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tomder55
Jan 15, 2014, 02:58 PM
Bruce Springsteen & Jimmy Fallon: "Gov. Christie Traffic Jam" ("Born To Run" Parody) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKHV0LLvhXM)

hope this isn't too short

speechlesstx
Jan 15, 2014, 03:19 PM
Fallon does a good Springsteen. You know that has to kill Christie, his hero and new BFF goofing on him like that.

Btw, the latest poll (http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/new-jersey/release-detail?ReleaseID=1995) shows fewer NJ voters think he's a bully now. You'd think with all the breathless coverage he might have taken a bigger hit. Shame they couldn't find near as much time to discuss something like Benghazi, and how a bipartisan report (http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/senate-report-attack-on-us-compound-in-benghazi-could-have-been-prevented/2014/01/15/5e197224-7de9-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html) points blame at the administration.


A long-delayed Senate Intelligence Committee (http://apps.washingtonpost.com/g/documents/world/senate-intelligence-committee-report-on-benghazi-attack/748/) report released Wednesday faulted both the State Department and the intelligence community for not preventing attacks on two outposts in Benghazi, Libya, that killed four Americans, including a U.S. ambassador, about 16 months ago.

The bipartisan report laid out more than a dozen findings regarding the assaults on a diplomatic compound and a CIA annex in the city. It said the State Department failed to increase security at its mission despite warnings, and blamed intelligence agencies for not sharing information about the existence of the CIA outpost with the U.S. military.

smoothy
Jan 15, 2014, 03:36 PM
Where is the lefts enthusiasm to investigate and prosecute IRSgate or Bennghazigate? THis is a political witch hunt. Obamas done worse things this week than cause a little traffic jam. You'd think traffic backups were something new for that area from listening to them whining.

tomder55
Jan 15, 2014, 04:07 PM
I never get used to them . Then you get to pay $11 every time you cross the bridge . Six axles pay $84 in peak hours,for the privilege of sitting in a traffic jam 4 or 5 hrs because of the lane closure nonsense.
That being said ,I kinda believe him when he denies any previous approval for the stunt . Christie is a hard ball pol ,and if he wanted to do payback there are much more effective ways than screwing the commuters .

tomder55
Jan 15, 2014, 04:09 PM
Where is the lefts enthusiasm to investigate and prosecute IRSgate or Bennghazigate?

or the NSA .....consider this ........ Nixon was impeached for bugging 2 offices.

paraclete
Jan 15, 2014, 04:14 PM
some people would believe anything smoothy, we have all seen the instance of the political staffer who just tried to do something nice for the boss, as if the boss had no idea what was going on. A man who cannot control his staff has shown bad judgement in selecting them and poor judgement in allowing them latitude is no fit candidate to run a city let alone a country. plausable deniability doesn't cut it for me

talaniman
Jan 15, 2014, 04:27 PM
The document contains only one mention of former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton, who is named by the panel's Republicans as the official who should ultimately be held responsible for the failures at Benghazi. But the broader report also finds no evidence of the kind of political coverup that Republicans have long alleged — providing fodder for both sides as Clinton ponders a possible presidential run in 2016.

More Benghazi to cover up Bridgegate?

paraclete
Jan 15, 2014, 05:04 PM
Is Hillary now responsible for traffic jams too? That was the problem wasn't it; there was a gate on the bridge? I'm sure Christie would like Clinton out of the way and via versa. Personally I think they should find another candidate now, I expect Kerry to try again, he has done a passable job as VEPE

smoothy
Jan 15, 2014, 05:34 PM
THere is the Fast and furious stonewalling, the Benghazi stomewalling, the IRS harassment stonewalling... the NSA spying stonewalling... Obama is responsible for more stone walling than the Chinese who built the great wall have.

talaniman
Jan 15, 2014, 05:34 PM
We had "I am not a crook", "I am not a witch", now we have "I am not a bully.".

tomder55
Jan 15, 2014, 05:37 PM
You can deny it all you want to ,but the facts have come out . The emperor KNEW it was a terrorist attack in less than a half hour after the attack began .
Evita lied under oath to the Senate Foreign Relations committee.


