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lloydt
Jun 23, 2015, 12:40 PM
Electrical drawings state EC electrical contractor must verify. Does this mean in field before submitting a bid or after?
Electrical drawings state GC General contractor must verify does this mean that the Electrical contractor must verify for the general contractor?
If the electrical drawings state GC ,EC or MC is it the electrical contractor responsible to confirm all??
ma0641
Jun 23, 2015, 07:03 PM
EC would only mean they verified for Electrical, he/ she may know nothing about Mechanical contracting. I would believe BEFORE since another person probably drew the bid based on plans and they want to make sure the company agrees.
hfcarson
Jun 25, 2015, 04:17 AM
lloydt,
Please give us a little more on these, "verify" notes...
sometimes design firms put notes like this on the drawings which require the contractors to be responsible for research or code requirements that the design firms should be responsible for....
lloydt
Jun 25, 2015, 09:28 AM
The electrical drawings has a box upper page that says FAULT CURRENT RATING NOTE and under that it says fault current rating at landlord equipment shall be verify by EC. A box next to this one s says FIELD VERIFY ALL CONDITIONS the line under this one says design drawings are schematic. The GC shall visit the site prior to bidding or award of contract to inspect existing field conditions. This contract shall include shall include all labor and materials necessary for field modifications due to existing conditions. The GC shall contact the architect prior to bidding for interpretations and clarifications .After bidding will be finial and shall be implemented at GC'S costRaiser key notes #12 GC to provide fuses and metering if not existing.Raiser General Notes : all notes directed to the ECOne line diagram under the landlord MDP to New panel in other room. Says EC TO VERIFY .This is a mall I talked to the maintenance manager and he told me that the service length was 75-0' . In my accepted proposal that was made part of the contract it stated extend service 75-0' as required.It turned out to be 165' more .The GC is telling me that it is totally my fault for not measuring it, and line #12 applied to the EC not the GC as stated
hfcarson
Jun 25, 2015, 11:52 AM
lloydt,
Welcome to contract law 101....
The type of verbiage you have has been put on drawings for a long time. Try to understand what you could end up being liable for and put money in your bids to cover these worst case outcomes...
Try to put disclaimers in where ever the plans call for something vague or unclear...
such as where it says, "provide metering and fuses if not existing." Consider putting this in your contract as "metering and fuses and any required design shall be provided at additional cost if required." The argument is that this is a design item which is not in your scope and expertise. (unless you are an engineer...)
It sounds as though you have already signed a contract. If so, you may be learning a few hard lessons. (We all seem to do this). If your client is the GC I would try to discuss the wire length issue with him. If 75' was given on the plans as the length then the additional needed should rightfully be paid for by the owner of which your GC will get a markup of the extra.
Try to find some common ground. If your client won't work you then consider finding new clients.
I wish you luck,
Harry
hfcarson
Jun 30, 2015, 05:16 AM
lloydt..
How are you making out?