Apparently Krudd is so well know he is now referred to as the Canadian Prime Minister
BBC World News refers to Kevin Rudd as Canadian Prime Minister | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/bbc-world-news-refers-to-kevin-rudd-as-canadian-prime-minister/story-fncynjr2-1226684386523)

All I can say is Canada you are welcome to him. How soon can your take delivery?

You would be lucky if you could arrange an even KRudd for Stephen Harper exchange. Then again we would be lucky for a Harper -emperor swap.

I think sometime in the next two months I might get lucky

As long as the Krudd stays north of us.

As long as the Krudd stays north of us.

Not much chance of that if he gets the chance he will be over there whispering in BO's ear. Perhaps it is good that last time they didn't seem to get on, maybe BO picked him for what he is, someone even more up himself

I'm not sure anyone can get more up himself than Zero.

I'm not sure anyone can get more up himself than Zero.

You haven't met Krudd he has the reputation of being Nero among his associates. A third of the cabinet resigned when he was reinstated. He thinks he is going to singlehandedly win the election. He is a micromanager and never misses a photoop

The emperor does resemble Nero and is good for the photo op moments .But the comparison ends there . The emperor delegates everything and is hands off, even during a crisis like Benghazi.

No Krudd manages everything, he has made two international trips in the first two weeks, reorganised the party, ditched a tax, solved the asylum seeker crisis, reorganised international aid, directed the NSW branch of the party restructuring, appointed several ministers and reorganised the cabinet, turned the political fortunes of the party around... ssssh... the messiah cometh and it's the second coming... ssssh

Make that three international trips in three weeks Krudd turned up in Afghanistan cementing his popularity among the troops and of course the photoop, you would think he was on holiday he had the missus with him

What are the chances of early elections ? The sooner Abbot becomes PM the better .

Krudd is keeping everyone guessing, not before September probably, he's having too much fun and he is trying to put some runs on the board

The only way KRudd has any chance is by coopting opposition policies.

No he has moved to the far right, wrong footing the opposition

no he has moved to the far right, wrong footing the opposition

So he is perpetrating a complete fraud... and the Aussie electorate ;do they not see that ?

I'm sure they do, but of course the poll as ever decieve us into thinking someone will support him

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd's youngest son Marcus joins Labor's digital campaign team | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/prime-minister-kevin-rudd8217s-youngest-son-marcus-joins-labor8217s-digital-campaign-team/story-fnho52ip-1226689100368)

As I said the Krudd is spreading, he is setting the scene for dynasty and now he has brought in some american heavy hitters to practice their whiles here. I'm going to turn my mobile off once the campaign starts and make sure all their missives are caught by my spam filter

The din has settled

What happened? Did a dome fall over Canberra? Suddenly we have a morning where the news is not full of Krudd, the news is not full of asylum seekers and sinking boats, the news is not full of new taxes and opposition initiatives. I know it is poets day but when did the poli's and the media learn this. This isn't Melbourne Cup Day What happened? I want to know because I like it and I would like to see more Krudd free days

Now I know!

Brer rabbit he lay low.

Budget deficit blows out to $30b (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/budget-deficit-blows-out-to-30b-20130802-2r3r1.html)

Yes indeed they laid low before the tidings of comfort and joy, tidings of comfort and joy, it's the banana republic all over again, we are an economy in transition, transition to where I wonder, Only labor could turn a well performing economy into a disaster, only Krudd could make things worse while telling us he is cutting expenditure

And there you have it... the progressive liberal addiction to spending other people's money and placing IOUs on their future.

No This time it is revenue that has declined, curbing the election war chest

Krudd has become the ten dollar man asking voters to support him by sending ten dollars. How absoluntely pathetic. Whining that voters had seen his best and his worst he capped his election announcement by asking for a handout like any cadger in the street. Well we have seen his worst and some of it in the last week so come September 7 Kevin07 will not be Kevin on September 7

Day 1 subsidies to the car industry
Day 2 after hours school care
Polls show lower support for Labor

I await the next spending promise meanwhile even the international media wants to get in on the act, although what they can contribute is mote or is that mute

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/05/world/asia/australia-elections-issues/index.html?hpt=hp_c1

Border and tax and spend... seems there is less difference in our issues than you imagine.

No I don't imagine there are differences excepting in our approach. The whole civilised world has similar problems today, displaced people seeking something, climate change and the stupidity of the solutions and internal problems requiring a solution. On top of this we have the stupidity of the war on terror, a war than can never be won by military means

We have here a nation that from the outside looks like utopia, employment, health care, money, clean streets and yes it is a shinking light in a world of mediocracy but only for a small group of people, too many people and it all sinks into the third world

A very stupid american initiated the war on terror and as a result he destabilised a part of the world that was crap anyway, but we here are facing the consequences of rhe refugee problem and we can only accommodate a few, the rest are your problem and you do nothing where is your call to give you the masses now, MUTE !

