Ever wondered why straight women fool around with other straight (or gay) women?

Ever tried it?


Ever regretted it?

Thoughts?

Women are beautiful, and soft... and both sexes can appreciate it...
So maybe that's it?

But why it's not taboo to women not sure.

They seem open to sharing all bodily things...

I am not sure because I never wanted to fool around with a guy
What it's all about exctly...

No I have never tried it, and never really thought about it. But some of my friends have... they were always drunk by the way. I think they do it to get the guys attention, and because they are drunk and horney, so they know that all the guys will look if they start making out with another girl... thats just what I think...

I think women in general are more open both physically and emotionally. Think about it this way, 2 couples meet at a party, they start talking by the end of the evening the women will know a lot about the other couple. We'll be lucky if the men bothered to find out where the other one works.

I have never fooled around, and the times I've thought about it, I was stone cold sober myself.

Ever wondered why straight women fool around with other straight (or gay) women?

Ever tried it?


Ever regretted it?

Thoughts?
I think that all women have that simple curiosity, even if we don't admit it, therefor it makes it that much easier for straight women to do that with other straight women, because it is OK.

I think that all women have that simple curiosity, even if we dont admit it, therefor it makes it that much easier for straight women to do that with other straight women, because it is ok.


YES, but curiosity about... what exactly?

I think it's curiosity about being on the giving end of the sex equation. Meaning what it feels to make love TO a woman, get a guy's perspective... maybe? What a woman's body feels in your hands? I don't know... like I said, I've thought about it - specifically with one person - but that's as far as that will ever go. I don't see this person anymore.

There must be a way that women interact with women... "share everything" and they view/share bodies in a different way than men too perhaps..

I think it is because women get sick of men and the bull. Best friends usually experiment even when not gay or bisexual just because they feel that comfortable. I don't think there is anything wrong with it. I think a lot of bisexual women become bisexual because of their bad experiences with men... Only my opinion though

Ever wondered why straight women fool around with other straight (or gay) women?

Ever tried it?


Ever regretted it?

Thoughts?

Because they can't get a freakin man!! And there sick! :eek: duhhhh!!

Because they can't get a frakin man!! And there sick! And ungodly!!

Women share ... all.

Intimidating sometimes, but worth considering... in one's own relationship.
The sharing turns to sex when it's just for fun, or they feel "bored" or "disillusioned" with the opposite sex - and because well, it's exciting to share something society all agrees is art.

All women are naturally bisexual... whether they choose to admit it or not

All women are naturally bisexual.... whether they choose to admit it or not

Don't talk about my Mama like that! If that were so, then wouldn't it also be true for men? I just don't believe that.

Why would you assume that something that is true for women should also be true for men? We are two very different creatures.

God created woman as a beautiful creature.. to be loved by all. Naturally, that would include women as well. Simply looking at the natural behaviors among women, we can see this show itself time and time again... from very young too much older.

Maybe some, maybe even a lot, but not all. I don't think you can crowd female human sexuality all into one box.

Hmmm....Some truth to both sides.


I would weigh in here that based on the many women I have known in many different places, here are some VERY rough statistics:

75% are curious.
25% are simply not.
Of the 70% - 30% of them would act on it if given the chance.
Of those 30% I would say 10% would make a bisexual go of it.
All stats are skewed up or down depending on who a woman is dating.
If she's connected with a guy I'd knock each stat down a few %...

Good stats... I would say of those 25% that are simply not curious, 100% of their "decision" is based on social &/or parental upbringing.

Woman are attracted to other women because the very nature of a woman is to be attractive. Any woman who is repulsed by the idea is simply a product of her surroundings. Given the right time, the right place, and the right woman, any woman be intrigued at the very least.

Its not degrading in anyway and I mean absolutely no offense to any women anywhere. It is simply the nature of a woman.

Only girl I've ever fooled aound with was my best friend. Only reason we kiss or cuddle or even maekout from time to time is because we honestly love each other and instead of a hug or a high five, we give each other a peck on the lips. Rarely do we ever makeout in front of guys and that's only when one of us likes a guy and is tryn to get his attention(not everyone in the room). I don't know. I see it as a sign of affection. Not necessarily "fooling around"

I know some girls get drunk and go off on a girly kissing spree but I don't know many girls that have actually kissed or played with other girls.

