??? HE'S a cop.. He's the guy stuff like that should be reported TO.. When investigators FIND stuff, they don't "report" it.. They put it IN the file. When they HAVE their case, they "report" it in the form of an indictment..
Plus, I dunno WHO you think you're scoring points with when you EXCUSE Trumps behavior by pointing out Hillary's.. Even IF they're on the same plane, what Hillary DID cannot effect us today.. What the Donald DOES, DOES effect our daily lives... Look.. I'm sure Truman did bad sh*t. Does that mean it's OK if Trump does??? I simply don't understand that logic..
Can we talk about leaks? The REASON people leak is because they SEE something untoward. As a nation, and by a WIDE margin, we are better off because people LEAKED stuff. So, if leaders wanna stop LEAKS, they need to STOP doing untoward things..
While I'm at it, either right wingers are BLIND to Trump's nakedness, or want him to at least cover up long enough so they can pass a right wing agenda.. Now, I KNOW you love the agenda, but as a never Trumper, has he turned you?
excon
Athos
May 21, 2017, 04:48 PM
Hello tom:
Report it to WHO??? HE'S a cop.. He's the guy stuff like that should be reported TO.. When investigators FIND stuff, they don't "report" it.. They put it IN the file. When they HAVE their case, they "report" it in the form of an indictment..
excon
excon 1 -- tomder zero
Plus, I dunno WHO you think you're scoring points with when you EXCUSE Trumps behavior by pointing out Hillary's.. Even IF they're on the same plane, what Hillary DID cannot effect us today.. What the Donald DOES, DOES effect our daily lives... Look.. I'm sure Truman did bad sh*t. Does that mean it's OK if Trump does??? I simply don't understand that logic..
excon
excon 2 -- tomder zero
paraclete
May 21, 2017, 07:16 PM
Old arguments die hard, Dump would sell his grandmother for a buck and he just sold the soul of america to the Saudi
tomder55
May 22, 2017, 03:14 AM
(18 USC 4' .....'Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both'.).
Comey was a law enforcement officer . If cops are being bribed or sees a cover up is it not their duty to report it ? Yes it is . As to who Comey should've reported it to ,obviously to his superiors in the Justice Dept ,or to any one of the Congressional Committees he has testified to ;or the the prosecutor investigating Flynn in Virginia ...just to name a few .
He clearly did not perceive himself to have been impeded because he neither resigned nor reported a crime up or down his chain of command. In Senate testimony, under oath , on May 3 ,well after his chat with Trump ,Comey testified that neither he nor the FBI had been under any pressure to drop the investigation . He said the FBI has always been free to operate without political interference. Was that perjury ? The Flynn investigation continued and is now a Grand Jury is Virginia has issued subpoenas.
tomder55
May 22, 2017, 03:36 AM
Plus, I dunno WHO you think you're scoring points with when you EXCUSE Trumps behavior by pointing out Hillary's.. Even IF they're on the same plane, what Hillary DID cannot effect us today.. What the Donald DOES, DOES effect our daily lives... Look.. I'm sure Truman did bad sh*t. Does that mean it's OK if Trump does??? I simply don't understand that logic..
You should read my observation #41 again.
I wasn't comparing Evita to Trump . I was comparing the pressure the emperor put on Comey to the perceived pressure Trump put on Comey . It is a valid comparison. We are talking about actions less than a year from each event . If what Trump did by telling Comey how he preferred the investigation went was obstruction, then so too was the emperor's remarks .
Athos you are better than lobbing spitballs from the cheap seats .
talaniman
May 22, 2017, 04:13 AM
I won't point out the differing styles of Obama, and Trump, but will point out that the Orangeman made Comey make a note for later, and further looked suspicious to me, and everybody else! Bet Trump loves everybody making nice to him on his "tour", but what comes from selling more guns and stuff to Arabian dictators and trouble makers could end up anywhere in the world, remain to be seen. Looks good on TV though doesn't it?
