Hello:

Well, we're certainly NOT cracking down anymore... The Justice Department (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-holder-crime-20130812,0,464603.story) is making an end run around the mandatory sentencing laws. I think it's great.. I think it portends the END of this silly war. You?

excon

I'm OK with a push to not send Spicolli to prison for smoking a joint. Interesting point made in the article...


Advocates of change point to Texas and New York as leaders in the effort to reduce sentences, particularly for lower-level drug crimes. Although California has modified its strict "three strikes" sentencing laws, the state has made fewer changes than many others. The state's prisons currently are under court order to reduce the number of inmates by nearly 10,000 this year to cope with overcrowding.

Hello again, Steve:

Texas didn't come to the table because of sympathy for druggies.. They came because of MONEY. But, that's fine. I don't care WHY the drug war is ending.. Just as long as it ends.

excon

Hello again, Steve:

Texas didn't come to the table because of sympathy for druggies.. They came because of MONEY. But, that's fine. I don't care WHY the drug war is ending.. Just as long as it ends.

excon

Now if the federal government can come to their senses about something over money it doesn't have we might get somewhere.

Judge rules New York police's 'stop and frisk' tactics unconstitutional | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/12/us-usa-newyork-police-idUSBRE97B0FK20130812)

Wonder how those law and order tough on crime liberals will get their loot now? Raise taxes on Wall Street cocaine users? They never get stopped, frisked, or go to jail.

What war?? EVERY SINGLE addict and drug dealer in my hood is thrown in jail one day out the next. Called the revolving door. Stay a month occasionally called 'on vacation'. Fictitious war on drug because the government is the biggest middle man.

Judge rules New York police's 'stop and frisk' tactics unconstitutional | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/12/us-usa-newyork-police-idUSBRE97B0FK20130812)

Wonder how those law and order tough on crime liberals will get their loot now? Raise taxes on Wall Street cocaine users? They never get stopped, frisked, or go to jail.

Been watching too many Michael Douglas movies... There hasn't been a culture of coke use on Wall Street since the 1980s . As for stop and frisk ;the judge put constitutional limits on it. The system will be appropriately modified .

Good day for the Choom Gang
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My question is this... isn't it true that most drug busts of users comes at the state and local levels and that the Feds mostly bust the pushers and the cartels ? So how will Holder's dicates ;even if he's only picking and choosing which Federal laws he enforces ,make any difference ? I think that the total Federal lock up for any crime represents only about 10% of the total prison population... and most of the Federal lock ups aren't there because they puffed on a magic dragon. So what are we talking about ? A couple hundred prisoners ?

Hello again, tom:

So what are we talking about ? A couple hundred prisoners At this juncture, yes... But, WHAT a juncture. It's a SEA CHANGE juncture. No politician over the last 40 years would dare suggest we get softer on crime, yet Holder did, and Rand Paul agreed. The conversation has SHIFTED from lock 'em up, to let's see here.

It may take several years yet for the drug war to wind down, but it's OVER.

Excon

been watching too many Michael Douglas movies... There hasn't been a culture of coke use on Wall Street since the 1980s . As for stop and frisk ;the judge put constitutional limits on it. The system will be appropriately modified .

How do you know since NONE of them get stopped and frisked? They may even have evolved into dealing since they have the loot. How do you know, link please.

That's okay I got one,

Wall Street turns a blind eye to drugs | Blanca Torii (http://blancatorii.wordpress.com/2013/08/07/wall-street-turns-a-blind-eye-to-drugs/)


The word among current employees, psychologists, and counselors, according to an article by Dealbreaker written in the past year, is that drug usage has not dropped. The numbers from the drug usage are results of the tests being announced before they are conducted, resulting in people cheating the system and causing discrepancy in the data. Cocaine stays in the body for only two or three days, according to Web MD.

“Our drug test is not so much a test of whether you actually take drugs as it is an intelligence test to see if you can figure out how long it takes to get traces of the drug out of your system,” said an anonymous hiring manager at a major New York bank, in a conversation with Reuters in 2007.

Rehab facilities, such as Seabrook House in Pennsylvania, have been crammed with Wall Street coke addicts. According to Seabrook Clinical Director William Heran, the Wall Street investors pay an average of $24,000 for a three month rehabilitation program.