I went through a bi-curious stage and it was really fun. We were not drunk, we were just friends sleeping over.
It was like the girl I was with was my sexual equal, we both knew what each other wanted.
I think women are beautiful and I ADORE the female body BUT I am straight and engaged, But that doesn't mean my curiosity differs. It's still there. :)
I'm just appreciative of it and my partner is aware.

All women are naturally bisexual.... whether they choose to admit it or not


good stats.... I would say of those 25% that are simply not curious, 100% of their "decision" is based on social &/or parental upbringing.

Woman are attracted to other women because the very nature of a woman is to be attractive. Any woman who is repulsed by the idea is simply a product of her surroundings. Given the right time, the right place, and the right woman, any woman be intrigued at the very least.

Its not degrading in anyway and I mean absolutely no offense to any women anywhere. It is simply the nature of a woman.

No offense taken. But, I have to disagree with you. I am not repulsed by the idea. I wouldn't hesitate to get involved with a woman if I found them sexually stimulating. I just don't. I have never been intrigued by the idea of getting involved with a woman. I love men. I love their bodies. Yeah, I can appreciate that a woman is attractive, but no sexual thoughts ever pop into my head. I don't think it has anything to do with social or parental upbringing. I believe it is genetic. I have two brothers that are gay and out of the closet. I would imagine that the genes in my family are overwhelmingly in favor of finding men sexually desirable.

Thank GOD! That makes three so far, you, my wife and my Mama. There you go Jizz, told you so! :)

MummaCrash, thanks for the thumbs up and I don't want to hijack this thread but why would gay people be offended at someone stating it is genetic that they are gay? All the ones I know, agree that there is a genetic predisposition involved. They get upset when someone tries to suggest that they actually have a choice as to whether to be gay and, if they work at it, they can change. Any person who claims to be gay and "converts" to a straight lifestyle was either bisexual or straight all along. Yes, sometimes through abuse/social situations, someone's sexual identity may be altered, but that is not the overwhelming majority.

By the way, I think both sexes are equally capable of being bi-sexual. There are more women that experiment or are comfortable in their bi-sexuality, than men, because it is acceptable for women to do so in our society. No one finds it an offensive or repulsive thought. I believe it has to do with the fact that men have been the "ruling" sex. I mean that in the fact that men have, throughout the centuries, made the rules in which we live by. At least in Westernized society. For the most part straight men are sexually aroused by women having sex with each other. So, they have not discouraged, and have actually encouraged that behavior. However, suggest men have sex with each other and you will see most straight people cringe. It is still considered a repulsive thought. That comes from societal conditioning. In the Middle East, in Greece, in other nations, for centuries, it had been considered normal behavior for man on man sex. In Westernized cultures, it is not only frowned upon in our society, but we still have cases of men beating and killing another man for it (Matthew Shephard, as just one example). In today's society, unless you have the good fortune of living in a large cosmopolitan area where being gay now is nothing to be ashamed of, men usually stay in the closet. We are actually seeing more younger straight men experimenting with their sexuality, usually when they are in college. But, it is not openly discussed, as it is with women. And, like Mummacrash and others, it is a bi-curious stage. Most of those men will go on to marry a woman and live a straight life, just as women do now. I do think over time, given time, we will find that our society will find bi-sexual behavior to be the norm among both men and women.

It's nice to see someone with such an honest multiformed outlook on things Ruby.
:) Thanks for sharing with us.

My cousin is gay and a family member talks about her and her lover/gays alike, are missing one Chromosone other then straight people.
She gets offended.

I think that you're right in saying we're all quite capable of altering our sexuality.
I know where I stand now but I still except my love for women too.

Ah, I see. Hate to say this, but unless that family member has conclusive studies to back up that statement, he/she should stop saying it. Has your cousin been tested for a missing chromosome? I very much doubt it. What your family member is doing is making a blanket statement to explain away why your cousin is gay. It is to make them and other family members feel better about your cousin's choice in partners. Your cousin gets offended because saying something like that suggests she isn't "normal". Normal being defined as straight. If normal were defined as bi-sexual or gay, I would be offended too if someone were to tell me that because I don't find women sexually stimulating, that I am missing a chromosome. Does that make sense to you?

