Violence has once again shattered the peace in Paris. We are uncertain of the motives of the terrorists involved but once again Paris is at the centre

Paris shootings: many dead in multiple attacks (http://www.smh.com.au/world/paris-shooting-several-dead-as-gunman-opens-fire-in-city-20151113-gkyvu5.html)

The number killed and held hostage supasses anything the French have experienced and brings a reaction of closing the borders, which seems a little like shutting the stable door but then perhaps they want to make sure no one gets out. We must stand in solidarity with the French as they respond to these acts.

How many people besides me and you are NOT surprised this is happening again?

I keep waiting for it to start in the UK. What's probably saved them this far is they have very good intelligence services in the UK and they have probably curbed it before it got far enough along.

If they get the results they want, it will be happening all over the world.

France has a large Muslim population, we don't know what the source of this is yet, the UK would be very wary after the London bombing and their borders are better controlled. It is already happening all over the world, just not quite so obvious, this may even have been an assassination attempt on Hollande, he was in the stadium that was attacked.

Europe has opened itself to this behaviour by allowing large scale migration which is actually inexplicable, they are now trying to return africans to africa which will require reversal of many EU policies. It just doesn't pay to be prosperous

Be careful clete... you are going to be called a bigot and a racist for pointing this out. That's what I've been called recently in more than one thread for even suggesting this. They are the most docile and peace loving people on earth don't you know.

I'm actually following the French ambassador in the opinion that muslims will be at the centre of this and he has promised swift and terrible retribution. Smoothy it wouldn't be the first time that someone suggested that my opinions are racist and bigoted, however, I will call it as I see it. When someone can tell me that no muslim has ever taken a life on religious grounds, I might be able to revise my opinion of the 1,400 year old death cult. What I know is this, what is on the leadership comes down on the followers.

"Cette fois, c'est la guerre" #LeParisien (https://twitter.com/hashtag/LeParisien?src=hash)

They are the most docile and peace loving people on earth don't you know.

Ahh! The sarcasm! It buuuuurns! Actually that was well played, Smooth.

With the AP reporting that one of the thugs at the concert hall said "This is for Syria" the Muslim attribution is pretty solid. I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) ​Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?

Well IS has affronted the wrong people, the French are not known for their tolerance and should France put troops on the ground to confront IS, it is overdue and like the situation in Iraq we will stand with them. This Muslim aggression, and to say otherwise is to be blind, must be answered decisively. I say this is Muslim aggression because the members of IS are supported across the world and their supporters cannot stay hidden. We know Saudi Arabia and the gulf states have supported them and this must stop ,so must Iranian support of the Syrian regime. This war must stop and IS be annilihated

Ahh! The sarcasm! It buuuuurns! Actually that was well played, Smooth.

With the AP reporting that one of the thugs at the concert hall said "This is for Syria" the Muslim attribution is pretty solid. I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) ​Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?

This isn't as simple as most people try to make it. Meaning its not because of one or two simple things... this is the result being taught to hate everything Western from cradle to grave. They can never be appeased as long as any other religion except THEIR particular version of Islam exists. Odd since the west is where so many chose to go, then they try to turn it into a version of what they have already left.

Ahh! The sarcasm! It buuuuurns! Actually that was well played, Smooth.

With the AP reporting that one of the thugs at the concert hall said "This is for Syria" the Muslim attribution is pretty solid. I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) ​Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?

No the French are not soft .The French were battling jihadistan long before it became popular here . Charlie Hebdo was attacked by Algerian jihadists . France has been at war with Algerian jihadists since the 1950s. in 1956 France had about 400,000 troops fighting counter insurgency operations there ;and it was brutal . The war lasted until 1962 . Algeria got it's independence ;France got it's refugee and Muslim migration problem. The French being the European country that inherited Syria ,and Lebanon after WWI get attacked by Muslims over their colonial past too.

But even before that ;the French(Franks ) stopped the conquest of Europe by the jihadist horde in 732 Battle of Tours. Had they not won the battle ,Western culture would've died that day. We all owe deep gratitude to Frankish leader Charles (the hammer ) Martel .
As you know ,the Muslims have long memories.
There are other issues ... the French in their attempt to make the country totally secular did stuff like ban wearing face-veils in public. That did not please the Muslims .

No the French are not soft .

You missed the point of my question. By "softer target," I meant "easier." Highly restricted personal arms, a high immigrant population to hide within, open borders: is Paris a softer target than, say, Berlin or Rome?

The historical answer does seem to hold merit.

https://vid.me/0uIZ

Religon of peace my sweet patootie.

This could just as easily be next door or down the street from any of you.

Just to add to Tom's great historical post,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerxes_I

And

Imperial History of the Middle East (http://mapsofwar.com/ind/imperial-history.html)

Earlier Arab invasions and conquest of NON-muslim territory takes away any moral high road they ever had..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab%E2%80%93Byzantine_wars

https://vid.me/0uIZ

Religon of peace my sweet patootie.

This could just as easily be next do or down the street from any of you.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_war

WAR AND WORLD RELIGIONS (http://ppu.org.uk/learn/infodocs/st_religions.html)

BBC - Religions - Christianity: War (http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/christianity/christianethics/war.shtml)

What year is this now... when did THOSE occur.


Its OK within certain circles that the Muslims raped, murdered and pillaged taking over territory that was never muslim and forced its inhabitants to convert or die... for well over a thousand years

Yet go on and on nit picking about any thing Judeo-Christians ever did... most of which was in response to Islamic incursions into their territory. Which apparently is OK with them.

And its happening NOW in Europe and elsewhere.

Just an FYI.....Muslims don't like or suffer atheists any more than they do other religions. Meaning they aren't getting a free pass or mercy.

Highly restricted personal arms sure could've used some conceal and carry patrons in the Batclan as the jihadists slowly reloaded their weapons .