The drug war looks more like class war to me. The poor are in the wrong class.

Hello again, tom:
At this juncture, yes... But, WHAT a juncture. It's a SEA CHANGE juncture. No politician over the last 40 years would dare suggest we get softer on crime, yet Holder did, and Rand Paul agreed. The conversation has SHIFTED from lock 'em up, to let's see here.

It may take several years yet for the drug war to wind down, but it's OVER.

excon

Too bad that Holder has no authority to make that call. But if the cause it right ;who cares if the there is an imperial Presidency.

Hello again, tom:

too bad that Holder has no authority to make that call.Sure he does. It's called proprietorial discretion. All prosecutors have it, and he's the HEAD prosecutor.

Excon

Guess it isn't his job to "faithfully execute " the laws of the land .

Just because you don't like him or how he does his job doesn't mean he isn't faithfully executing the law of the land. Congress sure isn't faithfully executing their job either. To even be functional everybody has to work together and correct the glitches, big and small.

Squeal Repeal Defund Block Obstruct just adds to the dysfunction, and creates a big gridlock. But if I wanted to replace elected government with corporate masters, that's how I would do it too.

For the record.. the legislative branch doesn't execute the laws and THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH DOESN'T MAKE THE LAW.

Just because you don't like him or how he does his job doesn't mean he isn't faithfully executing the law of the land. Congress sure isn't faithfully executing their job either. To even be functional everybody has to work together and correct the glitches, big and small.

Squeal Repeal Defund Block Obstruct just adds to the dysfunction, and creates a big gridlock. But if I wanted to replace elected government with corporate masters, that's how I would do it too.

Was that the view you lefties took with Alberto Gonzales? I don't remember it that way.

This guy started by dismissing an obvious case of voter intimidation (called it a "made-up controversy" - a pattern for this admin. He then followed up with Fast & Furious for which he got executive privilege so he wouldn't have to answer for it, he's been spying on reporters, the guy doesn't have any respect for the law.

As for Congress, yeah they suck but it wasn't the House that failed to pass a budget for four years and quite frankly, the less they do the better.

for the record .. the legislative branch doesn't execute the laws and THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH DOESN'T MAKE THE LAW.

Details, details...

On the same not, a DC appeals court just gave Obama a smackdown for refusing to follow the law.


In a rebuke to the Obama administration (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/appeals-court-obama-violating-law-nuke-site-19946852), a federal appeals court ruled Tuesday that the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has been violating federal law by delaying a decision on a proposed nuclear waste dump in Nevada.

By a 2-1 vote, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia ordered the commission to complete the licensing process and approve or reject the Energy Department's application for a never-completed waste storage site at Nevada's Yucca Mountain.

In a sharply worded opinion, the court said the nuclear agency was "simply flouting the law" when it allowed the Obama administration to continue plans to close the proposed waste site 90 miles northwest of Las Vegas. The action goes against a federal law designating Yucca Mountain as the nation's nuclear waste repository.

"The president may not decline to follow a statutory mandate or prohibition simply because of policy objections," Judge Brett M. Kavanaugh wrote in a majority opinion, which was joined Judge A. Raymond Randolph. Chief Judge Merrick B. Garland dissented.

The appeals court said the case has important implications for the separation of powers between the executive and legislative branches of government.

"It is no overstatement to say that our constitutional system of separation of powers would be significantly altered if we were to allow executive and independent agencies to disregard federal law in the manner asserted in this case by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission," Kavanaugh wrote. "The commission is simply defying a law enacted by Congress... without any legal basis."

Let's see, where else might that apply?

Hello again, tom:

guess it isn't his job to "faithfully execute " the laws of the land So, you DON'T believe a prosecutor should be given the discretion to decide whether to prosecute in the very first place, decide which charges to bring, determine whether a defendant should be tried as an adult or a juvenile, how the trial is to be conducted, whether a plea bargain should be negotiated, what the TERMS of the plea bargain should be, what sentence to recommend, and what position he should take on parole and probation??

Now, of course, you think a prosecutor should have that discretion. What you object to is the HEAD prosecutor having it.. I have NO idea why.

Excon

Hello again, tom:
So, you DON'T believe a prosecutor should be given the discretion to prosecute in the very first place, decide which charges to bring, determine whether a defendant should be tried as an adult or a juvenile, how the trial is to be conducted, whether a plea bargain should be negotiated, what the TERMS of the plea bargain should be, what sentence to recommend, and what position he should take on parole and probation????