He will be home soon though, but the good, or bad news is, he hasn't had time to TWEET his thoughts. Probably his lawyers got to him. Wonder if donating to his daughter Ivanka's Womens Fund was part of the deal?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/saudi-arabia-uae-ivanka-trump-fund_us_5921c1d9e4b034684b0d17a1?ncid=inblnkushpmg 00000009
He jumped all over Hillary about that...HMM! Then we have this weird photo
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DAXn_lEXoAE6mpO.jpg
WEIRD!!!
tomder55
May 22, 2017, 05:24 AM
Tal , Show me the FBI in the Constitution. The FBI is an instrument of the Justice Dept ,and that in turn is an instrument of the only person that the Constitution vests law enforcement powers upon . Had he ordered the investigation closed it would've been in his perusal . It would be up to Congress to determine if that amounts to an impeachable offense .
talaniman
May 22, 2017, 07:26 AM
Sure Herr Donald can order the investigation closed, and fire the special counsel, and anybody else he wants out. We'll see how that works for him.
DO IT, DONALD, DO IT!
I would rather watch the Donald Show than set up Mike, Mitch, and Paul to run their agenda.
Here have some of my popcorn! Get your own toothpick though. When are you going to learn the Constitution is an EVOLVING structure?
tomder55
May 22, 2017, 01:33 PM
Can we talk about leaks? The REASON people leak is because they SEE something untoward. As a nation, and by a WIDE margin, we are better off because people LEAKED stuff. So, if leaders wanna stop LEAKS, they need to STOP doing untoward things..
Let's make them martyrs . Prosecute them . Someone in the White House has leaked classified information ;information that was designed to protect citizens from government snooping . That provision of FISA law is in serious jeopardy and that is not a good thing because the FISA law is a very useful law to combat espionage and terror threats .
Whoever knowingly and willfully communicates … or otherwise makes available to an unauthorized person, or publishes … any classified information … obtained by the processes of communication intelligence from the communications of any foreign government … shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.Title 18 United States Code §798
excon
May 23, 2017, 08:24 AM
Hello again, tom:
Yes.. Leakers take huge risks. For that, we should be forever thankful.. There's a difference between leaking and espionage.. I support one and not the other.
excon
talaniman
May 23, 2017, 09:29 AM
Personally Exxie, I have no problem with patriotic Americans squealing on the lying bully who is the president. Having said that, this matter will be handled in the court of law, and not public opinion. Leaks may be illegal, but that doesn't make them lies.
That means a thorough AND credible investigation of the FACTS.
tomder55
May 23, 2017, 04:36 PM
Here Tal ,this should explain it all .
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube.com%2FTheGovernment+investigates&view=detail&mid=F4AA42E57BB00C9FEF64F4AA42E57BB00C9FEF64&FORM=VIRE
paraclete
May 23, 2017, 06:17 PM
Here Tal ,this should explain it all .
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=youtube.com%2FTheGovernment+investigates&view=detail&mid=F4AA42E57BB00C9FEF64F4AA42E57BB00C9FEF64&FORM=VIRE
Yes Tom that certainly explains something, but pardon my confusion as I WONDER why Dilliary isn't being prosecuted?
talaniman
May 23, 2017, 07:18 PM
There ain't no more investigators to investigate Hillary, Clete. They either got fired by Trump, or they are investigating Trump. Klavan was pretty clear about that. Oh wait! You said prosecute! They got fired too!
paraclete
May 23, 2017, 10:59 PM
Yes well to be expected Dump only knows one way of administration and two words "YOU'RE FIRED!"
tomder55
May 24, 2017, 02:23 AM
Clete the special investigator ;or whatever they call him, has broad powers to expand his investigation wherever he deems it . Evita won't be prosecuted because herr Donald lied to his voters when he led them on with the ridiculous chant 'lock her up' . [Actually he lied to them about a lot of things ;but that is for a different discussion. The nuance was the difference between taking his words literally or figuratively. ] So Evita and the Clintoons will get away with perhaps the biggest public corruption scheme in history .