No I don't imagine there are differences excepting in our approach. The whole civilised world has similiar problems today, displaced people seeking something, climate change and the stupidity of the solutions and internal problems requiring a solution. on top of this we have the stupidity of the war on terror, a war than can never be won by military means

We have here a nation that from the outside looks like utopia, employment, health care, money, clean streets and yes it is a shinking light in a world of mediocracy but only for a small group of people, too many people and it all sinks into the third world

A very stupid american initiated the war on terror and as a result he destabilised a part of the world that was crap anyway, but we here are facing the consequences of rhe refugee problem and we can only accommodate a few, the rest are your problem and you do nothing where is your call to give you the masses now, MUTE !

You see how wrong you are?! The so called war on terrorism is a war against jihadistan and initiated by them.. This is a war that began long before there was a United States ,and no... unfortunately a military solution may be the ONLY one.

How big of a military would that take, and how long would it take to wipe out those jihadist?

Got me Tal.. in 1939 we never anticipated that we would need a massive military build up to counter an existential threat.

A military solution is not the solution Tom and you know it. How do you find a jihadist, only when he strikes, this recent fiasco where you are closing your embassies at a threat, the terrorists succeeded without a shot, without a bomb, demonstrates that a military solution isn't the answer. The solution lies in lifting the poverty and the disadvantage, in spending that money you waste on your over blown military budget in making a real difference in these centres of jihadism. Pakistan, Egypt. Your military didn't prevent 9/11 in fact it may have been part of the reason. You see you have the same thinking as Bush and he was wrong, the war hasn't been won, what was centred in Afghanistan is now all over the world

And Tom don't think that your support of Israel isn't a big part in this also

the solution lies in lifting the poverty and the disadvantage more liberal . Clichés . The jihadists on 9-11-01 were college educated . The Boston Marathon bombers were not poor or disadvantaged... neither was Major Hassan . The problem is the political ideology spawned by the life and acts of the "Prophet " .

Yes Tom I agree that it ideology, ideology that thrives in disadvantage and poverty. If you see what happens when islamic peoples get into a better society you see the Militantism disappears and moderation takes over. It is not liberal ideology that tells you this it is observation and real life experience. What do you think the people of Pakistan want? I can assure you it isn't war. Do you think the people of Iran want war? The last one they fought devistated a generation.

Yes the jihadists can be educated people but people who are still from marginalised societies. Do you think Egypt a modern state or Pakistan or Libya. Do you think the muslims in Dergestan who fight the Russians live in a modern state? All you have proven is there are hot beds of discontent even among educated people. The prophet lived fourteen hundred years ago but one greater than him gave us the answers two thousand years ago and still we will not heed them. He didn't use weapons and the might of the state, he demonstrated a better way but you think armies will achieve your goals, so did your founding fathers, or did they?

when islamic peoples get into a better society you see the Militantism disappears and moderation takes over sometimes yes sometimes no.


What do you think the people of Pakistan want? I can assure you it isn't war. Do you think the people of Iran want war? The last one they fought devistated a generation.
Having been to Iran I can attest that the people do not want war. Little say do they have in the matter ,and that is the point. There is indoctrination that goes on in any radical totalitarian ideology .

The prophet lived fourteen hundred years ago but one greater than him gave us the answers two thousand years ago and still we will not heed them. He didn't use weapons and the might of the state, he demonstrated a better way but you think armies will achieve your goals, so did your founding fathers, or did they?
Nice try ;but as you well know ,Jesus taught us how to achieve personal salvation. He did not given answers to how a nation state should protect it's people from an existential threat... unless you think we should all be martyrs . As for the founders ,they made it clear that the nation has a right and obligation to defend itself .

Nice try ;but as you well know ,Jesus taught us how to achieve personal salvation. He did not given answers to how a nation state should protect it's people from an existential threat...unless you think we should all be martyrs ..

I think he gave us ample example, he lived under an oppressive regime yet he didn't start a revolt. He was a popular figure in his society and could easily have rallied the mob but he didn't. He could have used the scriptures to justify such a position but he didn't and that contrasts with the Muslim approach. Martyrs, no, but aggressors, no. Lawlessness needs to be dealt with but you avoid the issue regarding what gives rise too much of this lawlessness. States are aggressive, particularly in gaining the benefit of resources without passing the benefits to the population. We have great economic oppression today and it gets worse as multinationals pursue profit and nowhere is this more obvious than in the 10-40 window where the Muslim peoples live

As for the founders ,they made it clear that the nation has a right and obligation to defend itself .

We battle ourselves more than we battle others as no army has invaded us. Yet we send our armies to defend the business interest of our multi nations corporation for their profit, at our expense, and justify it with the BS of helping them. Sure a garment factory in India is welcome income, or a sweat shop in Asia, where they have nothing, sold cheap to working poor here, and across the world, but investors make billion in profits off poor people, and cheap labor.

