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HANK
Mar 1, 2005, 05:52 PM
How do you make sense of the different denominations with everybody saying their way is right?
HANK :)
NeedKarma
Mar 1, 2005, 05:56 PM
Agnosticism seems to be the key.
keenu
Mar 5, 2005, 03:59 PM
Everyone is always right about what is right for them!
That is the ONLY way it can be.
We create our own reality and reality is subjective, never objective.
What is right for me is right.
Again, so wondrously simple.
fredg
Mar 7, 2005, 01:25 PM
Hi,
Each denomination has it's own way, teachings, and practices.
It depends on which one you were raised or brought up in. if any.
The Bible has passages which will pertain to many different denomination, such as Baptist, Church of Christ, Methodist, it depends on how deep you want to look.
I hope this helps, and I hope I understood your question.
There is no right or wrong; if you believe!
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fredg
thetachi464
Mar 7, 2005, 02:13 PM
There is no wrong and right in this issue. The one that is right for you is the one that you agree with, no matter what way it is. Hope this helps
keenu
Mar 10, 2005, 05:09 PM
Shouldn't the spirituality board be for discussing things without the necessity
Of bringing religion into it? Spirituality does NOT equal religion, rather it rises above and beyond it.
walt17
Mar 11, 2005, 04:44 PM
Shouldn't the spirituality board be for discussing things without the necessitybof bringing religion into it? Spirituality does NOT equal religion, rather it rises above and beyond it.I agree the two are distinctly different. You can be spiritual without being religious. And you can be religious without being spirtual. But for many their religion is the foundation of their spirituality. Or at least their concept of spirituality. Which makes discussing spirtuality without religion getting into the mix very difficult.
keenu
Mar 11, 2005, 04:58 PM
Hi,
Each denomination has it's own way, teachings, and practices.
It depends on which one you were raised or brought up in., if any.
The Bible has passages which will pertain to many different denomination, such as Baptist, Church of Christ, Methodist, it depends on how deep you want to look.
I hope this helps, and I hope I understood your question.
There is no right or wrong; if you believe!
Just for information:
If you wish to add or subtract from an Experts' reputation, or show appreciation or discontent with an answer, click on the "balance scales" icon by the Experts' name. You can then choose what you wish.
Best wishes,
fredg
Yes, but Fred, this is the SPIRITUALITY category! That was actually my point.
drali77
Mar 23, 2005, 04:21 PM
Are you confused about the meaning of life?
HANK
Mar 24, 2005, 07:05 AM
LIFE is that state of animals, humans, and plants or of an organized being, in which its natural functions and motions are performed, or in which its organs are capable of performing their functions. Also, LIFE is an interval between birth and death and the sum of the forces by which death is resisted.
HANK :)
keenu
Mar 24, 2005, 04:07 PM
Well, the life you speak of that is between birth and death is called PHYSICAL REALITY.
Life is NOT restricted to the physical.
Life is *eternal.
Existence in physical reality is BUT ONE expression of life/consciousness.
*Psssssssst, come a little closer and I'll give you hint:
there is no such thing as death.
mike145k
Jun 30, 2005, 08:49 PM
Well hank if you believe in jesus christ and become one of us and only then when you are born again into the world of truth and wisdom, giving you the knowledge to separate the true world from the false world what a mighty day for you when your eye's are open to see not man but he who has created you.
Morganite
Sep 14, 2005, 04:52 PM
How do you make sense of the different denominations with everybody saying their way is right?
HANK :)
If you mean which Christian denomination, then the act of choosing one over another becomes impossible. Life is too short and denominations are too many. Find one you like and enjoy it. With over three thousand different 'ways,' it would occupy more time than you have on the planet to properly scrutinise each one in order to make an informed judgement.
MORGANITE
Gadget0621
Sep 19, 2005, 03:04 AM
Yes, but Fred, this is the SPIRITUALITY category! That was actually my point.