Paris is the ultimate 'sanctuary city ' they have scores of Muslims ;especially from North Africa. They are different in their immigration in that they do not look at their country as a melting pot. Immigrants live neighborhoods where they impose sharia at will . Many of these neighborhoods are unofficially considered 'no go zones ' .Any 'policing' is done by the thugs.

The word banlieue ("suburb") now connotes a no-go zone of high-rise slums, drug-fueled crime, failing schools and poor, largely Muslim immigrants and their angry offspring. The banlieues erupted in 1981 and in 2005, when rioters burned hundreds of cars and President Nicolas Sarkozy threatened to clean out the area with a high-pressure hose. He did not mention that the vast majority of its residents are French citizens, speak perfect French and, unlike his father, were born in France

https://newrepublic.com/article/120714/charlie-hebdo-attack-challenges-frances-treasured-national-identity

It is not just Paris however . This is happening all over Europe.

European 'No-Go' zones. Fox apologized for saying they exist. But do they? | Vlad Tepes (http://vladtepesblog.com/2015/01/20/european-no-go-zones-fox-apologized-for-saying-they-exist-but-do-they/#more-76041)


LiveLeak.com - various videos showing Paris being ransacked by N African youth (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=510_1368807274)

LiveLeak.com - Riots and violence escalate in Belgian Muslim suburb after police attempt arrest (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=94b_1381757454)

LiveLeak.com - video and current news about the Muslim riots in Trappes, France (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=62f_1374435197)

LiveLeak.com - large scale rioting spiraling out of control in Sweden (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ab0_1369161850)

Exactly .. give them an inch and they take a mile.

If they want Sharia... they can move back to the Middle east.

That region is such a desirable utopia because of it that people are flocking there to be oppressed.

Do you think religion ("Worship Allah!") is just the umbrella reason, the excuse? What's really going on?

If its not... then why is it ONE religion exclusively doing it? And why is everyone in that religion that does it... say it is. Misquided....certainly, but they aren't all stupid, and they aren't all brainwashed. Many of them are educated enough to prove they know exactly what they are doing. So you can't blame it all on Imams.

If its not... then why is it ONE religion exclusively doing it? And why is everyone in that religion that does it... say it is. Misquided....certainly, but they aren't all stupid, and they aren't all brainwashed. Many of them are educated enough to prove they know exactly what they are doing. So you can't blame it all on Imams.
And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

I think that is called collateral damage and no jihadist has ever been concerned about it

I think that is called collateral damage and no jihadist has ever been concerned about it

That would be true of any invading army in history, not just the small sample size of the present.

So there we have it Tal admits to the presence of an invading army.

Yes, one that fights guerilla style with few soldiers but huge impact. TERRORIST tactics that are most effective.

And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

And not every member of MS13 , or other gangs participate in every crime either. So should THEY be treated the same way? Maybe we should start Treating the KKK, and the Mafia like that too...they certainly aren't any worse as a group.

Obama was claiming ISIS was contained shortly before the latest attacks in France. For the benefit of those who harped on Bush for his mission accomplished speech after which NO terrorist attacks occurred.

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Interview video of OWEbama claiming ISIS is contained.....shortly before the attacks in France.

And not every member of MS13 , or other gangs participate in every crime either. So should THEY be treated the same way? Maybe we should start Treating the KKK, and the Mafia like that too...they certainly aren't any worse as a group.
Did we kill them all or send them somewhere far away?

Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims.

Did we kill them all or send them somewhere far away?

Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims.

WHo gets to make THAT decision... the people that just Ok'd a huge number of the same terrorists into OUR country as caused this in France?


And yes... at LEAST one of them carried a Syrian passport.

The UK appears to be the only intelligent led country in the western hemisphere right now....actively blocking these miscreants from entry.

WHo gets to make THAT decision... the people that just Ok'd a huge number of the same terrorists into OUR country as caused this in France?
How do you tell the good ones from the terrorists?

How do you tell the good ones from the terrorists?


You can't... so you do what is right, and keep them all out. None of them are worth the life of ONE person who belongs here

Everyone else who came here legally...had to be vetted and checked out before being allowed in.

Notice I said legally....none of the street urchins Obama decreed to be let in were admitted legally. And none were vetted.

And everyone who voted for Obama has blood on their hands if a single one of this new wave of undesirables he commanded to be let in without vetting commits a single murder or terrorist act.

What about vetted ones who kill?

What about vetted ones who kill?

There are far fewer of those BECAUSE we kept out criminals and those with known ties to them. The unvetted ILLEGALS commit crimes at a far higher rate.

Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g

Let's go children of the fatherland,
The day of glory has arrived!
Against us tyranny's
Bloody flag is raised! (repeat)
In the countryside, do you hear
The roaring of these fierce soldiers?
They come right to our arms
To slit the throats of our sons, our friends! Grab your weapons, citizens!
Form your batallions!
Let us march! Let us march!
May impure blood
Water our fields!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1q9Ntcr5g

Yes Tom long overdue the flag should be raised against the tyanny of the jihadist against the tyranny of the Muslim

And the majority of Muslims aren't involved, and some are even victims themselves.

it's not the majority .....reactionary movements and revolutionary movements rarely are the majority initially .

But it's worse than you think .

Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm)

I still don't understand the Jihadi hard-on for the French. They have been particularly incensed with Paris for the entire time I've been watching them (all the way back to Achille Lauro) ​Is it historical? Is it just that the French present a softer target? Anyone have any insights?



