So I tried this thing called mirror scrying or whatever. I'm not very experienced with it. All I did was sit a mirror on the floor against a dresser with my back against a bed with my legs folded and just stared into it. I didn't know what to expect, but things got kind of weird. I started to notice while staring with my eyes wide open that my face and skin form started to change. I saw my eyes shut close for a bit then open back up. Then I saw my face start to take the form of a demon-like figure. While staring -- I also seen this white aura surrounding me. I'm not sure what that was. Maybe it was my own aura. I was encased in this small aura of darkness and began to feel really weird. I stopped and figure I aught to try it again later. Also, the first form of me I saw, it felt as though I was seeing myself dead. Well, I aught to try this more later.

Do you have a question?

Do you have a question?

Yes. Is what I've done dangerous or something? I'm not so sure.

Yes. Is what I've done dangerous or something? I'm not so sure.
Dangerous? How so?

Dangerous? How so?

I don't know. That's why I asked. I plan to keep trying.

I dunno. That's why I asked. I plan to keep trying.
What are you trying to accomplish?

What are you trying to accomplish?

I'm not really sure, actually. I just wanted to try it out and see what comes of it. Now, I guess I want to see more.

I'm not really sure, actually. I just wanted to try it out and see what comes of it. Now, I guess I want to see more.
Have you read up on this? It doesn't really sound like you know what you are doing. You don't seem to be mindful about it. I get the feeling you are about 14 years old and playing games so you can report stuff to your friends.

Have you read up on this? It doesn't really sound like you know what you are doing. You don't seem to be mindful about it.

I've read up about it some. I don't know all too much.

I've read up about it some. I don't know all too much.
I suggest you read up on it -- in library books and on the Internet on reliable websites.

My sister claims she prays for three hours and then can speak in tongues. (I would too after three solid hours of praying!) The Bible says there has to be a tongue interpreter available to translate, but my sis says it's between God and her. In other words, she is misusing the speaking-in-tongues experience.

Don't do that with scrying.

Have you read up on this? It doesn't really sound like you know what you are doing. You don't seem to be mindful about it. I get the feeling you are about 14 years old and playing games so you can report stuff to your friends.

Actually, I'm just about 19 and am dead serious.

Actually, I'm just about 19 and am dead serious.
Okay. What's the point of doing this? Why?

Okay. What's the point of doing this? Why?

Well, why not? It's very mysterious and intriguing.

Well, why not? It's very mysterious and intriguing.
That's not a good enough reason. It's mysterious and intriguing to go into my basement without turning on any lights, but for some reason I don't do that. I wonder why not?

That's not a good enough reason. It's mysterious and intriguing to go into my basement without turning on any lights, but for some reason I don't do that. I wonder why not?

Maybe for you, but I like things mysterious.

Maybe for you, but I like things mysterious.
Then that's the wrong reason to do this. Now you are being like Joseph Smith.

Then that's the wrong reason to do this. Now you are being like Joseph Smith.

How is that a wrong reason? Also, I'm not sure who that person is.

How is that a wrong reason? Also, I'm not sure who that person is.
All the more reason to read up on scrying.

Do you even know what it really means and what word it comes from?

All the more reason to read up on scrying.

Do you even know what it really means and what word it comes from?

No, I don't.

No, I don't.
How did you hear about it, find out about it?

I did Lamaze during the birth of my second child and accomplished the same thing as what scrying supposedly does.

How did you hear about it, find out about it?

I did Lamaze during the birth of my second child and accomplished the same thing as what scrying supposedly does.

I was just looking up on ways to contact spirits and it suddenly was a thing that came up.

I was just looking up on ways to contact spirits and it suddenly was a thing that came up.
Why would you want to contact spirits?

Don't mess with what you don't know about.

Why would you want to contact spirits?

Don't mess with what you don't know about.

Everyone wants to know something, and to mess with something is a way to find answers.