So let's call it what it is, profits before people and the few marking value for the many. So forget trying to attach nobility to economic hoarding. You have replaced bluebloods for green ones, and taken it to a higher level, but its still the same old world BS!

We battle ourselves more than we battle others as no army has invaded us. Yet we send our armies to defend the business interest of our multi nations corporation for their profit, at our expense, and justify it with the BS of helping them. Sure a garment factory in India is welcome income, or a sweat shop in Asia, where they have nothing, sold cheap to working poor here, and across the world, but investors make billion in profits off poor people, and cheap labor.

So let's call it what it is, profits before people and the few marking value for the many. So forget trying to attach nobility to economic hoarding. You have replaced bluebloods for green ones, and taken it to a higher level, but its still the same old world BS!

Yes a sweat shop deathtrap in Bangladesh profits who? The slave labour or the multinationals who reap the profit for their first world stockholders, we know who the real exploiters are, the 1% who hoard their money and don't give back what they take. This whole rotten system is going to fall over and whan it does there will be a shout of freedom. We are bigger people than this but people like Tom want the profits for their pension funds so they can live high on the hog while doing nothing

as no army has invaded us. Armies don't have to be clothed in uniform . Invasion forces don't have to be either numerous or in an open set battle formation.
The rest of your rant is the same old tied tirade against our economic system.
'We have overthrown capitalism... "We have seized power. We have built up a mighty socialist industry. We have transferred the middle peasants on to the path of socialism. We have already accomplished what is most important from the point of view of construction.
"Not much is left to do; to gain technique, to master science. And when this is achieved, our pace shall become such as we dare not even dream of at present."
(Stalin February 1931 speech to the First All-Union Conference of Leading Personnel of Socialist Industry. )

Armies don't have to be clothed in uniform . Invasion forces don't have to be either numerous or in an open set battle formation.
The rest of your rant is the same old tied tirade against our economic system.
'We have overthrown capitalism....."We have seized power. We have built up a mighty socialist industry. We have transferred the middle peasants on to the path of socialism. We have already accomplished what is most important from the point of view of construction.
"Not much is left to do; to gain technique, to master science. And when this is achieved, our pace shall become such as we dare not even dream of at present."
(Stalin February 1931 speech to the First All-Union Conference of Leading Personnel of Socialist Industry. )


Tom there was no real industry in Russia during this time. It was still largely a peasant dependent society. The speech is a reflection of historicism that existed within that particular period.

Yes Marxism is loaded with historicism. You also correctly note that Communism takes root in agrarian societies and not developed industrial ones .

yes Marxism is loaded with historicism. You also correctly note that Communism takes root in agrarian societies and not developed industrial ones .


So you are safe.

So you are safe.Touché.

Touché.

The biggest threat is what I call political corporatism. Not Marxism, not agrarian communism, but neo/political corporatism. They just don't see it or refuse to see it.

I agree with you. I also don't understand how they don't see it.

Tom can't see it, he is blind, thinking he has found utopia. These corporations don't care about people, they peddle influence and it is a narcotic that the politicians imbibe willingly.

Tom you think your nation is righteous but it is one of the most corrupt places on Earth and made all the worse because the corruption is hidden

The biggest threat is what I call political corporatism. Not Marxism, not agrarian communism, but neo/political corporatism. They just don't see it or refuse to see it.

And in Russia the 'rotten intelligentsia' are now the oligarch billionaires . Our rotten intelligentsia is the progressive class ;especially the lefties who shape and created the system here that you refer to as corporate America.

Conservatives hate corporations? I hate corporations so am I a conservative? Maybe if they trickled down a lot more I would love 'em a lot more.

I must be a conservative as well.

and in Russia the 'rotten intelligentsia' are now the oligarch billionaires . Our rotten intelligentsia is the progressive class ;especially the lefties who shape and created the system here that you refer to as corporate America.

So you say you prefer billionaires to people who want a fair deal

and in Russia the 'rotten intelligentsia' are now the oligarch billionaires . Our rotten intelligentsia is the progressive class ;especially the lefties who shape and created the system here that you refer to as corporate America.

Tom, you still refuse to see it. Political corporatism doesn't care about the left right distinction.The left right distinction is for people like us.

Conservatives hate corporations? I hate corporations so am I a conservative? Maybe if they trickled down a lot more I would love 'em a lot more.

You in particular are in denial . Obamacare would not have passed without the backroom deals with corporations. Only now that the emperor is reneging is it losing support. You can't deny the fact that what you call Big Pharma (Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association ) was a major player in crafting the legislation. The AMA gave it their full support even as their rank and file is being driven out of business.