Things for the special investigator to examine..............
That time Trump was paid $500,000 to make a speech in Moscow.... oh wait ,that was Bubba Clintoon
That time Trump failed to disclose Russian donors to his foundation before serving as Sec State ...... oh wait,that was Evita
That time Trump's company was in partnership with the Russian government and received $35 million from them .....oh wait ,that was Podesta
That time Trump received $145 million from stock holders of an uranium company sold to the Russians .... oh wait ,that was Evita .
That time Trump approved the sale of 20% of the US uranium to the Russians ....oh wait ,that was Evita .
talaniman
May 24, 2017, 06:11 AM
Clinton ain't signing no bills, or making no executive orders. Clinton doesn't have a bunch of Russians yucking it up at the White house and giving away classified information. Every time we talk about the dumb stuff that Orange Man IS doing, all we get is the dumb stuff Clinton did.
Trump is the PREZ, Clinton ain't, never was, and likely never will be. You would have to be blind not to see the difference.
paraclete
May 24, 2017, 06:42 AM
It's not about difference, as the French would say; viva la difference, but surely this circus can do no good
talaniman
May 24, 2017, 07:07 AM
Are you kidding? It's the Greatest Show On Earth! After 8 solid years of talking about the black guy, it's refreshing to talk about the orange guy for a while.
tomder55
May 25, 2017, 05:39 AM
The emperor's team is back in the news . Turns out that they were illegally 'unmasking ' Americans ,violating their 4th amendment rights since at least 2011 . When the FISA court told them to knock it off ,they doubled down instead . Hundreds of Americans were unmasked . If it was 2011 ,I pretty sure that Romney's campaign was given the same treatment that herr Donald's received . If the names were leaked I'm sure just about every political opponent of the emperor was subject to illegal surveillance . Time for Mueller to expand his probe .
Barack Obama's team secretly disclosed years of illegal NSA searches spying on Americans | Circa News - Learn. Think. Do. (http://circa.com/politics/barack-obamas-team-secretly-disclosed-years-of-illegal-nsa-searches-spying-on-americans)
talaniman
May 25, 2017, 05:52 AM
I think Mueller has his hands so full on just the Orange Man right now Tom, that he doesn't have time to dig into the last administration! Seems Trumps lawyers have finally shut Trumps big mouth if it's not to late.
Maybe he gets around to the past.
paraclete
May 25, 2017, 04:05 PM
You want to talk about Dump being thuggish
Donald Trump shoves NATO leader Montenegro Prime Minister Duško Markovic (http://www.news.com.au/technology/online/donald-trump-shoves-nato-leader-montenegro-prime-minister-duko-markovic/news-story/aadb7af43c19cf5d90e28e2e24e2efa9)
Here is another indication he wants all the limelight and will be heavy handed getting it. He won't allow any lesser slug to get in front of him when the pics are on
talaniman
May 25, 2017, 05:47 PM
What a maroon!!
paraclete
May 25, 2017, 09:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Kh7nLplWo
tomder55
May 26, 2017, 09:56 AM
Comey flat out lied to the Senate while under oath about this :
Declassified memos show FBI illegally shared spy data on Americans with private parties | Circa News - Learn. Think. Do. (http://circa.com/politics/declassified-memos-show-fbi-illegally-shared-spy-data-on-americans-with-private-parties)
talaniman
May 26, 2017, 11:11 AM
So what? Repubs lie about health care, budgets, taxes, and voting, and trump!
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tomder55
May 26, 2017, 06:36 PM
amazing that Dems can excuse away wholesale violations of 4th amendment rights . When the Patriot act was proposed this was the very thing the opponents feared .Turns out they were right ;except their fear was the Bush would abuse the power . It was the emperor and his fascist regime that abused it .
talaniman
May 27, 2017, 05:27 AM
How can you be for the 4th amendment, and be for stop and frisk, or racial profiling? Isn't that kind of selective?