Earlier this year, following the Charlie Hebdo massacre and related terrorist attacks in and around Paris, I wrote Islam and Free Speech (http://www.encounterbooks.com/books/islam-and-free-speech/), a “Broadside” that is part of the series published by Encounter Books (http://www.encounterbooks.com/broadsides/). The following is an excerpt.
How did we get to this historical anomaly in France where, as the estimable scholar Daniel Pipes observes, “a majority population accepts the customs and even the criminality of a poorer and weaker community”? It is the result of a conquest ideology taking the measure of a civilization that no longer values its heritage, no longer regards itself as worthy of defense.
France’s population of 66 million is now approximately 10 percent Islamic. Estimates are sketchy because, in a vestige of its vanishing secularist tradition, France does not collect census data about religious affiliation. Still, between 6 and 7 million Muslims are reasonably believed to be resident in the country (Pew put the total at 4.7 million back in 2010 – other analysts peg it higher today). To many in France, the number seems higher, due to both the outsize influence of Islamist activists on the political class and the dense Muslim communities in and around Paris – approximating 15 percent of the local population. An online poll conducted by Ipsos Mosi in 2014 found that the average French citizen believes Muslims make up about a third of the country’s population.
As night follows day, when Muslim populations surge, so does support for jihadism and the sharia supremacist ideology that catalyzes it. The reason is plain to see, even if Western elites remain willfully blind to it: For a not insignificant percentage of the growing Muslim millions in Europe, infiltration – by both mass immigration and the establishment of swelling Islamic enclaves – is a purposeful strategy of conquest, sometimes referred to as “voluntary apartheid.”
One of its leading advocates is Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi. A Qatar-based Egyptian octogenarian, Qaradawi is a Muslim Brotherhood icon. He is a copiously published scholar graduated from Cairo’s al-Azhar University, the seat of Sunni Islamic learning for over a millennium, and thus oversees both the International Union of Muslim Scholars and the European Council for Fatwa and Research. Thanks to his pioneering of the highly trafficked IslamOnline website and, especially, to his hugely popular al-Jazeera television program, Sharia and Life, he has become the world’s most influential sharia jurist.
Qaradawi is the sharia backbone of the violent jihad to exterminate Israel – a tiny country surrounded by hundreds of millions of hostile Muslims. The sheikh also vows that Islam will “conquer” both Europe and America, but acknowledges that this conquest will require a strategy more suited to a determined minority that knows it cannot win by force of arms. The key, he asserts, is dawa, the Muslim equivalent of proselytism. In radical Islam, it is hyper-aggressive, pushing on every cultural cylinder, pressuring every institution, and exploiting the atmosphere of intimidation created by jihadist terror to blur the lines between legal advocacy and extortion.
In France, dawa presses against laïcité, the credo of secularism through the strict separation of religion and the state. Qaradawi is quite clear that “secularism can never enjoy a general acceptance in an Islamic society.” He is equally adamant that Muslims, who are bound to live in accordance with the strictures of sharia, must reject a secular framework because “acceptance of secularism means abandonment of sharia, a denial of the divine guidance and a rejection of Allah’s injunctions.” Thus, he elaborates, “The call for secularism among Muslims is atheism and a rejection of Islam. Its acceptance as a basis for rule in place of sharia is downright apostasy.”
This nexus between free speech and Western democracy is worth pausing over. Notice that, in focusing on the incompatibility between Islamic law and democracy’s secular, pluralist underpinnings, Qaradawi draws the inevitable conclusion that democracy equals apostasy. The term apostasy is not invoked idly in radical Islam. As explained in Reliance of the Traveller, a classic sharia manual endorsed by al-Azhar scholars, the renunciation of Islam is a death penalty offense.
Free speech does not exist in a vacuum. It is the plinth of freedom’s fortress. It is the ineliminable imperative if there is to be the robust exchange of knowledge and ideas, the rule of reason, freedom of conscience, equality before the law, property rights, and equality of opportunity. That is why it must be extinguished if there is to be what Qaradawi calls a “place of religion” – meaning his religion. For all its arrogance and triumphalist claims, radical Islam must suppress speech because it cannot compete in a free market of conscience.
To sustain their movement, therefore, Islamist leaders must separate Muslims from secular society. In the West, this means forming Islamic enclaves in which sharia gradually takes root as the de facto and, eventually, the de jure law – enabling Muslims to resist the challenge of critical thinking under the guise avoiding the near occasion of apostasy. Over time, dominion is established over swaths of not only physical territory but legal privilege. Qaradawi puts the matter succinctly:

Were we to convince Western leaders and decision-makers of our right to live according to our faith — ideologically, legislatively, and ethically — without imposing our views or inflicting harm upon them, we would have traversed an immense barrier in our quest for an Islamic state.
The key to the conquest strategy is to coerce the West into accepting a Muslim right to resist assimilation, to regard sharia as superseding Western law and custom when the two conflict. For precisely this reason, the Organization of Islamic Cooperation – a bloc of 56 Muslim countries (plus the Palestinian Authority) – has decreed that “Muslims should not be marginalized or attempted to be assimilated, but should be accommodated.” Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Islamist president of Turkey who has systematically dismantled that country’s secular, pro-Western system, similarly pronounces that pressuring Muslims to assimilate in the West “is a crime against humanity.”
Free expression is the gateway to assimilation. Consequently, radical Islam cannot tolerate it.
As a result, France is now rife with Zones Urbaines Sensibiles – “sensitive urban areas.” The government officially lists some 751 of them: Islamic enclaves in the banlieues, often referred to as “no go zones” because the indigenous populations discourage the presence of non-Muslims who do not conform to Islamic standards of dress and social interaction, and of public officials – police, fire-fighters, emergency medical teams, and building inspectors – who are seen as symbols of the state’s effort to exercise sovereignty in areas Muslims seek to possess adversely.
Some of these zones inevitably evolve into hotbeds of jihadist activity. As the Gatestone Institute’s Soeren Kern notes, there has been no shortage of Internet traffic suggesting, for example, “the killing of France’s ambassadors, just as the manly Libyan fighters killed the U.S. ambassador in Benghazi.” In a low-intensity jihadist thrum stretching back several years, the torching of automobiles has become a commonplace – as many as 40,000 cars burned annually. Perhaps most alarmingly, over a thousand French Muslims, more than from any other Western country, are estimated to have traveled to Syria to fight for ISIS – meaning many will return to the country as trained, battle-hardened jihadists. Beyond the direct ISIS participants, moreover, the Washington Post has reported that a recent poll found 16 percent of French citizens expressing some degree of support for ISIS – an organization whose rule over the vast territory it has seized is best known for decapitations, rapine, the execution of homosexuals, mass graves, and the enslavement of non-Muslim communities.
Once one grasps the voluntary apartheid strategy, it becomes obvious why radical Islam’s inroads in France, and elsewhere in Europe, seamlessly translate into demands for the enforcement of sharia’s curbs on speech and artistic expression. What is not so obvious is just how profound a challenge to the West this constitutes.