My only question is what does the emperor have on speaker Bonehead that he continues to refuse to appoint select committees with subpoena power to investigate all these scandals from the WH

talaniman
Jan 15, 2014, 05:48 PM
Bad enough bonehead gets embarrassed by his own, be really bad when the opposition embarrasses him too. Bridgegate is just getting started. His whole office was chuckling about it for months, and the bully knew nothing?? And still doesn't??

He could have asked what's so funny guy's?

tomder55
Jan 15, 2014, 06:09 PM
Bridgegate is just getting started. Maybe but there are much more effective means to get even with a political foe(withholding funding ,permits etc.);and I'm sure Christe plays harball with the best of them. There is no political advantage for tying up traffic for hours at a time . It only pisses off the people.

Like speech said .The people of NJ appear to believe him.

tomder55
Jan 15, 2014, 06:12 PM
or if your the emperor you can unleash the IRS on political opponents . Or if your Evita ,you just hide their files in your office in the WH .
Speaking of Evita .....she has an enemies list lol ..... I'm gonna start calling her Evita Milhouse .

paraclete
Jan 15, 2014, 07:35 PM
yes I hear Kerry is on Evita's hit list, perhaps he can swift boat this one

ebaines
Jan 20, 2014, 10:17 AM
consider this ........ Nixon was impeached for bugging 2 offices.

Gotta set history right here:

1. Nixon was not impeached - he quit before the impeachment vote could occur. Only two presidents have ever been impeached: Andrew Johnson and Bill Clinton - both were acquitted.

2. Watergate was not over bugging offices - it was over attempts to cover up a break in at the Democratic HQ offices by operatives who were paid from funds of the Committee to Re-elect the President (CREEP for short).

The lesson from Watergate is that politicians typically get in trouble not for committing criminal offenses themselves but rather for trying to cover up criminal offenses done by others. If it turns out that the activities of Christie's underlings were indeed illegal (which seems highly likely) and if it turns out that Christie knew of those illegal activities prior to the emails coming out last week then he's likely in irreversible trouble, even if he didn't order the actiivties himself or know about them ahead of time.

tomder55
Jan 20, 2014, 11:18 AM
yeah I actually knew that he quit before the impeachment vote. The CREEP ops went there to place bugs in the DNC HQ. They also bugged Daniel Ellsbergs doctor . There would've been no bugging of the DNC if Nixon didn't want to know what they had on him regarding Howard Hughes bribes to Nixon .

excon
Feb 7, 2014, 08:55 AM
Hello again,

The question now, is NOT whether Christie will be the GOP nominee. It's whether he can remain governor.

Does anybody believe he'll survive? Does anybody think he DIDN'T do what he's being accused of doing??

excon

speechlesstx
Feb 7, 2014, 09:32 AM
So far all we have is a bunch of liars making accusations that not even NJ Democrats believe so he'll be fine as Gov. But that won't stop the entire national Democratic machine from going all out to destroy him.

tomder55
Feb 7, 2014, 10:11 AM
What the Dems are doing is trying to duplicate the hit job they did on Palin. The goal here is to have him defending himself into the campaign season ;and hoping he uses valuable resources doing it .
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/06/us/politics/democrats-aim-to-capitalize-on-christie-problems.html?_r=0

I don't want him to be the nominee. But I'm more likely to defend him when I see this bs pile-on. It sure helps the Dem cause that they have the AG of US ready to take a shot .

talaniman
Feb 7, 2014, 11:12 AM
The goal is to find out everything about him, it's called vetting. Similar to what repubs did when they met on the inauguration of Obama and made their goal to make him a one term president. McCain/Palin failed because you guys couldn't get your people to the polls.

Christie has more than a traffic jam to explain. Where did all that Sandy money go for one. The list grows daily. He's in Texas and Abbot is avoiding him like the plague, just like Scott in Florida did.

speechlesstx
Feb 7, 2014, 11:29 AM
There is no Sandy money scandal just like there was no vetting of Obama.

tomder55
Feb 7, 2014, 11:38 AM
Where did the Katrina money go ? Where did the Haiti money go ? I have followed the Sandy thing closely because Christie pissed me off with his butt kissing of the emperor . But I have seen no evidence of mismanagement of the funds .

speechlesstx
Feb 11, 2014, 12:00 PM
FYI...

Despite tough month, Chris Christie breaks fundraising records for GOP | The Daily Caller (http://dailycaller.com/2014/02/11/despite-tough-month-chris-christie-breaks-fundraising-records-for-gop/)

tomder55
Feb 11, 2014, 12:28 PM
there was a huge protest rally today against Christie .


