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jlisenbe
Jul 23, 2014, 02:12 PM
Just took it off. Looks like it is 50 years old. Two questions:
1. Can I replace just the pump and not the rest of it?
2. Either way, what is a good place to buy the parts? Should I try online, or go with a local place such as Advance Auto?
It is a 1989 Chevy S-10.
TxGreaseMonkey
Jul 23, 2014, 04:28 PM
Do all of it. Advance Auto Parts is fine.
CaptainRich
Jul 24, 2014, 05:17 AM
It would be a shame to replace just the pump and then next month or so have the sender fail and have to take the tank down again. Best to replace the entire pump/sending unit and be done.
I use Advanced Auto.
jlisenbe
Jul 24, 2014, 04:14 PM
Thanks, guys. I'll let you know how it goes.
jlisenbe
Jul 25, 2014, 07:41 PM
Went to Advance Auto to order pump, but they did not have one, so I decided to just order off their website. Found the pump referenced below on AA for 238.00. Found what seems to be the same pump on Amazon for 95.00. Same model #, looks the same, etc. I like it since it is all metal and not plastic. So I ordered it. Let you know what happens when I get it in.
Might add I hadn't cranked the truck in a few months. Many wasps had to be subdued.
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=Airtex%20E3637S%20Fuel%20Pump%20Sender%20 Assembly
jlisenbe
Aug 1, 2014, 05:29 PM
Finally got the new pump in. Tried hooking it up outside the truck. Turned on key, got a good ground, but nothing. Same thing was true of old pump, but I thought it was the pump in that case. Am I missing something here?
TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 1, 2014, 05:45 PM
. Check all under hood and under dash fuses with a test light or multi-meter.
. Check/replace fuel pump relay.
. Check ignition switch for wear, pitting, or melting.
. Ensure battery is fully charged, terminals and connections are clean and tight, and the main ground is good.
jlisenbe
Aug 2, 2014, 09:07 AM
Battery is good...new. Ignition switch seems to do everything it is supposed to do.
Where is the relay? I've posted what seems to be two good possibilities.
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TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 2, 2014, 09:53 AM
Check your Owner's Manual--it may be in the under hood fuse/relay box. Sometimes, you can substitute one of the other relays in the under hood fuse/relay box, provided they are identical. Then, if it solves the problem, buy a new relay.
If it is not in the under hood fuse/relay box, I would lean towards it being one of the relays in the first picture.
Did you check all fuses?
jlisenbe
Aug 2, 2014, 11:52 AM
OK. Problem solved. The relay is in the pic of the two relays sitting side by side. One serves the AC clutch and the other the fuel pump. They are identical. So here I am putting in an unneeded fuel pump because I did not know there was a relay. At any rate, I guess it's a good idea to put in a new pump after 25 years. The old one did look pretty bad.
Might add that I did not locate a fuse which controlled the pump. Owner's manual did not specify one. I checked them all just to be safe.
Thanks for your help.
TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 2, 2014, 11:56 AM
So the fuel pump works and the engine starts? If so, you've had a good day.
jlisenbe
Aug 2, 2014, 02:45 PM
So the fuel pump works and the engine starts? If so, you've had a good day.
Celebrated a little soon. The relay works and the pump cuts on. Tried it one time outside of tank to be sure. Ran it for a couple of seconds only. Put pump in. I can hear it kick on when I turn on the key. It stays on for a couple of seconds and cuts off. It's my understanding that it's supposed to do that, then cut on when you crank it. Well, it'll crank just fine when I prime it, but won't hit a lick without the prime. So far as I can tell, I'm not getting gas to the carb. So what's next? Filter?
BTW, new pump is AC-Delco and put a new filter on the pump as well.
TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 2, 2014, 03:07 PM
The fuel rail, going to the Throttle Body Injection (TBI), needs to be fully pressurized in order for the engine to start--you do not have a carburetor. Turn the ignition switch to ON and wait for the fuel pump to stop. Then, turn the ignition switch OFF. Repeat this sequence two more times. On the final time, turn the ignition switch to START. Hopefully, it fires right up. Make sure you have more than a token amount of fresh gas in the tank.
jlisenbe
Aug 2, 2014, 03:31 PM
Tried that several times. No luck. Won't hit a lick.
How can be sure that the pump is actually pumping gas? I know it's kicking on.
TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 2, 2014, 04:00 PM
Check the pressure at the fuel rail (Schrader valve). Otherwise, check the flow through the fuel filter.
Is the gas tank full? Have you checked for spark?
jlisenbe
Aug 2, 2014, 04:19 PM
Check the pressure at the fuel rail (Schrader valve). Otherwise, check the flow through the fuel filter.
Is the gas tank full? Have you checked for spark?
Put some gas in it. Not full, but should be plenty. Haven't checked for spark, but it will fire up fine when I prime it. Won't do anything without it but turn over.