I think it is a combination of things and isn't the same for everyone. Genetics is a very broad term. It can mean lacking certain chromosomes, or that there is a specific gene that is passed from parent to child that determines their sexual preferences, or it could be that the brain is hardwired differently. It could be one or a combination of those things that pre-determines a person's sexual preference. Then again, social interaction plays a huge role too. As I stated above, socially it is much more acceptable in our society for women to have sex with other women. Sometimes, the social interaction can be a detrimental factor to a persons mental health and create a preference for same sex partners. Some people are abused as children. With some women, if a man abused them, the experience was so violent, without love, and done with such force, that they will automatically turn to a woman for sexual intimacy because it is safe, loving, and non-threatening.

Unless your family member is 100% certain that your cousin was never sexually abused and your cousin has been tested and found to be missing a chromosome, that family member needs to stop talking as if they were an authority on the subject. There is no need to state it. If they were having a discussion about it, as we are, then there can be an open exchange of ideas. But, unless your cousin is a willing participant in this exchange of ideas, it should not be brought up.

P.S. Sorry for hijacking the thread Sophia. Didn't mean to get off topic.

I except my love for women
To each his own, or her own.

To each their own, especially if both chicks are really HOT! :)

I think there are a lot of guys out there that like to watch two female lovers and there are female lovers out there that like others to watch but I wouldn't like that. It's better with just the two.

As you can see, Ive been through this debate (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/adult-sexuality/women-bi-sexual-nature-20055.html) before.

Keep in mind that bisexuality and homosexuality are two completely different things here. I do, however, find it strange that a homosexual man/woman says that it is genetic but gets offended when the genetic difference is pointed out.

I believe homosexuality can be either genetic or a choice. There are many studies that have shown homosexuality by removing that chromosome (in animals, of course). And its not to say that they are "different" but they simply have one less chromosome. If its genetic, then one would have to assume that there IS a genetic difference.

Either way, I still stand by my theory that, whether a woman would ever admit t it, or better yet, even realize it herself, all women are simply wired to be open to bisexuality.

And this argument right here is still my favorite:



In nature, everything has either a positive (+) or a negative (-) energy. Naturally, these things are meant to be drawn to eachother. In such, men are designed to be ATTRACTED (+), while women are designed to be ATTRACTIVE (-).

In chemistry we learn that bonds are formed in one of two ways: electrovalent ( a bond formed between a positive and a negative ions) and covalent (a bond formed between two electrons, which we know electrons are negatively charged). Bonds do not form between two positively charged forces.


Hehehe

Interesting approach. I am not disagreeing about the genetics aspect, just the assumption that it is simply a missing chromosome. That hasn't been proven as a scientific conclusion. Regarding my not admitting to being bi-sexual -- Okay. If you want to believe what you want to believe, that is cool with me. You don't know me so how can you know I am telling truth? You are entitled to your theories. For me, application of a scientific law to human nature doesn't wash. Too many variables to take into consideration to create a blanket statement on a black and white supposition. But, I will not get off topic again and start a different discussion here. I will read your link when I have a few moments. Looks interesting.

I think Ruby is right. Many people have their own perceptions of what is right, wrong and immoral and what we are genetically predisposed to. I am not gay and I have never had a desire to be with women. However, I do find them attractive and sensual. I can appreciate the beauty of a woman, and enjoy it, even thought I don't want it. Women have a sense of intimacy and closeness that most men don't share. We can be affectionate and loving without needing to get laid. I have enjoyed the closeness of women but I have always desired men. I have thought a girl was hot and stared at her incredible body and been stunned by it. I don't go home and dream about it. Women are beautiful to look at, they are soft to the touch. I enjoy my body and I am OK with other women enjoying it. I think many people need to see things in black or white. If it doesn't fit into their comfort zone or box, than it is scary and wrong. WHy does any attraction have to be wrong, or any kind of connection for that matter? Why do we need so many limits and boundaries, because of the social implications? Out of fear of what isn't perceived as normal? Why would we be given such special bodies if we weren't supposed to enjoy them, male or female? We have no problem with approving violent video games and movies, but sex and sensuality scare the h@@! Out of people! Why? I don't think there is anything wrong with experimenting with your desires, as long as no one gets hurt or betrayed. WHy is porn such a big industry? Because people can look at things that they are interested in but are too scared or ashamed to do themselves. I am not really into that stuff, but I can see where it gets its allure. I just think that with women it is more about touch and stimulation, and it leads to a different, intimate experience. As with anything else, it is about finding balance. If you can experience something beautiful and appreciate for what it is, than that's all it is. If it becomes an obsession, as with anything, it can become damaging. Life is full of wonder, our bodies are part of that, how can that be wrong??