About a dozen people took part in a noontime protest Tuesday near the base of the George Washington Bridge where unannounced lane closures last September snarled traffic and made Fort Lee residents miserable for four days.
'Victims' Of Fort Lee Lane Closures To Protest At George Washington Bridge « CBS New York (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2014/02/11/victims-of-fort-lee-lane-closures-to-protest-at-george-washington-bridge/)

talaniman
Feb 11, 2014, 12:42 PM
LOL, he better money up while he can. It's not like he is raising all the money on his own star power in the first place.

excon
Feb 11, 2014, 02:08 PM
Hello again,

The question isn't whether he'll be the GOP nominee in '16. He won't.. The question is, can he remain governor.

I sounds like I said that before...

excon

ebaines
Feb 11, 2014, 02:55 PM
Does anybody believe he'll survive?

Yes, absoluteley he'll remain as governor and complete his term, unless he resigns to run fror pres (highly doubtful) or actually wins the presidency in 2016 - and that ain't gonna happen.


Does anybody think he DIDN'T do what he's being accused of doing??

What is he accused of? Orchestrating the closing? No, he didn't do that. Having knowledge of the plot ahead of time? Nope. Having knowledge of the closing during the few days it was happening? Yes, probably. After all nearly 10 million people were aware of it once it hit the papers, so if he didn't know about it I would be surprised. The fact that he said he didn't know about it "until it was over" is the only gotcha here, and it's immaterial.

tomder55
Feb 11, 2014, 03:05 PM
He will be the nominee of the Repubic establishment wants him to be the nominee. This has been ongoing for a month and they haven't put a glove on him. Not sure what the Repubic Rovians want however . There is talk of dusting the moss off of Jeb Bush (ugh).
My early favorite .... Scott Walker .

paraclete
Feb 11, 2014, 03:34 PM
so you're saying the 'publicans are going to nominate another loser, now there is news. It just proves that politics is removed from reality

tomder55
Feb 11, 2014, 03:53 PM
probably ... they have fallen in love with the idea of the competent neo-statist manager .

Athos
Feb 11, 2014, 04:56 PM
Christie is speeding down the road to footnoteville.

paraclete
Feb 11, 2014, 05:25 PM
A man who can't manage his staff doesn't belong in the White House or any position of power

tomder55
Feb 11, 2014, 06:18 PM
nonsense .. they did something without his authority and he held them accountable by firing them.

talaniman
Feb 11, 2014, 06:24 PM
The whole staff was rogue? How did that happen?

paraclete
Feb 11, 2014, 06:29 PM
Who selected these drongos, you think that someone just goes rogue overnight? no he has to accept the responsibility and the impact on his career. could you imagine a White House run this way? oh wait you already have this experience so you just want more of the same

tomder55
Feb 12, 2014, 07:49 AM
no it wasn't the whole staff . He fired a Deputy Chief of Staff and his campaign manager . Unless something else emerges ,then it is clear that these 2 concocted and led this lane closure plan without informing him of the plan..... and then lied to him when he confronted his staff over the incident .

speechlesstx
Feb 12, 2014, 07:52 AM
The whole staff was rogue? How did that happen?

I love how you never exaggerate.

talaniman
Feb 12, 2014, 07:59 AM
He never asked them what their motives were when he fired them. He didn't want to be accused of "witness tampering". Yeah, right!! And what was that traffic study about with Buono? How about the loot to a nursing home from the Sandy fund?

Come on Tom, you are across the river from this dude and have heard the reporting more than I have. There investigating more than Bridgegate.

speechlesstx
Feb 12, 2014, 08:17 AM
Once again you guys are focusing on a non-scandal while ignoring the real ones, like this.

Cover Oregon Scandal Deepens | Washington Free Beacon (http://freebeacon.com/cover-oregon-scandal-deepens/)

excon
Feb 12, 2014, 08:51 AM
Hello again, tom:

no it wasn't the whole staff .Not the WHOLE staff... Just 3/4ths of them.

excon

speechlesstx
Feb 12, 2014, 10:16 AM
Not the WHOLE staff... Just 3/4ths of them.