Now, of course, you think a prosecutor should have that discretion. What you object to is the HEAD prosecutor having it.. I have NO idea why.

excon

This isn't a case of discretion like some cop deciding to not see a pot smoker . This is the Attorney General of the United States deciding that he is going to make law (actually I don't believe for one second that this is his call) .
Now I have no beef with the effort to end mandatory sentencing . In fact I applaud the efforts of Dem Sen.Patrick Leahy of Vermont and Republic Sen. Rand Paul of Kentucky to introduce legislation to give judges the discretion. But I am sick and tired of this emperor and his minions running roughshod over the laws and telling us they will pick which laws are worthy of them doing their sworn duty .

That's not what he did. He outlined how AG's across the country could/should exercise their discretion to address a problem (overcrowding in prisons, and mandatory and unfair sentencing, based on race and income, and the cost of those policies) the congress has yet to address or solve.

Of course less prisoners means less profits for the private prison industry which is the only concern of many on the right.

Of course less prisoners means less profits for the private prison industry which is the only concern of many on the right.

Wow, you can take that profit motive/special interest narrative and apply it to any situation to b*tch about conservatives. Shame you can't bring yourself to have the same intense outrage when it comes from your side.

Open your eyes Tal, your side, with your president leading the way is as bad as anyone in that regard.

Wow, you can take that profit motive/special interest narrative and apply it to any situation to b*tch about conservatives. Shame you can't bring yourself to have the same intense outrage when it comes from your side.

Open your eyes Tal, your side, with your president leading the way is as bad as anyone in that regard.

Most of my family and friends are staunch conservatives, so your outrage, and squeal points are nothing new. Open your eyes why don't you and recognize everyone is not a stanch conservative.

You can do that without throwing rocks can't you? No? Some of my relatives can't either. Excuse me while I go collect some more right wing rocks to chunk back at you! :D.

Most of my family and friends are staunch conservatives, so your outrage, and squeal points are nothing new. Open your eyes why don't you and recognize everyone is not a stanch conservative.

I already recognize and respect that, when will you realize not every greedy rich guy and politician is not a "staunch conservative?"


You can do that without throwing rocks can't you? No? Some of my relatives can't either. Excuse me while I go collect some more right wing rocks to chunk back at you! :D.

He says while throwing rocks...

I already recognize and respect that, when will you realize not every greedy rich guy and politician is not a "staunch conservative?"

No every greedy rich guy has one objective and he will support which ever politician will assist him to achieve his objective




He says while throwing rocks...

Scientists are working on genetically altering Cannibis to induce irreversable impotence in human users.

Scientists are working on genetically altering Cannibis to induce irreversable impotence in human users.

Hasn't the idea of breeding them out been tried before, if your idea gets up your nation will disappear in a generation. Who thinks up these bad ideas?

hasn't the idea of breeding them out been tried before, if your idea gets up your nation will disappear in a generation. Who thinks up these bad ideas?

We weed out the weak ones... the Strong will take over... and everyone doesn't rely on pot... alcohol or some other drug to get through life. There will be plenty that remain.

Yes but many of your youth experiment so anyone who uses it falls in the trap, when the population falls it creates problems look at Detroit as an example. If I understand you correctly you want a small strong population with all those you consider weak exterminated, now where have I heard these concepts before? Was that Nazi Germany perhaps?

I remember you tried prohibition unsuccessfully that should have taught you something about behaviour and the general weakness of the human condition

. If I understand you correctly you want a small strong population with all those you consider weak exterminated, now where have I heard these concepts before? Was that Nazi Germany perhaps?

