I first brought up his squashing the Moreland Commission here .
https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/current-events/msnbc-just-not-compelling-tv-779370-8.html#post3648873

Well the NY Slimes has finally gotten around to reporting it .

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/nyregion/governor-andrew-cuomo-and-the-short-life-of-the-moreland-commission.html?_r=0
The full investigation is here :
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/nyregion/governor-andrew-cuomo-and-the-short-life-of-the-moreland-commission.html
To make a long story short . He empaneled the commission to investigate corruption in Albany. He was hoping no doubt to catch a bunch of the NYS Senate Repubics . But as the commission was conducting it's business ,it became clear that the people they were investigating were some of Cuomo's gumbas .

The Slimes takes it from here :

But a three-month examination by The New York Times found that the governor’s office deeply compromised the panel’s work, objecting whenever the commission focused on groups with ties to Mr. Cuomo or on issues that might reflect poorly on him.
Ultimately, Mr. Cuomo abruptly disbanded the commission (http://nyti.ms/1zYQ5ww) halfway through what he had indicated would be an 18-month life. And now, as the Democratic governor seeks a second term in November, federal prosecutors are investigating the roles of Mr. Cuomo and his aides in the panel’s shutdown and are pursuing its unfinished business.
Before its demise, Mr. Cuomo’s aides repeatedly pressured the commission, many of whose members and staff thought they had been given a once-in-a-career chance at cleaning up Albany. As a result, the panel’s brief existence — and the writing and editing of its sole creation, a report of its preliminary findings — was marred by infighting, arguments and accusations. Things got so bad that investigators believed a Cuomo appointee was monitoring their communications without their knowledge. Resignations further crippled the commission. In the end, the governor got the Legislature to agree to a package of ethics reforms far less ambitious than those the commission had recommended — a result Mr. Cuomo hailed as proof of the panel’s success.

Cuomo still defends his actions by saying that since he created the commission he has the power to end the commissions work . That is hardly a convining defense of his actions if you ask me . Only an arrogant dictator would have the onions to use that defense.....Only someone with a 30 point poll lead. His opponent ,Rob Astorino says Cuomo's action is a criminal obstruction of justice ,and is calling for an investigation.

It is unclear if this story will have an impact on his reelection chances (NY being a state populated by brainwashed Democrat zombies ) . However ,there was talk of him throwing his hat in the Presidential ring. I think the chances are slim now that he will take the plunge.

well Tom my response is in my signature


''Let us sit upon the ground and tell sad stories of the deaths of kings.'' William Shakespeare

By the way does anyone know why our signatures have disappeared?

Jon Stewart is a genius who explains the scandal better than I can.

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il Duce now hiding, cancelling appearances, after the Slimes exposed his role in corruption scandal.

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so a victory for the little guy then

doubt it ; Cuomo has a 30 point lead against Rob Astorino (who is a very effective County Executive ) . The only positive I see in this is that the Feds have taken an interest . Albany (the State capital of NY ) is a sewer , and the only difference between here and Illinois is that their Governors go to jail when they are caught .

Tom have you ever thought there must be something wrong with the system if you consistently elect criminals to high office

only in that if there is only one party then you are living in a soviet system. What we have in common with Illinois is that there is no real opposition to the Democrat machine. It has been that way since the days of Tammany Hall.
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The NY Repubic party is the lamest local party in the nation.

only in that if there is only one party then you are living in a soviet system. What we have in common with Illinois is that there is no real opposition to the Democrat machine. It has been that way since the days of Tammany Hall.
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The NY Repubic party is the lamest local party in the nation.

Spoiled for choice, perhaps you should swap that "two party" system for one that offers choice

Its just the same, Tom, in red conservative governed states of the south and plains, so are they too, bastions of soviet style governments?

I though Mc carthyism was dead Tal apparently not so

There will always be people who make anyone different than them the enemy, and that's in every society and culture. It's always been that way. It's just recycled, repackaged, remarketed HATE.

Yes tal beyond all reason

oh isn't that hilarious . Now Cuomo is the victim.

Never said that Tom.

oh isn't that hilarious . Now Cuomo is the victim.

The victums here are those who have to swallow this load of "rhetoric"

There are as many republican governors across the land who are just as bad as the democrats the right dumps on. Some want to be president, some may not even get re elected.