2 people is 3/4ths of them?

excon
Feb 12, 2014, 10:29 AM
Hello again, Steve:

2 people is 3/4ths of them?Nahhh... Those are just the one's he FIRED. There's about 6 or 7 of his CLOSEST allies who were involved - EVEN if they weren't on his "staff".. Lemme see... We got Wildstein, Agia, Baroni, Kwan, and Sampson just off the top of my head.. They're ALL his people, and they're up to their necks in it. There'll be MORE, too.

excon

speechlesstx
Feb 12, 2014, 11:06 AM
But you aren't the least bit interested in IRS scandals. Benghazi, Fast & Furious an AG that was held in comtempt, a president that has no regard for the law, etc. etc.. Yeah, you guys have your priorities right.

excon
Feb 12, 2014, 01:13 PM
Hello again, Steve:

Nahhh... I don't care about Christie, and I believe he's INNOCENT until they find the smoking gun. However, in Christie's case, they're LOOKING for the smoking gun. Your crack investigator, Darryl Issa is just running his mouth...

Although I've said it NUMEROUS times, if my president is a crook, I want him IMPEACHED. All I need is that aforementioned smoking gun. If Darryl Issa is letting you down, he's letting me down too.

excon

speechlesstx
Feb 12, 2014, 02:53 PM
Nahhh... I don't care about Christie, and I believe he's INNOCENT until they find the smoking gun. However, in Christie's case, they're LOOKING for the smoking gun. Your crack investigator, Darryl Issa is just running his mouth...

In other words, you're all for a media lynching of a Republican but have no tolerance for following procedure, which the regime is continually stonewalling. Where all the IRS documents they refuse to turn over for instance?

excon
Feb 12, 2014, 03:23 PM
Hello again, Steve:

Let's review, shall we?? Yes, there's some stonewalling going on.

When our founders gave congress oversight of the executive, it WASN'T in word only. They have TEETH. Begging ISN'T teeth.. Offering Lois Lerner immunity and FORCING her to testify or go to jail, is TEETH. As long as they BEG, and don't DEMAND/SUBPOENA, then they're DIDDLING you. But, they ain't fooling me.

Besides, I'm here to complain about politics, not the media.

excon

speechlesstx
Feb 12, 2014, 03:30 PM
They've been subpoenaed (http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/08/02/house-republicans-subpoena-irs-documents/)so you can drop that line. Should he go arrest the AG, the new treasury secretary, what? Sorry buddy, but you're just blowing smoke, if it really bothers you then demand the regime comply with the subpoenas.

tomder55
Feb 12, 2014, 05:40 PM
Issa can't appoint an independent prosecutor . That has to come from the AG .

talaniman
Feb 12, 2014, 06:38 PM
Hold him in contempt again. Or get a judge to sign a probable cause affidavit and arrest the sucker for dereliction of duty, and corruption.

excon
Feb 13, 2014, 07:09 AM
Hello again,

So, you're telling me that WITHOUT the executive branch's OK, the congress can NOT investigate it?????? Congress has NO teeth??? Is that what you're telling me???? Don't you think THAT should be changed? If MY president can DO anything he wants and congress CAN'T DO anything about it, FIXING that would be HIGH on my priority? How come there aren't any BILLS to fix that??? Seems like fixing that is MUCH more important than fixing Obamacare... No?

excon

talaniman
Feb 13, 2014, 07:15 AM
They got Nixon, and Clinton, but you can't get Obama? And you blame Obama?? Typical!!

speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2014, 07:25 AM
So, you're telling me that WITHOUT the executive branch's OK, the congress can NOT investigate it

They are investigating, the regime is not cooperating and as tom said the AG -aka the regime - has to appoint a special prosecutor so what part of the regime is the one blocking a complete investigation are you not getting? Clinton appointed Kenneth Starr, Nixon had Leon Jaworski after Archibald Cox. Where is Obama's special prosecutor? Hmm?

tomder55
Feb 13, 2014, 07:38 AM
They got Nixon, and Clinton, but you can't get Obama? And you blame Obama?? Typical!! What you forget is that Nixon was compelled to appoint Archibald Cox as an independent prosecutor as quid pro quo for confirmation of AG Elliot Richardson. When Nixon tried to fire Cox after he issued subpoena for the Nixon tapes ,it led to a revolt in the Justice Dept called the Saturday Night Massacre. The tapes were the smoking gun against Nixon and Congress would NOT have gotten access to them without cooperation from the Executive Branch.

talaniman
Feb 13, 2014, 07:50 AM
I hope you hold your breathe for cooperation from the two brothers you have been trying to lynch for 5 years. Issa better get more than he's gotten which has been refuted and disputed for accuracy. I know he will keep trying, and the right will keep hollering scandal, impeach, repeal.