And before that the eugenics movement came out of the American progressive movement and the Harvard / Ivy League elites ,with the likes of Charles B. Davenport and Harry Laughlin ( he authored the 'Model Sterilization Law' that was adopted in many states. In 1936, the Nazis honored him by awarding him an honorary doctorate from Heidelberg University).Eugenics was wholly compatible with the progressive era's faith in science, the future, the regulatory potential of the state, and human perfectibility.It attracted such notable lefties as Emma Goldman, NAACP founder W.E.B. Dubois, H.G. Wells, John Maynard Keynes, George Bernard Shaw, World Wildlife Fund founder Julian Huxley, SCOTUS justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, and Planned Parenthood founder Margaret Sanger.
Here is a quote from Justice Holmes...
It is better for all the world if, instead of waiting to execute degenerate offspring for the crime or to let them starve for their imbecility, society can prevent those who are manifestly unfit from continuing their kind.... Three generations of imbeciles are enough.”
Over 60,000 Americans were sterilized long before the Nazis .Of particular note was Margaret Sanger who is now celebrated by the left . She added a racist tone to her advocacy . She set up clinics specifically with the goal of controlling black "breeding " (Negro Project) . Here is a quote that sums up this policy
“The mass of ignorant Negroes still breed carelessly and disastrously, so that the increase among Negroes, even more than the increase among whites, is from that part of the population least intelligent and fit, and least able to rear their children properly.”
Planned Parenthood lives on as a tribute to her life's work and the American eugenics movement's legacy is the 50 million + American babies legally snuffed .

Yes but many of your youth experiment so anyone who uses it falls in the trap, when the population falls it creates problems look at Detroit as an example. If I understand you correctly you want a small strong population with all those you consider weak exterminated, now where have I heard these concepts before? Was that Nazi Germany perhaps?

I remember you tried prohibition unsuccessfully that should have taught you something about behaviour and the general weakness of the human condition

Mao for all his numerous faults... had a very effective anti-drug program...

One bullet to the head... and bill their families for thet bullet.

Hello smoothy:

One bullet to the head... and bill their families for thet bullet.I'll bet there's no pot heads in North Korea either... A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for?? I think so.

Excon

A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for?? It seems to be that - he wants bigger government overseeing everything the people do.

Hello again,

Now, I don't know about you, but when a potential Republican presidential candidate APPROVED pot for CHILDREN, the drug war is over..

Chris Christie approves medical marijuana for children (http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2013/0816/Chris-Christie-approves-medical-marijuana-for-children-conditionally-video)– conditionally.

excon

I wonder what other prescriptions get approved through executive action. I thought the FDA controlled the approval process.

Cristie is in the middle of a mental breakdown.

Hello smoothy:
I'll bet there's no pot heads in North Korea either.... A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for??? I think so.

excon

Actually the drug problem in N Korea is Crystal-Meth
North Korea Grapples With Crystal Meth Epidemic - Korea Real Time - WSJ (http://blogs.wsj.com/korearealtime/2013/08/20/north-korea-grapples-with-crystal-meth-epidemic/)

It seems to be that - he wants bigger government overseeing everything the people do.

Are you still ranting about things you don't have a clue about?

Hello smoothy:
I'll bet there's no pot heads in North Korea either.... A police state works.. Is THAT what you're advocating for??? I think so.

excon

I think habitual drunks should be lumped in with them as well. Since such a large percentage of crime is committed under the influence of something other than Mountain Dew and Gummi Bears.

Cristie is in the middle of a mental breakdown.
I can see why you would say that given his stance:

In his decision announced Friday, Christie asserted that “parents, and not government regulators, are best suited to decide how to care for their children.”

I thought the FDA controlled the approval process.Hello again, tom:

Which came first? The DEA saying pot has NO medical benefits, or a study by the FDA to determine whether that's the truth?? I'll give you a hint. It was the DEA. So, as long as pot is classified a schedule 1 narcotic, with NO KNOWN medical benefits, the FDA can't even study it.

Now, while this head in the sand methodology of approving drugs may be attractive to YOU, most of us think it's stupid..

I'm a long term pot user. Anecdotally, I always knew that it had SOME medical benefits for SOME people. What I DIDN'T know is that it COULD have MIRACULOUS benefits for a LOT of people. So, as much as the DEA doesn't like it, pot IS being studied, and the findings are DRAMATIC.

I watched a TV special about how Sanja Gupta, once a fierce drug warrior, started being a doctor again. Long story short, there was a set of twins - one normal, and the other had seizures. The parents tried EVERY legal drug on the market for the sick little girl. Nothing worked. The child was on the verge of death, when she got a tincture of the RIGHT kind of pot placed under her tongue, and the seizures stopped.. The results were MIRACULOUS. I did NOT know pot could do that.