What does that mean Tal? All you are saying is you have bad government, democracy as you have implemented it has failed

Tal I don't get it , government after so long should not be a work in progress, both our nations have had plenty of time to iron out the bugs in democracy, there is no excuse for the crap we have to endure except that the politicians we have needd to be stood against the wall and shot. this is not revolution but evolution

By the way moderator this spellchecker is absolute crap

The concept works Clete, some of the people are flawed. Just like everywhere else. Even in your Island Paradise.

Both our governments and institutions are a works in progress and have room for growth and improvements.

Its just the same, Tom,
in red conservative governed states of the south and plains, so are they too, bastions of soviet style governments?

to answer your question ;it's obviously no . Whereas the "progressives believe in expansive government control; the conservatives would like to reduce the size of government and it's power over the individual.

I wish it were that simple Tom big government v small government, both sides produce volumenous legislation and regulations so the only way to avoid this is to abolish the form of government that promotes the idea that there needs to be government. Government by the people, for the people, does that have a familiar ring to it. What you have now is government by the government, for the government, whilst the people are an inconvenient adjunct who must be consulted about who sits in the seats of power now and again

That sounds like your government Clete where the people are required to vote for a government. And you get some loonies too, by the people.

People are not required to vote for a government Tal, unlike yourselves they vote for candidates who form a government, but we lack this contention where there is this third wing, so to speak, who thinks it is capable of acting on its own. So the truth is, you vote for a government and are governed by that government. It is an exact reflection of yourselves whereas we vote to provide a Parliament and such government as there is is at the whim of that Parliament. In our system the government cannot exist without the confidence of the House

Yes we get some fringe dwellers, we all do, fortunately they don't get to form government even if they influence outcomes. You see our leaders are called to account everyday in the Parliament whereas as yours are called to account by the media. We have many more independent and minor party members than you do

no it's not a matter of eliminating the form of government . It's requiring the government to adhere to the constitution......not some distorted interpretation of it .

Well you see for some strange reason we don't encounter that problem, only rarely is the constitution mentioned and when it is the issue is quickly resolved. You see our politicians try to stay within the limitations of constitutional power, unlike yourselves we don't have numerous additions to the constitution, the document has proven to be extraordinarily difficult to alter

You haven't encountered the problem because you have yet to grow enough people of differing opinions/cultures and my friend Tom's opinions and interpretation are very different to many here and that's the challenge moving forward. Generations and progress have changed things enough to take a deeper at look at policy and situations and we differ as to the adjustments that need to be made.

A government, state or federal has to be big enough to provide the basics to it citizens or the citizens will take their own devices to get what they need/want. Tom thinks the thinking of the founders is perfect and needs no further examination, no changes, and of course I disagree.

There is falsehood that goes around that says nobody outside the two main parties is allowed to run in the USA.

That couldn't be further from the truth. Anyone that can get sufficient petitions in each state can get themselves of the ballots of each state.

Now keep in mind, getting on the ballot doesn't mean you will get enough votes to win. The problem is most democrats would vote for Stalin if he suddenly arrose from the dead, because their party told them to do so. Few of them are capable of independent thought...

Every so often another party arises and displaces one of the other parties that then falls out of favor, and its been quite a while since that last happened.

You have had enough trouble dealing with our living candidates on the democratic side let alone speculating about dead ones. Worry about the republican candidates before you jump on ours. Ours have been winning.

Sounds like I'm correct... the Democrats are upset they never got a chance to vote for Stain and Lennin who apparently are the mentors of today's Democrat party.. and would without hesitation if they ever got the chance.

If John F Kennedy was alive today..he wouldn't be a Democrat. THe democrats woudl be attacking him for not being a good socialist.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Passing the loony juice rather early today huh?

Tom thinks the thinking of the founders is perfect and needs no further examination, no changes, and of course I disagree.
wrong again. When change is needed ,the founders provided an appropriate instrument in the constitution for it . The probem is your side thinks that judicial ,executive ,or bureaucratic fiat is the proper way .

So the legal process isn't good enough? Then who is the arbiter and what's the process and who decides constitutionality? Last I looked you can challenge and appeal. Not good enough for you?

Tal, it wasn't US that voted Obama, the man with no experience at anything into office not just once but twice. After the world knew what a worthless lump of human flesh he was.

He didn't just fool the left once... but he fooled them twice, and what's that old saying, "Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me "? The left got fooled twice.

By the way does anyone know why our signatures have disappeared?

don't know and don't like it .

I have changed mine to read :

Throughout history, poverty is the normal condition of man. Advances which permit this norm to be exceeded — here and there, now and then — are the work of an extremely small minority, frequently despised, often condemned, and almost always opposed by all 'right-thinking 'people. Whenever this tiny minority is kept from creating, or (as sometimes happens) is driven out of a society, the people then slip back into abject poverty. This is known as “bad luck.” (Robert A. Heinlein)

By the way does anyone know why our signatures have disappeared?