Some girls do it for αttention.. pretty sαd though if thαt how you wαnt to "win α guy over"

Young girls often engage in any kind of sex for the attention, love or acceptance of men. IT usually isn't about the sex, but the approval they get for doing it. That is why most girls are disappointed with sex when they are young because it isn't what they thought it was going to be. YOu are right though, look at the commercials for Girls Gone Wild. That is all about pleasing men visually. Most girls have fun with their friends, maybe they hug or kiss or grab jokingly, but to do it on camera like that , its totally for the guys. It is sad that girls don't value their bodies and what they mean. They give it away for nothing rather than seeing what a beautiful treasure it is. I don't think there is anything wrong with showing off your body, well hopefull you know what I mean. Girls do sexual things to please men, why not just do it to please yourself? A lot of them don't get that and they get used. It is difficult for a lot of girls to do things they want to do, or maybe they don't even know. So they do what their guy wants, or any guy wants. That is what's really sad.

Maybe a clear/general definition of bisexuality is in order here:

Bisexuality: A sexual orientation in which one feels attracted to both males and females

So when I hear things like:



I am not gay and I have never had a desire to be with women. However, I do find them attractive and sensual.


Im baffled. Even shatteredsouls entire post... if that's not characteristics of bisexuality, then I don't know what is

;)

The good thing is, you don't have to understand my perspective. It really is just that. I am completely comfortable of embracing feelings that I have, without the desire to act out on them physically and therefore they are just that, feelings. There is no definite accuracy to determine what attracts what to another. It is simply a feeling. It doesn't have to mean anything. Your own hang ups and feelings of discomfort are why you feel baffled. I do not feel guilty or embarrassed, I am simply being honest with the awareness of my feelings. I don't desire to sleep with women, live with women, or have an ongoing physical relationship with women. Therefore. I don't perceive myself as what you cal "bisexual". If that is what you believe it is, I have no judgement about that. I don't base my understandings in such limited terms, but I understand why you do. If I confuse you, I apologize. I adore men, their bodies and being with one in an intimate, physical, marital commitment. He too understands how I feel and is completely comfortable with it. It doesn't impact our relationship in a negative way and I am not dishonest. I respect his admiration for women, although mine is usually on a much more proper level. LOL I am just open to what my feelings are and that aren't shameful or wrong. I see women as beautiful, it isn't about being bisexual or straight.

Dr J, I think you are grasping at straws here. I interprete Shattered as stating that she is not sexually attracted to women, but that she appreciates their attractiveness and sensuality. It doesn't mean she feels the desire to have sexual contact.

Hmmmm...

I don't really see where our points of view differ here... more so just our way of expressing/explaining them.

The feelings expressed are exactly those of bisexuality... of course, its not black and white. There are different "levels" of bisexuality. People like Freud and Stekel argued that all humans were born bisexual.

For some info on the subject that isn't coming from a perceived "AMHD nutjob" take a look at this:

Bisexuality - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisexual)

:)

First off, I do not think you are a nutjob. I have seen a number of your responses to people here and you have a good logical mind. I interpret bisexuality as having sexual desires towards both men and women. In this instance, it appears you are suggesting that her feelings are sexual in nature. They don't appear that way to me. Maybe it is the difference in the man/woman interpretation factor. I don't know. In any event, I don't trust Wiki completely to explain this. It appears a bit vague in its explanation. Here is a medical dictionary site: Bisexual definition - Medical Dictionary definitions of popular medical terms (http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=10794)

As for me, as I said in an earlier post, I can appreciate a woman's attractiveness. But, it is not in a sexual way. It is more in the way of looking at a beautiful painting or a beautiful sunset. I will admit to saying, Wow, I wish I had her body. But it isn't in a sexual sense. It is in a envious state of mind. LOL. Now, with a hot looking young hard body (male), I will admit to lusting in my heart (ala Jimmy Carter). I have hit that age where I can look but to touch? Well, I would have to pay for it and, frankly, I am too cheap for that.

