What is God's will regarding the use of birth control?

HANK :)

What is God's will regarding the use of birth control?

HANK :)
This is a somewhat controversial question. And in spite of the claims some make the Bible does not give a difinitive answer. Because in those times birth control did not exist. My suggestion would be to pray seriously and seek God's guidance. When he gives you peace about it you will have the best answer you can get. Regardless of what it might be. It may not even be the same as mine(intentionally not given.) But since I can't give you a biblical proof for my position, I can only say to seek God's will for what he wants you to do.
Best wishes,
Walt

I guess that depends which God you worship.

Hi,
Prayer is the most powerful force in the Universe.
Pray for direction, to "God as you understand him/her", and you will find your answer to birth control as God's will.
Some spiritual followers believe in it, others don't.
It all depends on your own Spiritual beliefs.
Best wishes,
fredg

Birth control is entirely up to the mother, no ifs ands or buts.
It is not sinful, it is not wrong, and some imaginary god has nothing to do with it. Don't forget: morals, guilt, right and wrong, sin and good... these
are all judgements made by men because they think it's the right thing at the time.

One way to look at the problem is in terms of situational vs. absolute ethics. The human being is an evolving creature. So what might seem right at, say, 15 yrs. Might seem wrong to the very same person at, say, 55 yrs. Now, how God views these things when someone is at age 15 or 55 yrs. I don't think we can say. But even if it is wrong at any age, we must remember that God is a loving and merciful God.

I think it is against the laws of nature to do birth control.

Well, I'd say that men and women are also spiritual beings with a great deal of freedom to choose, so it might be more appropriate to view this in terms of an ethical, rather than as a natural vs. unnatural issue.

With regard to the laws of nature, are these scientific laws? Do some scientific laws change over time? Are some scientific laws at least partially dependent on the way we look at the world?

Hi,
"Against the laws of Nature to use birth control"?
Is it against the laws of Nature to starve to death?
Some countries have many, many people with no food...
Birth control could possibly help them to keep from multiplying like rabbits!
Best wishes,
fredg

I believe in birth control, also abortion, one second before conception

I think birth control depends on the parents. If you are not ready then do not bring forth children into this world because they will just suffer.

I don't believe that the mere use of contraception, with the possible exception of IUDs, in and of itself is contrary to God's law. Abortion, however, is not contraception ; it is a surgical procedure performed after the fact. Keep in mind that very rarely is any form of birth control totally guaranteed and fail-proof. Ever hear of a "miracle baby" ; you know, when mom says "I used a diaphragm and he used a condom but I still got pregnant?" I've even heard stories of women who've had tubal ligations getting pregnant and having babies, when the fallopian tubes that had been cut and tied fused themselves back together again. Although such occurrences are rare they do happen. Remember, God has a sense of humor and you don't necessarily want to be the butt of one of his jokes.

Birth control is entirely up to the mother, no ifs ands or buts.


Doesn't the father have any rights at all? After all, if he's the one who has to pay financial support and is expected to take an equal 50-50 role in raising the child then he should have a say in things as well.

By 'birth control' do you mean 'contraception prevention.'? One biblical reference to this is the case of Onan.


Genesis 38:9
9 And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilledCoitus interruptus had a heavy price tag.



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This was a different thing all together. He was not killed for spilling it on the ground. It was totally, and wholly because of disobedience.

This was a different thing all together. He was not killed for spilling it on the ground. It was totally, and wholly because of disobedience.


Read the text: "Tthe thing which he did displeased the LORD".

It was not the thing he did not do. He practised birth prevention when he should have impregnated his sister-in-law.

Forgive the emphasis, but it matters that you let the text speak for itself.



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This is taken from the following URL: http://www.gotquestions.org/birth-control.html. Hope it helps. It is a lengthy respone.

Question: "What does the Bible say about birth control? Should Christians use birth control?”