Did not see a schrader valve. I'll try to check the flow tomorrow. Much as I hate to admit it, I might be whipped. Might have to get it towed. It's just an old pickup that it's nice to have around. Hate to spend a ton on it, but I guess I'll have to spend some. Thanks for your help. I might hit it again a little more next Saturday. I have located the filter. It's kind of tucked in between the engine and firewall.
TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 2, 2014, 04:27 PM
Consider replacing the filter--it may be clogged.
When did the engine last start and run normally? I ask because I sometimes see engines that will start with starting fluid but not continue to run. Frequently, it is because the Ignition Control Module (ICM) is bad.
jlisenbe
Aug 3, 2014, 04:56 AM
Been a few months. This is my dad's old truck. It has never run well for me. Had to have it towed a couple of years ago. Fuel related issue that time as well. I noticed there seems to be a lot of material at the bottom of the fuel tank.
How would an ICM disrupt fuel flow? Would that happen at the injectors?
TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 3, 2014, 05:52 AM
Likely dirt and/or rust--one reason the fuel filter may be plugged. The tank should be dropped and cleaned out or replaced.
A good ICM ensures the plugs fire when they are supposed to. A failing ICM may fire the plugs at the wrong time but give the appearance that everything is okay, when starting fluid is used. Starting fluid ensures all the plugs have fuel for a short period of time; however, the engine won't run for long. The ICM doesn't disrupt fuel flow; instead, it allows the plugs to fire in sync with the fuel injector system. In other words, starting fluid can mask a faulty ignition system and lead you to the wrong conclusion (i.e., instead of being a fuel problem, it's really an ignition system problem).
jlisenbe
Aug 16, 2014, 12:38 PM
OK. Back at it. I know the pump is pumping. Ran it through a two foot or so line into a plastic container. Seems to be pumping good and strong. So I guess the filter is the next likely place to look. Try that today.
Question. When the line exits the filter, it goes around the end of the motor and disappears. On the other side, there seems to be three lines. One goes into the back end of the manifold, while the other two enter the carburetor looking device, one on either side of it, and seem to lead to the injector at the top. If that is the case, then there must be some device that takes the one gas line and splits it into two. Is that the case?
TxGreaseMonkey
Aug 16, 2014, 01:00 PM
One of those lines is likely the fuel pressure regulator line, which returns fuel to the gas tank if the pressure is too high. The incoming fuel line should feed into the Throttle Body Injector.
If the engine does not start, after changing the fuel filter, focus on the Ignition Control Module.
jlisenbe
Aug 16, 2014, 01:30 PM
OK. Will do.
jlisenbe
Sep 1, 2014, 09:26 AM
OK. Back on the job. Put on new fuel filter. Not any better. Please look at the two pics I have posted. Shouldn't I be gettting fuel at that point? As you can see, there is not a drop. Could I have a blocked fuel line?4652446525
TxGreaseMonkey
Sep 1, 2014, 09:45 AM
You definitely should have fuel at that point. Try disconnecting the line at the filter and blowing compressed air through it.
jlisenbe
Sep 2, 2014, 06:38 PM
TX, is there anything between the filter and the point I show in the photo where the fuel line enters the injector body (or whatever it's called)? Is that just one line all the way, or there is another part that I cannot see?
TxGreaseMonkey
Sep 3, 2014, 04:54 AM
It should be one line all the way.
jlisenbe
Sep 4, 2014, 06:33 PM
OK. I'll finally have some time on Saturday. I'm going to blow out the fuel line to the tank, and then see what I'm getting out of that line.
jlisenbe
Sep 6, 2014, 02:36 PM
I seem to be getting a good flow of fuel all the way to the top of the filter. I've posted a pic of the where two lines enter the carb/f-inj. Which one is the main fuel line, the one on the left or right? The one on the right is a little larger.
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TxGreaseMonkey
Sep 6, 2014, 03:22 PM
One is likely the fuel pressure regulator return line to the gas tank. My guess is that the one on the right is the incoming line, but you need to see which one goes to the gas tank. Why don't you disconnect the fuel line at the filter and blow compressed air forward, after taking a rag and covering the lines. This should answer your question.
jlisenbe
Sep 11, 2014, 05:39 PM
Will do.
jlisenbe
Sep 25, 2014, 06:16 PM
Giving up on it, Tex. Going to have it towed to my mechanic. I'll let you know what it turns out to be.
TxGreaseMonkey
Sep 25, 2014, 07:21 PM
Thank you.
jlisenbe
Oct 26, 2014, 12:11 PM
Turned out to be the fuel injector. I considered replacing that but decided it was a little beyond what I wanted to do. Thanks for your advice. It was good to have.
jlisenbe
Nov 25, 2014, 05:46 PM
Made the ultimate repair. Sold the truck!