I often wonder, who is running that place, I expect you do too

It has occurred to me it is the gnomes of New York recently migrated from Zurich

So now the krudd and his minions have discovered magic pudding economics, I wonder how they could so easily identify this new economic system
Chris Bowen ridicules Coalition's promise of company tax cut by 2015 - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-07/chris-bowen-ridicules-coalitions-promise-of/4871410)
Could it be they have been using it for 6 years

Going from 30 per cent to 28.5 per cent and making the appropriate budget cuts would probably be a benefit for your economy.

going from 30 per cent to 28.5 per cent and making the appropriate budget cuts would probably be a benefit for your economy.

Tom I've done the maths it would take a very long time for the average small business to afford another worker. Therefore the reduction just goes into the business owners pocket. What this is about is pandering to the electorate, playing to the crowd and gilding the lily. When we talk about company tax rates we need to talk about effective rates not the posted rate. What I would like to know is how much tax those Chinese businesses who have bought agricultural properties will pay..

Tax isn't an issue in this economy what is an issue is overspending and both parties are guilty of it. They feel they have to make a new promise every day. I'm waiting for the expressways to nowhere and the very fast train which would be useful considering the performance of our airports in recent days. These are the projects that are trotted out in every election, the second Sydney Airport raised its ugly head today, a project I remember fifty years ago when I first became interested in politics. I expect the big announcement that the ayslum seekers policies are working, we have already had the advance press on this

I'm waiting for the expressways to nowhere
What people here call infrastructure investment is actually pork paved over with asphalt.

We don't have infrastructure investment we have the future fund which funds wonderful projects none of us have any idea about, it was a conservative policy embraced by the left.

There are wonderful projects out there to be embraced, Conex, the north west rail line, the high speed rail link and because NSW is a battlegound state I expect them all to have promises of funding

you in particular are in denial . Obamacare would not have passed without the backroom deals with corporations. Only now that the emperor is reneging is it loosing support. You can't deny the fact that what you call Big Pharma (Pharmaceutical Manufacturers Association ) was a major player in crafting the legislation. The AMA gave it their full support even as their rank and file is being driven out of business.


I did a little bit of research. Apparently the current and former CEO's are both Republicans. Although one of them was a former Democrat.

Humm... seems like political corporatism is alive and well.

And if political parties were relevant that would matter. If you haven't guessed yet ,I'm not a Republic.

and if political parties were relevant that would matter. If you haven't guessed yet ,I'm not a Repubic.


They are not relevant. That's the whole idea.

I never said you were a Republican.

. If you haven't guessed yet ,I'm not a Repubic.

Your views as expressed here are strongly republican, you are certainly opposed to democrat policy perhaps your aversion to socialism places you even further right than the republicans.

As far as guessing, I would say I couldn't have guessed you are a democrat anymore than I could have guessed Krudd is Labor

Your views as expressed here are strongly republican
Nope I express conservative views. The Repubics did for a brief time during Reagan . But no longer . They are as big government as the Dems.

Former Queensland premier Peter Beattie will stand in federal seat of Forde in election | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/former-queensland-premier-peter-beattie-will-stand-in-federal-seat-of-forde-in-election/story-fncynjr2-1226693296164)

Krudd is desperate, just as Gillard was desperate, He has Peter Beattie as a candidate in Queensland, a man who destroyed the economy of the state of Queensland and he still has Bob Carr by his side, the man who created the mess in NSW. On what planet do the voters not remember what these men did and Krudd thinks we want another dose. Think again, Krudd because we do not want more of the Krudd that has been served up by Labor

Kevin Rudd accuses Tony Abbott of holding talks with Rupert Murdoch over NBN - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-08/rudd-calls-on-abbott-to-reveal-any-talks-with-murdoch-over-nbn/4872536)

The campaign hots up but the real news is the way Rupert depics Krudd as the bumbling Klink from the WWII comedy Hogans Heroes with Thompson as Hogan the scam artist extraordinaire. There is a not too veiled reference here to Krudd as a Nazi Kamp Kommandant

So who is Sgt Schultz ? KRudd is taking a page from the Obots . They demonize Fox ,a Murdoch network .

Albanese, the new deputy Prime Minister, former party whip and leader of the house, caught drinking with disgraced MP Craig Thomson. This cartoon is as much a reference to him being on the shady side as anything else

It is clear Murdoch has come squarely out against Labor and there local reasons for this, their abortive attempt to attack media ownership and limit the reach of ownership. The local press thinks it is because the NBN challenges cable but the NBN has been a factor for six years, it is not something new. It is interesting he is doing it in the Telegraph, which is a working class tabloid. The Murdoch broadsheet The Australian presents a much more balanced view

Do we really have candidates as dumb as this?
Stephanie Banister Channel Seven Interview, One Nation Candidate Interview (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/when-stephanie-got-her-facts-wrong-one-nation-candidate-makes-gaffe-after-gaffe-in-tv-interview-20130808-2rive.html)

It seems those Sarah Palin types are not confined to the northern climes. With a foot in both mouths this candidate took to the hustings

She would fit in well with the Paleoconsevatives here

So does this mean you are in a Neo-paleolithic era and accept Kopy Kats

No. There are actually very few nativists here. I welcome legal immigration. That has always been a positive for this country. All I ask is that if someone emigrates here ,that they are screened before entry and are eligible to come under the established law. We can debate the details... but until the borders are properly controlled ,this issue will never be solved.

