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smoothy
Apr 25, 2014, 07:16 AM
CAIR Targets Private Citizens in Michigan for Opposing Construction of Islamic Center


http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04/25/cair-targets-private-citizens-michigan-opposing-construction-islamic-center/

Posted on April 25, 2014 (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04/25/cair-targets-private-citizens-michigan-opposing-construction-islamic-center/) by Pamela Geller (http://www.dcclothesline.com/author/pamela-geller/)
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This multi-million dollar Muslim Brotherhood machine (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2013/08/06/obama-reportedly-to-meet-with-muslim-brotherhood-officials-in-the-white-house-geller-atlas-shrugs/) is steamrolling over everyone and everything in their path. Now they are harassing and bullying ordinary American citizens (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/american-citizens/). Hamas-CAIR (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/hamas-cair/) systematically destroy voices of freedom while using their leftist lapdogs in the media and culture to whitewash their terror ties.
The media and entertainment elites have been doing the bidding of Hamas-CAIR. Just this week, Hamas operative and CAIR founder Nihad Awad spoke at the premiere of the pro-jihad documentary called “Newburgh Sting” at the Tribeca Film Festival. The film is a propaganda (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/propaganda/) piece about the four Muslims who were convicted of plotting to blow up synagogues in the Bronx and shoot down a military (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/military/) jet and sentenced to 25 years in prison.
The CAIR annual banquet is being sponsored by ABC News 7, J P Morgan and other financial (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/financial/) institutions. CAIR's jihad millions buy media and men and now they are going after private citizens. It sends a message. It sends a message to every single American that if you dare to oppose Islamic supremacism (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/islamic-supremacism/), you will be targeted, smeared, harassed and driven to bankruptcy through legal channels.
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I am thrilled that our legal team David Yerushalmi and Robert Muise are going after these Muslim thugs and supremacists.
“CAIR Targets Private Citizens in Michigan (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/michigan/) for
Opposing Construction of Islamic Center,” AFLC, (http://us4.campaign-archive1.com/?u=3e52ed38f7d08a87b0d892f46&id=ed99b44ef0&e=ac64c20a01)April 24, 2014

https://gallery.mailchimp.com/3e52ed38f7d08a87b0d892f46/images/cair_michigan_borderjpg_a1303223f31e4345.png.pngAF LC is representing seven private citizens who were issued harassing subpoenas by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) because they publicly expressed their opposition to the construction of an Islamic center in their neighborhood in Pittsfield Township, Michigan.