Everyone wants to know something, and to mess with something is a way to find answers.
No, the way to find answers is to READ about it first and then know what you are getting into.

No, the way to find answers is to READ about it first and then know what you are getting into.

I'm different. Everyone is. I can find my answers by DOING something, then read more about it.

I'm different. Everyone is. I can find my answers by DOING something, then read more about it.

Your logic does not apply to me.

I'm different. Everyone is. I can find my answers by DOING something, then read more about it.
I'm thinking I won't ask you to put my new bike together.

I'm thinking I won't ask you to put my new bike together.

Trying to insult me or something?

Trying to insult me or something?
Not at all. Just being realistic. You can get yourself into a real mess if you don't know what you are doing.

Not at all. Just being realistic. You can get yourself into a real mess if you don't know what you are doing.

Maybe so. But on this subject, I prefer to learn/do. All I wanted to know was if what I've done was dangerous in what way. I've read online that some said it was. That's not enough to deter me. I'm also still looking for more info as I do the self-stare. Maybe I can be reckless at times. Still, I have my ways of doing things.

All I wanted to know was if what I've done was dangerous in what way.
Yes, it is.You can open up portals that should be kept closed.

Yes, it is.You can open up portals that should be kept closed.

To me, that sounds interesting.

To me, that sounds interesting.
I am going to PM someone you need to talk with.

I am going to PM someone you need to talk with.

You don't think I'm a nut-job, do you?

You don't think I'm a nut-job, do you?
I PMed him. Stay tuned! He's an expert in these paranormal matters.

I PMed him. Stay tuned! He's an expert in these paranormal matters.

Okay, then.

No, nobody thinks you're a nut-job. You're not the only one to dabble with the occult. It's mysterious... it can be exciting at first. I'm not denying that there isn't an actual spirit power behind these things... but the one thing you obviously don't understand is WHAT power is behind them.

As Wondergirl suggested... trying reading up on something first. If you want to know things, like we all do, don't just grab the first thing on the internet that you come across. Playing with the occult is EXACTLY like playing with drugs... sure I know people who have dabbled in them some and walked away from it with nothing but foggy memories... but it's a game of roulette.

I can tell you have a "I'll do what I want attitude" (I'm fairly sure you're a teenager)... and I'm sure that you're attitude towards Christianity is nothing but contempt... however, there is a reason that God forbids this type of activity. Notice that God doesn't deny it's power... He forbids our involvement with it. That is because these are demonic powers you're playing with. The one things that was to be understood about the demonic is that it doesn't operate in outward and obvious evil... MOST of it's operation is in deceit. That is where they grab young people, lure them in with curiosity and get them involved is a world of trouble. I could tell you horror stories of people who simply played with a Ouija board... and to be honest scrying seems to have an even stronger power attached to it.

I know you didn't ask for help in this... but hopefully you will think a little differently about what you are dabbling in. Yes, the occult is ALWAYS dangerous.

Also, to pull together the other post that you have in the paranormal forum... that feeling you have is very likely a spirit. They very often will compel you to dig deeper into occult related things. I'm not saying that you are possessed. They can put things in your mind that aren't actually originating from you.

Also, to pull together the other post that you have in the paranormal forum...that feeling you have is very likely a spirit. They very often will compel you to dig deeper into occult related things. I'm not saying that you are possessed. They can put things in your mind that aren't actually originating from you.

I'm feeling drawn to dig deeper into this matter. I believe in God and all, but I don't really have a religion. From what you've said, I guess I really should do some more research, still, I think I've got a strong will. I'm not saying I can't be broken and overtaken. I feel as though I need to do some confrontation, despite the dangers involved. Even if it's reckless and idiotic.

I feel as though I need to do some confrontation, despite the dangers involved. Even if it's reckless and idiotic.
How old are you? Male?

How old are you? Male?

I'm an 18 year old male.

