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China calls for 'de-Americanised' world economy in wake of US shutdown, debt stand-off - Australia Network News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-14/an-china-calls-for-27de-americanised27-world-in-wake-of-us-sh/5020060)

The world has finally said we have had enough of irresponsible behaviour after having caused the GFC and trying it on for a second time, the message is loud and clear

The Chinese have been calling for a de-Americanised world for years . Does this mean that when the debt limit and shut down is resolved that the Chi-coms will again embrace America ? Maybe the world will instead embrace their potamkin economy.

The Chinese have been calling for a de-Americanised world for years . Does this mean that when the debt limit and shut down is resolved that the Chi-coms will again embrace America ? Maybe the world will instead embrace their potamkin economy.

Tom you fail to see reality, they have much to loose if your government defaults or your currency takes a serious hit. They don't like the exposure because they understand the irrationality of your actions and they are a serious trading partner so it will have big impact on their economy if there is another economic decline. Now seriously they are not the only ones with much to loose. Germany and Japan are also very nervious and so are the Saudis. You may not think this is of much consequence, but you are not alone in this world and you no longer rule.

They will be paid .their holding of our debt is not in danger . Maybe we should make their phony currency ,the Yuan Renminbi the reserve currency ? Bwaaaaahaaaahaaaaa !

You would think that if they wanted to protect their investment then they would support strong dollar fiscal conservative types who are trying to reign in excess US spending .
Instead they love the emperor... who agrees that the world should be de-Americanized, and who is trying to de-Americanize America.

Hello tom:

Maybe we should make their phony currency ,the Yuan Renminbi the reserve currency ? If the Republicans destroy the dollar, watch for Bitcoin (http://bitcoin.org/en/) to become the next worlds currency.

Excon

The dollar is already destroyed . It has been since Bernanke adopted a weak dollar policy and started monopoly money QE pump priming .

Hello tom:
If the Republicans destroy the dollar, watch for Bitcoin (http://bitcoin.org/en/) to become the next worlds currency.

excon

Right, what could go wrong there?

Now seriously they are not the only ones with much to loose. Germany and Japan are also very nervious and so are the Saudis. You may not think this is of much consequence, but you are not alone in this world and you no longer rule.
Let's think about that . Since the end of WWII the US has been the guarantor of many things... The economies of the world ,the free shipping of commerce .The security of many nations have been subsidized by the US taxpayer ,leaving them free to spend minimally on their own security while they invested instead in their failed nanny state social systems.

What China means by a de-Americanized world is a world dominated by China... they certainly isn't talking about a new Aussie era... or any other combination of Western nations.

LOL, funny you say that, my next door neighbor here in CHINA, is a Aussie.

Fiscal conservative types cannot add, read polls, and have a broken business model they worship. Less spending and more austerity equals contraction of everybody's economy. That's the result of this trickle down experiment that has failed over and over again, and led to one economic crisis after another.

You are exporting chaos and uncertainty to the world, by holding on to the notion you can destroy what the majority wants, and keep what you want as you shrink to noisy minority status. The few ruling the many will FAIL.

The few ruling the many will FAIL.

Oh the irony.

The dollar is already destroyed . It has been since Bernanke adopted a weak dollar policy and started monopoly money QE pump priming .

Another example that trickle down economics is a FAILURE. QE would have worked better being directed at MAIN STREET, instead of the already rich hoarders, and thieves.

Conservatives are being lead astray by no nothing wingers, and greedy self serving pirates. But without TParty votes and enthusiasm, there is no republican party. And you know it.

What's funny is that you still think Keynesian pump priming works at all.

Sure it does, and keeps rich guys honest with higher taxes. That's why you guys hate it. You can't hoard as much and have to work for your money.

You would rather lie, and call yourselves job creators. Profit and cheap labor is your bread and butter, and "normal business cycle downturns".

You want to spur small business, you have to buy stuff. Progressives ain't buying your right wing BS, and your fear of the loony's.

LOL, funny you say that, my next door neighbor here in CHINA, is a Aussie.

Yes Chuck we get around Tom doesn't realise we own more than half the uranium reserves in the US as well as our own vast deposits. We have a very real stake here Tom small though we are your pump priming has done serious damage to our export industries and it must be so for others too. We also need to ditch the american dollar standard to bring stability in pricing

We also need to ditch the american dollar standard to bring stability in pricing

What do you have in mind ? The Bung Buck ?

What do you have in mind ? The Bung Buck ?

Well, Tom it doesn't take a genius to see the system is broken and that the US cannot be responsible in maintaining the stability of the currency being used as an international standard of payment. We have tried various standards, the Gold standard, Sterling and the US dollar, none have stood the test of time so what it takes is the value of each currency to be pegged to an international standard. Perhaps a trade weighted basket of international debt so that no country can manipulate its currency as the US has done in recent years. This would of course mean that the US, with the greatest debt, would have the lowest valued currency and would be forced to get its house in order or recognise that it too is a banana republic

Fix the broken business model that we have exported to the rest of the world. Tie corporate taxes to wages and employment. Higher taxes for job creators who don't create good jobs. Lower ones for those that do.

and would be forced to get its house in order or recognise that it too is a banana republic
Conservatives are trying to get the fiscal house in order . It 's the libs that want to increase spending and build up the debt . The latest from the emperor is that he won't agree to a deal that leaves the sequester intact

Conservatives are trying to get the fiscal house in order . It 's the libs that want to increase spending and build up the debt . The latest from the emperor is that he won't agree to a deal that leaves the sequester intact

Fables, your politicians don't want less pork, they just want different pork. Obama no doubt realises the damage caused by cuts to certain programs but the whole thing is a question of scale, such as your military and these ridiculous QE programs. The day of reckoning is at hand and it means that you need higher taxes to get your debt in order. The reason there is squeeling about Obamacare is that it is in effect a tax. The sequester is the result of a do nothing Congress the last time these issues were faced and if he is calling for a complete overhaul then that is responsible but it cannot be done in crisis. I would agree you probably need a bigger sequester or sunset of a number of programs. I hear that the proposal is to put some sort of short term fix in place. Been there, Done that! Don't you have any new ideas or is it because the place is run by tired old men

Hello tom:
If the Republicans destroy the dollar, watch for Bitcoin (http://bitcoin.org/en/) to become the next worlds currency.

excon

Bitcoin has already had its troubles and people have been arrested for it. Its just another way to move around pretend money.