How France Became an Inviting Target of the Jihad | Ordered Liberty (http://pjmedia.com/andrewmccarthy/2015/11/14/how-france-became-an-inviting-target-of-the-jihad/?singlepage=true)

Did we kill them all or send them somewhere far away?

Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims.




The dilemma the West now faces is that it cannot survive on the basis of the platform which its elites have carefully constructed since WW2. They are being beaten to death with their own lofty statements. They must either continue to uphold the vision of open borders, multiculturalism, declining birthrates, unilateral disarmament and a growing state sector at all costs — in other words continue on the road to suicide — or retreat. As recent events at American campuses have shown, when faced with the choice of saving the Left and saving the actual world, the odds are that “the world” goes over the side first.

Paris attack forces West to look political orthodoxy in the face | Belmont Club (http://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2015/11/13/le-kobayashi-maru/)#


What about vetted ones who kill?



http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/paris-terror-attacks/passport-found-attack-site-came-through-greece-official-says-n463526

it's not the majority .....reactionary movements and revolutionary movements rarely are the majority initially .

But it's worse than you think .

Muslim Opinion Polls - Challenging the 'Tiny Minority of Extremists' Myth (http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/opinion-polls.htm)

I don't know than it is worse than I think Tom, I think that behind any muslim there stands the potential to engage in the mob mentality. What do you think the indoctrination of years of reciting a particular phase does?


Sort out the peaceful Muslims from the terrorist Muslims.

Wondergirl you have to get past the idea that they are peaceful I have said for a long time they represent a fifth column in western societies. You have seen how they behave in their own lands, what makes you think they will be different elsewhere? They want to turn every society they come in contact with into a clone of the place where they came from, some sort of sharia utopia where women are second class citizens. They possess no will to oppose the hardliners among them

I don't know than it is worse than I think Tom, I think that behind any muslim there stands the potential to engage in the mob mentality. What do you think the indoctrination of years of reciting a particular phase does?

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Wondergirl you have to get past the idea that they are peaceful I have said for a long time they represent a fifth column in western societies. You have seen how they behave in their own lands, what makes you think they will be different elsewhere? They want to turn every society they come in contact with into a clone of the place where they came from, some sort of sharia utopia where women are second class citizens. They possess no will to oppose the hardliners among them

DAMN Straight George. My daughter went to college with a Muslim girl and were best of friends but as soon as she married that friendship was over not on my daughters part either. My daughter was very upset about it, there were gifts to her kids , etc. I guess the faith is stronger than friendship with a non-Muslim.
We are so PC, I just noticed when I printed out non-muslim as I just did it was underscored as incorrect. So much sucking up to those people, sickening. If any one on here takes offense to what I have said, "Go Pound Sand".

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Wondergirl you have to get past the idea that they are peaceful I have said for a long time they represent a fifth column in western societies. You have seen how they behave in their own lands, what makes you think they will be different elsewhere? They want to turn every society they come in contact with into a clone of the place where they came from, some sort of sharia utopia where women are second class citizens. They possess no will to oppose the hardliners among them

This is true .

The jihadis' master plan to break us | New York Post (http://nypost.com/2015/11/15/the-jihadis-master-plan-to-break-us/)

Insisting that the Islamic State has “nothing to do with Islam” is likely to strike Americans following the news as detached from reality.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/29/john-kerry-is-calling-the-islamic-state-by-the-wrong-name-and-its-helping-the-islamic-state/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/12/29/john-kerry-is-calling-the-islamic-state-by-the-wrong-name-and-its-helping-the-islamic-state/
That's a year old.

That's a year old.

Might be a year old, but it is just as valid today as yesteryear.

Might be a year old, but it is just as valid today as yesteryear.
Please supply a recent quote by him.

Please supply a recent quote by him.

ok . His recent comment on the Paris attacks :

"I want to make sure that it is absolutely crystal clear that the United States stands with France and the rest of the world in our resolve to eliminate the scourge of violent extremist groups from the face of the Earth.”



He still refuses to name them by name . ... and the emperor told us the day before the attack that the Islamic State was contained .

https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/misc/quote_icon.png Originally Posted by catonsville https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/images/buttons/viewpost-right.png (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/paris-again-818256-5.html#post3753211)
Might be a year old, but it is just as valid today as yesteryear.




Please supply a recent quote by him.


The isn't a lot of discussion of the ideology of Daesh, no one wants to attribute credibility to them, world leaders began using this acronym about a year ago. By the way we don't hang on every word of John Kerry

Please supply a recent quote by him.

Picky, Picky I said it was as valid. Have you heard anything, that makes my statement invalid?

The isn't a lot of discussion of the ideology of Daesh, no one wants to attribute credibility to them, world leaders began using this acronym about a year ago. By the way we don't hang on every word of John Kerry


How about Bolshevik Barry Sanders ? Yesterday he said that climate change causes terrorism.

Yes you said that before what does that have to do with daesh ideology or in fact anything at at, just a politician trying hard to be relevant

Little do the moon god worshipers know... but THIS is what they have waiting for them.


~47965

Yes there must be a reason why all those virgins are waiting around

ISIS is a cult, thugs and criminals intent on using drive by methods and religious rhetoric to scare you dummy haters into just the over reaction you have exhibited.

Like that fool who wanted to start a race war by shooting up a black church in Carolina. One guy who took action. 8 guys in Paris who took action traced to thugs in Belgium and Brussels, so far.

