It's great that Clinton has secured the Democratic nomination but is anyone else fed up with the childish, irrational and fanatical Sanders supporters? I can't think of any candidate in recent history other than Trump who has such immature, disrespectful supporters. I think that Sanders himself is partly to blame. He stayed in the race far too long when he should have bowed out gracefully and endorsed Clinton after the New York primary if not earlier. He didn't condemn his supporters when they made hateful comments about Clinton until the media called him out for it and even then he only condemned his supporters in a very half-hearted way. At least he finally did the right thing and endorsed her at the convention. His supporters' attitude is disturbing, if they don't get their way, they'll take their ball and go home even if it means electing a complete moron like Trump. This election is America's last chance to show the world that they're not complete fools, if they elect Trump, America will never be taken seriously in the world again.

I have to say that although the Sanders supports have been outside the box. It is a shame how the election was rigged in favor of one nominee over another. We already look like fools and if you think it is just a joke from the other side as for all the scandals she brings with her your kidding yourself. She should have been behind bars already.

I have to say that although the Sanders supports have been outside the box. It is a shame how the election was rigged in favor of one nominee over another. We already look like fools and if you think it is just a joke from the other side as for all the scandals she brings with her your kidding yourself. She should have been behind bars already.

How can you say that the election was rigged? Even if superdelegates had not existed, Clinton still would have easily won the nomination by millions of votes.

So you think the emails that came to light were just a fabrication? It showed that the DNC had actively promoted one candidate over another. If that isn't manipulation then I'm not sure what dictionary your using. I'm not saying that sanders would have won handily but he didn't have a level playing field to begin with. He may have won you never really know now.

Sander came very close to getting the delegates in the vote, but the superdelegates weren't with him. How far can you go if the party machine isn't with you? The democrats and the republicans have a different view of the world,trump could get away with it but sanders couldn't. Let's hope dilliary is sensible and gives burnie a cabinet post

Sanders was the candidate. Do you mean delegates?

Bernie will be much more effective in the Senate.

Yes delegates a slip of the tongue

Sanders might have won if Hillary's close friend in the DNC (Debbie Wasserman Shultz)had not been actively working to sabotage Sanders. Proven with emails Wikileaks made public.

Proof positive the party was going to put the Hilderbeast on the ticket by hook or by crook... despite what other Democrats wanted.

Sanders might have won if Hillary's close friend in the DNC (Debbie Wasserman Shultz)had not been actively working to sabotage Sanders. Proven with emails Wikileaks made public.

Proof positive the party was going to put the Hilderbeast on the ticket by hook or by crook... despite what other Democrats wanted.
Was that hilderbeast or wildebeast

Was that hilderbeast or wildebeast

Most of the names I have for her I can't even post...

I have solid reasons for my hatred...I've actually met her in person...and not as part of a press event or in the crowd.

I don't hate many people...I didn't even hate Bill, I may have been completely opposed to his political stances on almost everything...but he was at least a somewhat likeable person...

Most of the names I have for her I can't even post...

I have solid reasons for my hatred...I've actually met her in person...and not as part of a press event or in the crowd.

I don't hate many people...I didn't even hate Bill, I may have been completely opposed to his political stances on almost everything...but he was at least a somewhat likeable person...

Intelligent people vote for the candidate who is most qualified to lead the country, not for whoever is more "likeable." This is the election for one of the most important jobs in the world, with serious consequences, not 7th grade class president.

Intelligent people vote for the candidate who is most qualified to lead the country, not for whoever is more "likeable." This is the election for one of the most important jobs in the world, with serious consequences, not 7th grade class president.

Correct. And Evita is in no way qualified to run this country.

Intelligent people vote for the candidate who is most qualified to lead the country, not for whoever is more "likeable." This is the election for one of the most important jobs in the world, with serious consequences, not 7th grade class president.
Hillary is Neither...

