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tomder55
Jan 3, 2014, 10:21 AM
You probably heard that the un-Kim of the NORKs wacked his uncle ,Jang Song Thaek ,in his moves to consolidate power. You probably thought that he died from a typical firing squad type execution. You would be wrong . The un-Kim ,channeling his inner Ivan the Terribe was much more creative a brutal.
Jang was stripped naked and thrown into a cage, along with his five closest aides. Then 120 hounds, starved for three days, were allowed to prey on them until they were completely eaten up. This is called "quan jue", or execution by dogs.
The report said the entire process lasted for an hour, with Mr Kim Jong Un, the supreme leader in North Korea, supervising it along with 300 senior officials.
Jang's execution bodes ill for China (http://www.straitstimes.com/the-big-story/asia-report/china/story/jangs-execution-bodes-ill-china-20131224)
Ivan the Terrible had Prince Andrew Shuisky executed in a similar manner .Ivan was 13 years old at the time.
speechlesstx
Jan 3, 2014, 10:28 AM
“He loves power. He loves control because others, you know, dad and stuff like that, but he’s just a great guy. He’s just a great guy.” -Dennis Rodman on his new best friend.
tomder55
Jan 3, 2014, 10:34 AM
Advice to Dennis ...if he plans on coaching the NORK national team ,he'd better plan on winning .
smoothy
Jan 3, 2014, 08:22 PM
Lets hope he gets a dose of his own medicine... soon.
paraclete
Jan 3, 2014, 08:24 PM
is that Dennis or Kim? You know the old saying; Those who live by the sword... die by the sword
smoothy
Jan 3, 2014, 08:31 PM
I don't think the world would be any worse for it if they both met their maker together like the bestest of buddies they think they are.
paraclete
Jan 3, 2014, 08:34 PM
Ah, yes, the best solution
Fr_Chuck
Jan 3, 2014, 09:20 PM
I liked the one the other day, when they used the anti aircraft guns to do the firing squad
paraclete
Jan 5, 2014, 04:42 AM
I must have missed that one, but the whole thing has the aura of grand opera
tomder55
Jan 5, 2014, 06:00 AM
Rodman has picked a team of former NBA players to tour NK . Suggest he let the NORKS win .I'm sure there are many more starving dogs in the country .
paraclete
Jan 5, 2014, 02:42 PM
goodwill is wasted on Kim, he doesn't understand the concept. Absolute power corrupts absolutely
excon
Jan 6, 2014, 08:38 AM
Hello:
It looks like we got punked. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/06/jang-song-thaek-eaten-by-dog_n_4547814.html?ir=World&utm_campaign=010614&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Alert-world&utm_content=Title) I believed it too. I wonder why we all did.
excon
speechlesstx
Jan 6, 2014, 08:49 AM
Yeah, firing squad is a much more humane way to whack your uncle. Maybe Rodman is right about him after all, he's just a great guy.
tomder55
Jan 6, 2014, 09:04 AM
if we were indeed punked then it worked because the report was credible . All you have to do is read some of the reports from the NORK concentration camps. The more interesting aspect of this is that the report originated from China.
paraclete
Jan 6, 2014, 05:51 PM
What a bunch of dunces we are to fall for an unconfirmed report. It is possible because we hold the worst possible view of the stalinist state so that we view all its actions as inhuman.
I for one am fed up with being manipulated by the media
smoothy
Jan 6, 2014, 07:58 PM
Having your uncle killed by a firing squad because you have issues of inadequacy or a small penis... is inhuman in itself
paraclete
Jan 6, 2014, 08:17 PM
We don't know the two are connected, I doubt we know anything about NK for sure. They could suddenly get the message and go the way of China. Remember East Germany it was a very bad implementation of a stalinist state, or they could dig in deeper. Right now they are like that proverbial bird.
speechlesstx
Jan 14, 2014, 03:18 PM
Personally I don't see how anyone could doubt the brutality of the NORK regime, even Rodman came back and apologized for "certain situations" in NK. I read this (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/01/13/the-new-age-of-christian-martyrdom.html) today though, from an avowed liberal.
Once again, the worst persecutor of Christians is North Korea, where an estimated 50,000 to 70,000 followers of Jesus are suffering in prison camps for “crimes” such as owning a Bible, going to church, or sharing their faith. In November 2013, it was reported that 80 prisoners were publicly executed, many for possessing Bibles (http://www.christianpost.com/news/north-korea-publicly-executes-80-prisoners-crimes-include-possessing-bibles-108651/). Last year, North Korea sentenced an American missionary, Kenneth Bae to 15 years of hard labor in a prison camp. The U.S. State Department has lobbied unsuccessfully for his release. (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/06/american-missionarys-health-failing-as-marks-one-year-in-north-korean-custody/])
Christians are obviously not the only North Koreans in prison camps. But former captives have reported that they often attract the worst treatment because the regime is particularly enraged by the worship of any other being than the Supreme Leader, who forces North Koreans to treat him as a deity.
