Would you say that with that action ,the US government has joined the BDS movement against Israel ?

Sec State John F. Kerry flew into Ben Gurion Int. Airport despite the ban ,defying the warning and the obvious danger of a random rocket making it through the Iron Dome. When putting away his reading material before landing he got a paper cut . He is now in line for another Purple Heart .

but I digress.
It has always been a goal of Hamas to shut down Ben Gurion . Well done US !! You have given them tremendous leverage in their Cairo negotiations. Kerry has implied on more than one occassion that US commerce with Israel could be affected if they don't kow-tow to our will.

The terms of the ceasefire deal are emerging .They include opening the check point at Rafah into Sinai with Fatah’s militias to control the crossing .The deal also allows Gaza a "fishing zone" (ie smuggle in arms via the sea ) ,and an end to Israel’s naval blockade of Gaza. Hamas also wants the reconstruction of the Yasser Arafat Airport in the Rafah (air delivery of weapons ) .It is unclear if Israel will nix any of the terms .
The best part of the deal is that Qatar will provide $$$$ for Hamas "salaries" (ie money to buy more weaponry ).Oh yeah ;and Hamas is demanding the release of 60 Hamas officials arrested by Israel in the West Bank in response to the kidnapping and murder of the three Israeli teens.
Hamas is holding out because they wanted to create a 'mass-casualty event' so they can claim victory . Not sure if the 13 Israeli soldiers KIA qualifies. The closing of Ben Gurion clearly is a Hamas victory .
Look for Kerry to be nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize .

No Tom I think it is sensible, you can't have business as usual and a war. Besides rockets have fallen close to Ben Gurion and noone wants a repeat of the Ukraine that would give the palestinians a victory and noone wants that.Any way your headlines is a beatup




And after a rocket launched from Gaza landed within a mile of Ben Gurion airport in Tel Aviv, the agency banned flights from the United States to Israel for 24 hours.



Hamas needs a rocket shoved right up you know where

If you can find them. That's the problem, they can't find Hamas and blowing up everything in Gaza hasn't stopped the rockets, or Hamas. Israel is playing the terrorist game and will pay a huge price.

and blowing up everything in Gaza hasn't stopped the rockets
is that what you think ? that Israel is "blowing up everything" ?


No Tom I think it is sensible Everyone else is still flying in . If it's sensible then why only a 24 hr restriction ? No ;it's designed to send a message to Israel.

Kerry's daddy is Jewish, wonder why he is so anti? The guy could do Scarecrow in a modern remake of the"Wizard of Oz".

The ban is limited to 24 hours and give Israel time to ramp up its security measures and then be reevaluated.

As I said before the message to Israel is you can't have a war and business as usual, civilians have to be protected and it is a sensible protection not just imposed by the US. Cease fire has been called for, don't know what else you can do but keep your cotton pickin nose out of it for once, but no, Kerry is looking for a nomination out of this. You think Israel has gone the terrorist road, but the palistinians just don't get the message, keep your head down, stop the argy bargy, and things might improve after a while, but hey no one said Israel or Gaza were free countries, each has its own problems and I certainly would not like to live next to a potential terrorist

I don't think Israel as gone the terrorist road at all. This is what I think . Israel was told "land for peace" . They gave up the land ,and got an endless barrage of missiles instead . They were told if you don't give up land for peace then you suffer the consequences of BDS . Instead ,now they are suffering effective BDS for the audacity of defending themselves ;and they have most of the world ;including the so called civilized world rooting for their destruction.

JF Kerry was forced to undergo a metal detector screening before seeing Egyptian President Sissi . Now why would he be subject to that humiliation ? Perhaps it's because we supported the Hamas backed Muslim Brotherhood terror network during the Arab Spring ? The same network that is attacking Egypt today across the Libyian border . Yes Libya ,the nation we made safe for jihadists.
Gunmen attack Egypt troops, killing 21 near Libya | News24 (http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Gunmen-attack-Egypt-troops-killing-21-near-Libya-20140720-6)

Everybody is at war, screw the spin.

The ban is limited to 24 hours and give Israel time to ramp up its security measures and then be reevaluated

They have been extended ;and will continue to be until Israel succumbs to the will of the emperor and his Grima Wormtongue ,JF Kerry.

Can you conservatives do without soaring rhetoric? The FAA has its own security interests. Like safety of planes, crew, and passenger. And what kind of DUFUS expects tourists while terrorists are shooting missiles at him?

Israel continues to have tourism . These rocket attacks did not start last week . They have been continuous since they surrendered Gaza for peace. They have had tourist even though the missile attacks on Israel average 3 every day since 2001.

Gave Hamas a nice propaganda victory (http://news.yahoo.com/world-suspension-israel-flights-great-victory-hamas-161508458.html;_ylt=AwrBEiI44M9Tp0oA2mbQtDMD).

Propaganda is BS.

Good for them.

This from the administration responsible for Fast and Furious, Benghazi, Persecution by the IRS, and the open doors policy for illegals, etc, etc, um... ok...