No real experience, no real accomplishments outside of political fundraising... LOT of crooked dealings... LIES about Benghazi... (first hand knowledge on that as I know what capabilities we had in that region)

Most recent mess was the collusion between Hillary and her close friend Debbie Wasserman Shultz to screw Sanders...

SHultz pulled a publicity stunt by resigning, what the media are NOT reporting is Hillary gave her a job immediately as payment for a job well done.

This is why Saunders supporters are rightfully upset...they know it...

I don't like or agree with EITHER of them on any level....but I do believe in people having a fair shot...not playing a rigged game. Why bother having primaries if they are going to play these games.

And that applies to the Republican party equally.

Correct. And Evita is in no way qualified to run this country.

'Oh what a circus Oh what a show' .

'Oh what a circus Oh what a show' .

Yes right under the big top

How can you say that the election was rigged? Even if superdelegates had not existed, Clinton still would have easily won the nomination by millions of votes.

I'll say it definitively . It is not just Sanders who complained . Martin O'Malley was making the same charge from the beginning of the race . They only held a handful of debates ,and when they did ,they held them on days and at times designed to limit the audience . He recently said that the DNC never writes the rules to help a challenger . Both he and Sanders complained the system was rigged . What they did not know was how rigged it actually was.

The email leaks have revealed the extent that the DNC colluded and coordinated action with the press(CNN among others ) to do everything they could to nominate Evita . The revelations forced DW Schultz to resign ...but it was mission accomplished . She immediately accepted a position in the Clintoon campaign .

The DNC is now under the direction of Donna Brazile ;who served as an advisor for Bubba's campaign in 1992 and in 1996. Her ties to the Clintoons goes back to the 1980s during her years with the Democratic Leadership Council ,an organization Bubba helped create .

She also has served as a political analyst for (you guessed it .....CNN) . Brazile was caught on the emails disparaging the Sanders campaign.

Tom, I'm not surprised when you find dirty tricks in politics, what surprises me is we are expected to vote for such people

Not me . I have a write in this year .

Morning Earl, those annoying Sanders fans are mostly young newbies to the political process, loud but inexperienced for sure, and no doubt once they wrap their heads around the reality that their dude LOST, as most have already, they will look at their options very differently and back the party nominee.

I doubt they jump to Trump. I have to disagree with Tom though about the third option of write ins, or even considering the other candidates of the lesser parties at this time, because a protest vote may well allow the GREATER of two evils a better chance, while other 3rd options have NO chance whatsoever.

It's an obvious choice to me, the talk loud, holler and screaming "NEWBIE" vs the experience female who has thrived and survived after more than 25 years of RELENTLESS attacks. Her enemies only wish she were NOT so qualified!

What are her qualifications exactly? What are her actual accomplishments except manage to escape numerous criminal charges most other people would be in jail for?

If WE were in contempet for 9 months... we would have been in jail well before the 1st month (Remember fileGate)

Accomplishments as Sec of State... (a political appointment) was Benghazi and the numerous and persistent lies behind that?

The list is long...

Her actual accomplishments as Senator? ( crickets chirping )

She has precious LITTLE experience...has held only one elected position ever...and one Appointed position that wasn't earned but give to her as political payback that as history has proven, she was woefully unqualified for.

Then vote for Trump AND his buddy Vlad, Smoothy my friend, but don't whine or cry when he destroys YOUR social security, 401K, and Medicare, and enslave YOUR Euro ancestors and leave you with a big ole wall with TRUMP in huge gold letters on it you can see from space.

That and YOUR money is all the Donald wants out of this deal anyway.

Then vote for Trump AND his buddy Vlad, Smoothy my friend, but don't whine or cry when he destroys YOUR social security, 401K, and Medicare. Obama already took care of that.

. Obama already took care of that.
Huh? Mine are all working just fine.

Huh? Mine are all working just fine.. Glad yours is. Consider yourself lucky.

. Glad yours is. Consider yourself lucky.
Please explain.