While the subject of this thread will fire his whole office and keep blaming them for his incompetence at best, or abuse and corruption at worst. He better plug the holes in his budget with something besides Sandy relief funds, while he is raising record funds for the RGA... for now.

What no pictures??

speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2014, 08:00 AM
I hope you hold your breathe for cooperation from the two brothers you have been trying to lynch for 5 years.

There's nothing racially charged about that statement now is there?

Get this straight once and for all, we don't give a damn what color they are and if you gave a damn about the country you'd be asking to get to the bottom of this nonsense. Instead you Dems are doubling down and demanding the IRS do more to shut down the other side while excusing their stonewalling the investigation.

talaniman
Feb 13, 2014, 09:13 AM
When a bunch of old white guys makes it their agenda to get the black guy, and haven't let up for 5 years, that's the way it looks to all the other black guys who have been watching this for 5 years.

Just an observation.

And fact is about the IRS, that scandal is bogus as our side playing the race card, and your side never does. The whole southern strategy has been around for decades, you just shot it full of steroids, more and more every year. I have given links to your sides voter ID scandal many times, still you holler integrity.

I believe you holler integrity, because you are afraid to be honest and admit to minority suppression. Not calling you racists for your fear, just being increasingly outvoted, and changes are being made. But solving your problem with guns and voting shenanigans instead of facing your fears is not a very good solution. Doesn't work for anybody, not even you, as more people run from you.

speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2014, 09:47 AM
Oh bullsh*t Tal, the only ones who ever talk about his skin color are you libs. You can't let it go and your guys can't stop revealing their own racism, so clean up your own side - and as for people running away that would be YOUR guys running from Obama, I'd say that makes them racists.

excon
Feb 13, 2014, 10:39 AM
Hello again,

If the congress CANNOT do its job of oversight, why aren't you DOING anything about that??? If the president can DO whatever he wants, then we're TOAST. I just DON'T believe the founders were SOOOOO neglectful...

But, IF they were, where is the bill to FIX it? Where???

So, in the absence of a bill to correct that obvious Constitutional LOOPHOLE, I'm left to believe that the only reason Obama hasn't been FORCED to do anything, is because the investigator is inept and/or there's NO there, there.

Are you really gonna perpetuate this fantasy that our congress is POWERLESS to STOP a rouge president???? Dudes!!!

excon

speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2014, 11:12 AM
Let's see, how many Dems are going to stop enabling him and encouraging him to be even more rogue and join Republicans in holding him accountable. That's what I thought, none.

excon
Feb 13, 2014, 11:26 AM
Hello again, Steve:

join Republicans in holding him accountable. That's what I thought, none.

In MY world, the Constitutional one, we hold him accountable by congressional oversight. We DON'T do it by flapping our gums.

I'll be HAPPY to join Republicans if they'll just DO their jobs.. There's this chick, Lois Lerner.. If MY president ordered the IRS to target his enemy's, She KNOWS it. So, she's pleading the 5th Amendment... Now, the Republican you want me to JOIN, COULD offer her immunity to find out EXACTLY what she knows... But, he ISN'T. I have NO idea why.

Why, oh why, would I want to join in on such ineptitude??

excon

speechlesstx
Feb 13, 2014, 11:42 AM
So where is that Special Prosecutor?

tomder55
Feb 13, 2014, 12:41 PM
If the congress CANNOT do its job of oversight, why aren't you DOING anything about that??? If the president can DO whatever he wants, then we're TOAST. I just DON'T believe the founders were SOOOOO neglectful...

But, IF they were, where is the bill to FIX it? Where???

Oh they foresaw these days and gave us provisions in the Constitution for the days when the branches of the Federal Gvt did not do their duties . It's called the Article 5 State convention provision to amend the Constitution.

tomder55
Feb 13, 2014, 01:46 PM
Statement by House Ways and Means Chair Rep Dave Camp :


Over the past six months, this Committee has investigated the Internal Revenue Service's targeting of conservative groups. Though our investigation is not complete, and the IRS still has many more documents to provide to the Committee, we have discovered a concerted effort by the IRS to limit the ability of those targeted conservative groups to operate and engage in constitutionally protected public debate.