The answer, now to find the question


It seems the source of the problems in Washington have been found. I think it is called the Peter Principle. Basicly; people rise in the system until they reach their level of incompetence. With so many dumb people to choose from it isn't surprising that those at the top struggle

Opinion: America's problem -- we're too dumb - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/10/14/opinion/granderson-dumb-america/index.html?hpt=hp_t5)

Please don't shoot the messenger, I didn't write the article

I agree with that article. This nation as a whole has been dumbed down. Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?

I agree with that article. This nation as a whole has been dumbed down. Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?

Dad, I couldn't guess. Bush at least recognised the problem, but it takes generations to overcome a problem of poor educational outcomes

Dad, I couldn't guess. Bush at least recognised the problem, but it takes generations to overcome a problem of poor educational outcomes

You could turn it around faster by stopping all the PC crap and focusing on education and skills based schooling methods. Right now in the education system they keep shooting for the lowest denominator instead of the highest one. Also many schools have cut out programs that can teach children vocational skills including mechanics, woodworking and metalworking. They are even pushing to remove anything that is competitive or sports related. Its really sad.

You could turn it around faster by stopping all the PC crap and focusing on education and skills based schooling methods. Right now in the education system they keep shooting for the lowest denominator instead of the highest one. Also many schools have cut out programs that can teach children vocational skills including mechanics, woodworking and metalworking. They are even pushing to remove anything that is competitive or sports related. Its really sad.

Odd. In our system debate has shifted to the final examinations being too difficult and too broad and basicly irrelevant to anything but university entrance. There are links here between High Schools and vocational training at Technical Colleges so that students can earn course credit while completing High School. I'm not sure it is a good thing as it is seen as a path to drop out of High School without addressing the issues of why the student is struggling. We don't allow the kids to drop out anymore. You have to be in school until you are eighteen. We have just had a huge new program directed at school funding

Odd. In our system debate has shifted to the final examinations being too difficult and too broad and basicly irrelevant to anything but university entrance. There are links here between High Schools and vocational training at Technical Colleges so that students can earn course credit while completing High School. I'm not sure it is a good thing as it is seen as a path to drop out of High School without addressing the issues of why the student is struggling. We don't allow the kids to drop out anymore. You have to be in school until you are eighteen. We have just had a huge new program directed at school funding

Back when I went through the school system we actually had the vocational classes on campus. Woodshop, Metalshop and Mechanics were all done by the school system and not an outside source. In today's world there are programs that can receive college credit but are mainly supported through private / business funding like Cisco offers programs that include networking and real life certificates upon completion. It still was taught on campus too.

We know repubs want to drain the public schools of funding and have. The sequester cuts education funding, and conservatives are fighting the common core concept, which raised the bar for education standards. But no we can't raise taxes on corporations that claim taxes are to high, yet pay little or no taxes, and build roads and educate the kid.. 5 percent is to much for the job creators who don't create jobs.

So schools and roads don't get funded. Cities crumble, and rural areas watch the grass grow. That's the conservative idea of a great nation?

Back when I went through the school system we actually had the vocational classes on campus. Woodshop, Metalshop and Mechanics were all done by the school system and not an outside source. In today's world there are programs that can receive college credit but are mainly supported through private / business funding like Cisco offers programs that include networking and real life certificates upon completion. It still was taught on campus too.

Yes dad we had them too and still do but we had other important programs that have been sidelined, like military cadets. It's not a case of an outside source providing the programs but the programs being linked to real tertiary outcomes at a manual skills level. We are probably on the same page but we have a different attitude to things like education and health care, we consider them essential, just as infurstructure is essential. We long ago learned that the private sector isn't going to do what isn't profitable and even when they do public works for a profit motive the profits aren't there in the long term

Hello again, dad:

Can you guess which side pushed and pushed for it?You DON'T help the situation when you let children decide if God made the earth 6,000 years ago OR if evolution had a hand..

I'm NOT sure which side went for that...

excon

Hello again, dad:
You DON'T help the situation when you let children decide if God made the earth 6,000 years ago OR if evolution had a hand..

I'm NOT sure which side went for that...

excon

Candidly, it doesn't matter to the politicians since they think they made the world and they rule it, I would like them all to evolve into what they look like

Hello again, dad:
You DON'T help the situation when you let children decide if God made the earth 6,000 years ago OR if evolution had a hand..

I'm NOT sure which side went for that...

excon

Not sure how this became a debate on evolution and creation but you don't help anything by mandating a single point of view either.

It's just ex shifting the goal posts so he can kick an own goal

has anyone noticed this spellchecker that is obcessed with capitalising the first letter in the posts AHHBVGGH! correct that! PC gone mad!

It's just ex shifting the goal posts so he can kick an own goal

has anyone noticed this spellchecker that is obcessed with capitalising the first letter in the posts AHHBVGGH! correct that! PC gone mad!

Could it be the device you're using?

apparently not.

Hello again,

Let's review, shall we? Yesterday, (yes, it was ONLY yesterday) clete, and cdad were discussing EDUCATION, the dumbing down of America, and WHO is responsible for it...

I was just responding.. Isn't that what we DO here?

Excon

And I responded, you don't help anything by mandating a single point of view either.

Hello again, Steve, flat earther:

And, I'm responding that science ISN'T a point of view. Of course, you who DENY science WOULD say that, wouldn't you?