How about you explain why deleting 20,000+ emails is appropriate. Explain to me why lying to the mother of the dead Benghazi soldier is okay. Explain to me why it is appropriate to bring on Debbie Wasserman-Shutlz after she was fired As the DNC chair.

I'm waiting.

How about you explain why deleting 20,000+ emails is appropriate. Explain to me why lying to the mother of the dead Benghazi soldier is okay. Explain to me why it is appropriate to bring on Debbie Wasserman-Shutlz after she was fired As the DNC chair.

I'm waiting.
I'm a registered Republican and waiting to hear how my Medicare, etc. is screwed up.

You want me to explain why MY SS, 401K, and health care is fine and yours ISN'T?


How about you explain why deleting 20,000+ emails is appropriate. Explain to me why lying to the mother of the dead Benghazi soldier is okay. Explain to me why it is appropriate to bring on Debbie Wasserman-Shutlz after she was fired As the DNC chair.

I'm waiting.

Right after YOU explain how Trump can spew racist and disparaging remarks against minorities and still get YOUR vote.

Morning Earl, those annoying Sanders fans are mostly young newbies to the political process, loud but inexperienced for sure, and no doubt once they wrap their heads around the reality that their dude LOST, as most have already, they will look at their options very differently and back the party nominee.

I doubt they jump to Trump. I have to disagree with Tom though about the third option of write ins, or even considering the other candidates of the lesser parties at this time, because a protest vote may well allow the GREATER of two evils a better chance, while other 3rd options have NO chance whatsoever.

It's an obvious choice to me, the talk loud, holler and screaming "NEWBIE" vs the experience female who has thrived and survived after more than 25 years of RELENTLESS attacks. Her enemies only wish she were NOT so qualified!




Experience does not equate with qualified. She failed in the only executive position she's had (not counting her role in the family $$ laundering business
). She was an unqualified disaster as Sec State ,and cannot be trusted to make executive decisions about American foreign policy. That is what we know about her .

The other known is her slavish adhence to radical progressive policies . Oh it all sounds so good ,so empathetic ,so compassionate . Then they find that it only works ,if at all ; until they run out of other people's money . Her tax increase proposals have been unveiled ,and they look like they are right out of Bolshevik Bernie's playbook.

I have read it. The Spring version at least.

An Analysis of Hillary Clinton's Tax Proposals | Full Report | Tax Policy Center (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-hillary-clintons-tax-proposals/full)

So lets talk facts without the exaggerated rhetoric.

First, I don't agree that Bernie stayed in too long. I think he needed to stay to have some influence on the platform.

Second, I don't necessarily agree that she has the qualifications. But I don't see anyone who has better qualifications. I very strongly believe that a Trump presidency WILL be a disaster. A Clinton presidency has the potential to be anywhere from a disaster to a success.

So that is the choice we have been left with.

I don't agree about a lack of integrity on Hillary's part. I do feel she is a dedicated public servant, but she has made mistakes in her career.

I do find it frightening that so many people can take a Trump presidency so seriously.

The only answer I have is to pay strong attention to the local races. Vote for candidates that will counteract or support the policies you favor.

I have read it. The Spring version at least.

An Analysis of Hillary Clinton's Tax Proposals | Full Report | Tax Policy Center (http://www.taxpolicycenter.org/publications/analysis-hillary-clintons-tax-proposals/full)

So lets talk facts without the exaggerated rhetoric.
Bottom line ;it is a $$$$$ TRILLION tax increase at a time when the Obamaeconomy is sputtering on fumes.

$ 350 billion will come from increases in personal tax increases .
$250 billion will come from taxing businesses
$400-$500 billion for her so-called "fairness tax " including a provision for her “fair share surcharge” ,and by jacking up the death tax.

But wait ....there's more ! There are proposals she's made including draconian increases in the cap gains tax ,a new tax on stock trade transactions that will screw everyone ,including people who have 401k plans or who's pensions are invested in stocks.