I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that people with religion should not post answers in the spirituality category? For me my spirituality comes hand in hand with my religion. I think that for some reason you have this misconception of religious people. "A simple definition of spirituality is connecting with our higher selves and with God/the Universal Spirit." That is what I do everyday 24/7. It just so happens that going to church and listening to sermons has helped me to understand my spirit and its connection to my Father(as in God)! I don't think that anything is wrong with giving advice based on what you're taught within your religion. We must all learn to accept others and their opinions. Why can't a Christian or a Buddhist come together and talk about what spirituality means to them? "Spirituality comes from a place of love and light. Thoughts, words and actions that come from a spiritual place are naturally loving and beneficial." You need to read more into spirituality; it is in some way connected to religion whether you want to believe it or not.
Morganite
Sep 19, 2005, 08:58 AM
I don't understand what you are saying. Are you saying that people with religion should not post answers in the spirituality category? For me my spirituality comes hand in hand with my religion. I think that for some reason you have this misconception of religious people. "A simple definition of spirituality is connecting with our higher selves and with God/the Universal Spirit." That is what I do everyday 24/7. It just so happens that going to church and listening to sermons has helped me to understand my spirit and its connection to my Father(as in God)!! I don't think that anything is wrong with giving advice based on what you're taught within your religion. We must all learn to accept others and their opinions. Why can't a Christian or a Buddhist come together and talk about what spirituality means to them? "Spirituality comes from a place of love and light. Thoughts, words and actions that come from a spiritual place are naturally loving and beneficial." You need to read more into spirituality; it is in some way connected to religion whether you want to believe it or not.
Religion without spirituality is dead.
Spirituality without religion is dead.
So let it be written.
So mote it be.
All else is fiction.
MORGANITE
Gadget0621
Sep 21, 2005, 04:13 AM
Religion without spirituality is dead.
Spirituality without religion is dead.
So let it be written.
So mote it be.
All else is fiction.
MORGANITE
I feel the same way.
Irulan
Nov 5, 2005, 09:19 PM
TO EACH HIS / HER OWN!
No one is wrong, all are right - that is whatever they choose, if it fills their spiritual need, then who's to say they are wrong?
Morganite
Nov 6, 2005, 10:59 AM
TO EACH HIS / HER OWN!
No one is wrong, all are right - that is whatever they choose, if it fills their spiritual need, then who's to say they are wrong?
It is not always what we share in common that makes our lives richer, but our diversities, our differences. Discussing these differences and appropriately challenging or defending them should not be avoided because we fear to speak. The sign of maturity is when a person is able to reasonably consider the opinions of others without necessarily holding to them.
Quench not the spirit, despise not prophesyings, stifle not discussion.
MORGANITE
:)
Irulan
Nov 6, 2005, 12:32 PM
Unfortunately ...........
Human nature does not always encourage maturity, thus few humans are mature enough to wholly understand that our differences, specially in religion, is what makes us, each and every one, unique. It is that uniqueness in the human spirit that makes us who we are, a pity that not many will understand and accept this incontrovertible fact which engenders so many unjust actions and consequences.
eawoodall
Nov 7, 2005, 12:24 AM
you said:
How do you make sense of the different denominations with everybody saying their way is right?
HANK :)
logically: why would anyone ever argue for a way or thought or anything that they did not think was right?
everyone always thinks their way is right. Why else would it continue to be 'their way', if they thought it was wrong? It would logically become someone else's way if they thought it was wrong, and therefore not 'their way' anymore but a wrong way, that they no longer agreed with.
whatever opinion people have at the moment is what they believe in or upon, they do not over time have to stay at that value, but hold fast momentarily.
religion is about people trying to make themselves acceptable to a being that they feel/believe has power over them. And is not about what they believe is real, that is called philosophy, but who they think is really powerful.
people argue all the time over nothing, so if they argue about things that are close to their pivotal value that only makes sense, and shows their great amount of time available to be spent not on survival, but on discussion.
Irulan
Nov 8, 2005, 08:59 AM
It is not always what we share in common that makes our lives richer, but our diversities, our differences. Discussing these differences and appropriately challenging or defending them should not be avoided because we fear to speak. The sign of maturity is when a person is able to reasonably consider the opinions of others without necessarily holding to them.
Quench not the spirit, despise not prophesyings, stifle not discussion.