Excon

Hello again, Steve, flat earther:

And, I'm responding that science ISN'T a point of view. Of course, you who DENY science WOULD say that, wouldn't you?

Excon

Come on, when did scientific community that continually gives us incorrect computer models on AGW and changes its mind on whether coffee is good or bad for you every other year become the final authority? Yeah, I deny that science is perfect. Science would deny that science is perfect. Only liberals claim it's omniscient. My doctor told me to take fish oil because it's good for me, then a couple of months ago science told me it would increase my risk of cancer significantly. What should I do, hmmm?

Hello again, Steve:
Only liberals claim it's omniscient.Only right wingers claim the earth was made 6,000 years ago, and we should let the children decide...

And, that's going to HELP 'em score higher on college science exams. That's going to help 'em build rocket ships... DUDE!

So, BACK to cdad's post. It's clearly YOUR side who's DUMBING down this great country of ours.

Excon

Hello again, Steve:Only right wingers claim the earth was made 6,000 years ago, and we should let the children decide...

And, that's going to HELP 'em score higher on college science exams. That's going to help 'em build rocket ships... DUDE!

So, BACK to cdad's post. It's clearly YOUR side who's DUMBING down this great country of ours.

Excon

IN other words you have no answer to my post, just more BS.

What is it you want America to wake up too? Wingers dumbing down America, or dumb wingers thinking everybody else is dumb?

Okay I agree with both your BS points.

Roger Simon has the solution to the crisis, if only Ted Cruz and Boehner drowned.


Question: If Ted Cruz and John Boehner were both on a sinking ship, who would be saved?

Answer: America.

Read more: Government shutdown unleashes racism - Roger Simon - POLITICO.com (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/government-shutdown-racism-roger-simon-98272.html#ixzz2hniMBBDj)


Yeah that was harsh, a$$hole. What would save America is if idiots like you would shut the hell up.

So where is the TParty tolerance and diversity?

So where is the TParty tolerance and diversity?

Cruz is Hispanic, Palin is a woman, and Mia Love is a black woman, and as far as I know none of them have wished death on their opponents or tried to outlaw the name of a privately owned business.

Roger Simon has the solution to the crisis, if only Ted Cruz and Boehner drowned.



Yeah that was harsh, a$$hole. What would save America is if idiots like you would shut the hell up.

Actually speech it was a good piece even if it focused on Boehner's fringe benefits. You want to save america, let democracy work, you remember democracy, voice of the people stuff, majority and all that

you remember democracy, voice of the people stuff, majority and all thatThat's a thing of the past over there. Thanks to market driven values the most money is what makes the rules.

It's a good thing Canada doesn't have any of those problems (http://democracywatch.ca/campaigns/money-in-politics-campaign/).

We are very strict rules and low amounts allowed. Look it up.

It's a good thing Canada doesn't have any of those problems (http://democracywatch.ca/campaigns/money-in-politics-campaign/).

Does anyone other than Greece have these problems

Right, what could go wrong there?

I shouldn't have asked.

Meet The 'Assassination Market' Creator Who's Crowdfunding Murder With Bitcoins - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/11/18/meet-the-assassination-market-creator-whos-crowdfunding-murder-with-bitcoins/)

six targets have been submitted by users, and bounties have been collected ranging from ten bitcoins for the murder of NSA director Keith Alexander and 40 bitcoins for the assassination of President Barack ObamaWell now we know what the republicans want to deal with issues. The free market is working well.

Well now we know what the republicans want to deal with issues. The free market is working well.

So now the ankle biter is calling Republicans murderers.

FYI, He isn't very popular with Democrats (http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/health-reform-implementation/190844-obama-hits-new-low-with-dems-at-capitol) right now either.

calling Republicans murderers.
If the shoe fits.

If the shoe fits.

Thank you for your thoughtful response.

So what exactly did we get in this deal with Iran besides a momentary changing of the subject and an increasingly botoxed John Kerry on the tube?

you get to concentrate on the real issues, not those thought up by the Israeli's and the Saudi's

In case you have forgotten

Syria
Palestine
North Korea
Afghanistan/Pakistan

we know those are all too hard but I think it interesting that once it could be shown there could be a more reasonable solution to Syrian Gas stockpiles, a reasonable solution to Iran was found

I see.

Hello again, Steve:

So what exactly did we get in this deal with Iran besides a momentary changing of the subject and an increasingly botoxed John Kerry on the tubeI WOULD explain it, but I see that you're TOO invested in your hate for Kerry and/or Obama to understand my explanation, or EVEN consider it.

excon

So what exactly did we get in this deal with Iran besides a momentary changing of the subject and an increasingly botoxed John Kerry on the tube?

'HOPE' worthy of another Nobel Peace Prize. The more interesting question is what did Iran get ? The answer to that is more time to violate existing sanctions while spinning their 18,000 uranium centrifuges ;build up their stockpile of enriched uranium ,weaponize and miniaturize it .Prior to that ,the US position was that Iran cease it's activity . Now the US recognizes their "right " to enrich . That is a fundamental change in US policy . And a final agreement will include a "mutually defined enrichment program.”
Also included in the deal is Iran legitimacy in the international community .No longer is it a 'rogue state ' .
For that recognition ,the US agrees to suspend and cease enforcement of sanctions aimed at enforcing a ceasation of uranium enrichment and nuclear weapon development . (an economic gain conservatively estimated at $7 billion. ) They suffer no strategic changes . It's a win-win for them ....and they don't have to change their behavior at all in exchange.
Where there was a consensus that their activity had to cease ;even enforced at the point of the sword; now there is no military threat for them to fear . They now know that if Israel (which correctly views the Iran nuke program as an existential threat ) will be on it's own as far as US support. At best Israel may be able to convince the Saudi's and the Gulf states ,and /or maybe the Turks ,that they should be strategic partners against the Iran threat . But the world will not support an attack on the Iran nuke program if there is an agreement that allows them to proceed .

I WOULD explain it, but I see that you're TOO invested in your hate for Kerry and/or Obama to understand my explanation, or EVEN consider it.

There are plenty of Democrats skeptical of this deal as well so don't condescend to me with that pathetic hatred of Obama nonsense. Besides I've said many times he's a likeable guy but his policies are worthy of my scorn. That's one of the great things about "we the people," I don't have to LIKE what the idiots in Washington do and have (for now) the right to criticize them. But I shouldn't have to explain that to you.

Now, what exactly did we get in this deal, because unlike you I don't trust states who sponsor terror, hope for the total annihilation of the Jews and vows to never stop enriching uranium like you do.

P.S. Here's one that isn't too keen on the emperor's deal, Schmucky Schumer.

VIDEO: Sen. Schumer at OHEL Dinner: Dems and GOP United To Oppose Iran Deal (http://jpupdates.com/2013/11/24/video-senschumer-ohel-dinner-dems-gop-united-oppose-iran-deal/)

“It's disappointing to me that Iran is still going to be allowed to enrich while they're talking. I would have thought that should be a prerequisite to any kind of talks. We're not asking them to dismantle any of their centrifuges. So that's disappointing,”
Rep Eliot Engel to Candy Crowley of CNN

“The disproportionality of this agreement makes it more likely that Democrats and Republicans will join together and pass additional sanctions when we return in December,”
Sen Chuck Schumer .

Hello again, Steve:

Now, what exactly did we get in this deal, because unlike you I don't trust states who sponsor terror, like you do.
Here's the thing you right wingers miss. Diplomacy has NOTHING to do with trust.

If Reagan waited until he TRUSTED the Russians before he dealt with them, the world would be WAYYYY different...

If Reagan didn't negotiate with the Iranian hostage takers (who I'll bet he DIDN'T trust) our hostages would probably be DEAD...

I'd TURN off that radio and think a little bit. You ARE smarter than Rush Limprod.

excon

Alrighty then.

By the way, this (http://1009theeagle.com/) is what I listen to.

Here's the thing you right wingers miss. Diplomacy has NOTHING to do with trust.

If Reagan waited until he TRUSTED the Russians before he dealt with them, the world would be WAYYYY different...

If Reagan didn't negotiate with the Iranian hostage takers (who I'll bet he DIDN'T trust) our hostages would probably be DEAD...

I'd TURN off that radio and think a little bit. You ARE smarter than Rush Limprod.

excon

That of course does not answer the question about what Iran has to give up as part of the deal. This negotiation is at best ..... we see you are violating the terms of the sanctions ... soy you just go ahead and do that while we wait 6 months and ease the sanctions in the HOPE that in 6 months we can make a deal .

When it comes to Assad, the truth hurts (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/11/24/assad-crimes-syria-arab-spring-war-column/3667309/)


It seems that when we can't face the truth, we devise our own. America did this in Iraq, believing that all civilized people when given a choice will become Jeffersonian democrats. We did not bargain on Iraqi factions having little interest in our conception of liberty or governance.

We could not fathom the Arab Spring turning into the deep freeze of the Arab Winter. Surely, after decades of repression, hundreds of millions of people in the Middle East would settle for nothing less than their turn at New England town meetings. Once more, through self-delusion, the truth was hidden from us.

Which brings us to Syria. Yes, we know that much of Assad's known chemical weapons cache has been neutralized--but at a staggering price. For the foreseeable future we empower this barbarian in a suit to continue to rule. Realpolitik? Better the devil we know? Should we take pride that this war criminal's capacity to inflict harm on his people has been severely diminished?

Perhaps one of Assad's hi-tech arrows from his quiver of horrors has been disabled, but never underestimate the capacity for evil.

Even as the "civilized" world congratulated itself on degrading Assad's WMD, Syria's president turned to one of the oldest and most gruesome tools of war, borrowed from antiquity. Assad is laying siege to his own citizens, slowly and painfully starving them to death. Michel Kilo, a leader in the National Coalition for Syrian Revolutionary and Opposition Forces reports that after failing to oust rebels from the al-Ghouta and al-Homs regions, Assad began implementing a program of deliberate starvation. Agents took whatever food they could find off shelves. Portals to the region were sealed off. Prices of staples such as sugar and rice initially skyrocketed. By now there is none to buy at any price. People are dying of hunger. Kilo spoke of a mother who gave birth and expired within days, not having eaten for ten days before delivery. Her baby, never having been fed, soon followed. Kilo estimates that "the shadow of death hovers over nearly two million people."

The biblical verse in Lamentations comes to mind. "More fortunate were those who succumbed to the sword, than those who succumbed to hunger."

How terrifying for the victims to know that word of their suffering has reached the outside world, yet no one seems to care. Once again in the Middle East, very old and the very new terrors embrace in a macabre dance of death.

The Internet exposes every pixel of reality, save the Truth. Truth itself has become a casualty, having to hide its face from our delusions, incapable of looking helpless innocents in the face.

In Syria, self-delusion feeds on deep-seated enmities that skewer reality. Mr. Kilo accompanied his horrific report with analysis of who is responsible for the mass starvation. Predictably, the Great Satan is Israel. The Western powers, he asserts, could intervene on behalf of beleaguered Syrians but choose not to because only Israel's security is important — everyone else be damned.

It is a measure of the entrenched hatred in the Middle East that this Syrian opposition figure, with the courage to stand up to Assad's tyranny doesn't have the capacity to acknowledge what is before him in plain sight. One of the few places that Syrians can and do turn for assistance is Israel. Near the border it shares with a country with which it is still technically at war, Israel has been treating injured Syrians for months. Israeli doctors volunteer there; many give up their weekends with family and friends, and head for the field hospital in the Golan Heights, where they treat wounded civilians and soldiers alike. No identities are revealed, no payment required. There is something terribly wrong when people whose own loved ones are endangered cannot recognize good, while the rest of us can't recognize evil.

Nowhere are the stakes higher than in negotiations between Western diplomats and a nuclearizing Tehran. And nothing can be more dangerous for world peace than our capacity for self-delusion.

Rabbi Abraham Cooper is associate dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center where Rabbi Yitzchok Adlerstein is director of interfaith relations.

'Historic mistake': Israelis, Republicans condemn Iran nuclear deal - World News (http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/24/21591860-historic-mistake-israelis-republicans-condemn-iran-nuclear-deal?lite&gt1=43001)


The deal stipulates that Iran will commit to halt uranium enrichment above 5 percent and also to neutralize its stockpile of near-20 percent uranium. The Islamic Republic has also committed to halt progress on its enrichment capacity. Iran will also halt work at its plutonium reactor and provide access to nuclear inspectors.

In exchange, the United States and its allies have agreed to offer Iran "modest relief" from economic sanctions and access to a portion of the revenue that the country has been denied through these sanctions. No new sanctions will be imposed.

It's a process, we can always restore sanctions and make them even tougher. Or bomb them to hell. This deal is but a small step in the right direction. Build trust, but verify actions. Talking often gets better results than hollering, calling names, and throwing rocks.

There is no basis for this trust . This is the same Kabuki dance we've done with the NORKS . Well now they've detonated a nuke test and have launched 3 stage rockets into lower orbit and still we HOPE we can cut a deal with them .

Being stupid just to change the subject and pat yourself on the back is not a good thing. I'm always amazed at how you lefties trust terrorists but not your neighbors, you think the Tea Party is the greatest threat in the world, not dictators bent on world domination.

When it comes to Assad, the truth hurts: Column (http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2013/11/24/assad-crimes-syria-arab-spring-war-column/3667309/)

Most people know this dictator and his daddy before him were brutal.

Most people know this dictator and his daddy before him were brutal.

and the 12ers running Iran aren't ? I'm suprised our partners in the P5+1 didn't bring up all the known terrorist activites initiated in Europe and around the world by the gang running Iran.... like the Mykonos restaurant assassinations ,the Buenos Aires assassination ,or the attempted assassination of the Saudi Ambassador in Washington DC .

There is no basis for this trust . This is the same Kabuki dance we've done with the NORKS . Well now they've detonated a nuke test and have launched 3 stage rockets into lower orbit and still we HOPE we can cut a deal with them .

China can't control them either.


Being stupid just to change the subject and pat yourself on the back is not a good thing. I'm always amazed at how you lefties trust terrorists but not your neighbors, you think the Tea Party is the greatest threat in the world, not dictators bent on world domination.

We don't trust terrorist, nor do we think you are the greatest threat in the world, nor do we change the subject. You are but one thing to be coped with, there are many others, but don't worry we will get back to whatever you are hollering about, and throwing rocks at.

Stupid is being stuck on one thing, and ignoring other things. You have to multitask... walk and chew bubble gum, to break it down. Guns and bombs are not the ONLY solution. And you can't just shoot at anything you are afraid of.

Coming from the side who couldn't cobble together a working website with almost 4 years to do it I think I'd go easy on that line of insults.

China can't control them either.
ummm that would be a "I rest my case " .

I highly suggest you both buckle up, as the whole world is accelerating to a new reality as knowledge increases. Try and keep up. You have become to heavy too drag into the future.

Hollering, screaming, and throwing rocks, is not sufficient, or an effective means of problem solving. Nor is criticizing without an alternative. If the so called alternatives you have so far put forth have not gained sufficient support to carry them forward, then you should rethink them.

Comes back to that vote again doesn't it?

Alrighty then, good luck with that. I guess you haven't heard "I told you so" enough lately.


Robert Zarate, the policy director for the Foreign Policy Initiative, a think tank that has supported more sanctions on Iran, said the deal signed in Geneva was dangerous (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/11/24/why-the-iranian-nuclear-deal-is-dangerous.html). "We're another step closer to a nuclear-1914 scenario in the Middle East or elsewhere,” Zarate said. “If we cannot say 'no' to Iran -- a country, by the way, that's repeatedly violated the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty, international nuclear inspections and U.N. Security Council resolutions -- then good luck getting countries who haven't broken any rules, including some of America's allies and partners, to refrain from getting enrichment and reprocessing or, perhaps eventually, nuclear weapons."

So we shouldn't see getting international inspectors into Iran as a positive step of verification? Or recognize it was the sanctions that made them willing to talk? Or keep using the sanctions and inspections as a measure to see if they obey the agreements?

Nothing says we have stopped pushing for more, and at the speed that congress works, 6 months is about right to know what the NEXT step should be. To take NO steps is NOT an option, and we can argue with that all you want.

There are no quick easy fixes. No magic strategy.

The UN has a great track record of gettin' 'r done, and it is the Democrat-controlled Senate that is hinting at throwing the emperor under the bus on this. I'm just sayin'...

I can wait and see what the senate will do. I don't see a vote for anything this week, or NEXT. Just my opinion, I would add more pressure if Iran doesn't honor the present agreements in the next 6 months. If they wouldn't let inspectors in NOW, I would be hollering foul.

But that's just ME.

Oh I'm sure that the lefties will be on board calling new sanctions the work of the Jewish lobby. Anyway ,you like bipartisanship . I can assure you that any sanctions passed in the Senate will have broad bipartisan support .

Rest assured I will let you know when they have something beside rhetoric to comment on. Talk is easy, an actual bipartisan bill is NOT!

nah ,the House already passed one ,and the Senate is on board . At best ,Menendez indicated the terms of the sanctions they pass may be delayed ....and Schumer ,who is arguably the most influential Dem in the Senate after Reid is all on board for more sanctions.
http://blogs.rollcall.com/wgdb/schumer-menendez-renew-calls-for-new-iran-sanctions/

At least he probably accomplished half his goals, preventing Israel from attacking (http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-24/in-iran-obama-achieves-50-percent-of-his-goals.html).

That's premature Speech, what has been achieved is to check Iran's progress and get a positive outcome in negotiations

That's premature Speech, what has been achieved is to check Iran's progress and get a positive outcome in negotiations

check ? bwa haaa haaa haaa ! . Nothing of the sort has been achieved . Their centrifuges are still free to spin and produce enriched uranium .The only difference is that now they wont face any consequences for it for 6 months. It was very clear from Kerry's actions last week that he was desperate for this deal. Why ?

check ? bwa haaa haaa haaa ! . Nothing of the sort has been achieved . Their centrifuges are still free to spin and produce enriched uranium .The only difference is that now they wont face any consequences for it for 6 months. It was very clear from Kerry's actions last week that he was desperate for this deal. Why ?

feather in his cap as well as BO? Yes the Iranians are free to do what they have been doing anyway, so a little bit of reality and agreement not to take enrichment beyond 5%. The real loser here is the US who have had to back off a hard line approach

feather in his cap as well as BO? Yes the Iranians are free to do what they have been doing anyway, so a little bit of reality and agreement not to take enrichment beyond 5%. The real loser here is the US who have had to back off a hard line approach

well it won't be long before Kerry tells us 'you have to pass the treaty to find out what's in it. What we do know is that prior to this weekend the US position was that Iran does not have a right to enrich uranium. That is the only change I see. We now say they do have that right .

feather in his cap as well as BO? Yes the Iranians are free to do what they have been doing anyway, so a little bit of reality and agreement not to take enrichment beyond 5%. The real loser here is the US who have had to back off a hard line approach

It's really a sad day when the French are the ones who are trying to maintain the integrity of the sanction regime. The world will never be able to restore them to where they were . The only pressure left to apply will be military .

No the sanctions restricted their revenue and has destroyed their economy, unrestricted Iran will bloom industrially and could be a counter to China and India in the region, oil prices will come down and that has to be a good thing

Enrichment for the purpose domestic power is very different from making a bomb. Kind of hard to stop sovereign nations from doing as they please, short of mass destruction. But neocons everywhere always want war and find reasons for them instead of looking for alternatives.

I don't see the problem with domestic nuclear power, it's where their research takes them from there that can be a problem. They have nuclear neighbours, so lots of catchup and kudos to be had.

They have enriched to 20%, nobody seems to have talked about what to do with that fuel or why they needed to do it. perhaps the French can supply a fast breeder reactor.

So they are working on bringing Iran in from the cold, all the while hoping not to catch cold

They are not trustworthy to enrich uranium for "domestic purposes. If they want to refuel their reactors at the Bushehr site ,then they should purchase the rods and give spent rods back to a responsible nation for recycling .
I also note that this plan does not include the sites they don't admit to like the one at Natanz .
Natanz - Iran Special Weapons Facilities (http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iran/natanz-imagery.htm)

If everyone knows it, I am sure so do we. I don't think we will take their word for it.

It is there ,undeclared and will be uninspected . They have a parallel program running that also includes a new hardened site at Mobarekeh, which is close to the existing military industrial complex, at Haft-e Tir. These sites will not be the subject of inspection ;and the emperor and the whole world knows it . That is why it's insanity that we came to this deal . They get what they want and we get nothing in return ... plus we have now officially recognized their right to enrich .

That's a reach to think they are not subject to inspection. The UN charter gives any nation the power to call inspection sites into questions and if nobody does, I hardly think Israel, to name one, will let these sites go unchallenged, no matter the level of denial.

Not seeing this as a license to enrich as you are since they were doing it anyway before.

I will amend and say that Fordo and Natanz will come under inspection.
Existence of the Fordo Plant was disclosed to the IAEA September 2009,but only after the site became known to Western intelligence services and there was a possible explosion there . Their Parchin site and other suspected sites remains out of UN oversight.
The last IAEA report spoke of "Possible Military Dimensions". (page 10)
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/other/IAEA-Report-Iran-20131114.pdf
"Since 2002, the Agency has become increasingly concerned about the possible existence in Iran of undisclosed nuclear related organizations, including activities related to the development of a payload for a missile.”

The IAEA received information indicating activities "relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device." This was further corroborated by new information obtained since November 2011.
Iran has not been cooporative in the investigation of these findings .And the Geneva agreement doesn't bring it up.

Well, finally a promise Obama can keep.

Obama Promised Iran ‘If You Like Your Uranium, You Can Keep Your Uranium’

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I will amend and say that Fordo and Natanz will come under inspection.
Existence of the Fordo Plant was disclosed to the IAEA September 2009,but only after the site became known to Western intelligence services and there was a possible explosion there . Their Parchin site and other suspected sites remains out of UN oversight.
The last IAEA report spoke of "Possible Military Dimensions". (page 10)
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/uploads/Documents/other/IAEA-Report-Iran-20131114.pdf
"Since 2002, the Agency has become increasingly concerned about the possible existence in Iran of undisclosed nuclear related organizations, including activities related to the development of a payload for a missile.”

The IAEA received information indicating activities "relevant to the development of a nuclear explosive device." This was further corroborated by new information obtained since November 2011.
Iran has not been cooporative in the investigation of these findings .And the Geneva agreement doesn't bring it up.

another correction Tom, two in a day. Does this mean your version of google doesn't search current articles or more likely you are stuck in a time warp. What part of they were doing it anyway don't you get? Did you impose these conditions on India or Pakistan? and Pakistan having the bomb is a far more dangerous scenario.

another correction Tom, two in a day. Does this mean your version of google doesn't search current articles or more likely you are stuck in a time warp. What part of they were doing it anyway don't you get? Did you impose these conditions on India or Pakistan? and Pakistan having the bomb is a far more dangerous scenario.

