I am self employed walking a dog for my mom, for 10 dollars a day and possibly walking other dogs hopefully in future. I can get pay stub or keep record to file taxes if needed. Can my probation officer say. "that's not a job" or "that does not count." After all I am being paid for my time. Its not the best job but it's a job.

No it is not a real job, it is like a child on an allowance. You mom is not paying unemployment taxes, there is no social security taxes being paid, and so on.

You PO, (and almost the entire world) would agree this is not a job. Also most important it is not an approved job. Let say you became a bouncer at a strip club, the PO could say you not allowed to work there.

So go out and get a real job.

No it is not a real job, it is like a child on an allowance. You mom is not paying unemployment taxes, there is no social security taxes being paid, and so on.

You PO, (and almost the entire world) would agree this is not a job. Also most important it is not an approved job. Let say you became a bouncer at a strip club, the PO could say you not allowed to work there.

So go out and get a real job.

I would be filing taxes as self employed income not as employed by a business. I could save checks and receipts for taxes. How is that not employment? My conditions make no specification between self employed or employed by business. It just says gainfully employed. I eventually intend to acquire other customers even and be self employed walking dogs for a living. Under what authority can they dis allow self employment, it is not an indecent, immoral or a at risk field like a bar. Can I not own my own business? I did not see that in the paper work? At what dollar amount or profit level do you think it would take to be considered reasonably self employed, than? I am disabled and not even physically able to work most jobs. They couldn't tell adam kokesh that you tube did not count as a real job. Self employed does count as employed in other cases I have seen. I guess what I am getting at is under what conditions do they consider your self employment to be valid or not? Obviously they would consider a contractor, realtor or a lawyer self employed. Some people make damn good money tending dogs or running their own business. Would Caesar "the dog whisperer." not be considered employed? Obviously there has to be some allowance for self employed people.

$10 a day is not "gainfully employed."

Unfortunately guy no amount of argument or debate will change your PO's mind, so I strongly suggest you comply and find gainful employment to satisfy the court, while you pursue your own business.

I'd be gaining 300 a month consistently and on a regular basis from my employer... myself (self employed) or my customer's. And starting my own business with the prospect of growth.WIKI says gainful employment is: gainful employment refers to an employment situation where the employee receives consistent work and payment from the employer. If 10 $ a day does not count, than how many dollars a day would count? 20? 30? 40? 50? 60? 70? 80? 90? 100? The court can't order you to be a millionaire. I'm disabled, old, have a record. How much can they really expect from me.How about if I play the stock market, can I call myself a self employed day trader?I have no restitution and plenty of savings, what is the big f'n deal here. This is cruel and unusual punishment, this is forced slavery. I don't consider being a PO a real job either, but you don't see me criticizing them.

WIKI is not a reliable source.

Your PO is requiring that you get a legitimate job. Don't argue with us, argue with your PO.

Just get a REAL job like everyone said... or get ready to suffer the consequences of being violated by your PO (seems like that is EXACTLY what you want)... He has that latitude. You don't.

Argue with him and you are all but certain to lose. Nobody else buys your arguments either. Sorry to be so blunt but you don't appear to be listening to anything but what you want to hear.

It doesn't matter what anyone else thinks your PO is the one who is charged with compliance with your COURT ordered probation/parole. Instead of arguing, ask for help, or get a lawyer, or a doctor to define your disability.

Hell, a Walmart greeter may qualify you as gainfully employed and you can still walk your mama's dog. Your PO didn't put you at his discretion... you did.

To answer the question, as "asked" yes your PO can define and decide if a "job" is OK and if it follows the rules.
If you wish to piss him off, and argue, (I can tell why you have a PO from the arguments) Just pack your bag and go on to jail. A PO can find ways to send you back, if they get mad at you.
I know, I used to be a PO some years ago.

And if you had even 4 or 5 other customers that was not family members, you may convince someone that a dog walking business was employment.
But depending on the level of probation, (for what type of crime and what level this is) even any self employment may not be considered. They may want you to work for a company.

WIKI is not a reliable source.

Your PO is requiring that you get a legitimate job. Don't argue with us, argue with your PO.