It’s chilling to imagine worse treatment than what the average North Korean prisoner has reported, including a mother forced to drown her own baby in a bucket, and tales of subsisting on nothing more than rats and insects (http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/world/asia/north-korea-human-rights-kirby/index.html). According to first-hand accounts from former prisoners reported by Amnesty International, “every former inmate at one camp had witnessed a public execution, one child was held for eight months in a cube-like cell so small he couldn’t move his body and an estimated 40% of inmates die from malnutrition. (http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/05/04/north.korea.amnesty/index.html)”
The rest of the column is worth a read.
Tuttyd
Jan 14, 2014, 04:12 PM
Speech, not sure what you mean by "read this today though, from an avowed liberal".
smoothy
Jan 14, 2014, 04:28 PM
Can we get to vote to let the North Koreans keep the whole lot of them?
paraclete
Jan 14, 2014, 05:09 PM
All I can say is remember what happened to an other regime noted for it's cruelty and treatment of Christians, Rome once ruled the world but ultimately fell to the Christians, the Soviets, another brutal regime, tried to outlaw religion and destroyed Christian churches, where are they today? Kim would do well to remember that by the standard you judge you will be judged, nor can he be ignorant of this having been educated in the west. Just across the border is a nation that embraced christianity and prospered, surely the irony of this cannot escape him, he should appeal to his god, oh wait, he is his god
speechlesstx
Feb 17, 2014, 11:59 AM
Shockingly, a UN commission has discovered the obvious (http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/02/17/278461563/u-n-report-details-north-koreas-crimes-against-humanity?ft=1&f=103943429&utm_content=socialflow&utm_campaign=nprnews&utm_source=npr&utm_medium=twitter) (after 5 decades or so), that the Norks have been committing "crimes against humanity."
“Systematic, widespread and gross human rights violations have been and are being committed” by the leaders of North Korea against their own people, the U.N.’s Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights declared Monday in a report (http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/CoIDPRK/Pages/ReportoftheCommissionofInquiryDPRK.aspx) that goes on to accuse that nation’s communist regime of “crimes against humanity.”
According to the U.N. investigators, “the gravity, scale and nature of these violations reveal a state that does not have any parallel in the contemporary world.” They conclude, for example, that “hundreds of thousands of political prisoners have perished” in prison camps over the past five decades.
The High Commissioner’s report calls on the U.N. Security Council to “refer the situation in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea to the International Criminal Court.”
“The United Nations must ensure that those most responsible for the crimes against humanity committed in the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea are held accountable,” the report concludes.
Strong stuff from that feckless body, it remains to be seen if the actual Human Rights Council takes time out from condemning Israel and overlooking the violations by its own members to do any thing further about this committee's call to hold the Norks accountable.
paraclete
Feb 17, 2014, 01:58 PM
How do you hold a nation accountable for the actions of it's leader, it took years to bring Germany down and its leaders into court and noone wants another war on the Korean peninsula, so what we have is more hot air and attempts to have a case heard in the ICC. we have seen what happens to their rulings before
talaniman
Feb 17, 2014, 03:16 PM
I guess none of us humans is as perfect as we think we are, so we muddle through it. Short of choosing sides for WWIII, muddling forward is progress at least.
speechlesstx
Feb 17, 2014, 03:53 PM
I'm sorry, I just thought it was a nice change of pace to give the UN credit for doing something right for a change.
paraclete
Feb 17, 2014, 05:03 PM
Tal, we have already chosen sides for WWIII, I don't think there is much doubt of that, all that is in doubt is the commencement date and yes speech, the UN can be credited with talk on the subject, but short of another round of sanctions and another round of NK aggression, I fail to see where this takes us. The UN have stated the obvious, there were no surprises in their report. If they think Kim is intimidated by the ICC they are not thinking straight. Still monsters have been brought in from the cold before, Gaddafi became almost legitimate before his demise, so did Arafat.
tomder55
Feb 18, 2014, 11:01 AM
I guess the words "never again " is just another platitude .
paraclete
Feb 18, 2014, 02:03 PM
it's an aspiration Tom but with it goes the possibility we actually learned something
tomder55
Feb 18, 2014, 02:32 PM
no it aint . It's the words of people who saw the horror of the Nazi camps and said NEVER AGAIN !
paraclete
Feb 18, 2014, 02:48 PM
then it was not a platitude was it, wake up Tom, the world decided it couldn't happen again but it did and we didn't have to wait for NK it happened almost immediately in Russia, I know there were no ovens, but the camps, the enforced labour the starvation and what did these people do?, did they intervene? spare me the crocodile tears