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smoothy
Apr 25, 2014, 07:17 AM
In 2012, the Muslim Community Association of Ann Arbor (MCA) requested that the Township rezone a parcel of land to build an Islamic School and community center. The Township denied the request, citing infrastructure and traffic concerns. Nevertheless, CAIR, which bills itself as “America's largest Muslim civil liberties (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/civil-liberties/) and advocacy organization,” filed a federal civil rights lawsuit against the Township on behalf of the MCA, alleging that the denial of the MCA's rezoning application violated the Islamic group's constitutional and statutory rights.
The MCA's rezoning request was opposed by a group of Township residents who live in the neighborhood of the proposed construction. The residents expressed concerns about the traffic congestion that would be caused by the construction of a school and community center in their neighborhood. Pursuant to their rights protected by the First Amendment (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/first-amendment/), these private citizens circulated and submitted to their elected Township officials a petition expressing their opposition to the rezoning and several of them spoke out at public hearings held by the Township to discuss the matter.
As a result, CAIR served harassing subpoenas on a number of these citizens, demanding that they produce private emails and other documents, and in some cases, appear for a deposition.
Indeed, AFLC is representing a husband and wife who came home one day to find several papers jammed in the crack of the front door of their home. The papers included subpoenas demanding the production of personal emails and other documents and a subpoena commanding the wife to appear at a deposition.
In response to CAIR's discovery requests, AFLC filed a motion to “quash” and for a protective order in the United States (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/united-states/) District Court for the Eastern District of Michigan, arguing that CAIR's discovery demands were harassing, irrelevant, and oppressive. As stated in AFLC's memorandum in support of its motion:
As a private citizen and resident of the Township, [AFLC's client] has a fundamental right to publicly express to her elected officials her opposition to Plaintiff's proposal, which will personally impact her by increasing traffic in her neighborhood. [AFLC's client] had no authority whatsoever to either grant or deny Plaintiff's rezoning application—she is a private citizen, not a public official. Her personal views, whether expressed to the Township, Township officials, or her neighbors, are not remotely relevant in this litigation.
Robert Muise, AFLC Co-Founder and Senior Counsel, commented: “There is no doubt that CAIR – a sharia-adherent Islamist group that notoriously uses the legal system to silence any opposition to its nefarious agenda – is abusing the discovery process to retaliate against and intimidate private citizens who dared to publicly express their opposition to the Islamic center. AFLC is quite familiar with CAIR's bullying tactics, which is why it is important that we defend these private citizens' constitutional rights (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/constitutional-rights/).”
David Yerushalmi, AFLC Co-Founder and Senior Counsel, commented: “CAIR's discovery demands plainly infringe upon precious First Amendment liberties and the paramount right of a private citizen to publicly express her opinions to elected representatives on matters that affect her and her community. On a broader level, CAIR's decision to browbeat these ordinary Americans (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/americans/) clearly shows the pervasiveness of sharia-adherent Islam and its 'civilizational jihad' within our borders. Needless to say, if CAIR wishes to persecute Americans through the legal system, they'll have to contend with us.”
CAIR, a self-described Muslim public interest law firm, was previously named as a Muslim Brotherhood (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/muslim-brotherhood/)-Hamas front group by the FBI and the U.S. Attorney's Office in the federal criminal trial and conviction of a terrorist funding cell organized around one of the largest Muslim charities, the Holy Land Foundation (HLF). HLF raised funds for violent jihad on behalf of Hamas, and top CAIR officials were part of the conspiracy (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/conspiracy/). As a result, the FBI publicly announced that it has terminated any outreach activities with the national organization.
Pamela Geller (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/pamela-geller/) is the Editor of PamelaGeller.com (http://pamelageller.com/2014/04/cair-targets-private-citizens-michigan-opposing-construction-islamic-center.html/)

Catsmine
Apr 25, 2014, 09:07 AM
My, the jihadis do seem to have toned it down when moving to America. In Jihadistan, they'd be raping your daughter to shut you up. They'd even call it legal if she was older than 9.

smoothy
Apr 25, 2014, 09:12 AM
If they wait until 9 she's considered an old maid.

They definately don't believe in free speach...unless its their own.

talaniman
Apr 25, 2014, 09:34 AM
'Not a lot of support' for Michigan Islamic Academy in Pittsfield Township (http://www.annarbor.com/business-review/not-a-lot-of-support-for-michigan-islamic-academy-in-pittsfield-township/)

The private school proposal called for capacity for 360 students from pre-kindergarten through high school, giving the school - now based on Plymouth Road in Ann Arbor - enough room to expand in lower grades and eventually close the existing facility. A community center also would have been sought on the property in coming years.
The existing school, now based within the Muslim Community Association of Ann Arbor, now has 198 students enrolled, according to building staff.
More than a dozen residents spoke against the proposal or sent letters expressing their concerns.


Just some background on this very old ongoing controversy. I suppose they could have gone the second amendment resolution path so favored by conservative patriotic militias. I mean is it so far fetched for a community center in THEIR neighborhood that is certainly GROWING?

smoothy
Apr 25, 2014, 09:37 AM
Maybe the fact this is NOT a Muslim contry... non-Muslims have their right to input on community issues... and an Organization with known and proven terrorist ties has ZERO right threatening anyone here...

If it was any other group they would be charged with hate crimes... But if you are white and Christian under this administration... you have no rights.

Catsmine
Apr 25, 2014, 10:49 AM
this very old ongoing controversy.

Since about 619 A.D. when Aisha was married to their holy man.

talaniman
Apr 25, 2014, 11:22 AM
Its not a hate crime to want a religious based community center. Christians do it all the time. Or does freedom of religion ONLY apply to Christians?


Since about 619 A.D. when Aisha was married to their holy man.

Christianity was having its own problems during that time. Guess you can't go anywhere without running into the local yokel nut job that blame their lunacy on whatever god they can find.

Every religion has its fringe lunatics.

smoothy
Apr 25, 2014, 11:39 AM
Its not a hate crime to want a religious based community center. Christians do it all the time. Or does freedom of religion ONLY apply to Christians?
It is when you hire a muslim terrorist group (CAIR) to attack non-muslim people opposed to it.