So what amount of money counts as legitimately self employed to a PO I don't have one yet? Would 50$ a day count? I have the money to make whatever needs to happen, happen. What would it hurt if I gave money to other people I know out of the kindness of my heart, than since they like me they hire me to walk dogs or buy my paintings. I file taxes on the income, now I'm self employed making whatever amount a PO wants. I just need to know what that amount and procedure is.

I haven't spoke to the PO yet, I would like to head off his BS before it starts. And if I am unable to get a job I would like to have something else planned. I am looking for rules, regulations, laws or standard operating procedure on this issue. I would like to know what a PO considers validly self employed. Than whatever standard that is, I can meet it.

Do I have room to argue? Do I get leeway or some specific government regulated amount of time to find a job? I can't force a company to hire me. At best all I can do is fill out applications or become self employed. For someone who is disabled I find this to be a messed up requirement. I could probably be going on social security disability if I tried. Does that count to a PO? I don't understand how a cripple can be forced like this.

I'm not arguing, I am looking for the governments own rules and regulations for dealing with the issue so I know what to expect before I meet my PO. As I said, I want to head the bs off. And as I can't force a company to hire me. I don't have a job now. I would like to create my own and want to know what guidelines they go by. I am not looking for opinions, I am looking for laws , regulation ,standard procedures, and official policy.

You do not stop his BS. In fact you sit quiet and just listen.
There is no set amount, he will want a "job" normally where you work for someone and have specific hours, where he can get a report from them.

He may not accept any self employment as a "real job" You will have to keep a record of how many places you go in person and apply. You will have to keep a record of the resumes you sent out. Normally if you show a real and active search, you are OK, to the point that you can pay any probation costs, court fines and so on.

If you wish to argue about anything with the PO, you can expect him to try and find ways to send you to jail. And they are very very good at that.

To answer the question, as "asked" yes your PO can define and decide if a "job" is OK and if it follows the rules.
If you wish to piss him off, and argue, (I can tell why you have a PO from the arguments) Just pack your bag and go on to jail. A PO can find ways to send you back, if they get mad at you.
I know, I used to be a PO some years ago.

And if you had even 4 or 5 other customers that was not family members, you may convince someone that a dog walking business was employment.
But depending on the level of probation, (for what type of crime and what level this is) even any self employment may not be considered. They may want you to work for a company.

I appreciate your sincerity. I did nothing too serious just a little too much medicinal pot in possession.

So what amount of money counts as legitimately self employed to a PO I don't have one yet? Would 50$ a day count? I have the money to make whatever needs to happen, happen. What would it hurt if I gave money to other people I know out of the kindness of my heart, than since they like me they hire me to walk dogs or buy my paintings. I file taxes on the income, now I'm self employed making whatever amount a PO wants. I just need to know what that amount and procedure is.

I haven't spoke to the PO yet, I would like to head off his BS before it starts. And if I am unable to get a job I would like to have something else planned. I am looking for rules, regulations, laws or standard operating procedure on this issue. I would like to know what a PO considers validly self employed. Than whatever standard that is, I can meet it.

Do I have room to argue? Do I get leeway or some specific government regulated amount of time to find a job? I can't force a company to hire me. At best all I can do is fill out applications or become self employed. For someone who is disabled I find this to be a messed up requirement. I could probably be going on social security disability if I tried. Does that count to a PO? I don't understand how a cripple can be forced like this.

I'm not arguing, I am looking for the governments own rules and regulations for dealing with the issue so I know what to expect before I meet my PO. As I said, I want to head the bs off. And as I can't force a company to hire me. I don't have a job now. I would like to create my own and want to know what guidelines they go by. I am not looking for opinions, I am looking for laws , regulation ,standard procedures, and official policy.

So what amount of money counts as legitimately self employed to a PO I don't have one yet? Would 50$ a day count? I have the money to make whatever needs to happen, happen. What would it hurt if I gave money to other people I know out of the kindness of my heart, than since they like me they hire me to walk dogs or buy my paintings. I file taxes on the income, now I'm self employed making whatever amount a PO wants. I just need to know what that amount and procedure is.

I haven't spoke to the PO yet, I would like to head off his BS before it starts. And if I am unable to get a job I would like to have something else planned. I am looking for rules, regulations, laws or standard operating procedure on this issue. I would like to know what a PO considers validly self employed. Than whatever standard that is, I can meet it.