MORGANITE
:)
Human nature does not always encourage maturity, thus few humans are mature enough to wholly understand that our differences, specially in religion, is what makes us, every one, unique. It is that uniqueness in the human spirit that makes us who we are, a pity that not many will understand and accept this incontrovertible fact which engenders so many unjust actions and consequences.
This went to the wrong person... have to learn how to attach the right message to the right person... am, after all, a newbie... LOL! ;-D
Morganite
Nov 9, 2005, 05:49 AM
Human nature does not always encourage maturity, thus few humans are mature enough to wholly understand that our differences, specially in religion, is what makes us, each and every one, unique. It is that uniqueness in the human spirit that makes us who we are, a pity that not many will understand and accept this incontrovertible fact which engenders so many unjust actions and consequences.
This went to the wrong person ...have to learn how to attach the right message to the right person ...am, after all, a newbie ...LOL! ;-D
That's OK. I always enjoy the picture of your Grandmother. She looks like mine. Are we cousins?
MORGANITE
:)
JoeCanada76
Nov 14, 2005, 10:48 PM
Denominations. Well catholic, baptist, protestant and so forth. They teach about Jesus. Each denomination has different customs and ways of teaching but I think it all comes down to one person. JESUS CHRIST. There are many that are misleading but we all have to decide which ones are right for ourselves.
Irulan
Nov 16, 2005, 10:51 AM
That's OK. I always enjoy the picture of your Grandmother. She looks like mine. Are we cousins?
MORGANITE
:)
The picture of my grandmother?? LOL!! Cousins? Could be - or at least sisters under the skin!
talaniman
Nov 17, 2005, 09:28 PM
I have been a history buff most of my life and I find it interesting how as small children we can become so endoctinated by one thing or another that when we see anything different the first thing we say is that it is wrong.A closed mind cannot learn therefore it cannot grow and to me growth is spiritually as important as growing physically.Because I'm right and your different does that make you wrong? How do you know your right in the first place?
Morganite
Nov 18, 2005, 05:46 PM
I have been a history buff most of my life and I find it interesting how as small children we can become so endoctinated by one thing or another that when we see anything different the first thing we say is that it is wrong.A closed mind cannot learn therefore it cannot grow and to me growth is spiritually as important as growing physically.Because I'm right and your different does that make you wrong??How do you know your right in the first place?
Prejudice is always based on ignorance and hubris. There might be more than one way of being right. My questions to those who slap others down is,
"Why does it matter to you what anyone else believes? Do you need so much to control others"?
Live and let live.
MORGANITE
:)
talaniman
Nov 20, 2005, 01:47 PM
The key here is control without it people of closed minds are nothing.To them it is very important to slam you down so they can feel superior and they are always right! :cool:
Fr_Chuck
Nov 20, 2005, 05:10 PM
No denomination is completely right.
Now it is easy to see those that have wondered into the teachings of man.
Many have re-written what the bible says to allow man to live they way they want, instead of following Gods law.
But he did not tell anyone to have (or not to have) five songs, never singing the third verse, 30 minutes of preachings and a alter call ever second Sunday.
And he did not tell us to have confesion booths, 9 in high chalices and only to use red wine for communion.
He did not demand us to have steeples, heck we do not have to have church buildings, it is more bibical to hold church meetings in our homes.
the main thing is do they teach that sin is sin, not an optional way of life, that is to include being drunk, adultry, theft and breaking the laws of our nation.
talaniman
Nov 20, 2005, 07:46 PM
A lot of today's religion is based on man throwing stuff in the pot.This is where the confusion starts and the strict enterpretaion of gods law as whoever sees it.you have to control the flock somehow,you can't just let people do whatever they want,they might go somewhere else or worse call you some kind of fool and turn their back on you altogether.You can bet one thing though,They are right,They know the truth cause god says so.They don't care if your homosexual ,or atheist your wrong and that's just it. Even though the bible says to- judge not- they feel they can do it anyway.The bible says to love your fellow man, could you see them trying to love a gay person?But remember they are right.SO YOU MUST BE WRONG! :eek:
s_cianci
Nov 22, 2005, 06:57 PM
Read the Holy Bible - preferably the original King James Version. Find yourself a knowledgeable, competent pastor or elder to latch on to who can help you understand and interpret the more difficult parts. Studying a catchechism such as the Westminister Confession Of Faith can be helpful, also.