Some in Washington have tried to sweep this under the rug, calling the IRS targeting an attempt to “streamline determinations” that was based in “confusion” about the rules. That rhetoric does not match the reality of what this investigation has uncovered so far:


Before February 2010, the IRS was processing and approving Tea Party cases within three months without Washington, DC intervention.
Tea Party cases were flagged due to “media attention” in February 2010, not as a result of any confusion as to how to interpret 501(c)(4) law.

Additionally, we now know that the IRS targeted not only right-leaning applicants, but also right-leaning groups that were already operating as 501(c)(4)s. At Washington, DC's direction, dozens of groups operating as 501(c)(4)s were flagged for IRS surveillance, including monitoring of the groups' activities, websites and any other publicly available information. Of these groups, 83 percent were right-leaning. And of the groups the IRS selected for audit, 100 percent were right-leaning.

All of this provides context for today's markup, which is legislation we are considering that would stop the ability of the IRS and Treasury to legalize the targeting of conservative groups. On Black Friday, Treasury released proposed rules regarding 501(c)(4)s that would essentially remove conservative groups from the public square. The rationale of the IRS and Treasury was that the rules, which have been in place for more than 50 years, created “confusion.”

However, we learned that Treasury and the IRS had been working on these guidelines behind closed doors for years. According to interviews with IRS employees, as early as 2011, work started on new 501(c)(4) regulations. A June 2012 email between Treasury officials and then-IRS Director of Tax Exempt Organizations Lois Lerner revealed that these potential regulations were being discussed “off-plan” – meaning that the plans for the regulations were not to be published on the public schedule. Treasury's fabricated rationale for changing a 50-year old rule raises serious questions about the integrity of the rule-making process and counsels for putting a hold on the draft rules.

It is important to note that the Committee has made these discoveries without even having the full universe of documents requested from the IRS – including thousands of documents from Lois Lerner that have not yet been provided. Simply put, our investigation is not yet over, the document collection is not yet complete, and I don't believe the IRS or the FBI has interviewed a single victim. The notion that the Administration would rush forward with rules intended to remove these groups from the public forum, is simply unacceptable.

Under these proposed rules, activities such as candidate forums, get out the vote efforts, and voter registration would now be considered “political activity” for 501(c)(4) groups. It is notable to mention that these activities would not be considered political for 501(c)(3)s – who cannot engage in any political activity – or unions.

I have long made clear that this Committee will fight any and all efforts to restrict the rights of groups to organize, speak out and educate the public. The legislation before us today would prevent these rules from being implemented by this Administration for one year. This timeframe would allow Congress to finish our investigation and ensure that the agency processes what is already a record number of public comments – more than 23,000 so far – so that the IRS and Treasury can really get to the merits of why these rules were formed.

Groups should be treated fairly regardless of their political beliefs. The “STOP Targeting of Political Beliefs by the IRS Act” ensures that this Administration will not be allowed to discriminate against groups based on their politics.http://waysandmeans.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=369556

excon
Feb 13, 2014, 02:08 PM
Hello again, Steve:
The “STOP Targeting of Political Beliefs by the IRS Act” ensures that this Administration will not be allowed to discriminate against groups based on their politics He was right up till he said that.

The IRS sucks. We ALL know that. But, WITHOUT a smoking gun, there's NO evidence whatsoever that the "administration", meaning Obama, had ANYTHING to do with it.

But, I'm on YOUR SIDE.. You wanted me to join a Republican.. You're elected.. In that thing you posted, I didn't see ANYTHING about them getting TOUGH about the things they want.. I just heard 'em SNIVELING that he's not getting it.

I'm SURE, the founders of this great country gave the congress MORE power than sniveling.. Tom said the only thing we can do about a ROGUE president, is to call a Constitutional convention...