Do I have room to argue? Do I get leeway or some specific government regulated amount of time to find a job? I can't force a company to hire me. At best all I can do is fill out applications or become self employed. For someone who is disabled I find this to be a messed up requirement. I could probably be going on social security disability if I tried. Does that count to a PO? I don't understand how a cripple can be forced like this.

I'm not arguing, I am looking for the governments own rules and regulations for dealing with the issue so I know what to expect before I meet my PO. As I said, I want to head the bs off. And as I can't force a company to hire me. I don't have a job now. I would like to create my own and want to know what guidelines they go by. I am not looking for opinions, I am looking for laws , regulation ,standard procedures, and official policy.
Sounds like an argument to me. Just not a heated one (you don't have to be upset and angry to have an argument). They say do something and you try to counter with excuses and reasons you don't want to. In the eyes of a PO and most other people... (like parents as one example)... that is the definition of an argument.

If you spent as much time looking for a real job as you are spending looking for reasons NOT to get one. You will find one. It might not be a great one... but it will be a job and you aren't going to make your PO's sh*t list. Which means everything you do will be put under the microscope.

Two ways you can do this... comply without being argumentative... and stay under the radar... or draw attention to yourself and make them watch you like a hawk for any infraction.

Personally if it was me... I'd comply to the letter without trying to parse words or argue definitions... rather than make them WANT to prove what they have the power to do.

Eventually it will be over and you can walk dogs the rest of your life if you wish.

It all boils down to this....challenge their authority in any way (you are actually doing this by what you are trying to do)....and you challenge them to show you how hard they can make your probation/parole for you.

Parole/Probation isn't a negotiation, its part of the punishment. They lay out rules and conditions...you follow them to the letter. Fail to do that and they decide you haven't complied they can take steps that will result in extending it or even send you back to jail (when that applies).

I am sure no PO will base his report on your mama being your only customer and source of income, and you can at least document your efforts at gainful employment. To think you can claim being disabled without having gone through the process to verify such is CRAZY if you think a PO should take your word for it.

The PO is already operating within the laws and regulations of the government, so you better listen and act like you are complying. You have been informed already that walking your mama's dog is NOT legit. That's NOT going to change so find another option. One that can be checked, verified, and put in an official government report.

I sympathize. Despite your willingness to go against a PO. Sounds like probation for 'too much medicinal pot' is a bit much, if that's the real case. I am wondering why you are ordered to have a job if you are prescribed medicinal pot. And how does someone manage to get too much prescribed pot? If you got a genuine diagnosis, and not just a doc in a box prescription for vague pain, then you should be able to get out of work. Can you explain all that?

I would be conciliatory and ask for his advice. Rather than arm yourself with wiki facts and all sorts of legal mumbo jumbo, say that you have started some pocket change with the dog walking, while you search for more work. Fall yard work, perhaps.

I will have to go with the others, unless you are classified disabled by a doctor, with a illness that is a real disability. That is specifically defined, or have a medical condition where a medical doctor will testify you can not work. You can work at least to a PO. Your "statements" will mean nothing (he expects you to lie and do not expect him to believe a word you say)

Even a good PO is normally a . And most on the first meeting, will be an extreme , just to try to see what you will do.

Most are over worked and have no desire to play but just want to mark boxes on a paper and get you out of the office.

This appears to be a minor drug offense, so most likely, if you just say yes sir, no sir, you walk out of the office and that is it.

I sympathize. Despite your willingness to go against a PO. Sounds like probation for 'too much medicinal pot' is a bit much, if that's the real case. I am wondering why you are ordered to have a job if you are prescribed medicinal pot. And how does someone manage to get too much prescribed pot? If you got a genuine diagnosis, and not just a doc in a box prescription for vague pain, then you should be able to get out of work. Can you explain all that?

I would be conciliatory and ask for his advice. Rather than arm yourself with wiki facts and all sorts of legal mumbo jumbo, say that you have started some pocket change with the dog walking, while you search for more work. Fall yard work, perhaps.

Thanks to everyone for your help, maybe I am making a worse situation about it by thinking too much. I have a well documented medical history in a folder thicker than a bible. I was diagnosed by a workers comp doc once with little to no usefulness in my hands As well as a shattered skull and brain injury. I had to quit my job at the time as doc said I was unfit to work there, paid a large cash settlement. I was only 25 at the time and could afford to live off the settlement and did not apply for social security because I was told at that age if I could walk I wouldn't get it. 10 years has passed and my condition is now worse. I will just bring my medical history with me and see what they say.