Tom exactly our attitude and we expend resources patrolling the Indian Ocean to enforce our border policy. What I don't get and nor does the illegal immigrant, if you don't respect our laws we don't want you, you cannot make your own rules and wander about wherever you like, this is for your own protection. Eg; if they land in the north they face crocodile, shark, snake, jelly fish, lack of water, lack of habitation, lack of food lack of shelter perhaps even hostile traditional owners who don't have a good attitude towards them, not to mention the real possibility of loss at sea crossing a vast ocean.

Solving the border issue doesn't stop them coming the pull factors are too great, what it does is diminish the numbers who get through. What has to be solved is the reason they leave their homeland in the first place

What I don't get and nor does the illegal immigrant, if you don't respect our laws we don't want you,
Yup and the 1st lawless act is entering the country without permission.

That's right, we don't have an open doors policy, in fact I don't know any country that does but these people have an arrogance that is beyond belief, it seems that once they get outside their own country they think they can do whatever they like. We are fed up with rescuing people from unseaworthy boats and having our courts filled with applications for hearings to overturn immigration department decisions.

I see our government has made an interesting decision on visa fees, quite the reverse of what I would have done, a working visa costs $4,000 and a family parent reconciliation visa $50,000 and yet they think they can rock up in a leaky boat and bypass the process

does this guy ever shut up?

Kevin Rudd breathes fire and brimstone into campaign (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-breathes-fire-and-brimstone-into-campaign-20130821-2sbsz.html)

Tony Abbott has had enough of Krudd's negative approach and let Krudd get under his skin at last nights debate. All we are hearing in this campaign is how Abbott will cut expenditure as the tactics of fear heat up but Abbott is upfront he will cut 12000 jobs by attrition which would be the "jobs for the boys" growth in the public service under Labor

It's always the end of the world when someone dare suggest that government should be reined in.

Yes but unfortunately the tactics seem to be working with Krudd getting a surge in the polls

It's come to this, a key candidate in Australia's Wikileaks Party has resigned, and you got to love the reasoning...


Julian Assange on Thursday took responsibility for the resignation of a key candidate from his WikiLeaks Party running in Australian elections, blaming his focus on Edward Snowden and Bradley Manning.

The fledgling party is in crisis after its number two candidate for the Australian Senate behind Assange, ethicist Leslie Cannold, said she was disillusioned with its lack of transparency and accountability and quit Wednesday.

Read more: Assange blames Manning, Snowden for WikiLeaks Party chaos | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/08/21/assange-blames-manning-snowden-for-wikileaks-party-chaos/#ixzz2cjbkznKk)

I wonder if Assange is a transformer like Manning ?

TNR headline (http://www.newrepublic.com/article/114418/bradley-manning-chelsea-now-wants-hormone-therapy): He Is Not Bradley Manning. She Is Chelsea Manning. Deal With It.

Get ready, the next left's most obviously necessary cause will be forcing the Army to accommodate convicted transformers..


Manning's lawyer, David Coombs, said, "I'm hoping that Fort Leavenworth would do the right thing and provide that. If Fort Leavenworth does not, then I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure that they are forced to do so.”)

I am open minded but for now let me use your name... speechlesstx.

It's come to this, a key candidate in Australia's Wikileaks Party has resigned, and you gotta love the reasoning...

And he has lost more that one. It seems an "administrative mistake" occurred when doing preference deals so that some radical self interested minor parties were preferenced, not to mention the rift in how the party is managed by its hands on leader and everyoneelse who are on the ground. You have to understand these fellows have a snowballs of being elected to anything. If Assange did get up on a sympathy vote he wouldn't carry enough support to get others on his ticket over the line so those votes would help the undesirables to get elected

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-22/assange-blames-party-teething-problems/4904366

I wonder if Assange is a transformer like Manning ?

He is probably a transformer but not into a woman unless you count his idea that he can be elected and someoneelse can take his seat

Perhaps the Krudd will not spread

Poll indicates Kevin Rudd could lose his seat of Griffith (http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/poll-indicates-kevin-rudd-could-lose-his-seat-of-griffith-20130822-2se30.html)

Wouldn't it be ironic Krudd could win an election and loose his seat. When you are a politician you need to look after affairs at home just as much as having "other priorities".