Answer: Man was commissioned by God "to be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28) and marriage was instituted by God as a stable environment to have and rear children. In our society, children are often considered a nuisance and a burden. They stand in the way of people's career paths, financial goals, and they “crimp your style” socially. Often selfishness is at the root of contraceptive use.

Genesis 38 tells of Judah's sons, Er and Onan. Er married a woman named Tamar, but he was wicked and the Lord killed him, leaving Tamar with no husband or children. Tamar was given in marriage to Er's brother, Onan, in accordance with the law of levirate marriage in Deuteronomy 25:5-6. Onan did not want to split his inheritance with any child that he might sire on Tamar on his brother's behalf, so he practiced the oldest form of birth control. Genesis 38:10 says "What he did was wicked in the Lord's sight ; so He put him to death also." Onan's motivation was selfish: he used Tamar for his own pleasure, but refused to perform his “brotherly” duty of creating an heir for his deceased brother. It was not the act of contraception that caused the Lord to put Onan to death, but rather Onan’s selfish motives behind the action. Here are some verses that describe children from God's perspective:

A gift from God: Genesis 4:1, Genesis 33:5

A heritage from the Lord: Psalm 127:3-5

A blessing from God: Luke 1:42

A crown to the aged: Proverbs 17:6

God blesses barren women with children: Psalm 113:9, Genesis 21:1-3, 25:21-22, and 30:1-2, 1 Samuel 1:6-8, Luke 1:7, 24-25

God forms children in the womb: Psalm 139:13-16

God knows children before birth: Jeremiah 1:5, Galatians 1:15

It is important to view children as God sees them, not as the world tells us we should. Having said that, the Bible does not forbid contraception. Contraception, by it's definition, is the merely opposite of conception. It is not the act of contraception itself that determines whether it is wrong or right. As we learned from Onan, it is the motivation behind the contraception that determines if it is right or wrong. If a person is practicing contraception because they will have more for themselves, then it is wrong. If a person is practicing contraception in order to temporarily delay children until they are more mature and more financially and spiritually prepared, then it is acceptable to use contraception for a time. Again, it all comes back to your motivation.

Recommended Resource: Birth Control for Christians: Making Wise Choices by Jenell Paris.

Kelml posts: This is taken from the following URL: http://www.gotquestions.org/birth-control.html. Hope it helps. It is a lengthy respone.

Question: "What does the Bible say about birth control? Should Christians use birth control?”

Answer: Man was commissioned by God "to be fruitful and multiply" (Genesis 1:28) and marriage was instituted by God as a stable environment to have and rear children. In our society, children are often considered a nuisance and a burden. They stand in the way of people's career paths, financial goals, and they “camp your style” socially. Often selfishness is at the root of contraceptive use.

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Thank you for an interesting contribution.

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Every person has the right to their own beliefs about contraception. However, women have every right to control their own body and to make their own decisions about birth control, sex and when to have a child.

Every person has the right to their own beliefs about contraception. However, women have every right to control their own body and to make their own decisions about birth control, sex and when to have a child.


I appreciate your answer, but you left someone out.

What about the little life inside the woman? Does he or she have any rights at all? Usually, this person is th eonly one who has absolutely no say in the whole matter.

It did not volunteer to be born, and, if aborted, it would have no say in that either. What say you?

The woman who is considering having an abortion was once a foetus. When did her 'rights' begin? In the womb? On reaching her legal majority?

What was, under your scheme, denied to her once, now becomes a right. A right that she denies to the life she carries in her womb.

I'd appreciate further explanation.





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Morganite... great question and comments. When will women quite buying into this lie that we own our bodies??

Prettypetite, I acknowledge that there are other belief systems out there but there is still only one Creator... and it is He that created us (including you), he knew us before we were in our mother's womb.

Your not fighting a law, a political stance, nor a religion. Your fighting a spiritual battle and your not even aware. Don't let popular belief nor modern day trends lead your astray... know who your enemy is. Believe me, he knows you.

