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savyone
Aug 3, 2013, 10:25 PM
If I have a period on the 8th of march. What days can I possibly become pregnant? For the last three months my cycles have been between 25 to 30 days. Also. One place estimated due date 12/19 and another 12/13.

J_9
Aug 3, 2013, 10:34 PM
Dating is all an estimate. 6 days is pretty close and nothing to be concerned about.

Is paternity in question?

savyone
Aug 3, 2013, 10:52 PM
Yes, sex with one man all march and one the 11th of April

Also I want to know how to get the DNA performed through the hospital I deliver. The one in march is denying paternity because it is a girl and for 3 generations only boys in his family. Also he just got a vasectomy February 20th.

My period came on 14th of December, 12th of January, 5th of February, and 8th of march. I took birth control in November and it threw off my cycles which use to be around the first of every month. I appreciate your help.

Alty
Aug 3, 2013, 11:05 PM
Also I want to know how to get the DNA performed through the hospital I deliver. The one in march is denying paternity because it is a girl and for 3 generations only boys in his family. Also he just got a vasectomy February 20th.

He had a vasectomy a month before having sex with you? That means he could very well be the father. A vasectomy isn't instant, it takes time before the man is rendered sterile. When my husband had his vasectomy our doctor told us to use protection for at least 3 months after the procedure. He also asked my husband to come in for testing 3 months after, to make sure he was shooting blanks.

Having a girl means nothing. It doesn't matter if every child born in his family has been a boy since Adam and Eve, you being pregnant with a girl doesn't mean it's definitely not his.

savyone
Aug 3, 2013, 11:10 PM
He had a vasectomy a month before having sex with you? That means he could very well be the father. A vasectomy isn't instant, it takes time before the man is rendered sterile. When my husband had his vasectomy our doctor told us to use protection for at least 3 months after the procedure. He also asked my husband to come in for testing 3 months after, to make sure he was shooting blanks.

Having a girl means nothing. It doesn't matter if every child born in his family has been a boy since Adam and Eve, you being pregnant with a girl doesn't mean it's definitely not his.

He finally tested in May and had no sperm.

Alty
Aug 3, 2013, 11:13 PM
He finally tested in May and had no sperm.

Good for him. You had sex with him in March or April (not sure which guy this is), so a test in May really doesn't mean a lot. He could still be the father.

savyone
Aug 3, 2013, 11:18 PM
Which one is the father?

March guy or April?

Alty
Aug 3, 2013, 11:25 PM
Which one is the father?

Either one. Only a DNA test, after the baby is born, can determine paternity. The dates are too close to even venture a guess, and due date, and ultrasounds, are a best guess, they can be off 2 weeks either way (up to a month). So the only way to figure out who the father is, is a DNA test when baby is born.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:05 AM
Either one. Only a DNA test, after the baby is born, can determine paternity. The dates are too close to even venture a guess, and due date, and ultrasounds, are a best guess, they can be off 2 weeks either way (up to a month). So the only way to figure out who the father is, is a DNA test when baby is born.
Thank you for your help but I was hoping the OB nurse would have giving her educated opinion.

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:07 AM
I'm here. I was just at work last night and very busy.

What Alty said is correct. The dates are too close to call one man or the other the biological father without a DNA test done after the baby is born.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:08 AM
He had a vasectomy a month before having sex with you? That means he could very well be the father. A vasectomy isn't instant, it takes time before the man is rendered sterile. When my husband had his vasectomy our doctor told us to use protection for at least 3 months after the procedure. He also asked my husband to come in for testing 3 months after, to make sure he was shooting blanks.

Having a girl means nothing. It doesn't matter if every child born in his family has been a boy since Adam and Eve, you being pregnant with a girl doesn't mean it's definitely not his.

My question here is more for someone who knows dates and ovulation and which one is dad based on this info I give


I'm here. I was just at work last night and very busy.

What Alty said is correct. The dates are too close to call one man or the other the biological father without a DNA test done after the baby is born.

So having a 50 day cycle is likely with #2. The dates are pretty far apart.

I have to have a DNA, I was just wondering the likliness

Also took a pregnancy test 5 days after last sex on the 11th and tested positive and on the six day ultrasound showed a gestational sac

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:17 AM
Using my gestational wheel (http://www.google.com/search?q=gestational+wheel&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=p1P-UYfoD5OC9gSrvIDYBA&sqi=2&ved=0CEQQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=921), the same one your doctor uses to determine due dates, it appears you conceived somewhere around March 20 to April 10, based solely upon the due dates given to you.