Krudd has shown he has other priorities on other occasions. He could go the way of his old adversary John Howard and loose his seat

memories, memories

Krudd says he remembers Paul Keating, Krudd is not Paul Keating we are well rid of that nasty individual, but he thinks he is the come back kid I think he has dillusional

Sort of K Rude .
Australia's "Mr. Rude" - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toQK5mFVhEk#t=48)

You'll have to better than that we have a fellow here called Rodney Rude but you are rignt Krudd is Krude, he thinks everyone is beneath him. Man, we have to get rid of this guy, consign him to history or Beijing

what's cooking Kevin

Kevin Rudd denies delaying Syria briefing for Annabel Crabb show (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/kevin-rudd-denies-delaying-syria-briefing-for-annabel-crabb-show-20130824-2sj2y.html)

Perhaps he has a recipe for us, probably upside down cake

Well the Krudd is even spreading more but one thing for sure Abbott won the war against women

Australian election: Has 'sexist' Tony Abbott sunk 'gender war'? - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/23/world/asia/australia-election-gender-war-abbott/index.html?hpt=hp_c5)

In the latestpiece of lunacy Indonesia is involving itsself in Australian politics, perhaps they caught the inference

Jakarta hits out at Coalition's 'crazy, unfriendly' boat buyback scheme (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/jakarta-hits-out-at-coalitions-crazy-unfriendly-boat-buyback-scheme-20130826-2slsg.html)

For those for whom this is too suble the inference is that Indonesia, at least at a local level, has been facilitating the people smuggling trade yes it is a mad scheme to upset the market for derelect fishing boats in Indonesia, but maybe not, would you sell your boat to a smuggler if you thought you could get more from an Australian. But this is no more a mad idea than resettling refugees in Papua New Guinea, after all who wants to be on the menu, Long Pig Belongum Kevin Very Tastie

Oh I see ;your 'conservatives ' wage war against women too ?

Fiona Scott is good looking.. So what ? The emperor made similar comments recently about California Attorney General Kamala Harris and that was noted and dismissed after his half- hearted 'apology' (delivered publicly by his 'Bagdad Bob' ,White House Press Secretary Jay Carney .Had a President Romney said something similar there would've been a national outrage ,and they would've brought up his past comment about a 'binder full of women' (when he actually said he would appoint women to his cabinet ) .

Since when is it an insult to say a woman is good looking ? The problem is that the libs want men to be emasculalated metrosexual or transformers .

Isn't it sexist to criticize a man for thinking a woman is good looking?

I don't think it the thinking a woman look good that's the problem, it's how it's expressed that gets you in trouble with most females.

I don't think it the thinking a woman look good that's the problem, it's how it's expressed that gets you in trouble with most females.

Oh I think we've shown over the last couple months it's not the how, it's the who.

Oh I see ;your 'conservatives ' wage war against women too ?

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No, but when you give a woman power you have got a war on your hands

Not sure how that's different than any other time.

Not sure how that's different than any other time.

Referring only to one specific facit of the war where Abbott saw off Gillard

How self absorbed can you get?

http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/kevin-rudd8217s-digital-election-campaign-is-falling-flat/story-fnho52ip-1226705069840

Krudd posts a picture of himself talking to Obama

He's trying to attract the narcissistic Generation Me

He is the narcissistic generation me personified and you know it is not a good look

How self absorbed can you get?

August 2013: Photo of the Day | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/photos-and-video/photogallery/august-2013-photo-day)

The emperor showing his best side
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/imagecache/gallery_img_full/image/image_file/p080813ps-0356.jpg

He also makes a photo op out of anything

be careful what you wish for!

Julia Gillard may have performed better in election campaign than Kevin Rudd, say key Labor Party figures | News.com.au (http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/julia-gillard-may-have-performed-better-in-election-campaign-than-kevin-rudd-say-key-labor-party-figures/story-fnho52ip-1226706050447)

must be a gen-X thing we have lost our attention span and can't keep a leader, make that celebrity, in focus for more than ten seconds. Kevin 07 will not, no way, be KevinonSept7. You can fool some of the people some of the time, you can fool all of the people some of the time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time, we have borrowed a lot from american politics in this campaign we may as well borrow that.

So Labor wants to resurrect the revolving leadership door. Here's a revolving leadership door prediction, Shorten as Leader of the Opposition on September 8

The price of a carbon tax . Lose political power... word to the libs .
Australia is the canary in the coal mine.

Australian gov't faces carbon tax backlash at poll - New York News (http://www.myfoxny.com/Story/23359580/australian-govt-faces-carbon-tax-backlash-at-poll)

Well they may be right but you have to know the bigger picture Labor has been on the nose in all Australian mainland states for years and should not have governed in the last three years and introduced these taxes. Today we will complete the rout and hopefully be rid of them for a generation. An interesting facit of this election is the rise of the right wing minor parties the PUP and the KAP and dozens of others you see it's raining cats and dogs here the result of KRUDD

The dogs are barking

Well we see the end of KRUDD at least for a time but the dogs are barking as PUP might have gained a seat and definitely will have a presence in the Senate, but the dogs have destabilised the swing and Katter on the side of the Kats might actually loose which would be poetic justice as the independents are wiped out in retribution for their turncoat ways

I'll get back to you in a couple days when I decipher what you just wrote.