Of course she and Trump, and Sanders are of a same clueless mind when it comes to screwing companies that do business outside the country . Instead of addressing the underlying reason why companies exit (an obscene 35% fed corporate tax rate and an additional 4-5% average state corporate tax rate for about a 40% average corporate tax rate opposed to an average corporate tax rate of 25% worldwide );she plans on jamming American companies more . But at least Trump's plan ;heavily borrowed from Larry Kudlow ,is pro-growth(Trump is hopelessly wrong on all aspects of trade tax policy however ).

Some of her other tax increase plans are beyond stupid like carbon taxes ,soda taxes ,and gun purchase taxes . Her goal is the pay for all the freebies that she and Sanders promised during the campaign. Bottom line ,In an economy of less than $18 trillion ,she would in add new taxes of over a $trillion .

The sad thing is that all she has to do is look at the history of Bubba's Presidency to see her folly . He came in all full of progressive pretentions .He jammed high tax increases on us (two income tax rates to 36 percent and 39.6 percent, and raised the corporate tax rate to 35 percent), and the result was a stalled economy. His party suffered in the mid-term elections . Bubba knew he had blundered . So instead of doubling down like the emperor does ,Bubba embraced the economic proposals of the Gingrich Congress. He cut cap gains taxes to 20% . He reduced tariffs and embraced free trade . There was a boom in capital investment in his 2nd term as a result . The Dems call it the Clintoon good ole days .

As far as Medicare ,since the topic was raised ; Evita is moving ever closer to Bolshevik Bernie's plan of universal "Medicare for all " . It would collapse a very fragile system that has doctors bailing out by the score ,refusing to take on Medicare patients .

As for me ,the only candidate who came close to my thinking on tax reform was Ted Cruz.

As far as Medicare ,since the topic was raised ; Evita is moving ever closer to Bolshevik Bernie's plan of universal "Medicare for all " . It would collapse a very fragile system that has doctors bailing out by the score ,refusing to take on Medicare patients .
Medicare, about 96% accept assignment, so okay. Medicare for psychiatric services, barely at all. Medicare Advantage, not so much.

Medicaid, not Medicare, is the problem.

Medicare, about 96% accept assignment, so okay. Medicare for psychiatric services, barely at all. Medicare Advantage, not so much.

Medicaid, not Medicare, is the problem.


21 % of doctors refuse new Medicare patients . What does that say about the future as more baby boomers become eligible ?
http://healthblog.ncpa.org/one-in-five-doctors-say-no-new-medicare-patients/#sthash.Vs1LU2Tf.dpbs


Medicare, about 96% accept assignment, so okay. Medicare for psychiatric services, barely at all. Medicare Advantage, not so much.

Medicaid, not Medicare, is the problem.

In recent years, physicians have been refusing to treat new Medicare patients or have dropped out of the program at an alarming rate all together. According to a survey conducted by the National Ambulatory Medical Care in 2011, about 17 percent of the nation's physicians were not willing to accept Medicare patients, but more alarming was the 31 percent of primary care physicians refused Medicare patients (Health Affairs, 2012). The primary reasons seems to be that Medicare does not pay enough to cover costs and overhead, reimbursements are slow, paperwork is confusing, and Medicare does not cover many tests that primary care physicians need to perform to diagnose and treat the patient's illness. In 2009, the Mayo Clinic primary care center in Arizona, announced they would no longer accept Medicare citing they had lost $120 million dollars because Medicare only covered about half of the clinic's expenses for treating the elderly (Olmos, 2009). http://www.tsrt.info/id263.html

Ah. A survey determined this. And what was the sample size?

The reality is one patient not treated is one too many, A survey only exposes the tip of the ice berg, it demonstrates that there are issues. It can be biased but is reflective of what may be happening. You must avoid the idea that it can't happen here obviously it is because you don't have a universal health care system which should be a basic right of all citizens

The Obama economy has been quite good to the upper 10%, and they have never worried about having the best doctors in the world check their butts. Raising a few trillions to finance bridges, roads, schools and create a few million good paying jobs sounds reasonable to me. If there is a few bucks left you can have your WALL!