I feel as though I need to do some confrontation, despite the dangers involved. Even if it's reckless and idiotic.

Confrontation with what? An actual spirit?

Acts 19:13-16

13 Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.

You're a human... no offense, but an inexperienced one at that. Don't confront powers you know nothing about.

It's good you believe in God... but that is the very first step in the right direction, it has nothing to do with where you stand with God.

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

It's not whether you believe in God that makes a difference... it's what you choose to do with that belief. As I said already, there are spirits specifically over the occult and they will draw you in more and more. I know of one individual who could not STOP using his Ouija board... it was a compulsion and an addiction.

If you don't mind me asking... what information are you searching for? Why consult the demonic when they are liars to begin with. They will tell you only enough truth to get you to learn more and more on what they reveal to you. This is not a game.

Confrontation with what? An actual spirit?

Acts 19:13-16

13 Some Jews who went around driving out evil spirits tried to invoke the name of the Lord Jesus over those who were demon-possessed. They would say, “In the name of the Jesus whom Paul preaches, I command you to come out.” 14 Seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, were doing this. 15 One day the evil spirit answered them, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you?” 16 Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.

You're a human...no offense, but an inexperienced one at that. Don't confront powers you know nothing about.

It's good you believe in God...but that is the very first step in the right direction, it has nothing to do with where you stand with God.

James 2:19
You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe—and tremble!

It's not whether you believe in God that makes a difference...it's what you choose to do with that belief. As I said already, there are spirits specifically over the occult and they will draw you in more and more. I know of one individual who could not STOP using his Ouija board...it was a compulsion and an addiction.

If you don't mind me asking...what information are you searching for? Why consult the demonic when they are liars to begin with. They will tell you only enough truth to get you to learn more and more on what they reveal to you. This is not a game.

Even if I hear nothing but malicious lies, all I want are some things answered. Also, yes. I do intend to confront an actual spirit.

So, as an 18 year old you're seriously going to say that you want answers regardless of their truth?

You don't need spirits for that... I can tell you whatever you want. You're going to retire a billioaire. In the next week you'll be offered a job as the new host of the Price Is Right.

Please tell me you see the foolishness of it?

So, as an 18 year old you're seriously going to say that you want answers regardless of their truth?

You dont need spirits for that...i can tell you whatever you want. You're going to retire a billioaire. In the next week youll be offered a job as the new host of the Price Is Right.

Please tell me you see the foolishness of it?

Yes... I have my reasons.

Even if it's reckless and idiotic.

You said it, not me.

Even if I hear nothing but malicious lies, all I want are some things answered. Also, yes. I do intend to confront an actual spirit.

Malicious lies? Mmm well that is all you will encounter following the path you are choosing.

The thing is, you are delving into a realm of deceit. You want to contact a spirit, be prepared to get more then you bargained for.

Yes... I have my reasons.

Can you enlighten me? Im curious what needs to be answered so badly that even a lie is an acceptable answer.

Actually I think you don't want anything specific answered... you simply are curious as to what might happen next.

Malicious lies? Mmm well that is all you will encounter following the path you are choosing.

The thing is, you are delving into a realm of deceit. You want to contact a spirit, be prepared to get more then you bargained for.

Whatever roads I'm crossing, be they dangerous and hazardous, I know that there may be very bad consequences. I still need answers. So I will cross those roads, despite the risks involved.

Can you enlighten me? Im curious what needs to be answered so badly that even a lie is an acceptable answer.

Actually I think you dont want anything specific answered...you simply are curious as to what might happen next.

I just don't want to say. It's not some "dead" person I'm after. It's demons and angels.

@watchful. I guess no one has told you that a scrying mirror is blacked out. You can't see your reflection. So, what you have done before is just wishful thinking, no basis, your over active imagination.

My specialty is psychometry which means I can sense feelings and emotions, at times, from an inaminate object.

Hauntinghelper is very gifted. We have other experts on the paranormal board as well who don't play around. So don't tell us we utter malicious lies.