Remember that gestational dating is only a best guess estimate. It is impossible to know exactly when you ovulated and exactly when the sperm met the egg. This is why DNA testing is imperative.

Just a little fun fact... Did you know that twins can actually have two fathers?

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:22 AM
I am in contact with both however, kind of hoping it was the one April 11th

Fr_Chuck
Aug 4, 2013, 06:23 AM
It may be either, the one would have still had sperm at the time of having sex with you,

Conception dates are estimates, and ovulation calendars are not correct, so you were not actually tracking ovulation.

You will have to do DNA test when child is born.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:23 AM
That would be crazy having twins, the ultrasound at 5 mo confirmed previous due date dec 13 and showed a baby girl sucking her thumb. Does the pregnancy test or gestational sac tell anything?

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:24 AM
No, neither the pregnancy test nor the gestational sac will tell you anything as far as paternity is concerned. Paternity is a matter of genetics, thus the DNA test after the birth is required.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:25 AM
Can you get a gestational sac after 6 days post sex?

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:27 AM
No, typically not. But more unusual things have happened.

You owe it to your child to have the DNA test conducted so as to possibly rule out certain genetic disorders as well as knowing which man to go after for child support. When filing child support, if not married at the time of the birth, DNA testing will be required anyway.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:32 AM
Do you file for child support at same time of birth or how do I start the process. BTW one MD told me that it couldn't have a gestational sac of that measure possibly,, but I wanted other opinions,, at 6 days they told me I was 51/2 weeks gestation.

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:36 AM
Remember what I said... Stranger things have happened.

One way I like to describe it in layman's terms is that unless there is a camera in your fallopian tube taking video's, we never know exactly when we ovulate and when the sperm meets the egg.

I delivered my daughter at 35 weeks and the pediatrician told me she was 40 weeks after a test called the New Ballard test was performed.

As for filing for child support, that is done after you leave the hospital through the court system. Whatever you do, do not list a father on the birth certificate after the delivery. That would be falsifying information since you don't know who the father is.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:40 AM
Remember what I said.... Stranger things have happened.

One way I like to describe it in layman's terms is that unless there is a camera in your fallopian tube taking video's, we never know exactly when we ovulate and when the sperm meets the egg.

I delivered my daughter at 35 weeks and the pediatrician told me she was 40 weeks after a test called the New Ballard test was performed.

As for filing for child support, that is done after you leave the hospital through the court system. Whatever you do, do not list a father on the birth certificate after the delivery. That would be falsifying information since you don't know who the father is.

I can put who the father is according to my MD. Just wanted a nurses level of comfort. Obviously a whole gestational sac can't form in 6 days. And the level of certainty is high enough and a DNA to confirm. Just wanted any other factual supporting evidence.

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:42 AM
May I ask why you gave me a disagree (reddie) when I provided you with factual information?

Apparently you have a higher level of medical degree than I do?



I would also like to ask you if you already knew the answer to your question, why did you come here?

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:47 AM
May I ask why you gave me a disagree (reddie) when I provided you with factual information?

Apparently you have a higher level of medical degree than I do?

I replaced it with a valid website as this information given on gestational sac was inaccurate. I choose not to reveal my level of expertise. I came here for help from woman who know dating and cycles well. FYI babies deliver at many different weeks this has nothing to do with menstrual cycles.

Other woman read these post and don't want them to misunderstand the truth. I am a truth seeker and an expert in few areas If I worked in OB, that would be my forte.

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:51 AM
Yes, I know dating and cycles well. I also know that babies deliver at different gestational ages (not weeks). Dating is a best guess, a New Ballard or Dubowitz Screening Test is more accurate than dating per menstruation or intercourse. That is done after the baby is born.

The internet is a dangerous place for medically uneducated people like yourself.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:51 AM
Ok as you do work in OB show me one valid site that provides the possibility of a gestational sac at 6 days post sex?

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:54 AM
I'm not going to take the time to do that right now as you will argue with me like you argue with a brick wall. I've worked 7pm to 7am delivering babies, and I don't have the patience for argumentative people like you.

Like I have repeatedly said...

Stranger things have happened.

I tried to be nice to you, I tried to help you. It appears you don't want and/or need my help.

Good day to you.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 06:54 AM
I am well educated in research and babies are born in weeks measurements as well and they do vary greatly as not all babies develop at the same rate... again this has nothing to do with time of conception and the fact I would like you to reveal the 50 day cycle probability. Thanks for trying to help. Your just not as educated as id imagined.