You might even get more doctors and nurses out of the deal if more could afford med school.

The Obama economy has been quite good to the upper 10%, and they have never worried about having the best doctors in the world check their butts. Raising a few trillions to finance bridges, roads, schools and create a few million good paying jobs sounds reasonable to me. If there is a few bucks left you can have your WALL!

You might even get more doctors and nurses out of the deal if more could afford med school.

The emperor tried your Keynesian pump priming solutions early in his term and wasted a $ trillion . But don't you worry ;because liberal Trump believes that if he is given the power ,he can build better bridges, roads, schools ,airports ...and keep the trains running on time. So either way you are going to get your bucket wish list of federally funded pork projects.

Ah. A survey determined this. And what was the sample size?
It wasn't "a survey" .It was multiple surveys . The AMA survey was over 9,000 doctors and concluded that 17% restrict the number of Medicare patients in their practice. Among primary care physicians, the rate is 31%. This is at a time where the largest demographic group is entering Medicare eligibility . The system is on it's way to collapse already even before any thought of universal Medicare is considered . AARP is taking notice .
Finding a New Doctor Can Be Hard for Medicare Patients - AARP (http://www.aarp.org/health/medicare-insurance/info-12-2009/finding_a_new_fl.html)

Yeah Clete if doctors are compelled to accept everyone ,and their reimbursements is strictly controlled by a central planner sitting at a desk in DC (and you can compel doctors to remain in their practice when they find that the years they spent training for their profession does not reward their efforts sufficiently ),and patients are satisfied with long waiting periods to get care and specialized treatment, then perhaps there will be adequate universal care here .

Yeah Clete if doctors are compelled to accept everyone ,and their reimbursements is strictly controlled by a central planner sitting at a desk in DC (and you can compel doctors to remain in their practice when they find that the years they spent training for their profession does not reward their efforts sufficiently ),and patients are satisfied with long waiting periods to get care and specialized treatment, then perhaps there will be adequate universal care here .

Tom the key is how much the doctors are paid, obviously if payment is insufficient they will want to opt out. There are differences between essential or emergency surgery and surgery that is non urgent or for cosmetic reasons, just as there are differences in why people want to consult a doctor. One of the great reasons people want to consult a doctor is fear, they are unable to identify common ailments. Doctors have been trained not to rely on their judgement but to order up expensive tests, etc when most of the time these will yield a negative result. If these procedures were paid for on the basis of positive result their use would decline to essential occasions.

You see everything through the lens of a commercialised system that only works for the top 10% or those with expensive insurance

Tom the key is how much the doctors are paid, obviously if payment is insufficient they will want to opt out. There are differences between essential or emergency surgery and surgery that is non urgent or for cosmetic reasons, just as there are differences in why people want to consult a doctor. One of the great reasons people want to consult a doctor is fear, they are unable to identify common ailments. Doctors have been trained not to rely on their judgement but to order up expensive tests, etc when most of the time these will yield a negative result. If these procedures were paid for on the basis of positive result their use would decline to essential occasions.

You see everything through the lens of a commercialised system that only works for the top 10% or those with expensive insurance
the fallacy of the argument above is that the elective surgery in a commercialized system like we have has demonstrated that the costs reduce as the doctors who perform these procedures are subject to competitive market forces . Cosmetic surgery ,lasik ....all have seen the prices drop. It is in the mandated coverage where the system is collapsing here . I have to give the Obots credit . They designed a system that was intended to fail ,and it is working as planned . All we see here is insurance companies either dropping out of the emperor's exchanges ;or consolidation of the few remaining giants of the industry . But that is the government way . Giving the favored rent seekers the advantage.