Any group that CAIR supports.....is automatically suspect. Anyone CAIR attacks .....is the true hero.

Catsmine
Apr 25, 2014, 03:42 PM
Every religion has its fringe lunatics.

The FOUNDER of their faith was Aisha's husband. He married her when she was 6 years old.

talaniman
Apr 25, 2014, 03:49 PM
Lets not start the pedophile argument. You must not be Catholic. Or ignore the history of Christianity, spread by blood from the sword.

smoothy
Apr 25, 2014, 04:53 PM
As opposed to Islam that was spread under threat of convert or die horribly? A policy they STILL adhear to rabidly.

smoothy
Apr 25, 2014, 07:07 PM
Gee Catsmine... whats with the negative rep on a current events discussion. When that last comment is historically accurate?

paraclete
Apr 25, 2014, 07:30 PM
let's get this straight, when, since Muslims realised they could rule themselves have they not behaved badly? Personally I think they should all be shipped back to their country of origin and ancestory. Iraq and Syria have demonstrated that they cannot behave rationally amongst themselves, why then should others be subject to their sectarian and religious B/S. Right now the world has a serious refugee problem and we look to see who these people are. The vast majority are Muslims, the victims of the inhumanity of their own people. they want their Ummah, their Caliphate. Let them have it and live there leaving the rest of us alone for we crave not their company

Catsmine
Apr 26, 2014, 04:17 AM
Gee Catsmine... whats with the negative rep on a current events discussion. When that last comment is historically accurate?

That was supposed to be a positive. I'll see if I can edit.

paraclete
Apr 26, 2014, 08:06 AM
how do you get a positive out of pedophilia?

smoothy
Apr 26, 2014, 08:30 AM
how do you get a positive out of pedophilia?I don't know... ask the Muslims... they have some fixation with virgins and impressionable prepubescent young girls dating back to Mohammed.

Me as a Protestant....want a woman old enough to know what she wants already....that doesn't need brainwashed.....and in fact....if she's NOT a virgin.....who cares?

THe fact I've been married over 20 years doesn't change that.....I felt that way long before I met my wife.

talaniman
Apr 26, 2014, 11:08 AM
Like Christians, Jews and Hindus, and ALL the rest, Muslims have many divergent groups within the whole. Broad brushing any religion ignores cultural nuances between them. That only makes you factually correct in a very narrow sense Smoothy, specific to but a few sects that may,or may NOT be completely true.

Beliefs are like that. Ancient man made up all kind of stuff around the village fires.

paraclete
Apr 26, 2014, 03:47 PM
Just ancient man?

smoothy
Apr 26, 2014, 07:23 PM
Like Christians, Jews and Hindus, and ALL the rest, Muslims have many divergent groups within the whole. Broad brushing any religion ignores cultural nuances between them. That only makes you factually correct in a very narrow sense Smoothy, specific to but a few sects that may,or may NOT be completely true.

Beliefs are like that. Ancient man made up all kind of stuff around the village fires.
Hardly in a NAORROW sense... the vast majority of muslims hold to those beliefs... those who don't are a tiny minority. Muslims who get to pick their spouses are a tiny minority as well... most of them the parents have decided who will marry who while they are still small children... and its not uncommon in many countries where its allowed that the girls are married off long before they turn 18 to men who in some cases are much older.

I don't dream this up...and I certainly didn't get it from the liberal media. I've been told this directly by muslim women I know from 5 differnt countries.

paraclete
Apr 26, 2014, 07:27 PM
Yes we know muslim are tribal and adheree to centuries old customs, this is nothing new, it just reinforces what a barbaric society they are and like King George I will not allow a barbaric society on my borders, or within them

Catsmine
Apr 27, 2014, 04:19 AM
Like Christians, Jews and Hindus


Those mostly condemn you in the afterlife if you leave the faith. 90% of the Muslim world beheads you as soon as they catch you.

paraclete
Apr 27, 2014, 04:28 AM
and this proves only that they are barbarians

Catsmine
Apr 27, 2014, 08:01 AM
and this proves only that they are barbarians

Which is where we started.

smoothy
Apr 30, 2014, 10:42 AM
More proof of the mindset these degenerates have... and are trying to force upon us here.