I love you Ruby

I love you too shattered. MWAH.

Oh oh. Dr J will think we are making out now.

Well, I am a bit of a nutjob ;) and allow me to apologize. I did not mean to suggest that anyone's feelings were necessarily "sexual". The word "sexual" only comes into play because of the name... but not by definition. I was, in fact, trying to propose the opposite. That those feelings are what would categorize her and so many other women as "bisexual".

And I, in NO WAY, mean to say that bisexuality is defined in that online medical dictionary. That says that it is one who engages in sexual relations with both the opposite and same sex AND/OR "an individual who was born with gonadal tissue of both sexes (that, both testicular and ovarian tissue). Also termed a true hermaphrodite." LOL

It cannot be defined by the simple sexual act with the opposite and same sex. The act alone cannot define ones sexual nature. It comes from the feelings. Homosexual men that do not participate in sexual acts between each other are still homosexual men.

Can't we all just have a group hug :) I don't mean to offend ;)



EDIT:



I love you Ruby




I love you too shattered. MWAH.


AHHA!! I knew it!!

Raynefreak disagrees: I'm a women. I'm NOT bi. I'd rather die then have sex with a girl. I want men and sex with men not women. Your comment was retarded.

A perfect example of social "brainwashing" regarding beliefs of bisexuality

Dr J, you aren't offending me. You want a group hug? Would that be construed as having bi-sexual overtones, by your definition, if we all did that?

Ah D.J. I knew you would jump on that chance to make a comment about our exchange of mutual affection. You are such an easy mark. :p

I agree that bisexuality is not just defined by sexual intercourse. To me it includes feelings, thoughts, and impulses of a sexual nature. Now, do you believe that shattered & my little exchange above constitutes bi-sexuality? I am just trying to understand where we are not seeing eye to eye. Are you saying that doing what we did would make us bi-sexual by your definition? Because I don't get that is what you are saying. I am getting that you are agreeing that it revolves around a sexual thought or impulse and goes through the gamut up to sexual contact. Which I don't disagree with. All I am saying is that sexual thoughts don't enter my mind when I look at women. I don't think of them as sexually enticing. When I give a friend a kiss on the cheek as a hello, it is simply a hello. I don't think that constitutes bi-sexuality. Am I missing something? Or do you agree and you just want your theory to stand that all women are bi-sexual by the mere fact that they are women?

Dr J, I can tell you feel obligated to justify and explain your perspective to us. I understand it, I just don't agree with it. Maybe there is always more than one way of looking at something. Some things in life cannot be explained by a dictionary or a simple definition. I look beyond words or a specific diagnosis and I see more. IT isn't wrong, its just different. You want us to know you are qualified and have experience, o.k. but that isn't really important to me. Your opinion is valid just because you believe it, I don't have to see your credentials for you to be worthy. I am sure that it isn't easy to get some of the things I say and you don't know me or my life experiences to understand why I view things the way I do. I don't think affection or attraction always has to be sexual in nature. Maybe to you it does. The reason I told Ruby I love her is because she has come to my rescue more than once on here. She has the perfect picture under her name, because she defends and helps those in need. If you have read any of my posts under bereavement, maybe you would understand why she is so special and important. She put into words exactly what I was feeling and made my opinions seem more appropriate than I did. She gets me. That connection is not sexual, it is pure admiration and love for someone who reaches out and helps you for no reward but their own satisfaction in being compassionate. I have no problem with a group hug, or a more comfortable hand shake, whatever floats your boat. So let's just leave it on an appropriate note. Peace

OK Talaniman- HUGS!!

Indeed, see what a little girl-on-girl lovin' can do to all of us...

Makes things a little... charged :-)

Like a bolt of electricity!! This is only in words, imagine the beauty in real life with the connection of women and people in general!

OK hold on now... that comment above about the two of you girls was totally light and in good fun. Im NOT trying to use that to my advantage here... c'mon ;)



I am getting that you are agreeing that it revolves around a sexual thought or impulse and goes through the gamut up to sexual contact.