When will women quite buying into this lie that we own our bodies???
So, women don't own their bodies?

i think it is against the laws of nature to do birth controll.

I hope you realize that there are natural substances that work like contraceptives. Slaves used them all the time here in America.

I believe in birth controll, also abortion, one second before conception

That's why there's the "morning after" pill. Abortions usually can't be done until the middle of the first trimester, I think?

Also, I'm on birth control, and at my age, why not? It's better to be prepared for when you have a child and everyone needs sexual freedom.

... did you not bother to read the rest of my post? Yes, I own the body that God made for me... and I can make chioces to do with my body as I please. However, as a child of God; I try to walk in truth and light and make choices that are based on the word of God... not opinions from men (and women) who kill our unborn children in the name of "feminism."

Who are we to judge people in god's name? People should have the right to privacy which includes the ability to use birth control. It is not anyone's place to judge other people. I'm not a religious person, but I do believe in god and god forgives all humans. You have the freedom to oppose contraception, but you shouldn't impose your biblical beliefs on others.

...did you not bother to read the rest of my post? Yes, I own the body that God made for me.....and I can make chioces to do with my body as I please. However, as a child of God; I try to walk in truth and light and make choices that are based on the word of God....not opinions from men (and women) who kill our unborn children in the name of "feminism."

Let's say you are in no financial position to, but you end up having five kids, and you can barely provide for them. Why would your put your "loyalty" to God over the well-being of children? Why have a child if you cannot provide a good life for them, don't you think that's unfair?

You are the kind of WEIRDOS who are trying to shut down Planned Parenthood and contraceptives. Do you have any idea about how horrible and painful illegal abortions were, and how it would be if they were like that again? Who said women kill their babies in the name of "feminism"? Did God "say" feminism is wrong too?

I think contraception & that does not include abortion is a very logical approach. For those of you guys who are totally against it, try going to third world countries where they have 11 children, no work & still in their late 30s. There are still countries who discourage contraception & they have children dying from poverty & malnutrition. The teachings of the Church may be against contraception but 1 thing,we have a REASONABLE & UNDERSTANDING God who knows that at these times, too many children is not practical. I would rather be protected than add misery to this world bringing forth children I could not even support! That for me, would even be a bigger sin.

I agree Dimples but the fundamentalist christians may come back and say that sexual relations are only for procreation. Which would mean I guess that if you have 2 kids you've had sex a grand total of 2 times in your life. If that's how they want to live their life that's fine with me.

... my original email response was a guideline to contraception. My second response was tageted at abortion. I agree with many of the comments about the use of contraceptives when a family cannot afford or is not able to emotionally or financially accommodate children. However, this WEIRDO does not advocate abortion for any reason... and my fundamentalist attitude extends this to the following scenarios: RAPE, DISEASE, ETC. Murder is Murder.

Let me try to restate my comments so those of you who are so quick to lash out with name calling might have an opportunity to think before you type.

You can believe what you want to believe; those are your freedoms afforded to you by God himself. I am simply stating the truth that Satan, yes Satan, is very cunning and manipulative. You are so concerned that a human being is trying to convert you to a way of truth and your blinded to the fact that Satan himself is converting your thought patterns. He (Satan) always manipulates us with things, thoughts, and false beliefs that seem so logical that we never question them... we just follow blindly.

To summarize, I know that many of you cannot wait to come back with accusations, crass assumptions, and some of you may resort to name calling. So be it... this WEIRDO will pray for you... your salvation and the salvation of your future generations. Your not fighiting against me or people like me... your fight is against an enemy that your in denial about.

Dude, relax. Since when did the word fundamentalist become a bad thing?
It means: a movement or attitude stressing strict and literal adherence to a set of basic principles (see:http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=fundamentalist) and you fit the bill. I see no need to get defensive. I'm not fighting with anyone nor am I in denial about anything. You have your religious beliefs and I have mine, please don't look down your nose at me because I am not like you - I don't do that to you. Try a little tolerance and accept that others just may be a little different than you.