Arizona Muslim claims Islamic Law (sharia) gives him right to kill wifePosted on April 30, 2014 (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04/30/arizona-muslim-claims-islamic-law-sharia-gives-right-kill-wife/) by Pamela Geller (http://www.dcclothesline.com/author/pamela-geller/)
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/ansar-.jpeg

The thing is, he’s right. Sharia (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/sharia/) does give him that right.

“Man allegedly claims Islamic Law (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/islamic-law/) gives him to right to kill wife,” By Kim Schriner, FOX 10 News, (http://www.myfoxphoenix.com/story/25369437/2014/04/28/man-allegedly-claims-islamic-law-gives-him-to-right-to-kill-wife) April 28, 2014
AVONDALE, Ariz. – Police (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/police/) say a valley man threatened to kill his wife, telling his victim “Islamic Law” gave him the right to kill her.
Ansar Muhammad (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/muhammad/), 43, is facing several charges, including assault and imprisonment.
According to the police report, on April 26, Muhammad sexually assaulted the victim, held her against her will while threatening to kill her, punched and strangulated her, causing physical injuries at their home near 112th Avenue and Encanto Boulevard.
Police say the victim fled to a neighbor’s home to call them after the suspect fell asleep.
Muhammad was detained outside his residence upon police arrival and refused to make any statements.
In the report, police say their investigation determined that Muhammad and the victim were arguing about her having an affair when “Ansar picked the victim up, carrying her like a baby and put her in their vehicle against her will.” He then proceeded to drive to the rear of a nearby Walgreens store where “Ansar began to assault the victim by punching her multiple times, leaving physical injuries on her face, neck, back, chest and legs.”
When the victim continued to try to get away and told him to stop, police say he told the victim he was going to kill her because he had the right due to his “Islamic Belief.”
The victim told police Muhammad then drove back to their home and threatened to throw her in a lake because she can’t swim. When they arrived at the residence, Muhammad told the victim to remain quiet and not wake their three children (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/children/) before taking her phone, per the police report.
Muhammad was arrested and booked into the Avondale city jail and later transported to the Maricopa County jail. He faces aggravated assault domestic violence-impede breathing, assault-intent/reckless/injury, unlawful imprisonment, threatening-intimidation with injury and sexual assault (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/sexual-assault/) charges.


Arizona Muslim claims Islamic Law (sharia) gives him right to kill wife | (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/04/30/arizona-muslim-claims-islamic-law-sharia-gives-right-kill-wife/)

NeedKarma
Apr 30, 2014, 11:10 AM
You guys should start some good ol' american ethnic cleansing.

smoothy
Apr 30, 2014, 11:13 AM
We should put them in buses... and send them on their way to the Middle east. Not on a plane... not on a ship... but driving... they just need to hold their breath crossing the ocean. And start by stopping any more from being allowed to come here for any reason. Fix their homelands problems first.....which should take an eternity at the rate they have been improving things since the 7th century.

Catsmine
Apr 30, 2014, 12:39 PM
The problem is that Islam is not a religion, like Christianity or Hinduism or even Soviet style Socialism. It's a Theocratic System that dictates politics, jurisprudence, and lifestyle all "in the Name of Allah." Ironically, the only other system (that I am aware of) that is so all-encompassing is Judaism.

paraclete
Apr 30, 2014, 04:13 PM
look if you give them half the chance they will get on leaky boats and drown themselves, not many muslims know anything about boats and water. Mudhutmad didn't give them any instructions on that

As to your last remark it is better not to go there, Jews have not engaged in wholesale slaughter in the name of religion in, well, thousands of years. Hopefully Muslims will learn to live with the neighbours too, after it is beaten out of them

Catsmine
Apr 30, 2014, 04:26 PM
after it is beaten out of them

Unfortunately, that seems to be standard procedure in the Arab world.

smoothy
Apr 30, 2014, 04:33 PM
And the closet Muslim ocupying the White house has appointed radical Muslims to high level positions in the administration...