They say that pot can cure cancer. I believe it. Wouldn't you like to know? If you leave it to the DEA/FDA, you'll NEVER know. Maybe YOU'LL get cancer and COULD have been cured IF we didn't have this silly drug war.

excon

Hello again, tom:

Which came first? The DEA saying pot has NO medical benefits, or a study by the FDA to determine whether that's the truth??? I'll give you a hint. It was the DEA. So, as long as pot is classified a schedule 1 narcotic, with NO KNOWN medical benefits, the FDA can't even study it.

Now, while this head in the sand methodology of approving drugs may be attractive to YOU, most of us think it's stupid..

I'm a long term pot user. Anecdotally, I always knew that it had SOME medical benefits for SOME people. What I DIDN'T know is that it COULD have MIRACULOUS benefits for a LOT of people. So, as much as the DEA doesn't like it, pot IS being studied, and the findings are DRAMATIC.

I watched a TV special about how Sanja Gupta, once a fierce drug warrior, started being a doctor again. Long story short, there was a set of twins - one normal, and the other had seizures. The parents tried EVERY legal drug on the market for the sick little girl. Nothing worked. The child was on the verge of death, when she got a tincture of the RIGHT kind of pot placed under her tongue, and the seizures stopped.. The results were MIRACULOUS. I did NOT know pot could do that.

They say that pot can cure cancer. I believe it. Wouldn't you like to know? If you leave it to the DEA/FDA, you'll NEVER know. Maybe YOU'LL get cancer and COULD have been cured IF we didn't have this silly drug war.

excon

I'm just wondering what other prescription drug gets it's approval process by executive action .I completely understand your point about clinical testing . I'm in an industry that has many products that get similar road blocks ,but have lot's of ancedotal evidence of effectiveness.

Good luck with that Ex we know pot has benefits for pain relief, it's the addictive properties that are the problem particularly with the new strains

It is as simple as reclassifying it out of the same thing as heroin, and cocaine. And burning all the copies of Reefer Madness.

good luck with that Ex we know pot has benefits for pain relief, it's the addictive properties that are the problem particularly with the new strains

You mean like the addictive properties of gambling, alcohol, and sex?

There are many things that have harmfull addictive properties, some are regulated and some should be. Every time you try to regulate something you create a monster because we live in an imperfect world and people don't respond the way you would like them to. Right now narcotics are at the head of the list and yes alcohol and gambling should be restricted so should video games and sex is already regulated in various ways, but we also need to tackle sugar, caffine, speed, the list goes on

The issue is should people go to jail for smoking a joint, while we have this great debate? I don't think so.

Hello again, clete:

yes alcohol and gambling should be restricted so should video games and sex is already regulated in various ways, but we also need to tackle sugar, caffine, speed, the list goes onSo, not only is the drug war GOOD, we need to add a few things to it. DUDE!

Excon

It is as simple as reclassifying it out of the same thing as heroin, and cocaine. And burning all the copies of Reefer Madness.

No it's not . There is a specific process for NDA s All prescription drugs go through it . But with medical marijuana this process gets violated . I'm just wondering what other drugs would you approve of bypassing this approval process . I though for the left that the regulatory process was there for public safety .

Hello again, tom:

But with medical marijuana this process gets violated .It gets violated because the government is the STUMBLING block to progress. When the government finds itself at odds with the people, the PEOPLE win - so far anyway.

That's as it should be.

Excon

The goal is not going to jail for being a pot head and reclassification does that. We can debate everything else in the meantime. What part of not going to jail are you confused about because that's my priority.

When DEA, and FDA catch up, cool, but in the meantime... fire it up!!

I can see why you would say that given his stance:

Not just his 'stance" on that alone..but his general "Stance" on everything.

Hello again, tom:
It gets violated because the government is the STUMBLING block to progress. When the government finds itself at odds with the people, the PEOPLE win - so far anyway.

That's as it should be.

excon

Oh if only that was the attitude to the rest of the Leviathan !

but his general "Stance" on everything.Oops, I think you are confusing him with this fine Republican: Larry Craig scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal)

Oops, I think you are confusing him with this fine Republican: Larry Craig scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Craig_scandal)

No... different fellow... Didn't think much of him either.

Hello again,

Yesterday, Holder said the Justice Department won't challenge state laws that legalize marijuana and will focus federal enforcement on serious trafficking cases and keeping the drug away from children.

