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excon
Jun 1, 2013, 09:53 AM
Hello:

Is he going to be our next president?

excon

tomder55
Jun 1, 2013, 11:52 AM
The Chis Matthews and Morning Schmo's of the world are certainly fearful of that prospect. Now that they've taken out Michelle Bachmann ,Cruz is the primary target in their cross hairs. Matthews ;frothing at the mouth ,called Cruz the unsmiling contemptuous face of the wild, nasty hard right fringe

I expect one of the Republican Governors will survive the circular firing squad primary process that the Repubics have constructed .

earl237
Jun 2, 2013, 03:57 PM
Cruz was born in Canada, so I don't think that he can legally run for president.

tomder55
Jun 2, 2013, 04:37 PM
He's a natural born American born overseas by an American mother . Guess it is time for me to dig up my post about that when I was taking on "birthers" who questioned Obama's eligibility

Ask Me Help Desk - View Single Post - Ineligible Candidate (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/1349896-post3.html)


Currently, Title 8 of the U.S. Code Sec 1401 defines the following as people who are "citizens of the United States at birth":
Anyone born inside the United States
Any Indian or Eskimo born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. Does not impair the person's status as a citizen of the tribe
Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S. as long as one parent has lived in the U.S.
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. For at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. National
Any one born in a U.S. Possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. For at least one year
Any one found in the U.S. Under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21
Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. Who lived in the U.S. For at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) A final, historical condition: a person born before 5/24/1934 of an alien father and a U.S. Citizen mother who has lived in the U.S.
So even if the evidence shows that he was born outside the US and his Hawaii birth certificate was a fraud ;he would still be qualified .

earl237
Jun 2, 2013, 05:00 PM
Maybe that's why he has such extreme views, he's ashamed of being born in Canada, so he's overcompensating by parroting stupid tea party ideas to reassure the other nutbars that he's really one of them.

tomder55
Jun 2, 2013, 06:40 PM
Were you born in Canada ?

earl237
Jun 2, 2013, 07:09 PM
were you born in Canada ?

Yes I was, but my family was from Germany, so culturally, I'm more German than Canadian. That's why I think that Conservative parties and politicians in Canada, Europe and Australia are more sensible than the Republicans. They concentrate on important issues like the economy and aren't obsessed with gays, abortion, birth control, guns and religion. They also realize that taxes are necessary and don't have this ridiculous "no new taxes ever" view that the tea party has.

tomder55
Jun 3, 2013, 04:54 AM
So in other words ;their premise is not that much different than the social democrats aka Fabians . The Conservatives there just think that they are better managers of the nanny-state .

excon
Jun 3, 2013, 05:32 AM
Hello again, tom:

To be clear, I DESPISE Ted Cruz's politics. But, he is anything BUT an idiot.

excon

talaniman
Jun 3, 2013, 05:41 AM
It's a tough job to replace Michelle Bachmann on the loony fringe but somebody has to do it! Cruz is qualified.

NeedKarma
Jun 3, 2013, 06:43 AM
Now that they've taken out Michelle BachmannShe's out because her supporters stopped giving her money.

speechlesstx
Jun 3, 2013, 07:06 AM
Its a tough job to replace Michelle Bachmann on the loony fringe but somebody has to do it! Cruz is qualified.

Besides being well-spoken, extremely intelligent and qualified Cruz has balls, something sorely lacking in DC. I find him to be a breath of fresh air, but give him your best shot.

excon
Jun 3, 2013, 07:18 AM
Hello again, Steve:

I find him to be a breath of fresh air, but give him your best shot.Me too. I don't know about the qualified part, but I agree with you about the rest. He's NOT hiding, is he?

Excon

speechlesstx
Jun 3, 2013, 07:30 AM
Hello again, Steve:
Me too. I dunno about the qualified part, but I agree with you about the rest. He's NOT hiding, is he?

excon

Nope, he's taking the entrenched RINOS head-on and I love it.

excon
Sep 26, 2013, 06:06 AM
Hello again, Steve:
Nope, he's taking the entrenched RINOS head-on and I love it.He's doing that exact thing..

The problem is, that he's shoving Tea Party House Republicans to adopt an even RIGHTER WING position than they ordinarily would, or be called a RINO by Cruz. Hannity is already doing that.

They are NOW cornered into shutting down the government OR being primaryied. However, IF they shut down the government, they'll be blamed just like they were in '95, EVEN though they (you) SAY that Obama will be blamed...

If they pursue this suicidal position, I predict the House will CHANGE hands in 2014, gerrymandering notwithstanding.

Go, Cruz, go!