I'll get back to you in a couple days when I decipher what you just wrote.


I will translate.

The Palmer United Party gained a seat in the lower house and looks like gaining a seat in the Senate. Palmer stood more or less as an independent. His platform was largely the abolition of the carbon tax. No paid political lobbyists and mineral wealth to contribute the welfare of the Australian community.He had other policies as well.

The independents who sided with Labor were voted out or retired because they saw the writing on the wall. The Greens who were largely responsible for the carbon tax still did well in some electorates. How they did overall still remains to be seen.

Let me tell you I just witnessed the Brutus was an honerable man speech or if you like I didn't loose, the opposition won, I didn't loose a seat in Queensland and after all isn't that what matters Krudd was not magnamious in defeat, he said you won't hear from me for a while

I will translate.

The Palmer United Party gained a seat in the lower house and looks like gaining a seat in the Senate. Palmer stood more or less as an independent. His platform was largely the abolition of the carbon tax. No paid political lobbyists and mineral wealth to contribute the the welfare of the Australian community.He had other policies as well.

The independents who sided with Labor were voted out or retired because they saw the writing on the wall. The Greens who were largely responsible for the carbon tax still did well in some electorates. How they did overall still remains to be seen.

Tutt they have less support, the PUP soaked up the protest vote

Some of Palmer's platform sounds reasonable enough that Abbot should make a deal with them and adopt them... the no carbon tax is a no brainer . I would refine his mineral wealth proposal to just cut an annual distribution check to every Aussie from a newly created 'energy royalty investment program' .

Don't be fooled neither of the major parties wanted Palmer he is another of these mavericks that emerge from time to time. Howard tried to embrace Hanson's policies instead of burying her and we still have Hanson (One Nation) contesting elections. Katter is a rogue national who formed his own Party and Palmer is another, Palmer's ascendency is not because of policies, it is because of money, he threw huge amounts of money into his campaign. This is what you get when you have egomaniacs like Krudd as leaders. Campbell Newman in Queensland is another one who's style has spawned this sort of opposition. Queensland is a hot bed for these minor parties and they spill over into the federal arena

Still fringe politics occasionally comes up with a policy worth consideration. The way to coopt the fringes is to usurp their plans and call them your own .

Yes as I said Howard tried that and we still haven't go rid of Hanson. Hanson stands for a red necked ultra right wing approach which basically says give nothing to anyone, you would be right at home in her policies Tom. PUP is playing to populist ideas and has stolen them from the major parties, lower taxes is nothing new to our politics but PUP thinks a mining led recovery in a time of mining decline is the way to go. PUP is a spoiler that grabbed the dissident labor vote and denyied the Libs the landslide victory they deserved, particularly in Queensland. It is that nasty side of american politics we see has been imported here where only money talks

Australia already had its own greedy people so don't blame us for your shortcomings.

Of course we have our own greedy people but they have observed your political system and see the opportunity yours affords to exploit their greed, therefore your tactics were used in this election, we even had students, non citizens, blitzing electorates to ensure a Labor vote, now where did they get that idea from? We had Krudd spending the last afternoon of the campaign tweeting I wonder where he got that idea from?

My condolences on your election results.

Australia liberated from their long national green nightmare.

The buzz on social media is not as happy as you make it out to be. Many residents seem to be embarrassed by the results.

Australia liberated from their long national green nightmare.

I wish it were so but the Greens will hold the balance in the Senate until next June


The buzz on social media is not as happy as you make it out to be. Many residents seem to be embarrassed by the result

Karma you can't satisy everybody I would have liked to see a wipeout but 15 seats is a good result. The archietecs of the last six years have gone. PUP saved them by introducing a third factor in Queensland. That allowed a protest vote with preferences flowing back to Labor. But worse Clive Palmer will be elected with 20% of the vote, I can see the benefit of first past the post. The minor parties are going to be difficult to manage in the Senate, they are a diverse group with no real policies and the system needs reform so this can't happen again. The donkey vote was far too strong and the first slot on the Senate ticket went to a group who could easily be mistaken for a major party and who will gain a seat not on their policies but because of mistaken identity and in fact I think the AEC site was hacked to show a how to vote with them given number one vote, a government must be able to govern, they have a mandate which should not be twarted by minor interests and deceiptfull conduct. In my electorate our Senate ticket had 110 candidates, who could make sense of it when you are only electing six candidates and any mistake invalidates the vote

What we got was about eight senate seats that went to minor parties out of 40 up for election meaning the elected government has a stalemate

Abbott, used a psychiatric report of KRudd to exploit his known mental instabilities lol .