Are the floodgates open?

excon

Maybe in your state, but not in mine, not even a trickle here.

I guess Eric Holder has decided he is above the courts and entire Legislative branch of the US Government...

I'm curious where he thinks he gets that kind of authority from?

Maybe in your state, but not in mine, not even a trickle here.

It all flows down I-40 right past my house.

Hello again, smoothy:

I'm curious where he thinks he gets that kind of authority?It's called prosecutorial discretion.. Prosecutors do it ALL the time, from deciding WHETHER to charge, WHICH charges to bring, whether a plea should be negotiated, and/or how much time should be recommend...

Cops on the street do it ALL the time when they decide WHICH ticket to write, or whether one should be written at all. I'll bet LOTS of local cops have discarded marijuana they found on somebody instead of charging them...

Holder is the TOP cop in the land. Why would you think EVERYBODY under him has that authority, but he doesn't??

Makes NO sense to me.. Of course, I don't read Drudge or WND.

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:
It's called prosecutorial discretion.. Prosecutors do it ALL the time, from deciding WHETHER to charge, WHICH charges to bring, whether a plea should be negotiated, and/or how much time should be recommend...

Cops on the street do it ALL the time when they decide WHICH ticket to write, or whether one should be written at all. I'll bet LOTS of local cops have discarded marijuana they found on somebody instead of charging them...

Holder is the TOP cop in the land. Why would you think EVERYBODY under him has that authority, but he doesn't???

Makes NO sense to me.. Of course, I don't read Drudge or WND.

excon

Naw... you just don't get to declare a broad class of laws null and void by decree... if you don't like them you get them repealed... Eric Holder isn't a lawmaker... and he isn't even capable of doing his job enforcing them...


After all he decided he was entitled to arm the Mexican drug cartels... we haven't forgotten about that... and we won't until justicve is served... Obama can't protect him forever... and Obama can't pardon him for a crime he has yet to be charged with.

People still read Drudge?

The biggest impact on Holders policy changes is that it will allow the banks to work with pot shops and now Ex can use his credit card to buy dope. Which is a paper trail that can be followed. Be cautious Ex, Obama and Holder won't be there forever despite the wing nuts saying he will.

Another caveat to this is strictly enforced regulations. But I don't know how driving under the influence of pot is going to play out.

The biggest impact on Holders policy changes is that it will allow the banks to work with pot shops and now Ex can use his credit card to buy dope. Which is a paper trail that can be followed. Be cautious Ex, Obama and Holder won't be there forever despite the wing nuts saying he will.

Another caveat to this is strictly enforced regulations. But I don't know how driving under the influence of pot is going to play out.


YOU can be and many are charged with Driving under the influence... even with prescription drugs... if they decide it imparied your judgement and contributed to an accident... even legal prescribed drugs will get you in serious trouble.

It just doesn't make the news as often as a drunk will.

Hello again, tal:

Another caveat to this is strictly enforced regulations. But I don't know how driving under the influence of pot is going to play out.My morning paper said that the INTENT of the state is to WIPE OUT the black market... But, with the amount of taxes they're levying, it's clear that they want to be dope DEALERS too.

If they REALLY wanted to undercut the black market, they'd sell it for LESS than you could buy it from your connection... But, they want to make the scratch too.

The driving while loaded is going to be a problem. The ONLY way to convict somebody of it, is to draw blood, and the cop on the street can't DO that. Would it be legal for a cop to KEEP somebody there while a medical team was dispatched? ARE there enough mobile medical teams to cover the state? How much would these on the spot medical teams cost? Does a warrant have to be obtained before they can draw blood?

In my view, the law was written to pass - NOT to work.

Excon

There is no legal standard for what's allowed in your system, and to safely operate a motor vehicle, but you can be taken to jail where a guy with a needle is waiting for you with a warrant from a "friendly" judge.

Trust me wingers have no problem inventing ways to get around the law they don't like.

Voting rights, gun control, abortion, public education, you name it. Hell they can make a big deal over a wedding cake. I have seen them do it. Many, many, many times. Watch your back, CYA.

There is no legal standard for what's allowed in your system, and to safely operate a motor vehicle, but you can be taken to jail where a guy with a needle is waiting for you with a warrant from a "friendly" judge.