Excon

paraclete
Sep 26, 2013, 06:16 AM
What you have here is a person whose sole claim to fame is he can bore everyone for longer than anyoneelse

tomder55
Sep 26, 2013, 06:20 AM
I'm for David Vitter's plan . Eliminate all the exemptions. If Obamacare is so good then everyone in the country should be inflicted with it.
But Cruz was great this week . Not all battles can be won... but that doesn't mean they aren't worth fighting.
There will be no shut down.. But the Dems are going to take a hit over the CR . They will get a CR with sequester spending levels intact.
The real battle to come, to see if the Repubics have any spine ,is the debt ceiling . If the Repubics can't take a stand against unsustainable national debt then they have no business being an opposition party to the Dems .
As far as being primaried... after his disgraceful collaboration with Reid ,John McCain should be primaried out of office.

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 06:26 AM
Hello again, Steve:He's doing that exact thing..

The problem is, that he's shoving Tea Party House Republicans to adopt an even RIGHTER WING position than they ordinarily would, or be called a RINO by Cruz. Hannity is already doing that.

They are NOW cornered into shutting down the government OR being primaryied. However, IF they shut down the government, they'll be blamed just like they were in '95, EVEN though they (you) SAY that Obama will be blamed...

If they pursue this suicidal position, I predict the House will CHANGE hands in 2014, gerrymandering notwithstanding.

Go, Cruz, go!

excon

Actually polls show Congress and Obama will equally share the blame for any shutdown, and I predict that in spite of the media's frothing at the mouth, RINO's like McCain giving the Democrat response to his efforts, and childish MoveOn petitions to rescind his Harvard diploma (http://twitchy.com/2013/09/25/petition-to-rescind-ted-cruzs-harvard-degree-deleted-after-mock-fest/), Cruz will only get more popular. He's a sharp cookie

Wondergirl
Sep 26, 2013, 06:28 AM
I want to know if Cruz took a potty break during those 21 hours.

tomder55
Sep 26, 2013, 06:35 AM
He stood up the whole 21 hrs . If he took a potty break it was in adult diapers .

excon
Sep 26, 2013, 06:36 AM
Hello again,

News ALERT!

Harry Reid is going to let the Republicans EXPLODE on their own accord. He sent the bill back to the House a day earlier than expected so that Boehner has time to send a bill back that funds the ENTIRE government...

They're going to kick the can down the road to the debt limit debate, where the ramifications of a default are MUCH greater than a simple government shutdown...

I predict that you'll get your way. The government WILL default.

excon

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 06:38 AM
I don't know if Cruz took a potty break but I have to laugh at the ridiculous attacks on him. Politico felt some need to note the 'experts' say Dr. Seuss would have loathed Cruz (http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/dr-seuss-ted-cruz-97350.html). Of course reading Dr. Seuss to his daughters from the Senate floor was sweet and adorable and we can't have that image of him can we?

Sure we can... I give you the Cruz girls watching their daddy read to them (https://twitter.com/jasonsjohnson/status/382668484695453696) on TV.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BU-C9ZCCcAA-p-x.jpg

talaniman
Sep 26, 2013, 06:46 AM
I'm for David Vitter's plan . Eliminate all the exemptions. If Obamacare is so good then everyone in the country should be inflicted with it.
But Cruz was great this week . Not all battles can be won ....but that doesn't mean they aren't worth fighting.
There will be no shut down .. But the Dems are going to take a hit over the CR . They will get a CR with sequester spending levels intact.
The real battle to come, to see if the Repubics have any spine ,is the debt ceiling . If the Repubics can't take a stand against unsustainable national debt then they have no business being an opposition party to the Dems .
As far as being primaried ..... after his disgraceful collaboration with Reid ,John McCain should be primaried out of office.

I agree and many on the left do too, UNIVERSAL Health Care!! Wish you had of said that before this whole thing started.

And since McCain just won his seat again, being primaried is a pipe dream.

Wondergirl
Sep 26, 2013, 06:49 AM
the Cruz girls watching their daddy read to them
Who are those little girls? In 2012, The Cruzes had a three-year-old daughter, Caroline, and a newborn daughter, Catherine.

tomder55
Sep 26, 2013, 07:10 AM
Hello again,

News ALERT!

Harry Reid is gonna let the Republicans EXPLODE on their own accord. He sent the bill back to the House a day earlier than expected so that Boehner has time to send a bill back that funds the ENTIRE government...

They're gonna kick the can down the road to the debt limit debate, where the ramifications of a default are MUCH greater than a simple government shutdown...

I predict that you'll get your way. The government WILL default.

excon

That falls right in line with the plan. Did Reid allow amendments to bring spending back to pre-sequester levels ? No . So the base line for the budget is now sequester levels . Mission accomplished .