Thanks everyone sorry if I sounded argumentative or like I was making excuses. You have all been helpful in helping me think about the situation, I will be as sweet as candy to whoever my handler is.

To everyone out there in computer land. BEWARE the supposed legalization of marijuana. In my experience my status as a patient was exploited like a Trojan horse by law enforcement to make up reasons to raid my home and steal my private property. Trump up charges and treat me like an enemy of the state despite my formerly patriotic nature. If you have a fire arm of any kind any where in your home even in a safe in storage that you have never even touched or even looked at and you are in the medical marijuana database, bad things will happen. It does not matter how law abiding you think you are or that you have no criminal record. If you are a marijuana patient you are a second class citizen and you have no rights, most of all no right to own a firearm of any kind, not use or brandish, simply own.Even if it is a civil war relic that you would never use and inherited from your grand dad. The law does not care and will use anything in a blown out of proportion way. My family lost a piece of its history simply so cops could trump up charges and get a plea deal. A patient with pot = a law suite for unlawful raid and civil rights violations. A patient with pot and a gun = a trial for being a drug dealer who has a gun with an 8 year mandatory minimum penalty. Which pleads out to a mis demeanor for possession, that gets erased after probation and forced slave labor, the confiscation of your property and money, not to mention, no more chance at law suite and proving your innocence in a fair setting that is not overblown.


Anyway thanks everyone, I have given you all your credit and helpful marks. Hey one last question, do you get or win any thing for getting a higher rating?

Well... like you said.. "Legalization" really isn't when Federal law Trumps all lower state or local laws... and because The FEDS never legalized it.

And what someone incorrectly THINKS is true (but isn't)... is what gets them in trouble most often.

You didn't get forced slave labor... you got a Slap on the wrist when you could have done hard time, instead of complaining about it, consider what you could have got had they not offered a plea deal . If you had been charged under Federal statutes... the mandatory minimum would be 5 years on the gun alone.

You had a chance at a trial... which is as fair as you will find anyplace in the world. You gave that up accepting a plea deal (admitting guilt for a lesser charge). If you was so certain of innocence you should have fought it.

And no it doesn't get erased... expunged is NOT erased (that's another common misconception). It will always be on your record. It just won't show up if you apply at Walmart to be a greeter for example. Apply at a Bank or certain other higher level security related jobs and it WILL show up. Or any future arrests if there are any.

You have a lot of misunderstandings you need to get better educated on... instead of harboring a grudge that you was picked on by the legal system.

That isn't meant in a mean way... but it will help you steer clear of trouble in the future. There is a lot of wrong information out there... being able to identify it will only work to your advantage.

I'm sure you have known plenty of examples of that you can relate to with other people you have known well. I think we all have.

Well... like you said.. "Legalization" really isn't when Federal law Trumps all lower state or local laws... and because The FEDS never legalized it.

And what someone incorrectly THINKS is true (but isn't)... is what gets them in trouble most often.

You didn't get forced slave labor... you got a Slap on the wrist when you could have done hard time, instead of complaining about it, consider what you could have got had they not offered a plea deal . If you had been charged under Federal statutes... the mandatory minimum would be 5 years on the gun alone.

You had a chance at a trial... which is as fair as you will find anyplace in the world. You gave that up accepting a plea deal (admitting guilt for a lesser charge). If you was so certain of innocence you should have fought it.

And no it doesn't get erased... expunged is NOT erased (that's another common misconception). It will always be on your record. It just won't show up if you apply at Walmart to be a greeter for example. Apply at a Bank or certain other higher level security related jobs and it WILL show up. Or any future arrests if there are any.

You have a lot of misunderstandings you need to get better educated on... instead of harboring a grudge that you was picked on by the legal system.

That isn't meant in a mean way... but it will help you steer clear of trouble in the future. There is a lot of wrong information out there... being able to identify it will only work to your advantage.

I'm sure you have known plenty of examples of that you can relate to with other people you have known well. I think we all have.