Trust me wingers have no problem inventing ways to get around the law they don't like.

Again, the irony... have you paid any attention to what the administration has been doing?

I have watched many administrations and how they do things. I have watched how the right has done things too. The irony I see is how you deny it.

I have watched many administrations and how they do things. I have watched how the right has done things too. The irony I see is how you deny it.

You crack me up. You don't even need us here my friend, it's easy to win an argument when you cover both sides of it all by yourself.

Hello again,
I Am Here To Ask (http://www.forbes.com/sites/jacobsullum/2013/09/18/rand-paul-i-am-here-to-ask-that-we-begin-the-end-of-mandatory-minimum-sentencing/) That We Begin The End Of Mandatory Minimum Sentencing
Would you listen to this libtard? He quotes the ACLU for crying out loud. He must be a commie.

If I told you that one out of three African-American males is [prohibited] by law from voting, you might think I was talking about Jim Crow, 50 years ago. Yet today a third of African-American males are still prevented from voting because of the war on drugs. The war on drugs has disproportionately affected young black males. The ACLU reports that blacks are four to five times more likely to be convicted for drug possession, although surveys indicate that blacks and whites use drugs at about the same rate. The majority of illegal drug users and dealers nationwide are white, but three-fourths of the people in prison for drug offenses are African American or Latino.OMG! This guy must work for Al Sharpton. Why doesn't he understand, what YOU understand about black people??

But wait... It's Rand Paul, the LEADING GOP candidate for president of the United States. OMG! He sounds exactly like ME.

Excon

Exactly where did the Justice department get the constitutional right to arbitarily write its own laws?

SO Obama really IS a dictator after all... and the Congress and Senate have no power?

Hello again, smoothy:

Exactly where did the Justice department get the constitutional right to arbitarily write its own laws?I thought you FOR ONLY prosecuting dealers and NOT consumers... Do you want me to find the thread?

That's NOT federal law. Federal law says, that if you POSSESS it, you should be TRIED for it. Why do you think prosecutors should violate federal law to meet YOUR standards? Apparently, you think they DO have the right to change federal law, as long as they do it YOUR WAY.

We've had this discussion before.. You didn't get your hypocrisy then, and I'm sure you'll miss it this time too. But, that's NOT going to stop me from pointing it out.

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:
I thought you FOR ONLY prosecuting dealers and NOT consumers... Do you want me to find the thread?

That's NOT federal law. Federal law says, that if you POSSESS it, you should be TRIED for it. Why do you think prosecutors should violate federal law to meet YOUR standards?? Apparently, you think they DO have the right to change federal law, as long as they do it YOUR WAY.

We've had this discussion before.. You didn't get your hypocrisy then, and I'm sure you'll miss it this time too. But, that's NOT gonna stop me from pointing it out.

excon

I believe they are obligated to follow the law as its written... and signed.

And if they don't have to... then we can legally ignore Obamacare as well... a law is a law after all... if you can ignore one you can ignore any of them.

Hello again, smoothy:

For a guy who knows EVERYTHING, how come you don't know that EVERY prosecutor on EVERY case, in EVERY courthouse in the land, uses mass amounts of what's called prosecutorial discretion?? Every PLEA agreement is the result of prosecutorial discretion, and 90% of the criminal cases are handled by a plea deal..

Nahhhh.. You know that... You just don't want them to use it on DRUG cases, because for some reason you have a hard on for drugs... Or, you oppose it WITHOUT giving it any thought, simply because Eric Holder is doing it.. That, I suspect is the case.

I guess pleading down a murder charge is cool with you.. I'm done. You're looking silly now.

excon

Do you grasp the concept of what that really is? Apparently not. And apparently a lot of others don't either. Unless of course George Bush was doing it... THEN they would care.

And Eric Holder should be prosecuted for his violations of the law... and he still might be

I bet as many republican think you're a nut as liberals do.

I bet as many republican think your a nut as liberals do.

Bet they don't... and I really don't give a damn what liberals think... they have bigger trouble dealing with reality anyway.

Hello again, smoothy:

For a guy who knows EVERYTHING, how come you don't know that EVERY prosecutor on EVERY case, in EVERY courthouse in the land, uses mass amounts of what's called prosecutorial discretion??? Every PLEA agreement is the result of prosecutorial discretion, and 90% of the criminal cases are handled by a plea deal..