The debt ceiling is another battle .The emperor voted against raising the debt ceiling in 2006 . So his rhetoric on it today rings hollow.

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 07:14 AM
Who are those little girls? In 2012, The Cruzes had a three-year-old daughter, Caroline, and a newborn daughter, Catherine.

Really? You're questioning if those are really his kids? I think Cruz' chief strategist would know if they were his daughters and they look like the right age to me. Parts of 2012 were almost 2 years ag, the youngest should certainly be walking and recognizing her daddy on TV.

tomder55
Sep 26, 2013, 07:14 AM
I agree and many on the left do too, UNIVERSAL Health Care!!!!!!!!!!! Wish you had of said that before this whole thing started.

And since McCain just won his seat again, being primaried is a pipe dream.

You misread me. The people howling the loudest isn't the right.. it's the Obots who did not get those exemptions (like the unions) . The Repubics don't have the votes to defund. So like it or not we will have to eat this cr@p sandwich for at least a year. But that doesn't mean that the provisions of the law need to remain in tack . I am actually for a 1 year delay until after the 2014 elections . But barring that ,just work to end all the exemptions and let all the people have a taste of the sandwich.

NeedKarma
Sep 26, 2013, 07:21 AM
"how fortunate that cruz's chief strategist is hanging out at the cruz home at cruz's kiddies' bedtime... did he give them a kiss goodnite, too"

LOL

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 07:49 AM
"how fortunate that cruz's chief strategist is hanging out at the cruz home at cruz's kiddies' bedtime... did he give them a kiss goodnite, too"

LOL

I have no words for how pathetic that is.

Wondergirl
Sep 26, 2013, 07:51 AM
Really? You're questioning if those are really his kids? I think Cruz' chief strategist would know if they were his daughters and they look like the right age to me. Parts of 2012 were almost 2 years ag, the youngest should certainly be walking and recognizing her daddy on TV.
Cruz's birthday is Dec. 22 (1970). The website said he is 42, so the site was saying he had already had his birthday -- so it was the very end of 2012 or early 2013. The newborn would have hardly been walking by the time he was filibustering this week..

Ted Cruz, Currently Elected U.S. Senate, Texas (http://vote-tx.org/intro.aspx?state=tx&id=txcruzted)

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 08:01 AM
LOL, now we have a new Cruz birther scandal, his kids are imposters! This is a riot.

Sorry, but those certainly look like his kids to me, a little girl grows a lot between election day and September.

http://www.csmonitor.com/var/ezflow_site/storage/images/media/content/2012/0801-ted-cruz-texas-senate-race/13330870-2-eng-US/0801-ted-cruz-Texas-Senate-Race_full_600.jpg

Wondergirl
Sep 26, 2013, 08:03 AM
LOL, now we have a new Cruz birther scandal, his kids are imposters! This is a riot.
Hey! I have to keep up with the Tea Partiers and their insanity.

NeedKarma
Sep 26, 2013, 08:06 AM
What was the chief strategist doing at their house? At bedtime?

talaniman
Sep 26, 2013, 08:10 AM
QUOTE by tomder55;
You misread me. The people howling the loudest isn't the right.. it's the Obots who did not get those exemptions (like the unions) .

The difference between the right wing and the unions, is the unions are at the table negotiating TWEAKS, and you guys are squealing repeal, with no replacement.


The Repubics don't have the votes to defund. So like it or not we will have to eat this cr@p sandwich for at least a year. But that doesn't mean that the provisions of the law need to remain in tack

Call me in a year then, when you guys have thought about a better idea.


I am actually for a 1 year delay until after the 2014 elections .

I don't think so. Why delay the inevitable because you HOPE you will have more votes? Why would we agree to that, and to be clear, we don't.


But barring that ,just work to end all the exemptions and let all the people have a taste of the sandwich.

UNIVERSAL Health Care. I fully agree with that, and I didn't think I misread you.

Wondergirl
Sep 26, 2013, 08:14 AM
I don't know if Cruz took a potty break
I'm guessing he did a Wendy Davis move.

tomder55
Sep 26, 2013, 08:25 AM
The difference between the right wing and the unions, is the unions are at the table negotiating TWEAKS, and you guys are squealing repeal, with no replacement.



Call me in a year then, when you guys have thought about a better idea.



I don't think so. Why delay the inevitable because you HOPE you will have more votes? Why would we agree to that, and to be clear, we don't.



UNIVERSAL Health Care. I fully agree with that, and I didn't think I misread you.

No because my solution would not be universal health care .it would be more in line with private exchanges similar to what Walgreens,Sears ,and Darden Restaurants are doing .

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 08:25 AM
What was the chief strategist doing at their house? At bedtime?