There was no complaint, no witnesses, no victim except me, nothing to lead them to me other than one day I was stopped and frisked in my own exclusive alley outside my house and I told them they broke the law and infringed on my civil rights with their illegal search. They said the owner of the house (me) had called to complain about (me) for suspicion of robbery to justify their unlawful and unconstitutional actions/harassment. Well that's odd. I basically told them I wasn't buying it to go harass someone else. They claimed they smelt pot somehow obtained a warrant based on that and raided my home. They preyed on my medical vulnerabilities and needs to settle a petty pissing contest.
My kangaroo court trial took two years and I can not nearly explain its entirety nor depravity. I had my limited resources, they had infinite resources. I went to court ready for the jury trial a number of times and every time the slimy DA would up the anti and add charges to intimidate me out of a trial by adding false and ridiculous charges. The only hint of doubt I had is all the gun grabbing hysteria all over the TV and the unrealistic way the DA portrayed me, as well as a police can do no wrong attitude that some types who might end up on my jury might have. Most Americans can't point out America on a world map let alone name the three branches of government. The system is rigged and off the constitutional reservation. By the time he (DA) was done a little pot and the civil war era relic gun that was stored in a safe, I didn't even have a key or access too, came up to 10 felonies 3 being mandatory 8 year minimum. About 30 years at risk. I could not take that big of risk, I don't trust my fellow man to do the right thing, that much. Now I know you are probably not a constitutional expert but please point out in the constitution the amendment to prohibit marijuana in any shape or form. They amended to prohibit alcohol than had to amend to change it back. So why not marijuana. The constitution says congress shall not abnegate its duties to some undue entity, yet it does so in the form of the FDA, I view this as government over reach and bureaucracies gone rogue and simply making the law up as they go. In the enumeration of powers clause. The constitution clearly says that the government is only granted powers expressly listed in the constitution, It has no right to assume powers not expressly granted or enumerated. This event is gross misuse and abuse of force and the politicizing of law. We are supposed to live in a constitutional republic. Not a mob mentality democracy in which laws and principals are the choice of whatever faction is in power. I will forever be a libertarian or a constitutionalist as a result and spend the rest of my life and wealth pushing for a reigning in of the corrupt fascistic police state. I will probably become one of those YouTube cop block activists that I am sure you hate, following around the pigs with camera's all day waiting for them to slip up and shoot and beat innocence and trample the constitution on film. They are F - ing parasites from the top down. If you enforce unconstitutional laws that makes you the criminal not me. They serve only themselves and the elite. They are mercenaries and usurpers against "we the people."

I'm "Lucky"
for the deal, no the DA just didn't have any confidence in his case and he knew I would sue the ever loving crap out of him if I won. So risk 30 years to get out of a small erasable misdemeanor just to sue, what would you do? I do regret not going to trial still, the risk was just too high, too exaggerated. The table to tilted.

I in no way condone any illegal activity or violence, this is not to be construed as a call to, suggestion or declaration of action of any kind. All accounts opinions, prior comments and stories are fictional. Please just assume I am a liar, especially if your the police and you take offense.

Federal law makes it illegal... its held up to challenged for decades and Federal law always supersedes lower laws when they are on the books... And there is no constitutional right to it specifically enumerated. Therefor one is not presumed to exist.

Well good luck with your argument, its not going to go far, its failed every time its been tried... the EPA doesn't even answer to hardly anyone at all. The FDA actually does at least. But the FDA doesn't make laws. The legislative branch does. Don't confuse rules with laws. (though in some cases they ARE easy to confuse)

"I will probably become one of those YouTube cop block activists that I am sure you hate, following around the pigs with camera's all day waiting for them to slip up and shoot and beat innocence and trample the constitution on film. They are F - ing parasites from the top down. If you enforce unconstitutional laws that makes you the criminal not me. They serve only themselves and the elite. They are mercenaries and usurpers against "we the people."

Now you are getting into a rant, not acceptable here.

Suggest moderator close this thread.

What state?
Have you talked to the ACLU or a pro bono law group or big law firm with room for pro bono?

What state?
Have you talked to the ACLU or a pro bono law group or big law firm with room for pro bono?

When you take a plea deal they make you sign your right to appeal or debate the issue further, away. They even make you say you were not coerced. The scripted dialog that you are being coerced to take part in and hear repeated over and over is eerily reminiscent of video's I have seen of the Viet Cong forcing soldiers in the Viet Nam war to confess to war crimes.