Your giving up on a tough question that is fine. I appreciate you trying to be nice. Educated material is more appreciated. You enjoy your day too. Didn't mean offense

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 06:57 AM
Nah, you're right. I wasted all that time and money in nursing school for nothing.

No wonder you don't know who the father of your baby is.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 07:01 AM
Nah, you're right. I wasted all that time and money in nursing school for nothing.

No wonder you don't know who the father of your baby is.

Sorry you wasted your money when you know nothing about the gestational sac nor your own area of expertise. You chart the same thing over and over and have no true interest in the woman you serve. I was only interested in information, Unfortunately the MD knows the father is #1 despite my wishes.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 07:04 AM
Please only respond with factual evidence or don't claim you're an expert when really all you do is repeatedly follow the commands of an MD on a daily basis and have done no research aside of this area for probably many years. Nursing school is a big waste of money for those who truelly have no interest in the truth of their expertise.

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 07:05 AM
Yes, ma'am.

**cough cough, groan groan**




the MD knows the father is #1 despite my wishes.

Again, you came here with a question you already knew the answer to. Why ask at all?

Are you always so argumentative? No wonder you can't keep your men straight. No one wants to be with you more than 24 hours with an attitude like that.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 07:11 AM
Ok that is factual, you're getting somewhere now. Who needs men. Babies have been the love of my life.

Tuelly just have a love of learning new things and the only thing I've learned from you and a pet expert is that you can offend people when you know their response is wrong. You'd feel much better if you did know my level of education. Honestly, most nurses know no more than you. :)

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 07:15 AM
Okay, thank you. Good bye.

I'd like to see you handle a post partum hemorrhage. Or even DIC, if you knew what it was without using Google.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 07:15 AM
Only those who take true pride in what they do stand out and really make a difference in the life of others. We all make mistakes and are sinners. Judge not and be not judged.

Hang fluids and blood as ordered

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 07:17 AM
Sorry, I don't subscribe to your so-called religion.

I've made a difference in a good way and have been rewarded for it. You, on the other hand don't even know who the father of your child is. Sinner?

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 07:17 AM
Easy get the crash cart as needed and deliver medication... again... as ordered

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 07:17 AM
Hang fluids and blood as ordered

Wrong!

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 07:20 AM
Of course I don't know the father of the child but what's more important the universe and eternity. I assume your atheist. To each his own but at least I have more factual information. A nurse is only special because she chooses to go above and beyond the level of taking orders and develops knowledge as well as those giving her the orders

You'd want to prevent shock so you would anticipate the need for fluids and possible blood unless there is some magic I don't know about the simplicity of nursing

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 07:23 AM
Nope, not atheist. Guess again.

Yup, I go above and beyond the level of taking orders as my MDs are at home asleep while I work and depend on me to do their jobs.

Oh, I've also been nominated 6 times for a Daisy Award. Go ahead, look that up.

BTW, I work for a Baptist facility.

savyone
Aug 4, 2013, 07:24 AM
Fluids keep the blood pressure from dropping and the blood would be in the case of significant loss as determined by MD

I worked there as well probably ran into you, most yas all the same.. Miami Florida I take it

Ok well I have no clue on religion and lost many of those closest to me. I pray that God takes me to a better place. I am nondenominational and open to many ideas and have my bible from 1985 to comfort me. Assumed your atheist as you are quick to judge.

If your so smart find me anything that states a gestational sac can be detected six days after sex... that you cant. Yes, I already knew the answer but wanted to find out how smart some of the respondents are. Also, I have resuscitated and cpr and action open organ transplant trauma and in Jackson system much more education than Baptist :)

I don't claim my level of expertise as I am here for enjoyment purposes only.

Cat1864
Aug 4, 2013, 07:35 AM
Since the op appears to be wanting arguments instead of advice, this thread is now closed.

Thank you.

J_9
Aug 4, 2013, 07:35 AM
fluids keep the blood pressure from dropping and the blood would be in the case of significant loss as determined by MD

Seriously? A good nurse knows exactly what fluids need to be used. Name me 3 fluids that need to be hung? A good nurse can tell the MD what is necessary only for the MD to agree or disagree. Most of the time the MD agrees with the nurse as the MD is busy diagnosing while the nurse is busy treating.

Darlin' I'm not quick to judge. You were the one to judge me. You came out all guns a blazing. I was only trying to help you.

I don't judge anyone. We all have our own faults, and I understand that, apparently you don't. However, you cut me down and I only defended myself.




.Miami Florida I take it

Never been to Miami. Sorry.