Katiy
Nov 22, 2005, 10:46 PM
Most people operate from their own agenda. I try and listen to what the agenda is. I look at what is underneath, what are they really committed to.
Morganite
Nov 23, 2005, 07:11 AM
A lot of todays religion is based on man throwing stuff in the pot.This is where the confusion starts and the strict enterpretaion of gods law as whoever sees it.you have to control the flock somehow,you can't just let people do whatever they want,they might go somewhere else or worse call you some kind of fool and turn their back on you altogether.You can bet one thing tho,They are right,They know the truth cause god says so.They don't care if your homosexual ,or atheist your wrong and thats just it. Even tho the bible says to- judge not- they feel they can do it anyway.The bible says to love your fellow man, could you see them trying to love a gay person?But remember they are right.SO YOU MUST BE WRONG!! :eek:
You make some interesting points, but could you give examples of real events that lead you to them? Without some kind of way pointing or back up, your post becomes just another opinion on a subject already drowning in opinions.
MORGANITE
Morganite
Nov 23, 2005, 07:13 AM
Most people operate from their own agenda. I try and listen to what the agenda is. I look at what is underneath, what are they really committed to.
By what methods do you deconstruct their agendas? What is you agenda?
MORGANITE
:)
NeedKarma
Nov 23, 2005, 07:21 AM
You make some interesting points, but could you give examples of real events that lead you to them? Without some kind of way pointing or back up, your post becomes just another opinion on a subject already drowning in opinions.
MORGANITE
In case you forgot the original question is: "How do you make sense of the different denominations with everybody saying their way is right?"
Of course the answers are going to reflect the poster's opinion - do you seriously believe that a single concrete final answer will come from this?
Morganite
Mar 19, 2006, 10:00 AM
In case you forgot the orginal question is: "How do you make sense of the different denominations with everybody saying their way is right?"
Of course the answers are going to reflect the poster's opinion - do you seriously believe that a single concrete final answer will come from this?
Anyone who hopes for single and/or concrete in this forum (or any that are like unto it) is too naïve to be let out without an attendant. However, that in no way nullifies the subject as one fit for discussion by reasonable people.
A bunch of a dozen roses of unvarying redness might speak the language of love, but a mixed bunch of wild flowers of a variety of hues is a statement that there is nmore to life than meets the stilted mind of the cynic, and/or - as they suppose - the effete purist. My advice is to relax and enjoy the changing scenery as you journey through life.
When we have reduced our dreams to a single hope, and our youthful list of possibilities is become nothing but dry and dusty despair, then we have achieved the human equivalent of fossilisation, and we are no longer scintillating, inspiring, or pleasant company.
"Bah, Humbug!" is not a philosophy worth sharing, because it pours cold water on dreams; induces stress; negates a person's essential humanity, and smacks of intellectual terrorism.
In life, as in a salad, the enjoyment comes from the variety of colours, textures, and tastes, and he who believes that a contrary opinion is a causus bellus is a disappointment hiding behind the thoughtlessness of what he might choose to call 'realism,' but which in reality is nothing more than a nasty taste in the mouth, a nasty smell in th enose, and a mindful of disappointment that he believes in his delusion every one ought to share with him.
Why would it matter to anyone whether everyone is in total agreement on all points? Control, perhaps?
If we MUST only discuss those things on which all parties MUST eventually come to complete and utter agreement, what is left to talk about, and what is left of the richness of life that flows from human intellectuil and spiritual diversity?
M:confused:RGANITE
NeedKarma
Mar 19, 2006, 11:22 AM
You are going to have to stick to one of your personalities or you're going to confuse us. You just said:
Anyone who hopes for single and/or concrete in this forum (or any that are like unto it) is too naive to be let out without an attendant. However, that in no way nullifies the subject as one fit for discussion by reasonable people.
Yet earlier in this same thread you said:
Without some kind of way pointing or back up, your post becomes just another opinion on a subject already drowning in opinions.
So which is it: do you believe that people can their offer opinions here or not? Or is it simply your opinion that matters? :confused: