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Scissor sister
Sep 20, 2013, 05:50 PM
Hi there.
A family member has rather severe dementia. Violent and dangerous behavior is not uncommon. It was recommended that said family member be assessed/ placed via ccac approx 5 years ago...
Son that holds poa, refuses to act on anything . More interested in the $ that he's due to inherit than anything else. Is there any way to have his poa revoked/ reassessed based on neglect?

cdad
Sep 20, 2013, 06:34 PM
What type of POA does he have? If he is not living up to the rules of being a POA then he can be removed by the courts and someone else installed as POA.

Scissor sister
Sep 20, 2013, 06:54 PM
Personal care as well as financial on both parents. Non dementia patient spends 24/7 trying to control dementia patient to no avail. His health is failing due to stress. Dementia patient refuses to indulge in any personal care (ie changing clothes/ showering) and has physically beaten at least 2 family members, when they forced the issue. She's also a fire hazard and my children are no longer to see her period due to her volatile behavior.
Poa is in the process of ccac assessment but I have been told "it's too time consuming/ too much red tape"
Wondering if this constitutes elder abuse. Am strongly believing that the Poa's retirement is based on the income of the seniors who are currently suffering... no one has access to back accounts with the exception of poa...
My common law husband is the biological grandson of both. Unclear what can be done at this point.
Can the poa be reported to the ministry? Family members who work for emergency services are turning a blind eye...
Thanks in advance;(

joypulv
Sep 21, 2013, 02:32 AM
A key statement you made is that other family are not with you on this. It sounds very much like situations countless people go through, and I don't see that anything can be done until there is a disaster. My mother was a severe hoarder, and it was tough on my father, and on me when I went home to take care of them both. It was a health and fire hazard. There were mice living in all the junk. When I finally got to the bottom of the piles I found solidified excrement 2 inches deep in places.

I didn't even like my mother, but I still endured her anger and volatility until the day she died, at home. She did end up in the hospital here and there but always checked herself out. She wasn't diagnosed with dementia but was taking Aricept, which is for Alzheimer's... the thing is that deep down I knew she didn't have it. She had always acted pretty much the way she was acting.

You allude to her husband being there too but don't say how he feels about all this?

It sounds like her wish to live at home is a large part of her son's reticence, as much as not wanting to spend money on a nursing home. Maybe that's just how I see it based on my experience, but this all goes back to the family who 'turn a blind eye.' It would take agreement by others, I think, because it's not a cut and dry case. No matter how awful she is, she still has basic rights.

joypulv
Sep 21, 2013, 05:40 AM
Upon re-reading this, I would like to know more about the husband's failing health due to caring for his wife. Even if he is unwilling to admit that he can't handle it, he needs to know what some options are.
The son can't prevent your husband from visiting his grandfather to find out what he wants (unless he has a restraining order). Granddad can even revoke the POA if he was the one who gave it to their son.
Before he goes, he should find out various options for short term care. Many facilities have what are called 'rehab' areas even for the elderly, based on the assumption that if they do better within about 2 months, they go home (doesn't usually work for the elderly though). The programs are different, including more attention and things like exercise. Both husband and wife might even be able to go.
Also check out various home-health programs provided by gov't benefits. I'm in the US, where Medicare allows for X hours a week of different kinds of visiting nurses and aides and therapists.

tickle
Sep 21, 2013, 06:35 AM
Yes, in order to access OHIP benefits, the Access Center CCAC must assess the needs and mental stability of the person. You must know that there are waiting lists to go on through Access and if something was initiated five years ago, then someone from CCAC must have called to say there was a placement.

This is an international site, so basically anyone in the US would not know who CCAC.

This person who needs the care has a spouse, correct? Then the spouse could arrange the placement.

CCAC must known about the abuse both financially and physically, and have the authority through the Ontario government to intervene.
Someone In the family MUST call the case manager at CCAC and get the ball rolling. She can answer any questions about the POA as well.