Describing grandiose narcissism as less a psychiatric disease and more a destructive character defect, the document suggested Rudd was held together by one key strut: an absolute conviction of intellectual superiority over everyone else. “Kick out that strut and he will collapse”.
Rudd, the document went on, was vulnerable to any challenge to his self-belief that he was more widely-read, smarter and more knowledgeable than anyone else “on the planet”. Such a condition of grandiose narcissism would make Rudd obsessively paranoid, excessively vindictive – “prepared to wait years to get revenge”.

'Grandiose narcissist': The secret diagnosis that helped bring down Kevin Rudd (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/grandiose-narcissist-the-secret-diagnosis-that-helped-bring-down-kevin-rudd-20130909-2tfum.html)
Sounds like the emperor to me.

The buzz on social media is not as happy as you make it out to be. Many residents seem to be embarrassed by the results.

Let's see, election results or social media? I'll go with election results for a thousand.

That's up for debate:

Australia Elects Libertarian-Leaning Senator (By Accident) - Slashdot (http://politics.slashdot.org/story/13/09/09/0230210/australia-elects-libertarian-leaning-senator-by-accident)

That's up for debate:

Australia Elects Libertarian-Leaning Senator (By Accident) - Slashdot (http://politics.slashdot.org/story/13/09/09/0230210/australia-elects-libertarian-leaning-senator-by-accident)

So, you saying their IQ may be a little lacking?

So, you saying their IQ may be a little lacking?No, that's what you just said.

No, that's what you just said.

Do you really not understand the concept of a question mark?

Yea I do. It doesn't absolve you of putting words in someone's mouth. It's an easy and dishonest way to have a discussion.

Abbott, used a psychiatric report of KRudd to exploit his known mental instabilities lol .

'Grandiose narcissist': The secret diagnosis that helped bring down Kevin Rudd (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/grandiose-narcissist-the-secret-diagnosis-that-helped-bring-down-kevin-rudd-20130909-2tfum.html)
Sounds like the emperor to me.

Yes Krudd had a certain style

Yea I do. It doesn't absolve you of putting words in someone's mouth. It's an easy and dishonest way to have a discussion.

Let us resolve this question mark for you. The IQ of the australians is not lacking, a result like this occurs because we have many new citizens, I'll use that term for want of a better description, for whom english is a second language and they don't understand the nuiances of the system. For them you only vote for one candidate. If you do that here your vote is invalid and in our Senate any man, his dog his cat and his horse can be a candidate and call themselves what ever they wish so there are liberal parties and labor parties a plenty and in this case one of these knongs was elected to the first position on the ballot paper. You long ago devised a system where this couldn't happen and people stay away on polling day by the droves. What we get here is a reflection of the opinion of those who would stay away if they could, politics is a circus

and the band played on"

And what do they play, B/S, B/S they play it night and day

The demise of Krudd is such good copy the media cannot resist the urge to bore us some more, bore holes in our brain that is, with more of this Krudd crap, and Krudd revels in it, never ruling out that like McArthur, he will return

Labor MPs at odds over Kevin Rudd's future (http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/labor-mps-at-odds-over-kevin-rudds-future-20130910-2tgxu.html)

It's a trend !
Norway’s centre-right wins election - FT.com (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/e953b5a4-195b-11e3-83b9-00144feab7de.html)

Yes it's a bell weather season, right is in fashion which means in a little while we can expect a swing to the right in your sphere of influence, since you seem to follow us or visa versa.

I can undertsand that the world doesn't like left wing politics when it goes too far, and the same applies to right wing politics so we cycle through these periods of left and right

Yea I do. It doesn't absolve you of putting words in someone's mouth. It's an easy and dishonest way to have a discussion.

Dude, I'm not the one attributing the win to laziness, ignorance or whatever point you're trying to make, hence the QUESTION.

Speech I just want to say the majority of the country is happy with the result and Tony isn't doing any posing or early photo ops so the media is still talking about Krudd or that other wanker Palmer

I'm not the one attributing the win to laziness, ignoranceNor am I. Read the postings on that site, many are from actual aussies. It's a good discussion.

Nor am I. Read the postings on that site, many are from actual aussies. It's a good discussion.

A discussion based on this (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-09-09/nsw-sends-liberal-democrat-to-senate/4945080) article. Actually, your Slashdot folks attributed it to apathy, laziness, confusion and ignorance and more.

Ok.

Guys after an election campaign lasting three years we got the result we had robbed off us three years ago. No one could suggest anyone was lazy just exhausted and bored

You will be happy to know the Krudd can spread no further. Krudd has fallen on his sword and retired from politics. I know Tom will greet the demise of a socialist with warm fuzzy feelings. There will be no rally from the backbenches, no saviour waiting for the summons.

Watching him as he delivered his farewell speech, I couldn't help noticing what a tired, bitter person he appeared. Of course all spoke well of him, just as Anthony did for Cesear