Sharia Advisors – Barack Obama's Muslim Appointees in High Security Positions : Freedom Outpost (http://freedomoutpost.com/2014/04/sharia-advisers-barack-obamas-muslim-appointees/)

The text is too lengthy to post in its entirety

paraclete
Apr 30, 2014, 06:18 PM
crafty these Muslims, so when do we release the pig in that mosque on Pennsylvannia Avenue

smoothy
Apr 30, 2014, 06:23 PM
November 2016... but he won't get evicted until Jan 2017. A lot of time for him to do a lot more damage.

paraclete
Apr 30, 2014, 06:58 PM
No you don't get it, you have to do it much earlier, Muslims won't go where pigs have been anyway talking like this could get us in trouble

smoothy
Apr 30, 2014, 07:13 PM
Democrat voting thugs in swat uniforms might come kicking in your door if you even joke about that topic...

I'd like to see him impeached and jailed tomorrow... but sadly we are stuck with him until then. Assuming he doesn't declare martial law and appoint himself President for life.. like his Hero Fidel Castro.

At one time it would have been foolish to think that could ever happen here... but with all the criminal activity of this administration... its not such a stretch any longer.

paraclete
Apr 30, 2014, 08:25 PM
don't create any constitutional crises to give him the excuse as to your democrat thugs a bit far for them to travel haven't had a good seige in years

smoothy
May 1, 2014, 08:11 AM
Scorpions' Drummer Jailed in Dubai for Insulting IslamPosted on May 1, 2014 (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/05/01/scorpions-drummer-jailed-dubai-insulting-islam/) by Pamela Geller (http://www.dcclothesline.com/author/pamela-geller/)
http://pamelageller.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/american-drummer.jpeg

Ah, thank goodness for those moderate Muslim (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/muslim/) countries. This poor lad wasn't even vacationing there. He was just changing planes.
Any Westerner (non-Muslim) that goes to Dubai or any Muslim country is taking their life in their hands.

“Scorpions drummer jailed for insulting Islam (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/islam/) in Dubai airport,” By Salam Al Amir, The National, (http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts/scorpions-drummer-jailed-for-insulting-islam-in-dubai-airport#ixzz30QXiaJq6) April 30, 2014 (thanks to DJW)
DUBAI // A member of the heavy metal band Scorpions was yesterday sentenced to a month in jail for insulting Islam and lifting his middle finger at Muslims (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/muslims/) at an airport.
James Kottak, 51, the American drummer for the German band whose hits include Rock You Like a Hurricane, said he drank five glasses of wine on a flight from Moscow (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/moscow/) to Dubai.
He was in transit to Bahrain to perform at the country's Formula One grand prix about 11pm on April 3.
He said he and a friend had taken a wrong turn and entered the transit hall. Kottak was arrested for being drunk and became angry, witnesses said.
They said he started swearing and talking about “non-educated Muslims”, then flashed his middle finger at Pakistani passengers. Police (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/police/) said he also exposed his behind.
Kottak, who pleaded not guilty to insulting Islam and raising his middle finger, was also fined Dh2,000 for drinking without a licence, to which he pleaded guilty.
He has been held since April 3, and will be released soon because of the time served.
Policeman A A said he heard Kottak say, “What is this disgusting smell?” before he insulted Islam.
“I didn't see anything else but I heard him. I then informed my supervisor, who came and took the defendant away,” A A said.
S O, 27, a customer service employee at the airport, said: “When he saw the Pakistani and Afghan passengers, he covered his nose and said that there was no way he will travel with them.”
He added that the drummer then started swearing repeatedly at the arrivals area of Terminal 2.
“He wasn't talking to a person specifically but was talking in general,” said S O. “He was very nervous at the time and talking loudly.”
A B, 25, a Jordanian passenger services agent, said Kottak came over to her and was talking loudly. She said: “He was shouting 'non-educated Muslims' then he went to the office of the head and flashed his middle finger at the passengers.”
Police said in records that when he lowered his trousers he was asking people to touch his behind.
“I don't remember saying these words and I did not flash my middle finger,” Kottak said to prosecutors.
When asked about taking down his trousers, he said “this is not true – I just lifted my shirt up to show the tattoo on my back” as a “spontaneous act”.
“There is no way that I would say such a phrase about Muslims, whether I was drunk or not,” he told police. “I confess to drinking alcohol but I refuse the other two charges, I did not do them.”
At Dubai Court of Misdemeanours yesterday, his lawyer said his client was innocent and the witnesses must have been misunderstood.
“Their testimonies are contradictory, your honour,” said Hamid Al Khazraji.

Scorpions' Drummer Jailed in Dubai for Insulting Islam | (http://www.dcclothesline.com/2014/05/01/scorpions-drummer-jailed-dubai-insulting-islam/)

talaniman
May 1, 2014, 08:20 AM
How dare those moderate Muslims arrest a loud disruptive drunk.