You don't have people over? You think it odd that his chief strategist would be watching his boss on TV with the family? Really? I'm sure a Democrat would never take advantage of a photo op like that.

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 08:27 AM
I'm guessing he did a Wendy Davis move.

Wendy is in for a rough time, her out of state supporters can't vote for her. Hopefully.

tomder55
Sep 26, 2013, 08:27 AM
They tried this "that's not your child " ploy on Palin too.

tomder55
Sep 26, 2013, 08:28 AM
I'm guessing he did a Wendy Davis move.

How many hours was her 'filibuster ' ?

Wondergirl
Sep 26, 2013, 08:29 AM
how many hours was her 'filibuster ' ?
Doesn't matter.

NeedKarma
Sep 26, 2013, 08:55 AM
I'm sure a Democrat would never take advantage of a photo op like that.I guess photo ops are OK now... but not when Obama does it. Hard to keep track.

excon
Sep 26, 2013, 09:06 AM
Hello again, tom:

how many hours was her 'filibuster ' ?Long enough to ACCOMPLISH her objective...

How long was Cruz's? How long would it have to be in order achieve an UN-achievable objective, or NO objective at all? I can't tell yet exactly what he was trying to achieve.

Excon

speechlesstx
Sep 26, 2013, 09:06 AM
I guess photo ops are ok now...but not when Obama does it. Hard to keep track.

I have nothing against photo ops for Obama, some of them are really good for a laugh. You can get one with him, for a fee. My issue with him his some of his photo props.

But come on, it was his little girls watching him read Dr. Seuss, it was adorable. They wouldn't pick on Obama's kids that way.

speechlesstx
Sep 27, 2013, 07:28 AM
The filibuster hero has even bigger plans. No not Cruz, Wendy Davis.

Wendy Davis tells Democrats she’s in
(http://www.politico.com/story/2013/09/wendy-davis-texas-2014-97410.html?hp=l2)

This should be fun, I'll enjoy watching Greg Abbott waging war on this woman.

NeedKarma
Sep 27, 2013, 08:04 AM
Ted Cruz accomplished his main goal for sure: enriching the coffers of Ted Cruz.

speechlesstx
Sep 27, 2013, 08:12 AM
Ted Cruz accomplished his main goal for sure: enriching the coffers of Ted Cruz.

So it was all about money for Ted, eh? Good thing Democrats are above the fray where that's concerned.

NeedKarma
Sep 27, 2013, 08:23 AM
I don't understand your point. If one person does something wrong then it's open season to do that thing?

speechlesstx
Sep 27, 2013, 08:51 AM
I don't understand your point. If one person does something wrong then it's open season to do that thing?

Lol, I have no idea how you could possibly think that was the point. I realize sarcasm is difficult, but think about it.

NeedKarma
Sep 27, 2013, 08:54 AM
Explain your point to me please.

speechlesstx
Sep 27, 2013, 09:08 AM
A question, followed by sarcasm. Figure it out.

NeedKarma
Sep 27, 2013, 09:34 AM
That's what you and smoothy always seem to say. Oh well.

speechlesstx
Sep 27, 2013, 10:22 AM
It wasn't that difficult to comprehend and I don't "always seem to" or in fact ever do what Smoothy does. Do not lump me in with anyone else.

tomder55
Sep 29, 2013, 02:35 AM
"If there's a government shut down,
who will spy on me,
waste my money
block responsible resource development
borrow more money from foreign countries to give to foreign countries
mortgage my kids' future to bail out their friends on Wall Street & finance their big government crony capitalism
misplace" IRS receipts and ledgers to the tune of tens of millions
Stockpile ammo at DHS
Commandeer pro athletes to testify in front of Congress while watching bureaucrats plead the Fifth??

NeedKarma
Sep 29, 2013, 03:07 AM
That's true regardless of what party is in office... now what do you do?

tomder55
Sep 29, 2013, 04:42 AM
And ? I don't defend the Republic statists ?

NeedKarma
Sep 29, 2013, 06:13 AM
What's a "rebupic"?