The FAA ban is to protect US citizens. Is that the wrong thing to do?

a rocket landed a mile away from the airport . If I wanted to go to Israel ,I'd fly El Al anyway . All they really are doing is punishing Israel and travelers who want to go there . Like I said ,Israel has lived under the constant threat of missile strikes for a decade .

Propaganda is BS.

not in this case. Israel doesn't want all out war . But now the perception in most of the world will be that Hamas forced Israel to accept a cease fire on Hamas terms.

You'd think they would have banned going near the Mexican border after arming all the drug lords on the other side of it with automaic weapons. That was and remains a far greater threat.

Well you got the Patriot Act and spying on americans and no-fly lists so this isn't much different, except that it's short term.

It's entirely different.

One stands a much better chance flying safely in and out of Tel Aviv than Pakistan or Afghanistan. It's a de facto economic boycott on Israel and a win for an officially designated terror group, our supposed ally's enemy dedicated to Israel's complete destruction.

I flew into Beirut during their civil war . We taxied to a far end of the tarmac and soldiers entered the plane to inspect the passengers and luggage. I don't recall there being any restrictions.....maybe some travel advisories.

This is all you need to know about the animals in Hamas .
UNRWA Condemns Placement of Rockets, for a Second Time, in One of Its Schools | UNRWA (http://www.unrwa.org/newsroom/press-releases/unrwa-condemns-placement-rockets-second-time-one-its-schools)

it seems you think we need reminding that Hamas are terrorists,it is easy to forget that terror is also being delivered to 1.5 million gazans. What is needed here is a cease fire and a police action to remove offensive arms from Gaza, that aspect hasn't been part of previous solutions but removal of arms must be part of any solution

terror is also being delivered to 1.5 million gazans yeah that old moral equivalence nonsense .

THere are no innocent Gazans, Gaza attacked Israel unprovoked... they are getting what they had coming. Just like the Germans did, and the Japanese did.

Israel has the right to reposess Gaza, it was given to the Palestinians in exchange for peace... and the Palestinians haven't fulfilled their end of the deal YET.

Don't pay for your car or your house....and they take it off of you. Gaza should be retturned to Israel.

Gaza has always been contentious, it was a separate enclave when Israel was established under Egyptian governance and remains a separate enclave today under Hamas rule, however you cannot say all Gazans are guilty of the attack on Israel. Peace deals come and go particularly in the middle east, but the people of the west bank have demonstrated that they can live in relative peace with Israel even if it took a great wall to enforce it. No wall would stop Hamas firing rockets, but it is the radical movement Hamas and others who have to be dealt with. I'm sure you don't think all Germans are guilty of the Holocaust but the argument that all Gazans are guilty is the same argument, collective guilt. As part of any peace deal Israel and Egypt need to allow a more open border passage as would be normal in any other border

No war has ever been won by anyone who fought it with one or two arms tied behind their back when the other side had no restrictions.

well Tom the Muslims have imposed a crusade on us, back to slaying the infidel, one thousand years and we haven't moved very far, we have people fighting over the possession of palestine, and just try to tell me this isn't a religious war

of course it is ... But what this really is ,is Hamas attacking Israel ,then gaining victory through defeat because the "international community " will force Israel to make concessions in the cease fire. I've already outlined Hamas' terms. They don't care how many Gazans get killed .

yes Tom it is strategy and politics as long as your bullshlt politicians run around counting coup and furthering their own careers, What I say is they don't care how many gazans get killed and they don't care how many Israeli's get killed because noone has struck a rocket up their comfortable a$$. I'm sick of the platitudes Tom, no one gave a Shlt about the plight of the gazans until they launched a rocket, all they preached is a two state solution to people who wanted something different. The Israeli's wanted to walk on the Holy Land and they do, Gaza was never part of that place and that dream, this is why they were prepared to give it up, it has always belonged to the phillistines and this is the latest edition and yes, those terrorists have to be dealt with

the only solution ,short of total destruction and salting the land , is a demilitarized Gaza . When the "international community " realizes this and does it's part to enforce it ,only then can the issues regarding a Palestinian state be addressed.
Hamas is getting close to the Israeli coastal cities from the western outlands . Can you imagine what would happen if the Israelis completely gave up the highlands in the West Bank overlooking their coastal population centers ? I will not take seriously any criticism of Israeli tactics until they have assurances that their population won't live under the constant threat of missile attacks ,with their 1-5 minute warnings sirens constantly going off day and night .

Hamas will eventually get rockets with a hundred miles range to upgrade the 50 mile ones. Matter of time. They should have cut a deal 25 years ago.

or we could support the Sissi gvt in Egypt and get their assistance to control the Sinai.

We already are working with the Egyptians to get a cease fire. A number of other Arab countries are already on board.

yeah I know Qatar will provide money for Hamas to buy more weapons and of course the 12ers in Tehran are doing their part . Did you hear that they have Hamas and Hezbollah in a joint command center in Lebanon ;and that they may give the command to open this up to a 2 front war?

What's NEW??

did you hear about the Hamas rockets that were being stowed in 2 UN run schools in Gaza ? Just so you don't wonder why civilian casualties are so high in Gaza.