He said he and a friend had taken a wrong turn and entered the transit hall. Kottak was arrested for being drunk and became angry, witnesses said.
They said he started swearing and talking about “non-educated Muslims”, then flashed his middle finger at Pakistani passengers. Police (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/police/) said he also exposed his behind.
Kottak, who pleaded not guilty to insulting Islam and raising his middle finger, was also fined Dh2,000 for drinking without a licence, to which he pleaded guilty.

Bet many drunks forget about wearing a lampshade at the family get together.

smoothy
May 1, 2014, 08:26 AM
Except he wasn't arrested for being drunk... he was arrested for insulting the sensibilities of the murdering horde that kills CHristians and Jews... sodomize sheep and goats. Play with little girls in a decidedly inappropriate manner, and treat their women like second class citizens.

talaniman
May 1, 2014, 08:30 AM
That's not what your article said.

smoothy
May 1, 2014, 08:32 AM
“Scorpions drummer jailed for insulting Islam (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/islam/) in Dubai airport,” By Salam Al Amir,The National (http://www.thenational.ae/uae/courts/scorpions-drummer-jailed-for-insulting-islam-in-dubai-airport#ixzz30QXiaJq6) April 30, 2014 (thanks to DJW)
DUBAI // A member of the heavy metal band Scorpions was yesterday sentenced to a month in jail for insulting Islam and lifting his middle finger at Muslims (http://www.dcclothesline.com/tag/muslims/) at an airport.

Almost at the top of the article

I would have brought a tub of lard and smeared it on the escalators and door handles and just about everywhere else I could get away with.

talaniman
May 1, 2014, 09:07 AM
Okay thanks, I missed it but both of you have embellished the facts to fit a narrative. He must be a Muslim right winger.

smoothy
May 1, 2014, 09:36 AM
Who embelished on facts.. Journalists NEVER embelish on facts... right... everything is always exactly that way its portrayed by Journalists everywhere.

1,800 years of history back what I said about them. So does the news from the last few years.

paraclete
May 3, 2014, 08:55 PM
1800 years, let us get straight who you are talking about here, the Muslims began in the seventh century, before that you had the Christians and the Pagans and it is just possible journalists didn't exist. Eighteen hundred years ago it was the Pagans who got the bad press on the word of mouth network

Catsmine
May 4, 2014, 05:51 AM
Who embelished on facts.

1,800 years of history

Let's get the numbers straight. 1800 years ago the Arabs were worshiping Zoroaster, not Allah. Their barbarism, however, has PRE - historic roots.

smoothy
May 5, 2014, 10:56 AM
Let's get the numbers straight. 1800 years ago the Arabs were worshiping Zoroaster, not Allah. Their barbarism, however, has PRE - historic roots.

I think that was a typo... since we are in the 21's century and that was the 7th century, I should have typed in 1400 rather than 1800.



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paraclete
May 5, 2014, 03:30 PM
you "think" it was a "typo" you were just not letting the facts get in the way of a good story

smoothy
May 5, 2014, 03:45 PM
you "think" it was a "typo" you were just not letting the facts get in the way of a good story

Really... when was there ever peace in their history of existence towards other religions? 1,400 years their mindset hasn't advanced much beyond the cavemans. Outside of dressing a little better than cavemen... and some of them learning how to read and write... I don't see much advancement even before that time before they got stuck in their personal "Groundhog Day" where nothing ever changes...

paraclete
May 5, 2014, 07:19 PM
look, I agree with you about muslims, they have been brainwashed into believing the end justifies the means, but we must check our facts, they are not the only people who have shown violent tendencies in the past 2000 years, the history of your own nation is tainted with violence and conquest and I'm not certain you have yet thrown off that yoke.

getting back to the piece, al qaeda is exhibiting every more violent tendencies, and is having some success in syria and this is something you are prepared to standby and watch, and yet you were willing to invade iraq on a pretext which is no less valid for syria

smoothy
May 7, 2014, 08:47 AM
Well, this is of Obamas making... the Dems through hook and by crook got a pantywaste into office twice... not even a two bit lunatic dictator of a 4th world country (third world countries are better off than North Korea is) is the slightest bit afraid of him.