You guys just keep dreaming of a religious war just like they want you too. At least the French reaction is a lot more measured and intelligent, going after the thugs and maybe you should pay attention to that.

ISIS is a cult, thugs and criminals intent on using drive by methods and religious rhetoric to scare you dummy haters into just the over reaction you have exhibited.
you are crazy . They now control as much ,or more territory as many European states.


Like that fool who wanted to start a race war by shooting up a black church in Carolina. One guy who took action. 8 guys in Paris who took action traced to thugs in Belgium and Brussels, so far.

In a couple weeks they blew up a Russian commercial airliner ,set off bombs in Beirut ,and killed over 130 people ,wounding twice that many in Paris. So no ,this is much bigger than a so called lone wolf individual. They have slaughtered thousands in the areas they have captured . You are the one who needs perspective .


You guys just keep dreaming of a religious war just like they want you too. At least the French reaction is a lot more measured and intelligent, going after the thugs and maybe you should pay attention to that.
It is not US that want a religious war . It is the jihadists that do.
The French reaction has been fine ...they attacked Raqqa to start a broader military campaign against the Islamic jihadists that must not be named . The territory they have taken in Iraq and Syria need to be taken from them .

you are crazy . They now control as much ,or more territory as many European states.

Mostly desert, How ISIS Rules by Sarah Birke | The New York Review of Books (http://www.nybooks.com/articles/archives/2015/feb/05/how-isis-rules/), and if you add the other "cities" it's no different than gansters running there hood.


In a couple weeks they blew up a Russian commercial airliner ,set off bombs in Beirut ,and killed over 130 people ,wounding twice that many in Paris. So no ,this is much bigger than a so called lone wolf individual. They have slaughtered thousands in the areas they have captured . You are the one who needs perspective.

Nice rant but this is pretty close to my own perspective, ISIS’s Gruesome Muslim Death Toll - The Daily Beast (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/10/07/isis-s-gruesome-muslim-death-toll.html)

Now the report also details ISIS' horrific actions against Christians, Yazidis, and other minorities. But these events—along with the grisly beheadings of American journalists and Western aid workers- have been covered extensively by our media.
The killing of Muslims has not, and part of the reason may be because we lacked facts surrounding those events. After all, ISIS releases videos of its gruesome actions that it wants the world media to discuss but doesn't publicize events it understands can hurt its cause.

Of course you don't want your own narrative of a war against Islam to be undercut, I know Smoothy doesn't, or the rest of the narrow minded who feed the notion that ISIS is some great NATION with many followers. It's NOT, and why you would elevate local thugs to the great heights beyond what they deserve. It's that very perspective that inspires other fools to carry out the same headline grabbing tactics we have seen across the globe.

That includes your own dismissal of a "lone wolf" attack on the church a while back. The crazy fool was INSPIRED by racists, and separatists he admired in his twisted mind. Funny how easily we can ignore that part of our own society, while decrying it in others. We have already had TWO posters here say the KKK, the mafia, and bikers aren't that bad before you get your drawers all twisted.


It is not US that want a religious war . It is the jihadists that do.

Can't agree more!


The French reaction has been fine ...they attacked Raqqa to start a broader military campaign against the Islamic jihadists that must not be named . The territory they have taken in Iraq and Syria need to be taken from them .

It wasn't JUST a French reaction.

Raqqa activists reveal details of French airstrikes on Syria | World news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/16/raqqa-activists-french-airstrikes-syria-isis-paris-attacks)

and if you add the other "cities" it's no different than gansters running there hood.
how many of those gangsters are in the political leadership of the city .Your comparison would be true if the gangsters were the mayors ,on the city council and running the police forces . That is what the Islamic state does in the cities they have captured . They make the official laws of the city .

Of course you don't want your own narrative of a war against Islam to be undercut,
Yeah that was Evita's big lie in the debate . She was asked about the Republican talk of war with RADICAL Islam ;and she went on to say why she did not think wqe are at war with Islam. This is the same cr@p0la you guys do with illegal immigrants ....you talk about "immigrants " without making the distinction.

I'm surprised the French reaction has been so measured. They obviously have enough information to know that there are a number of undesirables in their midst. Weapons including a rocket launcher have been seized, but what is once again being avoided, Tal, is the plot was hatched in a place inhabited by muslims and the attack was made against non muslims by muslims. Sure they may also have been small time criminals, it seems that these displaced peoples turn to crime however they possessed military weapons so they were more than petty criminals

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-16/molenbeek-connection-under-spotlight-after-paris-attacks/6944736

Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammed blames ISIS attacks on racism (http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/backlash-as-aussie-mufti-blames-is-attacks-on-racism/story-fns0jze1-1227611857413)

In an appalling piece the Chief Muslim of Australia has said we bring these things upon ourselves. It is very telling that he doesn't condemn terrorism but thinks it is a valid response. This is why we should not trust muslims

I'm surprised the French reaction has been so measured. They obviously have enough information to know that there are a number of undesirables in their midst. Weapons including a rocket launcher have been seized, but what is once again being avoided, Tal, is the plot was hatched in a place inhabited by muslims and the attack was made against non muslims by muslims. Sure they may also have been small time criminals, it seems that these displaced peoples turn to crime however they possessed military weapons so they were more than petty criminals

Paris attacks: Belgium connection probed as terrorist past of Brussels district of Molenbeek under spotlight - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-11-16/molenbeek-connection-under-spotlight-after-paris-attacks/6944736)

Young people everywhere in the world are potential criminals... we call them gangs here, and they have access to as many weapons (and money) as they need for whatever criminal activity they so choose. Especially in a ghetto and that's exactly what Brussels is.


Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammed blames ISIS attacks on racism (http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/backlash-as-aussie-mufti-blames-is-attacks-on-racism/story-fns0jze1-1227611857413)

In an appalling piece the Chief Muslim of Australia has said we bring these things upon ourselves. It is very telling that he doesn't condemn terrorism but thinks it is a valid response. This is why we should not trust muslims

You distrust even the Muslims who have said exactly what you wanted to hear, Clete?