Civilian casualties are high because there have been 3,000 missile strikes in Gaza.

Civilian casulties are hight because Hamas launches rockets from Schools, apartments and Hospitals... and the brain damaged troglodytes are too dumb to leave when Israel calls them telling them to get out now while you can. Before they send in the anti-hamas devices.

Tal ,ok so then it's ok for Hamas to store missiles in a school . Glad you made that clear. And what does that tell you about where the UN sympathies lie ?

you have no idea about what is going on . Do you know that the Israelis make cell calls to the people in the areas they are going to hit ,warning them before the attack ? Then after they call ,they make a low level "tap" on the building ,again with the purpose of warning the people in a building that it will be hit .
The difference in civilian casualties is basically this ....the Israelis use rockets to protect their civilians ;Hamas use their civilians as human shields to protect their rockets.
The Israelis sent tons of cement into Gaza to help them build infrastructure . They used it to create a maze of tunnels under their population to wage war on Israel.

Lets be clear on a few points Tom, Hamas IS the enemy, gotcha, most of the Palestinians are not members of Hamas. The biggest factor for me is the Israeli's will never have peace and security no matter how many missiles they launch, or civilians get killed. Their way has not worked despite the siege on Gaza they have maintained for how many DECADES?

Hamas leader calls for humanitarian truce in Gaza (http://news.yahoo.com/hamas-leader-meshaal-says-ready-accept-humanitarian-truce-185718336.html)

They did this once before so likely they will do it again. Oh well, it's something.

Tom, I just noticed you proposed a demilitarised Gaza, Gaza has no formal military force it has militants and one suspects they are not under the control of anyone. To demilitarise Gaza everyone of those people would need to be captured, disarmed, removed and imprisoned and still you wouldn't have solved the problem. The lives of the Gazan have to be normalised so they can live like anyoneelse, not restricted as to what they can import except for arms. There, in fact, needs to be a three state solution because a divided Palistinian nation is never going to work, I cannot see Israel providing unfetted access between the two areas and neither should they be expected to. All those displaced Palistinians need to be removed from Gaza so that Gaza exists for its original population but as one might expect they would not be welcome in Israel where they came from and they would not be welcome in the West Bank. Once it might have been different but not now.


Tom your people woudl not be willing to give up their arms and for the same reasons nor would the Palistinians, how could you make a proposal you wouldn't enter into yourself

Tal ,the last time there was a "humanitarian truce " ;Hamas violated it AND massacred Palestinian inhabitants of Gaza they suspected of collaboration. They then blamed the massacre on the Israelis .

Clete "my people " do not have a charter that calls for the destruction of a neighbor state and the extermination of it's population. My solution is that Gaza was once Egyptian territory ,and so it should return to Egyptian control. War against terrorists is no different than war against pirates . Those actors should have no quarter .


Their way has not worked despite the siege on Gaza they have maintained for how many DECADES?

Again a distortion of history . The Israelis WITHDREW from Gaza and they got a barrage of rockets as a reward .

The Israeli's withdrew from Gaza because it was a no win situation, they withdrew their settlements, a dangerous precident. You know as well as I do Tom the Egyptians don't want Gaza back, to administer it might lead to another war with Israel. The Israeli's don't want gaza back. The Egyptians refused to take it back, a sort of you won it, you've got it.

You can wage a war against terrorists but what is the point when for every one you kill, you kill ten or more civilians including kids. Sadly it would seem occupation and pacification is the only way, making the hunt for terrorists a police not military action. Did you ever see the film the Seige, somewhat prophetic of this situation in a way. The point was made that using the military to hunt terrorists in a civilian population is a bad idea, using a hammer to crack an egg

The Israeli's withdrew from Gaza because it was a no win situation
No ,they withdrew on one of those 'land for peace' deals. They left behind an economic infrastructure that the Palestinians trashed ;and they continued to provide cement and building supplies that Hamas used to build tunnels. They still provide hospital care for Gazans who get caught in the crossfire.

What this is proving is that 'land for peace ' is a failed negotiation position. But still the idiot we call Sec State is going around the world saying "pre 1967 boundries " .

No ,they withdrew on one of those 'land for peace' deals. They left behind an economic infrastructure that the Palestinians trashed ;and they continued to provide cement and building supplies that Hamas used to build tunnels. They still provide hospital care for Gazans who get caught in the crossfire.

What this is proving is that 'land for peace ' is a failed negotiation position. But still the idiot we call Sec State is going around the world saying "pre 1967 boundries " .

I told you before Tom Kerry is just counting coup to bolster his chances of nomination. He doesn't care about the integrity of Israel or the Palestinians. Why america is trying to broker a peace deal is a complete mystery. It would be better if other parties were involved, Hamas might listen. The international community is hand wringing about the fate of those "innocent" civilians who would celebrate is another 9/11 happened. The world had to reduce Germany and Japan to rubble and sadly Gaza must suffer the same fate before attitudes change. Forget the past successes, you can be assured the Palestinians are only focused on the past losses and Kerry has bought the package, you and I both know an oubreak of violence was anticipated when Netanyahoo took over