What I have learned is the law is what ever fantasy fabrication a DA can sell to a jury whilst conflating the issue and confusing them with accusations not evidence.

The statutes I was charged with was originally made for people selling baggies of crack on the corner with a gun or weapon in their pocket.

Every separate container of pot or hash despite having differentiating medical labels on them, to keep the different strains and medicines separate was charged as an individual count. Some with the attached special offender designation to increase the threat, thus how we come to 10 felonies and a risk factor of between 8-30 years depending on the judges mood. They also use the separate containers to bolster their claims of dealing. I guess they don't understand the concept of variety or different products having different targeted effects.

Depending on how much you pissed off the cops it now means, They can raid your home without probable cause for something they tell you is legal, than make up a case after the fact based on how they can manipulate a story about what they find. The crime scene is now considered to be your entire home. Even if you are not in it, as I was not, I was outside. The perfectly legal rec and med marijuana not even being used at the time now selectively becomes an illegal drug for the sake of prosecution. The statute reads with some pretty vague language "the possession of a weapon during the commission of a crime." So the crime could even be jaywalking with a pocket knife, or maybe even illegaly downloading music or even a cook book recipe while in your kitchen with knives. I have heard of the police claiming a knife in a kitchen drawer as the aggravating factor or weapon in other cases like mine. It is a complete stretching and misuse of language and circumstances. As they say, the police can indict a ham sandwich. Even sadder, It was not the feds that charged me it was the state. They can say something is a legal medical substance one minute and an illegal drug the next. The law is ambiguous, to get around your supposedly legal designation they just say you had INTENT to sell. That's right thought crimes. Apparently police are now mind readers.

This was in the lovely state of Colorado. They have a 99% conviction rate on issues like this as every one gets the same coercive treatment I did. Risk 30 years or take the deal. That is how they cover up their illegal activity and avoid lawsuit. Could you imagine how this would have played out if I did not bail out and get a lawyer, rather was stuck in jail the whole time with some public defender and no one on the outside who cared. Yet somehow they claim we are innocent until proven guilty. The legal system is full of blatant double speak.

ACLU and NAACP did not want to touch my case because they are Anti gun and I'm not a black man being beaten on film. They only take easy cases they can profit from.
NRA did not want to touch my case because they are Anti marijuana. As their base is conservative and they can't imagine someone who occasionally uses marijuana needing to defend themselves, or in my case own a civil war relic.

Sadly a jury would most likely be of the above disposition. They likely would like pot, hate guns or like guns and hate pot. Or worse hate guns and hate pot. So in my calculation jurors are 3/4 odds likely to hold some prejudice against me.
My lawyer said "think of people like your grandparents who were from the refer madness era and a time when people did not question their government, they will likely be the demographic of the jury, they will likely do what the judge and prosecutor tell them to do." If that doesn't scare you, what will. Another horrible out come could be a mis- trial and do it all over again, time, expense, everything. One other thing to note, is they also took a civil war era confederate flag as well out of the safe as "evidence", probably so they could try to portray me as a racist or in a gang.

I wonder what ever happened to that pistol and flag, am I to believe they really destroyed civil war relics that would collectively be worth 30- 40 thousand dollars. I bet that liberal agenda DA probably keeps them on his mantel as a trophy, as he snorts cocaine off a hookers ars in front of them to celebrate. Worry free of legal oppression of his own kind. Probably smoking my medication too.

Basically your fate is decided not by constitutional republic justice, but by a popularity contest based on fear and bias, even propaganda. Basically just mob rule. Look, there is even people calling to censor me here on this very humble web forum.

Even sadder, The mini dictator probation officer who is not a doctor by any means can simply order me not to take my medication that over 6 doctors have signed off on, So as they force me (a disabled person) to mandatory physical slave labor, They take away my medicine forcing my conditions to worsen and cause further debilitating pain. I now have seizures from my brain injury again on a regular basis... Yet somehow that is not considered cruel and unusual punishment or the government enforcing none enumerated powers.