NeedKarma
Sep 29, 2013, 06:15 AM
Never mind, got it: Urban Dictionary: repubic (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=repubic)

That really makes you even handed... NOT! LOL!

paraclete
Sep 29, 2013, 07:05 AM
Really I just thought it was someone who was up himself, lot of it about

talaniman
Sep 29, 2013, 07:22 AM
The republican house is taking it's marching orders from Sen. Ted Cruz, the new president of the TParty. He and his Director of public relations Rush Limbaugh vow to continue to lie to the public, and supply all the red meat the right wing can handle.

tomder55
Sep 29, 2013, 08:03 AM
the new president of the TParty
Naaahh... that would still be Jim DeMint

talaniman
Sep 29, 2013, 08:15 AM
So Cruz is a DeMint puppet? DeMint is a Koch brothers puppet. Is this not crony capitalism on your side? How is it better than our crony capitalism?

tomder55
Sep 29, 2013, 08:34 AM
Here is a list of the top corporate donors... The Koch Bros. are on the list... But they aren't in the 50 top corporate donors.
Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2012 | OpenSecrets (http://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/list.php)
It amazes me how the left demonizes the Koch Bros when the largest percentage of corporate $$$ goes into Democrat bank accounts . DeMint and Cruz are not fans of cronyism . And at least the Koch brothers donate their own money... not like the unions who make donations from rank and file dues.

Also of note... that evil News Corp,parent company of FOX News gave a majority of their donations to Democrats. What does that tell you ?

talaniman
Sep 29, 2013, 08:44 AM
Even YOU guys don't like your guys. Whose fault is that?

speechlesstx
Sep 30, 2013, 06:19 AM
Even YOU guys don't like your guys. Whose fault is that?

And you like all of yours?

talaniman
Sep 30, 2013, 07:41 AM
The ones I vote for and give money and time to.

speechlesstx
Sep 30, 2013, 07:45 AM
The ones I vote for and give money and time to.

In other words, the answer to my question is no, you don't like all of your guys either.

talaniman
Sep 30, 2013, 08:30 AM
Hey don't make this about me and what I do. My statement was about what Tom posted. Seems to me your growing minority future ain't sitting well with you TParty types, who are failing to attract those who want government to work for all of us.

You would rather holler, squeal, and obstruct, and destroy, than MAKE it work. You can't work with your fellow republicans who want to work with democrats and find middle of the road solutions to self inflicted problems. And Ted Cruz is the new messiah to deliver for you.

The goal is to destroy our government, and that's pretty selfish of you.

speechlesstx
Sep 30, 2013, 08:51 AM
Hey don't make this about me and what I do.

You're the one who said we don't like our own guys, I'm just pointing out neither do you.-And if I were you I'd cut the "we just want to make it work" nonsense. The president won't talk to Republicans but he will talk to Iran. Reid pronounces everything the GOP does DOA - even if some Dems support it - and your idea of "live and let live" is in practice, "you'll do as I say and like it."

Wondergirl
Sep 30, 2013, 08:53 AM
The president won't talk to Republicans
He had invited them to talk with him about the ACA during its planning, but they refused and said they would stop at nothing to get him out of the WH. NOW they want to talk?

speechlesstx
Sep 30, 2013, 09:13 AM
He had invited them to talk with him about the ACA during its planning, but they refused and said they would stop at nothing to get him out of the WH. NOW they want to talk?

When was that, right after he said "I won?" After he mobilized his snitch patrol? Some of us remember the facts (https://www.askmehelpdesk.com/3560654-post63.html) quite differently.

tomder55
Sep 30, 2013, 09:21 AM
He had invited them to talk with him about the ACA during its planning, but they refused and said they would stop at nothing to get him out of the WH. NOW they want to talk?

Not true . They were shut out of all the substansive meetings when the law was crafted . 45 separate Repub amendments were rejected out of hand without debate or a floor vote.

talaniman
Sep 30, 2013, 09:23 AM
Your facts are incomplete, While some amendments were rejected, many more were adopted.

Republican Ideas Included in the President's Proposal | The White House (http://www.whitehouse.gov/health-care-meeting/republican-ideas)


Review a few of the Republican initiatives included in legislation passed by Congress:
•Includes personal responsibility incentives: Allows health insurance premium to vary based on participation in proven employer wellness programs
◦(Sources: H.R. 3468, “Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act” (Castle bill); H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill), "Coverage, Prevention and Reform Act")
•Advances medical liability reform through grants to States: Provides grants to States to jump-start and evaluate promising medical liability reform ideas to put patient safety first, prevent medical errors, and reduce liability premiums.
◦(Sources: S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill); H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America's Future Act” (Ryan bill); S. 1099, “Patients' Choice Act” (Burr-Coburn, Ryan-Nunes bill))
•Extends dependent coverage to age 26: Gives young adults new options.
◦(Sources: H.R. 4038, “Common Sense Health Care Reform & Accountability Act” (Republican Substitute bill); H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act” (Kirk bill))
•Allows automatic enrollment by employers in health insurance: Allows employee to opt-out.
◦(Sources: House Republican Substitute; H.R. 3400, “Empowering Patients First Act” (Republican Study Committee bill); “Coverage, Prevention, and Reform Act” )
•Mechanisms to improve quality.
◦(Sources: H.R. 4529, “Roadmap for America's Future Act;” S. 1099, “Patients' Choice Act;” H.R. 3400, Republican Study Group bill; S. 1783, “Ten Steps to Transform Health Care in America Act” (Enzi bill))
•Community Mental Health Centers. The President's Proposal ensures that individuals have access to comprehensive mental health services in the community setting, but strengthens standards for facilities that seek reimbursement as community mental health centers by ensuring these facilities are providing appropriate care and not taking advantage of Medicare patients or the taxpayers.
◦(Source: H.R. 3970, “Medical Rights & Reform Act”)

tomder55
Sep 30, 2013, 09:45 AM
Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act of 2009 (2009; 111th Congress H.R. 3468) - GovTrack.us (http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/hr3468)