I would've on Pakistan .That was negligence by every American administration in the 1970s. As for my corrections ,had I left them as is you would not have made the effort to do the reseach . So thank me.

I would've on Pakistan .That was negligence by every American administration in the 1970s. As for my corrections ,had I left them as is you would not have made the effort to do the reseach . So thank me.

Simply Tom I do research when I feel it is necessary, not to refute your arguments. Problem is you have to be even handed, there is nothing to suggest India is anymore reasonable than Pakistan and Iran may prove to be more reasonable than both of them when the contention no longer exists. The fact is you have used sanctions to hurt Iran in the same way you hurt Iraq and look where that got you. Are you sure you are not just a saudi toady? I'm sure Iran was happy you wiped out their old enemy for them

Simply Tom I do research when I feel it is necessary, not to refute your arguments. Problem is you have to be even handed, there is nothing to suggest India is anymore reasonable than Pakistan and Iran may prove to be more reasonable than both of them when the contention no longer exists. The fact is you have used sanctions to hurt Iran in the same way you hurt Iraq and look where that got you. Are you sure you are not just a saudi toady? I'm sure Iran was happy you wiped out their old enemy for them

Has the Indian leaders spoken in apocalyptic terms about ushering in the chaos that will lead to a return of a cult leader ? Has India ever threatened to use their nukes to wipe out another country off the face of the earth ? Silly moral equivalence.

Has the Indian leaders spoken in apocalyptic terms about ushering in the chaos that will lead to a return of a cult leader ? Has India ever threatened to use their nukes to wipe out another country off the face of the earth ? Silly moral equivalence.


why did India acquire a nuclear deterrent? Who threated them? was it China or Pakistan? India acquired nuclear weapons before Pakistan but after China. The possession of nuclear weapons is the result of paranoia, not any form of moral equivalence. Would Iran feel threated by another nuclear armed state? They certainly destroyed Iragi capability and yet I can understand Iran wanting nuclear capability when it is surrounded by nuclear states, Israel, Russia, Pakistan and at greater distance China and the US, the latter of whom has a somewhat belligerent attitude towards Iran

Would Iran feel threated by another nuclear armed state?
They are the aggressors ,and the emperor did a Neville Chamberlain imitation.
http://www.drudgereport.com/onc.jpg

There are a lot of aggressors in this world. It will be interesting to see if the US matchs aircraft carrier for aircraft carrier in the East China Sea.

I can't deny the rhetoric of Ahamadjihad but he is no longer speaking for Iran, while he was president there was far too much aggression and it achieved nothing, just as US sanctions achieved nothing. These are different days and perhaps BO recognises that. We should welcome a lessening of tensions in the Gulf afterall there may be more than we can handle in the East China Sea

hey Tom here's what a fellow american says about the ACA

ACA badly implemented but still good for America (column) - The York Daily Record (http://www.ydr.com/letters/ci_24598501/aca-badly-implemented-but-still-good-america-column)

Now I can understand that people in some states see it differently but this piece is written by a person nearby facing the same set of difficulties you are, so Tom how come he sees it differently?. I know, he is not listening to republican bulldust

This op ed was written by someone in York Pa. which is close to Gettysburg. She gripes about Gov. Corbett ,but I applaud his responsible actions regarding the Medicaid scam .
The rest of her rant is typical progressive pablum. Tal does a much better job of it .

hey Tom here's what a fellow american says about the ACA

ACA badly implemented but still good for America (column) - The York Daily Record (http://www.ydr.com/letters/ci_24598501/aca-badly-implemented-but-still-good-america-column)

Now I can understand that people in some states see it differently but this piece is written by a person nearby facing the same set of difficulties you are, so Tom how come he sees it differently?. I know, he is not listening to republican bulldust

You do realize that the person that wrote it has no connection to reality and is only spouting the party line. Just look at what they are writing. They make claims that don't exist. They tell lies to support their position. Maybe that is why they don't sound like Tom. Or anyone that actually looks at what is going on filtered with facts and reality.

Would Iran feel threated by another nuclear armed state?

Would Israel nuke Iran to protect itself?

hey Tom here's what a fellow american says about the ACA

ACA badly implemented but still good for America (column) - The York Daily Record (http://www.ydr.com/letters/ci_24598501/aca-badly-implemented-but-still-good-america-column)

Now I can understand that people in some states see it differently but this piece is written by a person nearby facing the same set of difficulties you are, so Tom how come he sees it differently?. I know, he is not listening to republican bulldust

Excellent Clete, but was telling was how my right wing friends resorted to name calling and denial instead of with facts. They have non, and its no excuse to be for exclusion, rather than inclusion. They try to redefine their BS but it's still BS.

The broken free market is being exposed in almost every turn for what it is, greed and extraction and the failure of exclusive supply side economics.

The broken free market is being exposed in almost every turn for what it is, greed and extraction and the failure of exclusive supply side economics.

Tal we didn't need another example of a broken market when this market was already broken before interference.

A few benefit greatly from the broken market and pull no stops to stop anyone from fixing it.

Yes Tal I said before you can blame the insurance industry and the lobbists for the mess

lol as if the libs aren't in bed with them. This whole system was devised by the emperor and the Dem caucus . You think the insurance companies had any say ?

Hell yes, as did big Pharma. with part D. None have lost money in the deals, quite the contrary.

The right wing has its facts WRONG! And they know it!

There are a lot of aggressors in this world. It will be interesting to see if the US matchs aircraft carrier for aircraft carrier in the East China Sea.