Nahhhh.. You know that... You just don't want them to use it on DRUG cases, because for some reason you have a hard on for drugs... Or, you oppose it WITHOUT giving it any thought, simply because Eric Holder is doing it.. That, I suspect is the case.

I guess pleading down a murder charge is cool with you.. I'm done. You're looking silly now.

excon

You don't gasp the simple concept of what it means... so you go from one extreme to the other.

Hello again, smoothy:

Do you grasp the concept of what that really is? Apparently not.I don't know what you're talking about...

Apparently, you don't think ANY law enforcement official EVER has the right to use discretion. I don't think YOU grasp what that means... Truly. You don't think ANY cop should have the right to decide whether to give a motorist a ticket or not. If he observes a violation, he should give that person a TICKET no matter what...

You think EVERY criminal case should be tried and if found guilty, should be sentenced to the MAX...

Look.. I know you live in a fantasy world... But, even you can't believe any of that. There wouldn't be enough land to build all the prisons you'd need...

Nahhhh... You don't believe it. You ONLY say that because the people you HATE, more than death itself, are FOR it.

Excon

Hello again, smoothy:
I dunno what you're talking about...

Apparently, you don't think ANY law enforcement official EVER has the right to use discretion. I don't think YOU grasp what that means... Truly. You don't think ANY cop should have the right to decide whether to give a motorist a ticket or not. If he observes a violation, he should give that person a TICKET no matter what...

You think EVERY criminal case should be tried and if found guilty, should be sentenced to the MAX...

Look.. I know you live in a fantasy world... But, even you can't believe any of that. There wouldn't be enough land to build all the prisons you'd need...

Nahhhh... You don't believe it. You ONLY say that because the people you HATE, more than death itself, are FOR it.

excon

There is a mountain of difference between ignoring an entire law you don't agree with... and negotiating on how much time someone's going to get for that crime. And I know you are smart enough to see it.

There is a mountain of difference between ignoring an entire law you don't agree with....and negotiating on how much time someones going to get for that crime. And I know you are smart enough to see it.

You are too generous smoothy he is not smart enough to see it, his rabble rousing posts indicate that.

If your politicians were really smart they would do what they need to do and levy huge fines on possession and only send the trafficers to jail. Before you tell me I know this would cause an uplift in petty crime and more offenders going to jail for that but at least they would be going for a real crime. Seems to me you should take a leaf out of the Chinese book and set up reeducation camps where offenders could work off their fines.

Hello again, clete:

Fuk you .

excon

Ex such bad feelings so early in the morning, hey buddy I love you too

Hello again,

I KNEW the war on drugs was outrageous.. But, even I didn't know it was THIS (http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.Unu0IhB77pd)outrageous.. I'm FUMING!
after a traffic stop, law enforcement asked him to step out of the vehicle, he appeared to be clenching his buttocks. Law enforcement thought that was probable cause to suspect that Eckert was hiding narcotics in his anal cavity. While officers detained Eckert, they secured a search warrant from a judge that allowed for an anal cavity search. It goes downhill after that.

Do NOT go to Demming, NM, otherwise known as NORTH KOREA. It's NOT part of any country I want to live in...

excon

Hello again,

I KNEW the war on drugs was outrageous.. But, even I didn't know it was THIS (http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.Unu0IhB77pd)outrageous.. I'm FUMING! It goes downhill after that.

Do NOT go to Demming, NM, otherwise known as NORTH KOREA. It's NOT part of any country I want to live in...

excon

There's no reason to go to Deming, NM anyway but that's freakin' ridiculous..

It's criminal. They gave the wrong guys the enemas.

Hello again,

I KNEW the war on drugs was outrageous.. But, even I didn't know it was THIS (http://www.kob.com/article/stories/S3209305.shtml?cat=500#.Unu0IhB77pd)outrageous.. I'm FUMING! It goes downhill after that.

Do NOT go to Demming, NM, otherwise known as NORTH KOREA. It's NOT part of any country I want to live in...

excon

But ex that is where you do live, a place as BAD as North Korea, a place where the POLICE STATE rules, where citizens are so in fear that they own guns. You think this sort of thing is isolated to some dickwater town in NM, no it existed wherever you put a badge and a gun on some good ole boy and call him a cop