H.R. 3468 (111th): Promoting Health and Preventing Chronic Disease through Prevention and Wellness Programs for... Employees, Communities, and Individuals Act of 2009
Introduced:Jul 31, 2009 (111th Congress, 2009–2010)Sponsor:Rep. Michael Castle [R-DE0]Status: Died (Referred to Committee)

I won't bother fact checking the rest of the emperor's lies .

talaniman
Sep 30, 2013, 09:51 AM
It made its way into the ACA. How did that happen?

tomder55
Sep 30, 2013, 10:01 AM
I'm sure that in the 2000 pages of the law there are some provisions that once the emperor's flunkies searched long and hard enough had some simularities to previous Republic bills. There were SPECIFIC amendments that were introduced by Repubics that were ignore and dismissed out of hand without consideration or debate . That is just the facts . The Repubs were shut out of the crafting of the legislation... something LBJ NEVER would have permitted to happen.

NeedKarma
Sep 30, 2013, 10:16 AM
Who cares what LBJ would have done.

tomder55
Sep 30, 2013, 10:25 AM
Well that was a time when the Dems had all the power ,and still had the courtesy to make major sea-change legislations bi-partisan. All LBJ did was get entitlement and civil rights legislation passed with Republic support .

NeedKarma
Sep 30, 2013, 10:26 AM
Times have changed. People are partisan fanatics and divisiveness is the order of the day - bringing the other person down. No pubics required.

tomder55
Sep 30, 2013, 10:33 AM
Nahh our politics was always divided . Leaders have always overcome that... even Clintoon

speechlesstx
Sep 30, 2013, 10:46 AM
nahh our politics was always divided . Leaders have always overcome that....even Clintoon

Even Bush.

talaniman
Sep 30, 2013, 10:48 AM
Don't Hold Your Breath For A Budget: House, Senate Aren't Even Trying To Reconcile Bills - Forbes (http://www.forbes.com/sites/beltway/2013/03/25/dont-hold-your-breath-for-a-budget-house-senate-arent-even-trying-to-reconcile-bills/)


But House Republicans have not budged. And as long as their position is that no tax increase of any size under any circumstance is acceptable, there will be no final budget resolution for 2014. At the moment, neither House nor Senate leaders plan to even try to reconcile the two budgets.

And without a compromise resolution, it is hard to image that either the House Ways & Means Committee or the Senate Finance Committee would propose a tax reform bill—even though both budget bills contemplate major reductions in tax preferences.

The important fact here is the date, 3/25/2013 @ 3:28PM. Now you want a debate when 8months were squandered? A clean bill, and we keep squandering if that's what you want.

tomder55
Sep 30, 2013, 10:56 AM
Even Bush.

Yup he worked with Ted Kennedy on some of the swimmer's signature legislations.

excon
Oct 10, 2013, 09:14 AM
Hello again,
Is he going to be our next president?Nahhhh.. He crashed and burned..

No?

Excon

talaniman
Oct 10, 2013, 09:43 AM
He's president of the TParty... sort of!!

tomder55
Oct 10, 2013, 10:03 AM
Only when liberal Democrats select the Republican nominee should Republicans care what the liberal Democrats think.

talaniman
Oct 10, 2013, 10:25 AM
Hope the next republican presidential nomination is as big a hit as the last one.

tomder55
Oct 10, 2013, 10:53 AM
That's because the Repubics have the mistake of holding open primaries. Too many Dems selected him . Show me how many of the conservatives on this forum had him as their top choice. Answer.. nada .

speechlesstx
Oct 11, 2013, 11:01 AM
I like Cruz, he has a big set of cajones and handles himself well. He was heckled, first by Harry Reid which he also handled well, but apparently some hopeychangey civilized Obots heckled him at an appearance.

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In response to one heckler, Cruz said: “Thank you, sir, for being here. You know, look, it is a great thing that people can express their First Amendment rights. And I only wish the Obama administration respected First Amendment rights that much.”