Also my post wasn't speaking directly of you, not sure where you got that idea.

I was not looking "down my nose" at you or anyone else. Again, it is extremely difficult to communicate emotions, expressions, intent over the internet. That is why we waste so much of our time replying to posts trying to get our points and opinions across so others can understand and not
mis-interpret.


My only goal is to try and live my life in the will of God. I slip daily and try to do better the next. When I see opportunity to share what I have been blessed to learn... I take that opportunity and pray that someone is open to hearing truth. Believe me, I spent many years of my life believing the very same things that I have read in these posts. I've explored agnostic beliefs and others. Nothing has ever made changes in my life like the love of Jesus Christ.

In closing, please note that I am a female. I have no children, nor any plans to.. and I have had an abortion many years ago. Perhaps this puts some perspective into where I am coming from. I come from experience, from the chaos and pain that my past decisions and choices have caused in my lilfe. I wish that I would have listened to some of those fundamentalists earlier in my life. Perhaps I would not have spent so many miserable years searching for fulfillment and acceptance from those who are not capable of giving it.

I'm happy that you found something that offers you comfort. I hope that you have no regrets about past events. Take care.

So, women don't own their bodies?

Women do own their bodies, but they do not own the body growing inside their bodies, and do not own the right to kill that other body.

Can you see the difference?





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Women do own their bodies, but they do not own the body growing inside their bodies, and do not own the right to kill that other body.

Can you see the difference?


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Damn, you love to argue all day don't you.

NeedKarma, don't waste your time arguing with Morganite. You will only be subjected to his fundamental beliefs. Even though, most of us don't like his missionary remarks, however, he has the right to excise his freedom of speech.

Damn, you love to argue all day don't you.


I'm willing to learn from the Big Dogs.
You tell me what the rules are and I will follow them.




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:rolleyes:

NeedKarma, don't waste your time arguing with Morganite. You will only be subjected to his fundamental beliefs. Even though, most of us don't like his missionary remarks, however, he has the right to excise his freedom of speech.


NK has not argued with me, only insulted me. She is crappier than you are. I don't need your permission to have freedom of speech. What makes imagine I am a fundamentalist? Delsional? If snotty remarks are the best you can do, you have my sympathy, but if snide and snot are all you have to lay on the table, you have some serious growing up to do.




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:eek:

That's why there's the "morning after" pill. Abortions usually can't be done until the middle of the first trimester, I think?

Also, I'm on birth control, and at my age, why not? It's better to be prepared for when you have a child and everyone needs sexual freedom.
Abortions can be done at any age of gestation. Some even at 7 months. I do think it is entirely up to the woman. That is her decision & for her conscience to bear. But I am still very much pro birth control per se as I think overpopulation begets more crime & poverty & hatred. Let us ride with the times. Unplanned conception is just too great a burden so rather I'd be safe than sorry.

MORGANITE, you have resorted to name calling and you have the nerve to tell me that I have some growing up to do. A grown man such as yourself shouldn't be imposing your biblical beliefs on women. Women have the right to control their own body and to make their own decisions about birth control and sex whether you like it or not. It is not your place to judge us.

MORGANITE, you have resorted to name calling and you have the nerve to tell me that I have some growing up to do. A grown man such as yourself shouldn't be imposing your biblical beliefs on women. Women have the right to control their own body and to make their own decisions about birth control and sex whether you like it or not. It is not your place to judge us.
As I understand it from his posts he (I actually thought he was a woman) is some form of "scholar" in some divinity college. Rather out of touch with us common folk who have jobs, families, travel, etc. When it comes to arguing about the meaning of a certain word in a certain verse of some parable then I would differ to him/her. But other than that...

As I understand it from his posts he (I actually thought he was a woman) is some form of "scholar" in some divinity college. Rather out of touch with us common folk who have jobs, families, travel, etc. When it comes to arguing about the meaning of a certain word in a certain verse of some parable then I would differ to him/her. But other than that ...