That change was put into effect by one of the site admins as part of an upcoming change. There was a thread announcing it before it happened, I don't feel like looking for it right now, besides I've got some other stuff I need to attend to right now.. Tal would know where it is. The signatures were moved to what is called a bio or something to that effect.

That change was put int
o effect by one of the site admins as part of an upcoming change. There was a thread announcing it before it happened, I don't feel like looking for it right now, besides I've got some other stuff I need to attend to right now.. Tal would know where it is. The signatures were moved to what is called a bio or something to that effect.

lame

So the legal process isn't good enough? Then who is the arbiter and what's the process and who decides constitutionality? Last I looked you can challenge and appeal. Not good enough for you?
yeah I guess in a post-constitutional America that's probably the best we can expect. Several courts have ruled against various subsidies and mandates that the emperor decided were needed .But it's still full steam ahead for the emperor's implementation .He hasn't even gone to Congress to ask for remedies to bring his decisions into compliance.

The final arbiter is the people ;not the courts. The oligarchs in the courts seized the power of judicial review ;and no one ever challenged the premise .

We can wait to see what the next election brings. May as well.

Yes be hopeful an election will bring change, for Tom and smoothy release from the dreaded democrats, for Tal release from the deadly grip of the republicans in the house

elections don't bring change. the leviathan ever grows larger because with the exception of a few conservatives ,the Repubic party also believes in a large government to manage .

You have a problem Tom you have not grasped, yours is a large nation growing larger and richer, therefore nothing you do can be by definition small, and therefore you have complexity, which means many people to manage the complexity. The only thing you can really do is reduce redundancy, let the states do what they should do and fund them doing it, and let the federal government do what it should be doing, which isn't second guessing the states. You also need to stop the stapling of bills and push all appropriations into the budget, which means you have to have a different mechanism for managing the budget since the one you have doesn't work

sorry ;there are defined powers written into the constitution for the Federal Government ;and the gvt long ago exceeded their mandate.

You keep saying that so isn't the answer in the federal government pulling back from that, it is either that or abolishing state governments

No Clete, their solution is for the house to sue the president.

not mine... that law suit is the dumbest idea in a long line of dumb ideas the Bonehead led House has come up with.
I guess they haven't considered how wrought with danger it is to leave this in the hands of the judiciary .
Have they even considered the possibility that a judge might just kick their case out of court and decide the House has no standing ? You want to unleash an imperial emperor then let the courts give him a green light for his unconstitutional use of executive powers.
And you Dems had also better hope that doesn't happen because eventually there will be another Repubic Nixon in the White House. I guarantee you that if Nixon were running the show today ;that Congress wouldn't lay a glove on him .

You just don't get it. The House has discovered they are not all powerful and it vexes them greatly. Political power is no good to you when you can't exercise it to get your agenda up and the House fails to recognise that it is the Presidential agenda the people voted for in sufficient numbers to put Obama in the White House.
So the House can't get through and the President can't get through and compromise is not in the wind. You truly need to align your terms over there so you have more consensus in the direction you are going

27 working days left on the house calendar after they come from a month long vacation and all they can agree on is sue the president?

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We should be suing the house it seems. Or better yet fire them.

Well Tal it won't be long before you can fire the House if you want to. So the trick is to get the electorate focused on what's wrong in the House instead of what's wrong in the White House. I can see the confusion. An election where the policy is to sue the President, that is a real long term focus there. I mean I could just see myself voting for a candidate who has that as a primary platform. Like how dumb can you get?

the country is safer when the government is on vacation.

Yes and that means Presidential government by decree and yet isn't this the very problem, the President issues one little decree and everyone goes APE

Not everyone goes ape, just ultra conservative small government states rights advocates. WINGERS in plain language.

Well Tal that's what I meant, when the President doesn't confine his decrees to pardons and tries to get something done, the trogladites revolt

Not everyone goes ape, just ultra conservative small government states rights advocates. WINGERS in plain language.

the fact that the term "Presidential Decree" is used and you don't go "ape" is frighteningly telling .

It's hardly the end of the world Tom, and having been through it MANY times, no need to panic. I have said many times before thriving and surviving is your own personal responsibility. And the next election looms. Live in fear of your own elected government is YOUR choice. I choose differently.

Why go ape when you can thrive?