There is really nothing that can be done about it, it just is what is. I went from a productive 37 year old with no prior record, who owned his own home and had a good job, To a financially crippled, physically and mentally crippled forced slave of a probation officer, that I must follow his every whim. Now with a criminal record. Not only that, but drug and love authority re-education classes, to rub it in. I now live back home with my family Thinking of ways to transcend the situation and help others all day long as I lay in a bed crippled with unnecessary pain. All because the law can be interpreted in any way they want. They just tell the jury your some gun toting, racist, right wing extremist, drug dealing, drugged up, potential mass shooter and they get whatever they want. America is now run by fear... not law, not the constitution. I feel similar to how a Jew must have felt in Nazi Germany as I now hide in my parents basement with fear to even go outside, as there is crazed politicians, bureaucrats and cops out there looking to hunt, kill, oppress, jail, extort, ransom and slave me (the infirm) for whatever reason they can use to marginalize or demonize me as a second class citizen with no rights. Being on probation has just added infinitely to the list of things they can construe illegal or demonize me for. We need to take our country back people. These politicians and cops certainly don't have public safety or well being in mind when they make and enforce laws like this with penalties like this. Who or what is there to protect we the people from them?

(of course only through legal, none violent means, this is not a call to action or a declaration of any future action. I in no way support, commit, condone or call for any illegal activity.)

Well stated.
For starters, I would go to the media over the gun and get it back. And Facebook. Facebook power of numbers have helped many local causes. If you have a picture of the gun, even better.
That might start the whole story going.

If you weren't willing to fight for your rights and ACCEPTED a plea deal, then don't complain about where you end up. Do as you're told and quit complaining. From what I have read, you don't want to go to court, you don't want to be forced to work, you don't want to file for SSI the right way, just self medicate, and rant woe is me!

You can afford 6 doctors and dope without working but can't afford a lawyer? Seizures and no hospitals? DUDE!!
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If you weren't willing to fight for your rights and ACCEPTED a plea deal, then don't complain about where you end up. Do as you're told and quit complaining. From what I have read, you don't want to go to court, you don't want to be forced to work, you don't want to file for SSI the right way, just self medicate, and rant woe is me!

You can afford 6 doctors and dope without working but can't afford a lawyer? Seizures and no hospitals? DUDE!!
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Misconstrue much? I clearly mentioned that I did have a lawyer and even quoted him. Never said I haven't sought medical attention for seizures either, were do you think the evil "dope" prescription comes from? It is the best known medical remedy for my condition. I have seen 6 doctors over a period of 10 years. Are you a doctor, who are you to give medical advice? Let me guess, a PO. Are you saying I should just stay as an in patient at the hospital rather than use medication that works and live a normal life? Because that sounds pretty impractical. What's the wrong way to apply for SSI? I just said I hadn't yet, not that I had tried and failed. I didn't need to before, as I was working ( self employed, a job I could do with my disabilities) and had savings. Also a settlement from workers comp. The police destroyed a very important and expensive piece of equipment that I rented out for a living in the raid which cost me my business. I lost it and nearly all savings as a result of this experience. They even carelessly trashed my home during the raid and now I'm being sued by the lender. I guess How petty of me being crippled and my medication being withheld by force, thus worsening my condition, for not wanting to rush out and get some schitty manual labor job and thinking about going on SSI when the rest of my savings run out. Sorry if I hurt your feelings Mr. cop. Some one sure does not like to hear the truth about the corruption and coercion of the justice system and how it ruins lives and targets the infirm. Probably because they are the same person ruining lives and putting people in the hospital. Just like a cop you try to take anything no matter how benign, misconstrue it and turn it into demonization, to blame the victim. Shame on you... The whole world is watching... This is what a police state looks like. Who would take their case to trial over some pot and risk 8-30 years when people like you who refer to medicine as "Dope" could be on their jury? I might be dumb, but I'm not dumb enough to take that gamble over a petty possession ticket. I can tell the world this story about blatant tyranny and government abuse a lot easier out of jail. The minor ding as opposed to 10 felonies only adds to my credibility and coercion claims. Why else would a DA who thinks he has a solid 10 felony trial dismiss 9 charges and accept 1 misdemeanor? That's a 0/10 felony success rate. Make false accusations much? Anyone can see he is abusing his power to set charges, in order to coerce me out of a fair trial. Its a problem that is not all that un common.

Dude... and trust me I am trying to be as nice as I can when I say this... but take a step back and listen to yourself.

Now Imagine that was someone else saying all that stuff. What would you think?. Paranoid comes to mind.