I am a retired blue collar worker. I had a job, family, travel limited these days, so don't get snotty and above yourself by assuming that you know who I am and what I do or have done. You don't. You don't know my gender. If you feel free to try to belittle someone, get ready to get it right back with interest. I have enever been to any divinity college and have no interest in going to one, but I am interested in all religions, and this is the religion corner of askme, and it is not your personal property. I am not a fundamentalist as hinted by one of the two of your little snots. You are free to differ. I wellcome it. That is discussion/debate.

I asked whether a woman's rights over her own body, one of the questions asked here, superceded the rights of the unborn she carried and whether that unborn had any rights. The response was a snotty explosion of rage and insult but no answer. If that's all you got you ain't all that.





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:eek:

The response was a snotty explosion of rage and and insult but no answer.

Wow, your post is kind of full of rage, no?
Were you offended because of the gender issue? That would be odd since you posted about me: "She is crappier than you are." on the previous page. Who cares what gender I am. Oh well, no sense if your being consistent is there?

As for the divinity school, I gleaned that info from your post here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showpost.php?p=42703&postcount=17

I think the fundamentalism tag comes form the fact that you appear to quote scripture a lot and seem to base your life on it to the letter. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=fundamentalist

Anyway, let bygones be bygones.
How many kids do you have? I have two.

Wow, your post is kinda full of rage, no?
Were you offended because of the gender issue? That would be odd since you posted about me: "She is crappier than you are." on the previous page. Who cares what gender I am. Oh well, no sense if your being consistent is there?

As for the divinity school, I gleaned that info from your post here:
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/showpost.php?p=42703&postcount=17

I think the fundamentalism tag comes form the fact that you appear to quote scripture a lot and seem to base your life on it to the letter. http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=fundamentalist

Anyway, let bygones be bygones.
How many kids do you have? I have two.


You are right. I let you ruffle my feathers. I took exception to your assumptions about me, every one of which was wrong.

I did say 'some' were in theological seminaries, and 'some' are, but I didn't say I was because I am not, and never have been. Fundamentalists have a peculiar approach to life and religion, but I am not now, and never have been, a fundamentalist... I disagree with many of their views, such as, the total depravity of mankind, and the inheritance of original sin, beside other differences. I also reject Calvin's doctrines of predestination of the saved and the damned out of hand. Using scriptures to answer scripturally based questions seems nothing extraordinary, but to each his own. I am not a Bble literalist, never have been, never will be. Religion is a thing of the spirit, and, "the letter killeth but the spirit giveth life."

I enjoy reasoned discussion. It is one of my hobbies now that I am disabled.

Okay, let's move on.

I have six biological kids, some fosters, some steps, and I am a Democrat.




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As I understand it from his posts he (I actually thought he was a woman) is some form of "scholar" in some divinity college. Rather out of touch with us common folk who have jobs, families, travel, etc. When it comes to arguing about the meaning of a certain word in a certain verse of some parable then I would differ to him/her. But other than that ...


I didn't mention the bible, so my question was not based on the bible. It is a simple and I believe fair question whether woman has the right to choose to end the life that is inside her. Who protects the unborn? As far as I know, that question is not mooted in the Bible.




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You have my respect for taking in foster kids, well done. Before I had my own I was a Big Brother for 6 years. It does surprise me that you are a democrat though since some of your stances seem a little on the conservative side; perhaps we are similar in that we are moderates.

On the birth control/abortion issue I side more on the liberal. I see too many people these days who are parents who should definetely not be. The amount of defective parenting going on in the US these days is atrocious. If the parenting was done correctly in the first place then young ladies would perhaps not be so promiscuous and make bad choices in partners. And the boys would have more respect for others and have responsibility for their actions.