Grand Mufti Ibrahim Abu Mohammed blames ISIS attacks on racism (http://www.news.com.au/national/politics/backlash-as-aussie-mufti-blames-is-attacks-on-racism/story-fns0jze1-1227611857413)

In an appalling piece the Chief Muslim of Australia has said we bring these things upon ourselves. It is very telling that he doesn't condemn terrorism but thinks it is a valid response. This is why we should not trust muslims

This is exactly why smart people distrust Muslims... unlike most who lie... this one proved what most of us correctly believe about them.

They believe they are entitled to kill all non-Muslims. And that institutionalized sexual slavery (arraigned marriages) and pedophilia is acceptable. (again its not uncommon to marry off girls before or just after her first period (still a child) in many Muslim countries.

[talaniman;3753434]Young people everywhere in the world are potential criminals... we call them gangs here, and they have access to as many weapons (and money) as they need for whatever criminal activity they so choose. Especially in a ghetto and that's exactly what Brussels is.

Tal there is a vast difference your young thugs are not motivated by a death cult religion but by drugs and heddonism


you distrust even the Muslims who have said exactly what you wanted to hear, Clete?[/

I have to say this to you, what sort of idiot are you? Are there many like you where you live? Of course I distrust those who apologise for terrorists, for all I know he is a terrorist sympathiser, recruiter and fund raiser. I am not blind, I am not deaf, I know that such persons exist among the muslim community, some in high places

I don't think these Arab/Persian thugs truly understand terror. I have been saying this since 1979 so it won't come as a surprise to most of you. We have been at peace with Japan since September 2, 1945, when we demonstrated terror. It's time Tehran gets its nuclear weapon.

Old Ben was right.

We are all born ignorant, but, one must work hard to remain stupid~ Ben Franklin ~

I don't think these Arab/Persian thugs truly understand terror. I have been saying this since 1979 so it won't come as a surprise to most of you. We have been at peace with Japan since September 2, 1945, when we demonstrated terror. It's time Tehran gets its nuclear weapon.

And what do you think they will do with it, nuke Racca or nuke Washington? What an Iranian nuke would do is cause Washington to curb its aggessive tendencies. A nuclear device is only a deterrent when used otherwise it is an ornament. The world has enough nuclear trophies and these trophies have not caused the terrorists to run and hide

Tal there is a vast difference your young thugs are not motivated by a death cult religion but by drugs and heddonism

The reasons are irrelevant, and that's if I buy your motives which I doubt would apply as widely as you think among the youth of the ISIS followers. You fail to even acknowledge the conditions of poverty especially among the adolescents on a global scale and it's long term effects which as usual makes your blathering both short and narrow, inaccurate, and poorly formed but not surprising given your history of spewing derogatories and those you hate.


I have to say this to you, what sort of idiot are you? Are there many like you where you live? Of course I distrust those who apologise for terrorists, for all I know he is a terrorist sympathiser, recruiter and fund raiser. I am not blind, I am not deaf, I know that such persons exist among the muslim community, some in high places

Once you acknowledge you know nothing it will free you from fear fueled speculation and while there are many like you where I am, thankfully they are an ever swindling minority. I didn't ask your opinion of the fellow of your article Clete, but if you read the question it specifically asked about those Muslims who had distanced themselves the fellow.

My bad, I should have known not to ask a reasonable question of one who lives in such a small box.

Let me try to add a bit of insight to your narrow fear induced view

Paris Terror: Why ISIS Needs The 'Useful Idiots' Who Demonize Muslims (http://www.nationalmemo.com/paris-terror-why-isis-needs-the-useful-idiots-who-demonize-muslims/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20Memo%20-%202015-11-17&utm_term=MM_frequency_six)


Every imbecile who threatens Muslims is an unwitting agent of ISIS; in fact, it would be unsurprising to learn that ISIS itself is covertly promoting such messages in order to intensify enmity between the peoples of the Quran and the rest of the world. Certainly that is among the primary objectives of attacks like last week's atrocities in Paris.

And what do you think they will do with it, nuke Racca or nuke Washington? What an Iranian nuke would do is cause Washington to curb its aggessive tendencies. A nuclear device is only a deterrent when used otherwise it is an ornament. The world has enough nuclear trophies and these trophies have not caused the terrorists to run and hide

I think you misunderstood HOW they would get it.

We gave one to Hiroshima and another to Nagasaki. Think more along those terms


Let me try to add a bit of insight to your narrow fear induced view

Paris Terror: Why ISIS Needs The 'Useful Idiots' Who Demonize Muslims (http://www.nationalmemo.com/paris-terror-why-isis-needs-the-useful-idiots-who-demonize-muslims/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Morning%20Memo%20-%202015-11-17&utm_term=MM_frequency_six)

The person who wrote that piece is an idiot who is working on behalf of ISIS. Because Most Muslims support the terrorist element even if they themselves won't actually do the act.

And people that even partially agree with the terrorist mindset.. makes them no different.

Tom posted a link to that earlier with polls that prove it and I saw other polls years ago at the time taken in the 90's some of which might have been included in that aggregate. And there remains the fact... very little is being done by Muslims to take out this element... and they don't take them out because they agree with them.

And there remains the fact... very little is being done by Muslims to take out this element...

While your premise may be correct


and they don't take them out because they agree with them.

Your conclusion is flawed, as they don't have the capability as to act on their own against armed thugs. No more than any "neighborhood" in the world where the thug infests them. If they cannot trust a cop they don't call them, and that's only if they have a cop to call.

How easily you dismiss the FACT that many Muslims have publicly spoken against the terrorist because they DON'T agree with them at all. Rather silly to say even the actions of the few represents the feelings of the whole, especially when you use OLD "data" to do it with.