Obamas a much larger threat to Americans than he is to anyone else.

Thus what is happening in Syria has happened.

paraclete
May 7, 2014, 03:57 PM
you blame Obama for Syria, I expect the connection in your mind is Gadaffi, I suppose Syria is the result of your interference in Arab politics but those guys never were very stable at the best of times.

No if you want to declare someone limp wristed, you should do that for the UN

smoothy
May 7, 2014, 06:30 PM
You don't think a lot of these people are doing things just to rub it in Obamas face (like Putin for example) knowing he's a spineless wuss appologizing to everyone EXCEPT the people in his own country he's been screwing?

THe UN has any credibility? I don't think anyone believes they are anything but a federation of blow hards with no credibility.

paraclete
May 7, 2014, 06:55 PM
You don't think a lot of these people are doing things just to rub it in Obamas face (like Putin for example) knowing he's a spineless wuss appologizing to everyone EXCEPT the people in his own country he's been screwing?

THe UN has any credibility? I don't think anyone believes they are anything but a federation of blow hards with no credibility.

Yes my point regarding the UN, I really must find out how to turn on the sarcasim font, however it is your interference in the politics of others that creates the situations we have. I doubt Moscow precipitated the Syrian insurrection, but I'm not so sure about Washington. The republicans set out from the outset to undermine Obama, they just couldn't accept the judgement of the electorate that they didn't want more of the same. He could have done a better job but he has deescalated Iraq and Afghanistan even though it cannot be called victory. I think his involvement with Libya was a mistake but then we have seen a long line of mistakes from American presidents, he has not repeated the mistake in Syria and I certainly hope he doesn't repeat it in the Ukraine.

I see he is going to get some spine regarding Nigeria, if you want an example of spinelessness then you have one in that place. Whatever anyone thinks we are reaching the point where there needs to be boots on the ground to defeat radical Islam wherever it operates. That includes some no go zones like Pakistan. Mali was a good indication of what can be accomplished

smoothy
May 7, 2014, 07:22 PM
As long as we are expected to pay for almost everything... we have the right to put our noses into it along with everything else we want. And we do pay most of the bill for the UN. Along with most foregn aid...

Personally I'd keep every dime here... throw the UN out... and let every third world country with too many people and not enough food... starve.

paraclete
May 8, 2014, 02:41 PM
310 killed in latest Boko Haram attack; kidnapped girls still missing - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/05/08/world/africa/nigeria-abducted-girls/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

be thankful your muslims don't behave like this, but they might if you involve yourselves in this conflict.

It's a conundrum, evil cannot be allowed to exist, and there can be no doubt Boko Harum is evil, however, it is the responsibility of the people of the region to throw off this yoke. Unless they are prepared to make an all out fight, outside interference won't be the answer. It must be understood that in Nigeria you have an artifical pairing of peoples who would not naturally have formed a nation, another legacy of british imperialism. Now I remember when this place tore itsself apart in a civil war.

So what appears to be a religious war is also a racial war which may explain why Nigeria appears slow to act or inept in its response

smoothy
May 8, 2014, 06:33 PM
If the Muslims actually believe the Nigerian nutcase was all that evil... they would have him bumped off. But has anyone heard of any attempts by Muslims to do so yet? I suspect they support him.

paraclete
May 8, 2014, 08:36 PM
I suspect they support him.
well smoothy they might, or maybe 50% might until it is their children who are targetted. Nigeria is big enough to look after its own problems and it doesn't need outside interferrence. This is a bill you don't have to pay, an intervention you don't have to make, a bridge too far.

smoothy
May 9, 2014, 05:33 AM
I agree.. there is only TWO reasons Obama is sticking his nose in... they are black and its Africa.

Africa is like the middle east.....they don't want things to change.....they are the way they are, because thats what they created. And they should be left to wallow in the muck, it is after all muck they worked hard and long to create.

THey were far better off under Colonial rule....but they wanted to do things their way....and they have. And the results are evident they don't have a clue about what they are doing...and they never learned a damn thing while others were doing it much better.

paraclete
May 9, 2014, 06:54 AM
it wasn't called the dark continent just because the people were black, they are better left alone, they will sort it out eventually and we don't want to see all that blood. For africans ethnic cleansing is a way of life. If Obama thinks he can change that he might be like that nut who started Liberia, a failed experiement in black liberation