I suppose I am saying that yes, it COULD.. but by nature, it does not have to at all. It is one thing to notice that someone/something is "attractive"... but it is something else to actually be "attracted" to it (whether it be sexually or not).

Ok, there are these two very sweet elderly ladies that I know. They were heterosexual their whole lives. Both of their husbands had died and now they live together... they love each other... they sleep in the same bed... they do EVERYTHING together... but they don't do anything "sexually" (at least not that they admit to). Would you consider them bisexual? I would.

What if it were two men in the same situation?

If your 8 year old daughter was holding hands with her 8 year old girl friend, that would be okay...

What if it was your 8 year old son and his boy friend?

If you found two teenage girls showering together... what would you think?

What if you found two teenage boys showering together?

In college if two girls get drunk and "fool around" they may not be considered bisexual but just having a good time in college.

But what if it were two men in college?

To me, its just in the nature of a woman to be this way... I don't even want to use the word "bi-sexual" anymore because of the negative connotations it seems to have. But there is an obvious difference between the male and female species in this respect... an attraction to the same sex. Does a lot of it have to do with social attitude? Im sure it does... but even if we stripped that away, do you think it would really change that much?

Really, I'm not trying to change anyone's mind here :) its all just in good fun and open discussion. Just read the light blue print in my signature lol

... besides, there aren't any other good debates going on here right now :)

I think you bring up some valid points Dr J. I know what you mean and I get where you are going. I think that personally, it is the nature of all people to want and desired to be touched and feel attractions, that is part of the physical existence we are in. I think that society and its strict labels that we abide by that makes us feel one way or the other about the same circumstance. Why do we expect men to want to hold babies and "play" house as adults if we aren't comfortable with letting them do that when they are ages 3 and up? Why do we expect girls to act feminine even when the feel like being tomboys? That is what makes people comfortable. It makes society know what is appropriate and what isn't. It has only recently that women are more physically affectionate in public, on camera and in general. For many years any type of same sex affection was taboo. I think this original post resonates with so many people because they too are interested in what seems right or wrong. Why do we need to make such assertions about any child holding another child's hand. Maybe it makes them feel safe, loved, wanted. What could be wrong about that? YOu get into more sexual scenarios as you go along but the point is the same. Who determines what is socially appropriate and acceptable to feel and express. That is what makes us unique and special as human beings rather than animals or plants. I think that people need to embrace experiencing who they are in an honest, open way to feel happier within. So if being with a man when you're a man makes you gay, then I guess that is what you call it. I am not saying there aren't things that I don't have hang ups about, I have not always had the same view or perception as I do now. I have come to accept people's abilities to act on how they feel as admirable. They aren't holding back to how they feel and everyone has times when they do. We hold back from the ones we have issues with and share them on here with strangers. Many would say that is inappropriate. The less judgements or stereotypes we put on people, the more free we become.

No idea, curiosity? Its like getting a look into the unknown first hand... I am of course guessing.. I guess like anything you have never done before it's a learning process in a way.sometimes its down to alcohol, although I can say I have never been drunk enough to question my sexuallity..

Ever wondered why straight women fool around with other straight (or gay) women?

Ever tried it?


Ever regretted it?

Thoughts?
Never tried it, apart from apparently when I went out on a Uni night and got totally drunk and snogged a Uni girl!

But the thought doesn't repulse me, I think women are more open to trying new things in general!!

Did you feel embarrassed after you realized what you did? Any regrets?

No never felt embarrassed at all cause I spoke to the girl so we could have a laugh over it. I suppose if we hadn't have chatted it could have been awkward, but in general I didnlt feel embarrassed!

How about you, done anything like that?

NAHHHH, not that I am against it, I am just not as sexually free as some people

Well I wouldn't make a habit of it but never say no..!

I thinks it got to do with being comfortable and being willing to experiment. Ive kissed a few of my girlfriends. At first it was for pure curiosity, and feeling what it would be like to kiss a girl and if I found it arousing in anyway.

Well, good news for my BF.. I didn't find it arousing, But I found it soooo much fun! Woman have the BEST lips! So soft.. and they kiss better than a guy does, Nice and gentle. Woman understand each other and know the way they want to be touched.

So yeah, id say curiosity and purely for the fun!:)... NOT because they can't get a man! If anything, theyd be able to attract more men because most guys LOVE seeing girls "Hook up".