While your premise may be correct



Your conclusion is flawed, as they don't have the capability as to act on their own against armed thugs. No more than any "neighborhood" in the world where the thug infests them. If they cannot trust a cop they don't call them, and that's only if they have a cop to call.

How easily you dismiss the FACT that many Muslims have publicly spoken against the terrorist because they DON'T agree with them at all. Rather silly to say even the actions of the few represents the feelings of the whole, especially when you use OLD "data" to do it with.

Yes they do... the problem is they have to stick their necks out and they don't disagree with them nearly enough to do that.

Words are cheap... and there haven't even been very many of those used. And there has been precious little action taken. Which is what matters.

If they can stone a woman or girl to death for having sex out of wedlock or not wearing her burlap sack... they aren't too pure to take out terrorist supporters too.

No stoning here in Chicagoland. What would you want US Muslims to do?

You see we come back to the problem there are those who live in their traditional lands and those who have escaped. We would like those who have escaped in being very vocal in denouncing the outlandish views of the jihadists and publishing their refutation of the dogma. We would like the jihadist supporters and recruiters to be outed but we know that won't happen. Once there was a problem with nazi under the bed, then it was commies under the bed and now it's jihadi under the bed because minorities mistrust law enforcement and intellegence agencies

No stoning here in Chicagoland. What would you want US Muslims to do?

Wondergirl... you need to watch the news a lot closer. There have been more than a few honor killings and maiming's by muslims that have occurred over the years in the USA alone. Really, their mindset is... your daughter slept with "X" she dishonored her family and must pay for it,. now how does that justify killing her, beating her within an inch of her life, or setting her on fire, throwing acid on her... etc. ALL of which has happened by that nice bunch... not just in some Middle eastern hell hole. They do it in Europe too. See it frequently on the news.

Once in a while its someone from India doing it...but most often its a Muslim doing it.

No domestic violence by Americans in the US... NOOOOO... no rapes... naw... americans are pure as the driven snow even if a few crazies shoot up people in the public places.

No domestic violence by Americans in the US... NOOOOO... no rapes... naw... americans are pure as the driven snow even if a few crazies shoot up people in the public places.

You know what I reckon if we took american violence out of the picture and we took muslim violence out of the picture we would find that the world is a largely peaceful place. When you use the word "domestic" I'm unsure whether you mean violence committed in a household towards women, or violence committed inside your borders

You know what I reckon if we took american violence out of the picture and we took muslim violence out of the picture we would find that the world is a largely peaceful place. When you use the word "domestic" I'm unsure whether you mean violence committed in a household towards women, or violence committed inside your borders

Domestic violence is a term to denote violence within the household between related family members.


No domestic violence by Americans in the US... NOOOOO... no rapes... naw... americans are pure as the driven snow even if a few crazies shoot up people in the public places.

Most of these crazies end up being lefties.

Americans typically don't execute their daughters after proclaiming them sluts.

And most of the other violence... is rarely one sided and both parties share a blame in it.

Domestic violence is a term to denote violence within the household between related family members.

Yes that is my understanding too, so tal is saying americans have stopped beating their wives and kids, when did that happen?
?

Most of these crazies end up being lefties.

I'm assuming we are talking about muslims again but we could be talking about right wing nut jobs, or those smoking dope


Americans typically don't execute their daughters after proclaiming them sluts.


So what do they do with them?


And most of the other violence... is rarely one sided and both parties share a blame in it.

We weren't assigning blame. Tal, being in deniel, suggested it didn't exist, obviously you have evidence to the contrary

Yes that is my understanding too, so tal is saying americans have stopped beating their wives and kids, when did that happen?
?


I'm assuming we are talking about muslims again but we could be talking about right wing nut jobs, or those smoking dope



So what do they do with them?



We weren't assigning blame. Tal, being in deniel, suggested it didn't exist, obviously you have evidence to the contrary

Nope... most of the mass shootings, actually all of them since the Oklahoma city bombing (the last one pulled by a righty) have been by lefties.

We don't execute them... they usually send them to strict female only boarding schools. If they can afford it... or kick their butts out of the house and force her to make the baby daddy support them. He broke it he bought it.

I believe for every ONE mean spirited drunk that does beat on his wife or kids for no reason what so ever (or woman, its not gender specific I've known examples of both married to friends)... there are 100 husbands driven to the brink of insanity by a sharp tongued wife (PMS or any other reason) who doesn't know when its a great time to stop and shut up before he snaps and the whoopin commences. Or some know it all teenager with all the answers to everything doing it to either the father or mother or both.

A steriotypical answer, It is someoneelse's fault because I have no self control or I didn't teach my kids self control. We have all been on the wrong end of a sharp tongued wife, doesn't mean you solve the problem with a smack in the face, and we have all had to deal with idiot teenagers, while they might need a smackdown that should have been administered long ago. This is the age of self, the unholy trinity, self first, self second and self again.

No one is going to admit to the problem in our societies, we cannot be multicultural, we are not accepting of other cultures. We might eat their food but we don't embrace their religion. We don't worship cows or elephants, we don't worship the moon we only worship ourselves, We don't dress like we are hiding something because we all know from looking in the mirror there is nothing worth hiding, although I admit with some muslim women it is better they stay hidden. The thing is we aren't so up ourselves that we think killing someone is the only solution

A steriotypical answer, It is someoneelse's fault because I have no self control or I didn't teach my kids self control. We have all been on the wrong end of a sharp tongued wife, doesn't mean you solve the problem with a smack in the face, and we have all had to deal with idiot teenagers, while they might need a smackdown that should have been administered long ago. This is the age of self, the unholy trinity, self first, self second and self again.