In seeking spirit contact it will never be an angel you hear from.

@watchful. I guess no one has told you that a scrying mirror is blacked out. You can't see your reflection. So, what you have done before is just wishful thinking, no basis, your over active imagination.

My specialty is psychometry which means I can sense feelings and emotions, at times, from an inaminate object.

Hauntinghelper is very gifted. We have other experts on the paranormal board as well who dont play around. So dont tell us we utter malicious lies.

I know what I've seen, okay? Also, I never said that anyone utters malicious lies. I was speaking of the demons whom I wish to speak with.

In seeking spirit contact it will never be an angel you hear from.

That may be true. I feel that I need to find out on my own.

Whatever roads I'm crossing, be they dangerous and hazardous, I know that there may be very bad consequences. I still need answers. So I will cross those roads, despite the risks involved.

What specific answers do you want? Normally it is a friend, parent or lover who has passed over that someone wants to connect with.

Trust me, you can't utter demons and angels in the same breath. You won't be seeing angels for sure!

What specific answers do you want? Normally it is a friend, parent or lover who has passed over that someone wants to connect with.

Trust me, you can't utter demons and angels in the same breath. You won't be seeing angels for sure!

I really don't want to say.

Its obvious you'll do what you want. Im only trying yo issue words of wisdom and warning to you. Some people have to learn from their mistakes and I pray that at some point in your life you'll come to realize what the spirit world is truly about.

That may be true. I feel that I need to find out on my own.

Have you ever heard the old saying, be careful what you ask for, you may get more then you bargained for, or something similar to that.

I really don't want to say.

Why can't you say. You started this. Be specific in your needs.

Its obvious youll do what you want. Im only trying yo issue words of wisdom and warning to you. Some people have to learn from their mistakes and i pray that at some point in your life youll come to realize what the spirit world is truly about.

Truth is, I'm acting kind of impatient with wanting answers, so that's why I wish to contact angels and demons. Even if I hear some lies with involvement with what's in the questions I want to ask, I'll still accept the answers. That does not mean I'll believe everything. From what I've read and what I've been told, the risks and dangers involved can have some costly consequences.

Have you ever heard the old saying, be careful what you ask for, you may get more then you bargained for, or something similar to that.

Yes I have, and I know.

Hauntinghelper is very gifted. We have other experts on the paranormal board as well who dont play around. So dont tell us we utter malicious lies.
And that's why I called him in. I should have remembered tickle's name too and PMed her (she's too multi-talented for me to remember all her talents).

And that's why I called him in. I should have remembered tickle's name too and PMed her (she's too multi-talented for me to remember all her talents).

I can be reckless and stubborn, I'll admit that. There are some things I really want to know, that's why I've been acting so impatient and looking up ways to make spiritual contact.

I can be reckless and stubborn, I'll admit that. There are some things I really want to know, that's why I've been acting so impatient and looking up ways to make spiritual contact.
What you will be doing will make demonic contact.

Why?

What you will be doing will make demonic contact.

Why?

Not only do I need answers. I also want to find some things out.

Truth is, I'm acting kind of impatient with wanting answers, so that's why I wish to contact angels and demons. Even if I hear some lies with involvement with what's in the questions I want to ask, I'll still accept the answers. That does not mean I'll believe everything. From what I've read and what I've been told, the risks and dangers involved can have some costly consequences.

You may not be concerned about yourself and your own welfare and well-being, but what about those who you love and love and care about you? Do you think a demon/spirit would stop with you? I am guessing that your impatience and 'desires' mean more to you than anything else.

Have you tried asking people who have gained knowledge and wisdom through years of studying and research your questions? People who won't lie to you or endanger your life and well-being or that of you loved ones.

Understand that your attitude is going to be your downfall. You want everything Now, screw everyone and everything else. That is the attitude that demons love to exploit. I am actually wondering if you aren't already being guided by one.