To another heckler, Cruz responded: “Ma’am, thank you for being here. I wish you would participate in the democratic process through speaking respectfully. … It seems that President Obama’s paid political operatives are out in force today. And you know why? Because the men and women in this room scare the living daylights out of them.”

Interrupted again, Cruz took aim at the president: “You know what? I’m curious. Is anybody left at the Organizing for America headquarters? I’m actually glad that the president’s whole political staff is here instead of actually doing mischief in the country.”

When another heckler yelled out a question, Cruz responded: “You know what’s striking, actually? In the course of this brief speech, we’ve heard more questions than President Obama has allowed in the last year.”

The heckling then led Cruz to “make an offer” to Obama. “I would welcome the president, if he wants to get a hundred of his most rabid political operative in a room, I’ll answer their questions on television as long as he likes. And in exchange, all that I would ask, Mr. President, is you take not a hundred, but ten of the men and women in this room, and spend 30 minutes answering their questions for the American people.”

To another liberal activist, Cruz responded: “Oh, they don’t want the truth to be heard. They definitely don’t want the truth to be heard.”

talaniman
Oct 11, 2013, 11:12 AM
Tparty types love their meat red and raw. But it doesn't show cajones to stand in front of right wing audience and talk right wing politics.

If he went on hardball and gave Chris Mathews a tingle up his other leg then THAT would show cajones.

speechlesstx
Oct 11, 2013, 11:32 AM
Wow, you have everything bass ackwards this week. It takes cajones to buck the good 'ol boy DC ways, it doesn't take cajones to harass and heckle from the crowd- that's called cowardice.

NeedKarma
Oct 11, 2013, 04:33 PM
it doesn't take cajones to harass and heckle from the crowd- that's called cowardice.This happens everyday here from the righties... but you're too fanatical to see it.

talaniman
Oct 11, 2013, 07:19 PM
That's a good point NK, because I don't remember you saying anything when the Prez gets heckled, not even by a congressman during an address.

tomder55
Oct 12, 2013, 02:12 AM
The emperor was lying and deserved to be called out .of course the Canadians are always civil in debate so NK speaks from a higher loft .
Parliament Fight Canadian House of Commons - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbzcXg7zhPk)

NeedKarma
Oct 12, 2013, 03:20 AM
Harper is a conservative a$$ who will be voted out.
My statement was referring to the hypocrisy of steve's statement in this forum... That's what "here" meant in my post.
Just like you calling Rachel Maddow "madcow". Even my 8 year old doesn't do that.

tomder55
Oct 12, 2013, 03:38 AM
Just like you calling Rachel Maddow "madcow". hey ,if the shoe fits ,wear it .

speechlesstx
Oct 12, 2013, 05:18 AM
This happens everyday here from the righties...but you're too fanatical to see it.

Dude, considering your unhealthy obsession with me I don't think you have any room to be talking about fanaticism.

NeedKarma
Oct 12, 2013, 06:01 AM
your unhealthy obsession with me
You respond to my every post - who's obsessed again?

speechlesstx
Oct 12, 2013, 06:09 AM
you respond to my every post - who's obsessed again?

That's easily proven wrong, but you obviously aren't smart enough to figure that out on your own.

excon
Oct 12, 2013, 06:26 AM
Hello again,

I think the Tea Party WILL split off from the GOP and form a 3rd party with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee as their leaders.

They really thought they could defund Obamacare, and they're really pissed at the GOP for not sticking with them.

excon

NeedKarma
Oct 12, 2013, 06:57 AM
Speech - I am so glad I am not like you. The end.

tomder55
Oct 12, 2013, 12:16 PM
Hello again,

I think the Tea Party WILL split off from the GOP and form a 3rd party with Ted Cruz and Mike Lee as their leaders.

They really thought they could defund Obamacare, and they're really pissed at the GOP for not sticking with them.

excon
Possibly . The Whigs gave birth to the Republicans... who split from them... and the Whigs eventually died leaving the 2 party system intact . Or you could have another version of 1976-1980 where conservatives took the party from the beltway Repubics . That's the version I would prefer . But either way works for me because the Repubics today are nothing more than statists ,barely different from the Dems.

tomder55
Oct 12, 2013, 02:30 PM
By the way .Steve Lonegan ,former Mayor of Bogota, New Jersey ,and NJ director of Americans for Prosperity has a legit chance of winning the NJ Senate seat formerly held by Dem Frank Lautenberg . His opponent is Newark Mayor Cory Booker. He has this chance despite the best efforts of RINO Governor Chris Christie ;who was too afraid to have Corey Booker on the same ballot as Christie lest his reelection #s get diluted .

So instead of having the Republican nominee grab onto his coat tails in November ,he decided to hold a special election this month for the Senate seat... strapping the people of NJ with the cost of 2 state wide elections in a month.