No one is going to admit to the problem in our societies, we cannot be multicultural, we are not accepting of other cultures. We might eat their food but we don't embrace their religion. We don't worship cows or elephants, we don't worship the moon we only worship ourselves, We don't dress like we are hiding something because we all know from looking in the mirror there is nothing worth hiding, although I admit with some muslim women it is better they stay hidden. The thing is we aren't so up ourselves that we think killing someone is the only solution

SO the person PROVOKING the incident doesn't share a LOT of the blame? If they spent hours provoking it... they don't get to play the innocent victim card.

There ARE innocent victims... no doubt... but most of the rest had a hand in escalating things until violence was inevitable. That makesthem share blame in what results.

The problem comes down to someone being willing to walk away either for the moment or permanently. Most people will not concede in the heat of an argument

The problem comes down to someone being willing to walk away either for the moment or permanently. Most people will not concede in the heat of an argument True, and that's what makes them BOTH partially guilty in what results.

True, and that's what makes them BOTH partially guilty in what results.

You are blaming the victim and justifying the indefensible, what happened to the ideal of free speech? I see it doesn't apply in your world

You are blaming the victim and justifying the indefensible, what happened to the ideal of free speech? I see it doesn't apply in your world

If they instigated the incident over HOURS of screaming yelling and nagging... they aren't an innocent victim.

Claiming they are... is a disservice for those who truly are who didn't say or do anything at provoke it.

So by that logic... you scream and yell at your wife.. calling her fat, lazy and stupid... (plus dream up a few extra things or just pick little things she does that annoys you) DO that for days or weeks but don't actually touch her... and when you get your wiener hacked off in your sleep... then you are an innocent victim too?

If they instigated the incident over HOURS of screaming yelling and nagging... they aren't an innocent victim.

Claiming they are... is a disservice for those who truly are who didn't say or do anything at provoke it.

So by that logic... you scream and yell at your wife.. calling her fat, lazy and stupid... (plus dream up a few extra things or just pick little things she does that annoys you) DO that for days or weeks but don't actually touch her... and when you get your wiener hacked off in your sleep... then you are an innocent victim too?

You are avoiding the obvious, violence is never acceptable. There are people who lack self control who, for whatever reason, are not in control. I don't accept a woman has the right to say anything she likes because of PMT but nor do I think she should be assaulted. Nor do I think an abusive person should be assaulted. People need to learn to seek help and remove themselves from abusive situations. You are speaking to a person who has been through the mill on this as a child and also as an adult and I can tell you violence is never an acceptable solution, or justifible. Any person who uses violence in these situations is a suitable case for treatment

My point was we can find bad behavior anyplace by anyone, and call it whatever you like. I mean you holler about Muslims when there are a whole lot more other people doing bad things that have yet to be stopped or addressed... locally!

Just give it thought and hopefully you will evolve from your own fear that keeps you stuck in your own hate.

Paris (AND Beirut and Egypt) are big scary stories, sadly though not the only ones.

BREAKING NEWS

'Mastermind of Paris attacks Abdelhamid Abaaoud killed in anti-terror raid' | Zee News (http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/mastermind-of-paris-attacks-abdelhamid-abaaoud-killed-in-anti-terror-raid_1823784.html)

You are avoiding the obvious, violence is never acceptable. There are people who lack self control who, for whatever reason, are not in control. I don't accept a woman has the right to say anything she likes because of PMT but nor do I think she should be assaulted. Nor do I think an abusive person should be assaulted. People need to learn to seek help and remove themselves from abusive situations. You are speaking to a person who has been through the mill on this as a child and also as an adult and I can tell you violence is never an acceptable solution, or justifible. Any person who uses violence in these situations is a suitable case for treatment

And so have I... sometimes you have to stand your ground in order for it to stop. And doing that doesn't make you the bad guy.

My point was we can find bad behavior anyplace by anyone, and call it whatever you like. I mean you holler about Muslims when there are a whole lot more other people doing bad things that have yet to be stopped or addressed... locally!

Just give it thought and hopefully you will evolve from your own fear that keeps you stuck in your own hate.

Paris (AND Beirut and Egypt) are big scary stories, sadly though not the only ones.


BREAKING NEWS

'Mastermind of Paris attacks Abdelhamid Abaaoud killed in anti-terror raid' | Zee News (http://zeenews.india.com/news/world/mastermind-of-paris-attacks-abdelhamid-abaaoud-killed-in-anti-terror-raid_1823784.html)

I don't find Paris as scary as some just lamentable and contemptable and hate isn't the word for it. You have a presidential candidate who wants to shut down mosques and I agree that any institution where hate, as distinct from fact, is preached needs to have close attention paid to the individuals in it and that isn't confined to muslims. Right now you cannot avoid the obvious, the threat of serious mass violence eminates from the Muslims, and that threat doesn't just originate in the middle east, it has festered for a long time among individuals at a local level and its presence is not unknown but it is allowed to exist because of some stupid idea that a person should be allowed to say whatever they want, whenever they want without consequence.


And so have I... sometimes you have to stand your ground in order for it to stop. And doing that doesn't make you the bad guy.
If you use violence to a resolve an issue you are a bad guy

I don't find Paris as scary as some just lamentable and contemptable and hate isn't the word for it. You have a presidential candidate who wants to shut down mosques and I agree that any institution where hate, as distinct from fact, is preached needs to have close attention paid to the individuals in it and that isn't confined to muslims. Right now you cannot avoid the obvious, the threat of serious mass violence eminates from the Muslims, and that threat doesn't just originate in the middle east, it has festered for a long time among individuals at a local level and its presence is not unknown but it is allowed to exist because of some stupid idea that a person should be allowed to say whatever they want, whenever they want without consequence.


If you use violence to a resolve an issue you are a bad guy

Gandhi is the only human in history that ever made that work for him. Most of the others ended up dead because of it.

And you are never the "bad guy" for defending yourself.

And this is the attitude that gets everyone opposed to you, there is a difference between response to a violent attack and being the first to strike, but because of the aggressive attitude of your nation everyone thinks preemptive strikes are the way to go..

Ghandi had a point that should not be lost on a nation with Christian roots, but then he had his problems with muslims too