You may not be concerned about yourself and your own welfare and well-being, but what about those who you love and love and care about you? Do you think a demon/spirit would stop with you? I am guessing that your impatience and 'desires' mean more to you than anything else.

Have you tried asking people who have gained knowledge and wisdom through years of studying and research your questions? People who won't lie to you or endanger your life and well-being or that of you loved ones.

Understand that your attitude is going to be your downfall. You want everything Now, screw everyone and everything else. That is the attitude that demons love to exploit. I am actually wondering if you aren't already being guided by one.

I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

Then what is it like?

You are at a fork in the road. You can choose to learn more about what you are thinking about dealing with and how to protect yourself and others or you can continue to 'learn by doing' and hope that you can handle the consequences.

There are people who would be willing to teach you if you were willing to learn. There are very few who can rescue you from any major mistakes you cause.

You remind me of a child playing with fire. I am very concerned that you are going to burn your house down.

Then what is it like?

You are at a fork in the road. You can choose to learn more about what you are thinking about dealing with and how to protect yourself and others or you can continue to 'learn by doing' and hope that you can handle the consequences.

There are people who would be willing to teach you if you were willing to learn. There are very few who can rescue you from any major mistakes you cause.

You remind me of a child playing with fire. I am very concerned that you are going to burn your house down.

I am trying to learn as much as possible.

I am trying to learn as much as possible.

There are just some things a demon or an angel can answer me. I'm just impatient about waiting to die to find out.

After some deep, critical thinking over all of this, I've realized that I need to remain patient and show restraint. I know that patience is a virtue. I don't know what came over me.

Well, you got to be me to truly understand how I feel and what I mean. Oh, and not to be rude, but thank you all for answering. I guess faith is far stronger than impatience and stubbornness.

Can you try some of us? You'd be amazed at what we might know. What is it that only a demonic spirit can answer (again, an angel does not operate by these means)?

You started this thread... so allow us to at least more fully discuss it with you.

I know how what all I've said sounds like. It's not like that at all.

What you described in your original post was simple auto-hypnosis. Self-induced trance states can produce a euphoria often confused with religious ecstasy or epiphany. The challenge is to determine what is from you and what is from outside.

Outside influences have been described throughout history, from Moses to Fei Shui to Augustine to Albertus Magus to Joseph Smith, as operating by different rules than obtain in our current cycle of existence. You and your spirit are operating here; different operations may not be understandable.

So, in your quest for answers you have at least two challenges: 1)determining whether your findings are self-delusion and 2) maintaining your ability to function under the principles of here-and-now.

What are the stakes in this? The chance of knowing the fundamentals of existence and how to use them versus a diet of Jello and Thorazine in a padded room for the rest of this life and still not knowing what comes next.

Choose your path carefully.

What you described in your original post was simple auto-hypnosis. Self-induced trance states can produce a euphoria often confused with religious ecstasy or epiphany. The challenge is to determine what is from you and what is from outside.

Outside influences have been described throughout history, from Moses to Fei Shui to Augustine to Albertus Magus to Joseph Smith, as operating by different rules than obtain in our current cycle of existence. You and your spirit are operating here; different operations may not be understandable.

So, in your quest for answers you have at least two challenges: 1)determining whether your findings are self-delusion and 2) maintaining your ability to function under the principles of here-and-now.

What are the stakes in this? The chance of knowing the fundamentals of existence and how to use them versus a diet of Jello and Thorazine in a padded room for the rest of this life and still not knowing what comes next.

Choose your path carefully.

I'm over wanting something so immediate. I've swam the depths of my mind and questioned myself.

Can you try some of us? You'd be amazed at what we might know. What is it that only a demonic spirit can answer (again, an angel does not operate by these means)?

You started this thread...so allow us to at least more fully discuss it with you.

I'm sorry, but I kind of want some things to remain exclusive.