Really?

excon

tomder55
Feb 13, 2014, 02:27 PM
EX , in both Nixon and Clintoon cases , the legislative branch was unified under the opposition party AND there was a special prosecutor appointed by the Executive Justice Dept. The only other time in history a POTUS was held accountable was when Andrew Johnson (who was a Dem ) defied majority Republican Congress over Reconstruction laws. Again ... both houses of Congress were firmly in the opposition. If you can show me the time when a split Congress held POTUS accountable for anything please do so .

speechlesstx
Feb 25, 2014, 05:07 AM
Look, an actual scandal in NJ involving a prominent National figure.

NJ comptroller alleges rampant corruption at Newark watershed, director pleads fifth | NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/essex/index.ssf/2014/02/state_comptroller_alleges_rampant_corruption_at_ne wark_watershed.html)

tomder55
Sep 21, 2014, 05:07 AM
quick update .... a Fed investigation has found no evidence the Christie knew anything about Bridgegate . You saw that in the news this week ;right ?

Didn't think so.

talaniman
Sep 21, 2014, 05:19 AM
I heard it Tom, but I also heard this,

NBC says it was wrong on Chris Christie report (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/19/christie-george-washington-bridge-closure-report/15885679/)


NEWARK, N.J. — NBC says a report by Brian Williams (http://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2014/09/19/feds-say-gwb-scandal-investigation-continues/15892951/) on the network's Nightly News program that federal charges have been ruled out for Gov. Chris Christie in the George Washington Bridge scandal was incorrect.
Federal prosecutors say the investigation is ongoing and haven't made any announcement on Christie's status.
"The investigation is continuing,'' said Rebekah Carmichael, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney for New Jersey Paul Fishman.

paraclete
Sep 21, 2014, 05:40 AM
What is this? A first, trial by media overturned

tomder55
Sep 21, 2014, 05:54 AM
the silence is deafening . But the investigators aint satisfied ...they are going to keep on probing until they can get a Scooter Libby type charge on someone. The next thing is to question his judgment in selecting staffers.
They want to keep the issue hanging now that candidates for President have begun their preliminary campaign appearances .

talaniman
Sep 21, 2014, 06:52 AM
Can't blame you guys for being mad that your want to be emperor is so harassed by us like our elected twice emperor has been harassed by you guy. I have always know you guys can holler loud, but can't stand being hollered at.

tomder55
Sep 21, 2014, 09:48 AM
I don't want Christie as Prez . Many better potential candidates than he .

paraclete
Sep 21, 2014, 02:36 PM
What a pity you don't decide who is and who isn't a candidate

excon
Sep 22, 2014, 06:00 AM
Hello again,

The question ISN'T, was he involved... The question IS, why didn't he know that his ENTIRE staff WAS involved??

excon

paraclete
Sep 22, 2014, 06:18 AM
So he's a dill point taken

tomder55
Sep 22, 2014, 06:33 AM
as I said ......"The next thing is to question his judgment in selecting staffers.
They want to keep the issue hanging now that candidates for President have begun their preliminary campaign appearances ."

Up until this week ,the investigation was if he was involved .

talaniman
Sep 22, 2014, 06:53 AM
That's what the investigation is still about Tom.


"The investigation is continuing,'' said Rebekah Carmichael, a spokeswoman for U.S. Attorney for New Jersey Paul Fishman.

The problem is there is so much to investigate.

tomder55
Sep 22, 2014, 07:19 AM
of course they are not giving up . Plamegate was over early in the investigation too ( Asst .Sec State Richard Armitage admitted that he had leaked Plame's name by mistake ) . But Patrick Fitzgerald went on a witch hunt until he finally was able to entrap Scooter Libby ,a minor player in the story .
I expect the Dem prosecutors in this case will dig and dig and try to keep the story alive as long as Christie is a potential candidate .

talaniman
Sep 22, 2014, 07:30 AM
Or until someone goes to jail.

tomder55
Sep 22, 2014, 07:44 AM
this is nothing more than job protection for Rachel Madcow .

NeedKarma
Sep 22, 2014, 07:49 AM
Rachel MadcowGrow up a little.

excon
Sep 22, 2014, 08:05 AM
Hello again, tom:


of course they are not giving upKinda like Benghazi, huh?

excon

tomder55
Sep 22, 2014, 09:51 AM
not even close . Benghazi is closer to Iran /Contra than some local traffic disruption .
Of course if there was the same level of cooperation then perhaps there would be a conclusion to the Benghazi investigation.

paraclete
Sep 22, 2014, 10:56 PM
I get it ex but Tom doesn't