The fallacy of YOUR argument Tom is that we are on the way to Medicare for all. Crying and whining over those poor doctors and insurance companies who exploit the system is a waste of time. Just like all those repeal votes with no replacement of ObamaCare.

Subjecting the health of ordinary Americans to unrestrained capitalistic market forces should have been CRIMINAL a long time ago. Even you cannot make a case for denying legitimate treatments in life saving situations. Funny how that has always affected the least most vulnerable Americans, and enriched doctors who seek the clientele of paying customers only, using the slow pay, low pay, BS excuse, since MOST EVERY STATE in the union bears responsibility for the well being and medical care for its own citizens, but I guess it's easier to blame Obama than your governor for such a lacking system.

I started to copy/paste the part of the link I provided about "Evita's" plan to rebuild crumbling cities devastated by companies that moved all those blue collar jobs overseas chasing cheap slave labor by taxing the uber rich an extra 5%. Wrap your head around that for a minute! 5% tax brings in trillions, creates new middle class jobs, but repubs say NO WAY!

Can you find it on your OWN? I have the donald's plan also,

The 5-Part Donald Trump Economic Plan Unveiled (http://moneymorning.com/2015/08/31/the-5-part-donald-trump-economic-plan-unveiled/)

And the libertarians,

Platform | Libertarian Party (http://www.lp.org/platform)

And the green party

Green Party on Budget & Economy (http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Green_Party_Budget_+_Economy.htm)

and

https://www.greenparty.org/

Only in America can you shop and compare in your underwear from your favorite chair!

Typical Bernie Sanders supporters - www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5pjA-0myEs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5pjA-0myEs)

Typical Trump supporters - www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuanrYGnI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuanrYGnI)OI

Democracy isn't so great when morons start to outnumber sensible people


The links don't work so to find the first one, type "stupid Sanders supporters" and for the second one type "Mississippi voters"

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Democracy isn't so great when morons start to outnumber sensible people

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Exactly ;
democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner . The Dems love democracy because they can forge a majority together to vote to steal the property of others not in the majority .

Democracy isn't so great when morons start to outnumber sensible people


Exactly ;
democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner . The Dems love democracy because they can forge a majority together to vote to steal the property of others not in the majority .

Tom you know very well they do this because the majority don't care enough to vote, also said to be a democratic expression of the will of the people. The problem with the system as you see it is that it is a two horse race offering a choice between the Demorats and the Repubbats

Tom you know very well they do this because the majority don't care enough to vote, also said to be a democratic expression of the will of the people. The problem with the system as you see it is that it is a two horse race offering a choice between the Demorats and the Repubbats

Problem is they can't even muster enough numbers honestly and legally, that they push for disallowing people to have to prove they are legally entitled to vote... that way dead people can vote, Illegals can vote.. and they can vote multiple times, sometimes in multiple states as has been proven to have occurred many times the last two elections.

You can't apply or for or collect welfare or food stamps without proof of who you are... yet these same people DON'T have one to vote? Yeah, and I have prime ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you too.

Problem is they can't even muster enough numbers honestly and legally, that they push for disallowing people to have to prove they are legally entitled to vote... that way dead people can vote, Illegals can vote.. and they can vote multiple times, sometimes in multiple states as has been proven to have occurred many times the last two elections.

You can't apply or for or collect welfare or food stamps without proof of who you are... yet these same people DON'T have one to vote? Yeah, and I have prime ocean front property in Nebraska to sell you too.

yes the Dems are the party of the fraud vote. They now have the courts confirming their position that ineligible people ,and the dead have a vote .

yes the Dems are the party of the fraud vote. They now have the courts confirming their position that ineligible people ,and the dead have a vote .

Sounds like a bad case of GOYA

Dems were also cheering job losses etc... they WANT things ot get worse so they can sucker the low information voter.

Directly from Wikileaks themselves... have a read. One example from the hacked DNC emails.

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/emailid/7848

Sorry, don't get the relevance of that link, yes it is an email?