I can't deny the rhetoric of Ahamadjihad but he is no longer speaking for Iran, while he was president there was far too much aggression and it achieved nothing, just as US sanctions achieved nothing. These are different days and perhaps BO recognises that. We should welcome a lessening of tensions in the Gulf afterall there may be more than we can handle in the East China Sea

Farsnews (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920905001745)
Actually it's been the NORKS who have been doing R&D on the Iranian ballistic missile . Don't worry ,they are only developing ICBMs for peaceful purpose.

Farsnews (http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13920905001745)
Actually it's been the NORKS who have been doing R&D on the Iranian ballistic missile . Don't worry ,they are only developing ICBMs for peaceful purpose.

I seem to recall there are other uses for missile technology than ICBM. In any case Iran isn't interested in bombing the US so they don't need an ICBM. It seems only peaceful nations need ICBM, no doubt to grow pot plants on MARS.

Actually Tom North Korea has been remarkably silent since their last outburst. Ssshh! we don't want to wake them up while they work on their satellite technology

Actually Tom North Korea has been remarkably silent since their last outburst. Ssshh! we don't want to wake them up while they work on their satellite technology

North Korea 'restarts' nuclear reactor, atomic watchdog warns | World news | theguardian.com (http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/28/north-korea-restarts-nuclear-reactor-warns-iaea-pyongyang)

They function as R&D for Iran because Iran pays well.

well someone got to do it

Turns out the Geneva deal is about " trust " ....but don't verify .


In that sense, the interim deal is only important to the extent it helps to produce that ultimate, comprehensive agreement. Fortunately, the deal has real value as a confidence-building measure.

Simply put, the United States and Iran don't trust each other. That is understandable given how they have both behaved in the 34 years since the Islamic Revolution. Mistrust is so deeply rooted on both sides that it has often threatened to make any serious negotiations impossible.

What is most significant about the current deal is its potential to overcome that mutual mistrust.
Kenneth Pollack | The Nuclear Deal With Iran Was About Trust, Not Verification | Foreign Affairs (http://www.foreignaffairs.com/articles/140290/kenneth-pollack/confidence-enrichment?cid=soc-twitter-in-snapshots-confidence_enrichment-112513)

Former CIA chief Michael Hayden stated what has been clear since the deal was reached .....that the US conceded that Iran has a "right " to enrich uranium even as it violated every US and UN sanctions prohibiting it .
Former CIA head: U.S. has (http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/01/former-cia-head-u-s-has-accepted-iranian-uranium-enrichment/)

Nobody would care if they were just providing power, but the idea of a nuclear missile is scary. But you have to start somewhere and talking and working on a comprehensive agreement is better than rhetorical threats.

The sanctions worked, and they know it. How far the process can take us, is something we will see about.

Hello again, tom:

I watched Hayden yesterday on FOX... He LIKED the agreement..

excon

I know he did . Doesn't suprise me at all. My point was only his admission that we have conceded a major point to Iran and got nothing in return.

After you take one step you can take another. That's what we got in return, the ability/opportunity to take another step.

I know he did . Doesn't suprise me at all. My point was only his admission that we have conceded a major point to Iran and got nothing in return.

Nonsense you got to advance your agenda of preventing them from developing nuclear weapons, you can have nuclear energy and capability without nuclear weapons. What did you want? to march in with your storm troopers and take over, perhaps plant another "democracy" in the Muslim world? We all know how the last one turned out.

glad you admit that sanctions by the international community are not worth the toilet paper they are written on .

glad you admit that sanctions by the international community are not worth the toilet paper they are written on .

I didn't say that, actually they achieved an objective of forcing Iran to the conference table, what did you want? to destroy their economy like your did for Iraq?

The compassionate Yank, always willing to help others suffer for a cause they will never suffer for themselves

We may be the face of whatever is going on, and a major part of it, but alone we are not, we have many friends bound by a common interest.

We may be the face of whatever is going on, and a major part of it, but alone we are not, we have many friends bound by a common interest.

yes Tal but not all interests align, we have seen you enrich yourselves at our expense, your allies and friends, now we bear the brunt of being your friends in this spy scandal, which gets deeper by the minute.

It is becoming very costly to be your friend and you sometimes behave like the bully on the block.

Don't be a snob, you make your money too, and just because we have better spy stuff don't act like you don't have any.

It is not about being better, obviously someone will put more capital and effort into it, it is about involving and using your friends in your schemes so we wind up with the backwash and you come up smelling like roses. It's like this no one will take on the bully for being a bully but they will take on one of his friends if they get the chance.

the way you behave is like the bully, you do whatever you like and then if anyone complains you act like they have no right too, all the while insisting on your rights to stuff everyone else

Hello tom:
If the Republicans destroy the dollar, watch for Bitcoin (http://bitcoin.org/en/) to become the next worlds currency.

Excon

Nah, Bitcoin is racist or something (http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2014/02/27/3341411/bitcoin-privilege/#).

The biggest exchange company of bitcoins filed for bankruptcy . Mt. Gox files bankruptcy, says hackers stole all its bitcoins - chicagotribune.com (http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/sns-mt-gox-bankruptcy-bitcoins-20140228,0,3681597.story) Hackers virtually stole a half billon dollars of the virtual currency. (820,000 Bitcoins ).
Just before the bankruptcy of the Mt. Gox bitcoin digital-money (or virtual-currency) exchange, Japanese finance minister Taro Aso predicted the inevitable failure. "No one recognizes them as a real currency," he told reporters. "I expected such a thing to collapse."RealClearMarkets - A Junk Currency Made Mt. Gox Bust Inevitable (http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2014/03/01/a_junk_currency_made_mt_gox_bust_inevitable_100933 .html)

this is what you get when you believe the shysters

American news networks screw up their geography and call Tony Abbott “Prime Minister John Abbot” | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/american-news-networks-screw-up-their-geography-and-call-tony-abbott-prime-minister-john-abbot/story-fnizu68q-1226861047746)

pardon me but your ignorance is showing