Why not just have a monach ? It is bad enough now ... when the inevidible happens ;and some appointed for life unaccountable justice tosses the Repubic case out of court and tells Bonehead he has no standing .....Whatever restraint against an imperial President ;(except impeachment ...which was diluted as a tool with the 12th amendment ) ,is gone .
Ex keeps on talking about the IRS scandal not reaching the White House and I say that just because the emperor refuses to cooperate and get to the bottom of it makes him constitutionally responsible for the outrage . His inaction is cause enough for impeachment . But the idiot Repubics can lay out a case of outrages this emperor has inflicted and still say " NO .... nothing impeachable there ! "

Proof the left actually believes Obama is a King, Emperor, or the Messiah... that they believe its his right to rule by decree, despire what the law and the constitution say about it.

Proof that the right can holler loud and produce NOTHING!! You big crybabies!!!!!!!!!!

Proof the left actually believes Obama is a King, Emperor, or the Messiah... that they believe its his right to rule by decree, despire what the law and the constitution say about it.I don't think you've ever offered proof of ANYTHING you've posted as fact here. LOL

I don't think you've ever offered proof of ANYTHING you've posted as fact here. LOL

As oppsed to you? Bwahahaha.

Look at the constitution... its spells everything out quite clearly... and its written in plain English if you ever took the time to read it.

Show proof anywhere that he does have the right to do anythign he wants despite the law or constitutionj.

The burden of proof is on the accuser. The arbiter is a judge. You haven't won in the court of opinion yet, let alone a court of law.

Neither have you. I'll put a 10 spot Obama is in front of a judge, or at least trying to delay that eventuality inside the next three years. It doesn't have to happen while he is still in office. In fact it will be easier after he is out of office. Eric Holder will be up on charges then too and can't be using the DoJ to run cover for either of them.

And there is this.....remember if you establish its legal for Obama to do it....there is absolutely NOTHING you can do when our guy decides to do it too. And We will have our guy in soon enough...most of the public have and enough of the hijinks and lies of the last 6 years.

Most Americans have had enough of the hijinx by the congress too no doubt.

House GOP calls off vote on immigration bill - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/07/31/politics/congress-immigration/index.html)


"It's beyond belief that Congress is abandoning its post while our border crisis continues to create humanitarian suffering, and criminal aliens still represent a clear threat to our citizens and our nation," Republican Gov. Rick Perry of Texas said in a statement that called for legislators to keep working in Washington "until the job is completed."


In one of the political ironies of Washington, the GOP leaders called for Obama to take steps on his own to address the border issue without congressional approval, a day after voting to sue him for doing exactly that.

tal exactly .that is why the lawsuit is such a joke ... Too bad the idiots in the Repubic leadership don't see the contradictions

and the emperor ;instead of being a leader ,taunts the Repubics instead of trying to find consensus. He sounds like Tal .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0APumTNbyI

instead of trying to find consensus

Tom you speak as though consensus is to be found lying around. Consensus is something that has to be cultivated and that starts with trust and an open mind watered by dialogue. For what you tell me, and I observe, these factors are sadly lacking, all you have is bull and bluster and whilst this might be used to fertilize the situation it usually only grows weeds

So sue me! You can't impeach me!

Tom you speak as though consensus is to be found lying around. Consensus is something that has to be cultivated and that starts with trust and an open mind watered by dialogue. For what you tell me, and I observe, these factors are sadly lacking, all you have is bull and bluster and whilst this might be used to fertilize the situation it usually only grows weeds
what we have is an uncompromising emperor and his court jester Harry Reid.

And the clown show that's Ted Cruz and the republican house. A perfect example of uncompromising seek and destroy.

The house isn't subservient to either the Senate or the White house. Only lefties believe they are.

House republicans can't even agree on anything among themselves the incompetent idiots. They are a waste of taxpayer money.

THe least competent republican is far more competent than Harry Ried OR nancy Pelosi are... not to mention Obama and all his lapdogs.

How can you tell since NOTHING gets done at all. They only get the vacation time right.

When the government is concerned... doing nothing is far better than when they actually do something which usually results in a tax increase or the reduction of someone's rights.

So when the government does nothing you're happier?

When the government does nothing... nobody gets screwed and nothing gets made worse.

If you are going to do nothing you don't need government, you don't need elections, you don't need a President, you can just go back to your over grown backwoods existence

Nobody needs life long career politicians... they are the problem everywhere..

Yes I agree with ours seem to get out at the twenty year mark and don't stay in high office more than ten years, but I agree there should be term limits