The race right now is real close ;and it may be that Christie's coat tails would've been the difference. But Christie is about Christie .

tomder55
Oct 12, 2013, 03:37 PM
Conservatives got in line when the party nominated McCain and Romney even though they were far from the ideal choice of the conservatives.
But when the reverse is the case... as in NJ ,or now in Va. The weasel Rockefeller Repubics go out of their way to undermine the conservative nominee.
In Va . Ken Cuccinelli won the nomination against "moderate " Lieutenant Governor Bill Bolling. Bolling has refused to endorse Cucinelli, and I'm hearing he's going to endorse \ Democrat Terry McAuliffe instead of his party nominee.

Here in NY we have Peter King going insane in his condemnation of Cruz and Rand Paul. Enough!! Let the Repubics go into the trash heap of history . They have stopped being an opposition party and instead play the role of jester foils. Here in NY they intentionally lose elections and have done so for years. NYC is about to elect a commie mayor who worked for the Sandanistas and is a Castro sympathizer . The Repubics picked a Tammany Hall insider to run against him.

talaniman
Oct 12, 2013, 03:43 PM
They can't be to bad if they shutdown the US government.

speechlesstx
Oct 14, 2013, 02:22 PM
btw .Steve Lonegan ,former Mayor of Bogota, New Jersey ,and NJ director of Americans for Prosperity has a legit chance of winning the NJ Senate seat formerly held by Dem Frank Lautenberg . His opponent is Newark Mayor Cory Booker. He has this chance despite the best efforts of RINO Governor Chris Christie ;who was too afraid to have Corey Booker on the same ballot as Christie lest his reelection #s get diluted .

So instead of having the Republican nominee grab onto his coat tails in November ,he decided to hold a special election this month for the Senate seat.....strapping the people of NJ with the cost of 2 state wide elections in a month.

The race right now is real close ;and it may be that Christie's coat tails would've been the difference. But Christie is about Christie .

Booker's "neighbors" haven't been able to find him in years (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/14/neighbors-cory-booker-never-lived-in-newark/) apparently.


Booker, who filed to run for the U.S. Senate from a P.O. Box in Newark, is registered to vote at 435 Hawthorne Avenue but his next door neighbors told this reporter and filmmaker Joel Gilbert on camera that they haven't seen Booker in years and that he doesn't live there.

“Does he still live here?” Gilbert asked Booker's neighbor, Tashay Thomas.

“He never did,” she replied. “His security guards live here.”

Why did he claim to live there while sending police to be quartered in a private home?

“Because he is a liar.” Thomas replied.

Thomas yelled out to someone across the street: “They're looking for that fake mayor who says he live here. He does not live here!”

“Cory Booker don't live here,” said James Sharp, another neighbor. “Only his bodyguards live here.”

Why did he tell people he lived here? asked Gilbert.

“So that he could keep telling people he did stuff but he is not doing anything. A lot of people getting killed and he's supposed stop the violence but he don't.”

Maybe they can't find him because he's one of those corrupt elite posers our liberal friends despise.

Elites' deplorable double-standard on corruption - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/13/elites_deplorable_double_standard_on_corruption/)

Tuttyd
Oct 15, 2013, 03:01 AM
Booker's "neighbors" haven't been able to find him in years (http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/14/neighbors-cory-booker-never-lived-in-newark/) apparently.



Maybe they can't find him because he's one of those corrupt elite posers our liberal friends despise.

Elites' deplorable double-standard on corruption - Salon.com (http://www.salon.com/2013/08/13/elites_deplorable_double_standard_on_corruption/)


He certainly has the right academic qualifications to be part of the ruling elite. The same type of qualifications that are found on the other sides of politics as well,

tomder55
Oct 15, 2013, 03:35 AM
Here in NY we are used to having absentee representatives... especially Senators ,some of whom never lived in the State until the day they took up permanent residency in an unoccupied hotel room... Booker should feel right at home in the Senate where residency in the state you represent is optional.
That being said... I don't think there is enough confirmation of this story .

excon
Oct 19, 2013, 07:05 AM
Hello again,

So, did Ted Cruz do this for the benefit of the country, or for the benefit of Ted Cruz?

excon

talaniman
Oct 19, 2013, 07:09 AM
Hello again,

So, did Ted Cruz do this for the benefit of the country, or for the benefit of Ted Cruz?

excon

Same as Palin. And DeMint for that matter.

tomder55
Oct 19, 2013, 03:14 PM
Cruz is a principled conservative who did exactly what he said he'd do when he ran for office. That makes him unique in DC

paraclete
Oct 19, 2013, 03:52 PM
OH please!