But I am tolerant of the choices that others make. I choose not to include those that use others and have a lack of respect for their fellow man in my circle of friends, whether they have a Jesus fish on their car of not. I judge people as individuals - I've learned that it isn't your religion, race, color, or nationality that makes you a good man, it's the person.

There I'm done and I will leave you to your graces. I'm sorry to hear you are disabled but I see that hasn't slowed you down any. :) The internet is a great equalizer that way.

I didn't mention the bible, so my question was not based on the bible. It is a simple and I believe fair question whether woman has the right to choose to end the life that is inside her. Who protects the unborn? As far as I know, that question is not mooted in the Bible.
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That will always be a tough one to answer these days since there are so many options available now that were not available in 10 BC for example. I believe in birth control but I don't believe in using abortion as birth control. Late term abortions should not be available in my opinion, better to set the baby up for adoption as there is a backlog of people who want to be parents but cannot for some biological reason.

Gee Hank, I have no idea, when I see him and chat with him, I will ask him!

What is God's will regarding the use of birth control?

HANK :) Don't know, and since it is a written document - written by other humans, I'd rather wait until 'He' tells me himself by helping me feel his choice for me.
What is His will regarding rape, incest, and the risks of modern day STDs, not to mention what already was such as poverty, hatred, etc?

What is God's will regarding the use of birth control?

HANK :)

.ANSWER YOUR OWN QUESTION, WHAT DO *YOU* THINK?


Personally, I don't know what your God thinks, but then that means I would have to define what the term 'god' means to me to further continue with this. So... it ends.

Hi, again,
There is no mention of birth control in the New Testament. The only mention, possibly, is in Genesis 38, where a man ejaculated on the ground, after sex. The intention or understanding of why God struck him dead is not known and is conjecture.
Some denominations, or churches, believe in birth control, as you already know. But, there is nothing definitive in the Bible about it.
So, how does one know God's will toward it... interpretation is the only answer I know, through prayer.

Hi,
Do not control Birth,
It is OK depending upon physical condition of couple.
GOD has othing to do with Birth,

Hi, again,
There is no mention of birth control in the New Testament. The only mention, possibly, is in Genesis 38, where a man ejaculated on the ground, after sex. The intention or understanding of why God struck him dead is not known and is conjecture.
Some denominations, or churches, believe in birth control, as you already know. But, there is nothing definitive in the Bible about it.
So, how does one know God's will toward it......interpretation is the only answer I know, through prayer.


Onan practised coitus interuptus



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Well Hank according Catholic religion teachings. God teaches about marriage and marriage is for two people who vow to spend the rest of their life together and who want to start a family. Sexual relations are for people who are married. So the idea of preventing pregnancy, preventing family, is against Gods purpose.

Joe

Masturbation is a no,no as it will make you blind, or grow hair on your palms.
Sex before marriage is a no,no but nobody wants to educate their kids - it's a taboo.
Society frowns on catholic couples who have one child each year, and don't know how to feed them, because they are really not allowed to have sex unless intending to procreate.
In China, you are not allowed to have more than one child.
In South America there are so many homeless children, or sold children because the world cannot feed them anymore.
In wealthy countries, there is rampant HIV, as well as in third world-countries - and the church still condems birth control??
In North Korea, people are dying in the streets for lack of basic rice stolen before it even gets to them.
WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
Excuse me, but what the Bible says about birthcontrol at this point, seems so inconsequential to me on this already over-populated planet.

I'm not even going to go any further with this as I have more important things in life to think about. Maybe I should not have entered this world with a brain and common sense.. :mad:

Masturbation is a no,no as it will make you blind, or grow hair on your palms.
Sex before marriage is a no,no but nobody wants to educate their kids - it's a taboo.
Society frowns on catholic couples who have one child each year, and don't know how to feed them, because they are really not allowed to have sex unless intending to procreate.
In China, you are not allowed to have more than one child.
In South America there are so many homeless children, or sold children because the world cannot feed them anymore.
In wealthy countries, there is rampant HIV, as well as in third world-countries - and the church still condems birth control???
In North Korea, people are dying in the streets for lack of basic rice stolen before it even gets to them.
WHAT IS THIS WORLD COMING TO?
Excuse me, but what the Bible says about birthcontrol at this point, seems so inconsequential to me on this already over-populated planet.