I've been in and around the government for most of the 34 years since I graduated college. (Nope, never as a cop or in the Justice system)

I've learned to not trust any politician any further than I can throw them, and don't take the media at their word anywhere... but I've also learned its NOT nearly as bad as you make it out to be from years of living outside the USA. It's worse there and you have a lot fewer rights there... want an Example... Amanda Knox. They kept putting her on trial again and again for the same thing despite having the first conviction thrown out... and winning others..

THAT won't happen here... and be glad it doesn't. There is ZERO chance of them putting you back on trial because someone thinks you didn't do enough time. That actually can and does happen in some other countries. But not here.

Dude... and trust me I am trying to be as nice as I can when I say this... but take a step back and listen to yourself.

Now Imagine that was someone else saying all that stuff. What would you think?. Paranoid comes to mind.

I've been in and around the government for most of the 34 years since I graduated college. (Nope, never as a cop or in the Justice system)

I've learned to not trust any politician any further than I can throw them, and don't take the media at their word anywhere... but I've also learned its NOT nearly as bad as you make it out to be from years of living outside the USA. It's worse there and you have a lot fewer rights there... want an Example... Amanda Knox. They kept putting her on trial again and again for the same thing despite having the first conviction thrown out... and winning others..

THAT won't happen here... and be glad it doesn't. There is ZERO chance of them putting you back on trial because someone thinks you didn't do enough time. That actually can and does happen in some other countries. But not here.

that's like comparing a solid turd sandwich, to a juicy diarrhea burrito. Sometimes the grass is not green at all on either side.
but here is two inconvenient facts. That indicate America is the worlds leading police state.

1.America houses the most prisoners of any country on earth. A 1/4 of all prisoners on earth.

2.American police kill the most of their own citizens out of all countries on earth. At around 1200 per year that's a rate of 8x more than terrorist kill Americans. Compared to china killed 12 Chinese people same year despite having a population 4x that of America. Here's a link to an article that exposes the differences between America and other countries.

By the numbers: US police kill more in days than other countries do in years | US news | The Guardian (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jun/09/the-counted-police-killings-us-vs-other-countries)

BTW they do charge people multiple times making for multiple trials they just change the wording or charge for something similar. Like the difference between pot and hash. They have many different ways. Like in my case they charge per container. So later they say these are new charges for these different containers that were left off last time or at first. There are dispensary owners that have been brought to trial 3 or more times. After winning their first 2 or more trials. Jovan Jackson is one of them Charlie lynch is another, there are more.


In my case they raided me twice. After the first time I moved out. Than later about 2 months after they swat raided me a second time at another location, to serve me with a warrant for new added charges (the weapon charge) stemming from the first raid. The first raid they did not even have a warrant for my arrest, that's how little evidence they had. I had to go to jail and bond out twice. They could have done it all at once the first time, but they wanted to f with me and make me pay twice the bond, they were probably hoping I would not have it the second time. Luckily they could combine all the charges into one trial. I have heard of them giving people multiple charges and not combine. Basically they were in court nearly every day. Both times I was raided by full swat teams driving m-rap army tanks. The first time they used the vehicle to destroy the home, beyond repair. Second time ripped me out of a shower naked at gun point. each time they say stop resisting though I am not resisting as they punch me in the face and rip my arm off. I don't think I am mischaracterizing Americas police state problem one bit. My trial after everything factored in has run up a bill of around 150,000$. I mean seriously all that's just a little crazy for 1 misdemeanor, don't you think? My attorney was not the best by any means either, or even good. 0/10 felony convictions in my opinion = total fail for the DA. That is the definition of false accusation. What ever happened to the 90's when they just gave you the damn misdemeanor ticket charged you a 50$ fine, you paid it and where on your way. Come on 150,000 in damage, fines, lost property, attorney bill, 2xbail etc.... Raided and swat teamed twice by army tanks. Jailed for over 2 weeks, probation, re-education classes. Destroyed my business and means of income. Inhuman denial of medical treatment for a permanent condition. Mental stress over the last two years. All the civil rights violations. The list goes on. I think that's a little much for 1 misdemeanor. They should pay me restitution at the rate of at least 20'000 for every failed felony charge. and since I was only found guilty of a misdemeanor they should give me my families gun and flag back. What ever happened to the penalty fitting the crime or no excessive punishment.