I'm not even going to go any further with this as I have more important things in life to think about. Maybe I should not have entered this world with a brain and common sense..:mad:



Enlighten us. What DOES the Bible say about birth control?




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Enlighten us. What DOES the Bible say about birth control?




MORGANITESorry dear, don't know and DON'T CARE! It's the here and now that I think about and not what was before our time. And if you followed some of my opinions about religion and my personal experience with it, you'd understand my frustration over it. Hope I don't offend you.

What is God's will regarding the use of birth control?

HANK :)
Just ask HIM :cool: when you get an answer please share.

Sorry dear, And if you followed some of my opinions about religion and my personal experience with it, you'd understand my frustration over it. Hope I don't offend you.


I am not offended, just curious. I understand honest disagreement with principles that are worked out by someone to explain where their difference comes from. What I don't understand is what someone who is not willing to explain their position with clarity gets out of pouring cold water on an open and honest debate between people who are interested.

If reading what others have to say based on their own personal experiences and beliefs frustrates you, why bother saying so? I understand the principle of free speech, but it cuts both ways. You say you "don't know and DON'T CARE!. It's the here and now that I think about and not what was before our time.

To many people it is the here and now. They are alive and such matter come to bear on their lives. They have questions about Birth Control, and want to know how others interpret that religious aspects of it and what, if anything, the Bible holds on the subject.

If you "don't know and don't care," why do you stick your oar in? I am just curious and not trying to offend you, dearie. Negative splats and put downs don't ever seem to help a debate progress. Wouldn't you agree?

Have a great Thanksgiving Day if it is your custom to honor it. If not, have a great day.



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I am not offended, just curious. I understand honest disagreement with principles that are worked out by someone to explain where their difference comes from. What I don't understand is what someone who is not willing to explain their position with clarity gets out of pouring cold water on an open and honest debate between people who are interested.

If reading what others have to say based on their own personal experiences and beliefs frustrates you, why bother saying so? I understand the principle of free speech, but it cuts both ways. You say you "don't know and DON'T CARE!. It's the here and now that I think about and not what was before our time.

To many people it is the here and now. They are alive and such matter come to bear on their lives. They have questions about Birth Control, and want to know how others interpret that religious aspects of it and what, if anything, the Bible holds on the subject.

If you "don't know and don't care," why do you stick your oar in? I am just curious and not trying to offend you, dearie. Negative splats and put downs don't ever seem to help a debate progress. Wouldn't you agree?

Have a great Thanksgiving Day if it is your custom to honor it. If not, have a great day.



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:) Maybe I should have been a little more explicit, I meant the issue of birth control, not the entire Bible. I do care as it is good for those who need devine guidance and I have no qualms over the good book itself, just some interpreters. You too, have a good holiday..

Enlighten us. What DOES the Bible say about birth control?
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The Bible does not specifically address the issue of birth control. Understand when the scriptures were written condoms, the pill, diaphragms , IUDs , vasectomies and tubal ligations hadn't been developed yet. There is also insufficient evidence to determine whether enough was understood about monthly cycles for the people of the time to even practice the rhythm method. The only potential means of birth control was withdrawl, which today we know is so ineffective that it's not even worth it. Any denominational teachings about birth control are based on inferences and guesswork. The most prudent argument is that since the scriptures do not specifiaclly prohibit it, then it's permissible so long as its use does not lead to a violation of any other divine laws.

If you are concerned about going to hedoublehockeysticks then try not mating in the first place. Go to school, get your education, get a very good job, get you a house, stay out of debt or take care of the debt, meet a great person, marry, have kids when you have done all this and talked about it.